State of the Union facts to consider. Is this the right direction?

[skullbone]

[JBJF]

I'm sure the Democratic Conference can produce a chart that shows the exact opposite. All politicians are bogus.

[StompGrind]

President Obama's State of the Union Address

 

 

We're ****ed

[skullbone]

Nope. Not one that's even remotely accurate. These are pretty solid numbers. Honestly I'd say the unemployed number is more than generous. I figure it's around 25 million if you count those who have maxed out benefit terms and the underemployed. Check the numbers and decide what's real for yourself. We also just slid down the freedom index scale to number 10. All politicians are not the same. They may have some things in common but they can be as different as right and wrong.

[Kevbo_Jones]

Their both gangs looking to sling mud at each other. I know you probably have issues with Obama. As do I, but please don't tell me you buy into the crap the ReBLOODicans say anymore than you don't buy into what the DemoCRIPS say...

[KINGnoob]

The real sad thing is its clear Obamas record is ****, yet people still rather have him than Romney. You know Obama is failing, and yet we still wont fire the guy. Its actually insane.

[waikru]

As with everything coming from extremists, this chart is not telling the entire story.

 

 

All of the jobs lost were from his first year due to an economic downfall precipitated during the Bush years. After his first year there has been nonstop growth in empoyment. This effectively makes 90% of the criticism aimed at Obama from this chart false unless you believe the President can magically control employment in his first six months to a year in office.

[waikru]

[juice64011]

As with everything coming from extremists' date=' this chart is not telling the entire story.

 

[img']http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/liberal-total-private-jobs-worldview-april-2012-data.jpg?w=640[/img]

 

All of the jobs lost were from his first year due to an economic downfall precipitated during the Bush years. After his first year there has been nonstop growth in empoyment. This effectively makes 90% of the criticism aimed at Obama from this chart false unless you believe the President can magically control employment in his first six months to a year in office.

 

This is not correct either.

[waikru]

This is not correct either.

 

The employment rate started to decline duringthe Bush years. What part of that statement is false?

[PRIDEneverDIED]

President Obama's State of the Union Address

 

 

We're ****ed

 

that gif is so much win....who cares about numbers and charts and all that....this gif is all that matters in this thread so far :cool:

[juice64011]

The employment rate started to decline duringthe Bush years. What part of that statement is false?

 

That there has been nonstop growth since then.

[waikru]

That there has been nonstop growth since then.

 

Refer back to the employment chart and show me where employment took a downturn.

[KINGnoob]

Refer back to the employment chart and show me where employment took a downturn.

 

Ive said this on other posts but its about getting a sense of proportion. If you look at dollars spent per new job you get astronomically gross numbers. Like 1 job per million. Its ridiculous. On top of that Obama has even said he didnt get as many new jobs as he thought he would.

 

And yea I think your chart is both misleading and fake.

[brewster]

American's are fun to watch when they discuss politics, you all get so defensive.

[waikru]

Ive said this on other posts but its about getting a sense of proportion. If you look at dollars spent per new job you get astronomically gross numbers. Like 1 job per million. Its ridiculous. On top of that Obama has even said he didnt get as many new jobs as he thought he would.

 

And yea I think your chart is both misleading and fake.

 

The chart is easy to access on the net and is derived from unemployment numbers from the state. Furthermore, a person builds and loses credibility on the basis of proving statements. If you claim my chart is fake, then provide proof for your assertion. If not, your just talking out of your *** as usual. Now go back to your FOX news and allow the adults to talk in peace.

[KINGnoob]

The chart is easy to access on the net and is derived from unemployment numbers from the state. Furthermore' date=' a person builds and loses credibility on the basis of proving statements. If you claim my chart is fake, then provide proof for your assertion. If not, your just talking out of your *** as usual. Now go back to your FOX news and allow the adults to talk in peace.[/quote']

 

Its funny you think anyone that is to the right is a fox news guy. I hardly ever get a chance to watch tv. I actually think i would watch msnbc so i could yell at the screen more. It would be more fun.

[Kevbo_Jones]

Its funny you think anyone that is to the right is a fox news guy. I hardly ever get a chance to watch tv. I actually think i would watch msnbc so i could yell at the screen more. It would be more fun.

 

You've proven time and again that you have gross leanings towards the republican side. He's not that far off base with his assessment.

[skullbone]

 

Why was everybody here so mad when gas was high under the last president, but now nobody notices? It lead the news every other day. The other days were reports of how many soldiers were killed or how bad it was in the Middle East. Now it's all rosey no matter what happens. Sheesh.

 

 

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=60&units=us

 

You may have to click the 5 year option above the chart. Sometimes it pops up only 2012.

[skullbone]

Those other charts are weird. Since when did the Bureaut of Labor Statistics start comparing numbers by named Presidents? They would be the correct "state stat source."Doesn't look like their stuff. Usually it goes by date only. Hmmm. Anybody unconvinced that there are fewer people in America working today than when president Obama was inauguarted should look at the black and white numbers from this link to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. These are benchmarks so 2012 isn't included, but this year hasn't been any better for total number of workers. It's been worse.

 

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaes.txt

[waikru]

 

Why was everybody here so mad when gas was high under the last president' date=' but now nobody notices? It lead the news every other day. The other days were reports of how many soldiers were killed or how bad it was in the Middle East. Now it's all rosey no matter what happens. Sheesh.[/quote']

 

Its because gas imports are the lowest in decades. The price of oil going up more revolves around the increased fuel demands of emerging economic powers like China and India.

 

 

I completely agree with the war stuff. Liberals seem to be OK with war as long as the wars are being fought by a Democrat.

 

[skullbone]

Our dependence on foreign oil declined slightly because the economy tanked. The only American oil production is due to PRIVATE recovery efforts in spite of Obama policy and wishes so that's not to his credit. The price is high now no matter what charts from the whitehouse you post. It will continue to rise because Obama has the FED treasury printing made up money to stall the economic nightmare from occuring before election time. Inflation is immediate with OPEC. That's why it's steadily been high here instead of the usual ebs and flows of high and low.

[Wirerat]

Our dependence on foreign oil declined slightly because the economy tanked. The only American oil production is due to PRIVATE recovery efforts in spite of Obama policy and wishes. The price is high now no matter what charts from the whitehouse you post. It will continue to rise because Obama has the FED treasury printing made up money to stall the economic nightmare from occuring before election time. Inflation is immediate with OPEC. That's why it's steadily been high here instead of the usual ebs and flows of high and low.

 

The dollar is due to tank any day now. Obama will be lucky he'll make it to election time, but his true colors and the effect he's had on the US economy will start rearing it's ugly head within the next 18 months with a vengeance.

[skullbone]

The dollar is due to tank any day now. Obama will be lucky he'll make it to election time' date=' but his true colors and the effect he's had on the US economy will start rearing it's ugly head within the next 18 months with a vengeance.[/quote']

 

I agree. It's scary stuff.

[Wirerat]

I agree. It's scary stuff.

 

I'm not scared at all, it's about the only thing that can happen that will pop the American populations head out of it's ***. It'll be a good thing in the long run.

[skullbone]

That's a positive way of looking at it I suppose. It's a shame it's come to this though.

[waikru]

Our dependence on foreign oil declined slightly because the economy tanked. The only American oil production is due to PRIVATE recovery efforts in spite of Obama policy and wishes so that's not to his credit. The price is high now no matter what charts from the whitehouse you post. It will continue to rise because Obama has the FED treasury printing made up money to stall the economic nightmare from occuring before election time. Inflation is immediate with OPEC. That's why it's steadily been high here instead of the usual ebs and flows of high and low.

 

 

It has nothing to do with the United States producing more oil than it has in eight years.

 

Barrels of Oil Produced in the USA

 

2004: 1,983,302,000

2005: 1,890,106,000

2006: 1,862,259,000

2007: 1,848,450,000

2008: 1,811,817,000

2009: 1,956,596,000

2010: 2,000,521,000

2011: 2,065,366,000

[skullbone]

It has nothing to do with the United States producing more oil than it has in eight years.

 

Barrels of Oil Produced in the USA

 

2004: 1' date='983,302,000

2005: 1,890,106,000

2006: 1,862,259,000

2007: 1,848,450,000

2008: 1,811,817,000

2009: 1,956,596,000

2010: 2,000,521,000

2011: 2,065,366,000[/quote']

 

Obama says it does and takes credit although it's exclusively from private efforts against his wishes. So are you admitting he's lying?

[Pigs-On-The-Wing]

I'm not scared at all' date=' it's about the only thing that can happen that [b']will pop the American populations head out of it's ***. It'll be a good thing in the long run.[/b]

good luck with that, everyone is too caught up with reality shows and media.

[waikru]

Obama says it does and takes credit although it's exclusively from private efforts against his wishes. So are you admitting he's lying?

 

I am saying that during his administration there has been an increase in oil production and a decrease in oil imports. And since business and government are not mutually exclusive as you appear to be asserting, Obama does deserve at least some credit.

[skullbone]

I am saying that during his administration there has been an increase in oil production and a decrease in oil imports. And since business and government are not mutually exclusive as you appear to be asserting' date=' Obama does deserve at least some credit.[/quote']

 

Here's the credit he'll get from me: jack and ****. He was great at doing that. How can a guy who suspended American oil drilling the same week he oks funding and drilling for Brazil oil company Pertobas in the same spot assume credit? Disgusting honestly. Obama is anti fossil fuels.

[Kevbo_Jones]

It has nothing to do with the United States producing more oil than it has in eight years.

 

Barrels of Oil Produced in the USA

 

2004: 1' date='983,302,000

2005: 1,890,106,000

2006: 1,862,259,000

2007: 1,848,450,000

2008: 1,811,817,000

2009: 1,956,596,000

2010: 2,000,521,000

2011: 2,065,366,000[/quote']

 

Although I agree with your sentiment that the US has further distanced itself from foreign oil dependancy under the Obama administration, your numbers are grossly under represented. I happen to work in the oil industry and 2,000,000,000 barrels in a year is chump change considering the actual average was about 6,500,000 bbls A DAY! It is estimated that North American oil production(read: Canada and the US) will reach the highest production of all time by 2016. Don't believe the naysayers and Rightwing nut jobs. It's just more fear tactics that the Right are using to garner extra votes.

 

The actual number is closer to 2,372,500,000 annually.

 

 

He(Obama) has also made a huge push to utilize Liquid Natural Gas, which has been dubbed "the way of the future" by many in the industry. Everything from power plants to cars are in the works using this abundant natural resource that was previously, and very stupidily, burned off as waste when harvesting other forms of fossil fuels.

 

In summation, Obama is clearly not "anti fossil fuels." He is trying to bring the production side of the industry back to the US and getting us the hell out of the Middle East. He has done a lot that was wrong and a lot that I don't agree with, but the people arguing for the Red side in this discussion are misinformed. It is one of the very few things he has actually done right.