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Apple sucks.

 

You're right...I'd much rather use a big clumpy PC that gets viruses everyday..

 

Microsoft is so crappy. They remind me of that old guy in the room that always says, ?Back in my day?? I can?t stand people/businesses who insist on keeping things ?business as usual.? They never progress or move forward. It?s classic Corporate America and it?s lame.

 

For the longest time I tried so hard to stick it out with Microsoft and PC?s. I felt like the Apple?s of the world were just for zombified status-symbol loving freaks? And for many Apple people that?s exactly what they are. However, once you get beside that, Apple makes far superior products.

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You're right...I'd much rather use a big clumpy PC that gets viruses everyday..

Microsoft is so crappy. They remind me of that old guy in the room that always says' date=' “Back in my day…” I can’t stand people/businesses who insist on keeping things “business as usual.” They never progress or move forward. It’s classic Corporate America and it’s lame.

 

For the longest time I tried so hard to stick it out with Microsoft and PC’s. I felt like the Apple’s of the world were just for zombified status-symbol loving freaks… And for many Apple people that’s exactly what they are. However, once you get beside that, Apple makes far superior products.[/quote']

 

You don't get viruses if you don't visit sketchy sites... maybe clean up your browsing habits :D

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You don't get viruses if you don't visit sketchy sites... maybe clean up your browsing habits :D

 

Not true. You don't get viruses from just ****ography sites. That's a lie perpetuated by people who are scared of change...great change. I'm willing to bet you've never used an iPad or iPhone for long periods of time.

 

Let's be honest....people who are scared of or refuse to use Apple products are old, out of touch or just don't know better. My iPad is superior to my PC for my life. I can do everything and anything on my iPad that I could do on my PC more efficiently.

 

Btw...if I wanted to surf **** on my iPad...I don't have to,worry about viruses.

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Not true. You don't get viruses from just ****ography sites. That's a lie perpetuated by people who are scared of change...great change. I'm willing to bet you've never used an iPad or iPhone for long periods of time.

 

Let's be honest....people who are scared of or refuse to use Apple products are old' date=' out of touch or just don't know better. My iPad is superior to my PC for my life. I can do everything and anything on my iPad that I could do on my PC more efficiently.

 

Btw...if I wanted to surf **** on my iPad...I don't have to,worry about viruses.[/quote']

 

I've used PC's for a long time and never had problems with viruses. I've used iPhones and iPads and quite frankly I don't see anything special about them. But that's because I use my phone to call people and iPads are just stupid as it is. Who wants to carry that thing around?

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I've used PC's for a long time and never had problems with viruses. I've used iPhones and iPads and quite frankly I don't see anything special about them. But that's because I use my phone to call people and iPads are just stupid as it is. Who wants to carry that thing around?

 

Who wants to carry it around? How about someone who carries a lap top? It's smaller. Do you take pictures with your phone? Probably....but that's different, right? You're making it sound like a bad thing to be able to do multiple things with a phone? You're either jadded because you can't or refuse to pay for an iPhone or just getting old and senile.

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Who wants to carry it around? How about someone who carries a lap top? It's smaller. Do you take pictures with your phone? Probably....but that's different' date=' right? You're making it sound like a bad thing to be able to do multiple things with a phone? You're either jadded because you can't or refuse to pay for an iPhone or just getting old and senile.[/quote']

 

How am I making it look like it's bad that a phone can do multiple things? iPhones and iPads are overpriced for what they do.

 

Are you trying to validate your purchases of Apple's overpriced products by making other products look bad?

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How am I making it look like it's bad that a phone can do multiple things? iPhones and iPads are overpriced for what they do.

 

Are you trying to validate your purchases of Apple's overpriced products by making other products look bad?

 

Do you even know what they can do? Everything from take HD pictures, act like a Tom Tom for driving, I edit audio, broadcast, play games, surf the Internet, it's a kindle, I watch movies with Netflix, check my email, text, handle all my bills, I bank, get news updates, watch fights, listen to any radio station I want, check the weather anyplace on the planet, listen to any songs want, I can even turn my iPad into a phone with free service if I wanted, it's a baby monitor, read any magazine,I've turned it into a guitar amp, watch tv, face to face phone service like in the Jetsons, all my contacts, my calendar, my appointments, my entire life is all in one device and your asking me if that's worth $450.00 for the iPad and a $29.00 a month service fee? You bet.

 

The audio editing aspects is worth the money alone. Quality audio editing hardware costs thousands. On the iPad the app is no more than 20 bucks.

 

What do you pay for your phone service and how much was your phone?

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Who wants to carry it around? How about someone who carries a lap top? It's smaller. Do you take pictures with your phone? Probably....but that's different' date=' right? You're making it sound like a bad thing to be able to do multiple things with a phone? You're either jadded because you can't or refuse to pay for an iPhone or just getting old and senile.[/quote']

 

Lmao, the elitist argument, huh? My laptop is far superior to any iPad, it weighs about 2 pounds and never gets viruses because I'm not a moron. If you get viruses nowadays with the slew of PC protection programs available, even for free, you shouldn't own a computer anyway. It's funny that iPad and iPhone users trumpet the fact that they paid more for an inferior product... I call that stupidity.

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I've worked in the wireless industry for just over 10 years now. I remember when the first color screen came out- huge deal. Polyphonic ringtones- omg big deal. It's been interesting watching the progression.

 

 

The only thing that has impressed me about Apple has been their marketing.

 

I do think iPhones are great for certain people. I don't see older customers adjusting to android particularly well. That said..

 

From what I've seen of both apple & android, I definitely prefer android. Things android has been able to do for at least a year or two is somehow "revolutionary" when it's the iPhone. The samsung galaxy s3 is a good example. You can text & watch videos at the same time. There is an optional setting- the phone will "look" to see if you're still looking at the phone before the screen times out & turns black. You can doubletap the top of the phone (the actual phone, not the screen) to scroll back to the top of a page. When you have a contact open you'd like to call, the phone will start calling them if you move the phone up, next to your ear. There are tons of apps you can get for free that apple charges for. Free mp3 apps with free full songs. The iPhone is capable of doing some of the other things android does- if you jailbreak it, which voids the warranty.

 

I won't say iphones are "bad" phones, but I certainly don't think they're "revolutionary" or worth camping out for. It is not a superior product & until recently, they have been grossly overpriced.

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theres nothing "revolutionary" about Apple products. what Apple does that makes them popular is offer a quality product with great support - they bend over backwards to accommodate their customers needs - and they have a trendy image which serves to advance their prestige. Its only a matter of time before other brands begin to make such a significant dent into their market share that the only advantage apple will have is their support. Once that becomes more commensurate with other brands, apple will no longer retain their prestige, at least from the consumer base, and thus they will average out with competition.

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theres nothing "revolutionary" about Apple products. what Apple does that makes them popular is offer a quality product with great support - they bend over backwards to accommodate their customers needs - and they have a trendy image which serves to advance their prestige. Its only a matter of time before other brands begin to make such a significant dent into their market share that the only advantage apple will have is their support. Once that becomes more commensurate with other brands' date=' apple will no longer retain their prestige, at least from the consumer base, and thus they will average out with competition.[/quote']

 

It's already happening hence the frivolous lawsuit against Samsung over patents. But they just shot themselves in the foot because Samsung is now poised to sue Apple if they release anymore devices with LTE technology. I agree with you for once. The world must really be ending soon.

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theres nothing "revolutionary" about Apple products. what Apple does that makes them popular is offer a quality product with great support - they bend over backwards to accommodate their customers needs - and they have a trendy image which serves to advance their prestige. Its only a matter of time before other brands begin to make such a significant dent into their market share that the only advantage apple will have is their support. Once that becomes more commensurate with other brands' date=' apple will no longer retain their prestige, at least from the consumer base, and thus they will average out with competition.[/quote']

 

I agree with most of this, although other brands have already made a significant dent in their market share. I also don't think apple "bends over backwards" for their customers. Example- when the iphone 4 was having problems with dropped calls/reception & their response was "you're holding it wrong" (although they did later resolve the problem) - they charge a ridiculous amount for tech support per call if no extended protection plan was purchased. They make a killing replacing broken screens- costs about $30 for a screen & isn't hard to replace- they usually charge at least $100 (I'm sure that's not only apple who does that) - I have seen of examples of them going above & beyond for a customer, although that definitely isn't the norm.

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It's already happening hence the frivolous lawsuit against Samsung over patents. But they just shot themselves in the foot because Samsung is now poised to sue Apple if they release anymore devices with LTE technology. I agree with you for once. The world must really be ending soon.

 

The lawsuits are absolutely retarded. They don't "own" rectangles, they weren't the first to come up with the touchscreen, etc.

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I agree with most of this' date=' although other brands have already made a significant dent in their market share. I also don't think apple "bends over backwards" for their customers. Example- when the iphone 4 was having problems with dropped calls/reception & their response was "you're holding it wrong" (although they did later resolve the problem) - they charge a ridiculous amount for tech support per call if no extended protection plan was purchased. They make a killing replacing broken screens- costs about $30 for a screen & isn't hard to replace- they usually charge at least $100 (I'm sure that's not only apple who does that) - I have seen of examples of them going above & beyond for a customer, although that definitely isn't the norm.[/quote']

 

Every time Ive ever had a problem with my iphone theyve been more than accommodating to help me that far surpasses any other brand. Go to just about any Apple retailer and youll find a small army of employees there to assist you in any possible way. And, if something really is wrong with your product - they seldom ever say "sorry, gotta buy a new one or pay for a repair", as they almost always find a way to resolve the issue at no expense to you.

 

Now, I'm not suggesting every single problem has a happy ending, but by and large, they do indeed go out of their way to meet their customers needs.

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Every time Ive ever had a problem with my iphone theyve been more than accommodating to help me that far surpasses any other brand. Go to just about any Apple retailer and youll find a small army of employees there to assist you in any possible way. And' date=' if something really is wrong with your product - they seldom ever say "sorry, gotta buy a new one or pay for a repair", as they almost always find a way to resolve the issue at no expense to you.

 

Now, I'm not suggesting every single problem has a happy ending, but by and large, they do indeed go out of their way to meet their customers needs.[/quote']

 

I'm glad you've had good experiences. I work in a corporate wireless retail store so I suppose I probably end up hearing more about the bad experiences than the good ones. It's not like people will come in just to tell me how great their experience with apple was. I generally hear about it when it doesn't go well. I do think that overall their employees try to make it a good experience. The "unfair" things I've heard complaints about fall more into company policy, etc.

 

I do wish they were more flexible on some of their policies. Example- with every other phone we sell, in the first month after purchase, if something is defective, we can exchange it for the customer in store. On the iPhones, once the product is opened, we are not supposed to exchange any doa- we are supposed to refer the customer to an apple store. In many areas, that isn't really a big deal but the closest apple store to our location is about an hour away. That is exceptionally annoying for a customer who has had their phone less than 24 hours, something is wrong, & now they have to make a fair drive to resolve the issue. Most customers don't understand that is apple's policy, not ours, & then we get *****ed at for ages over something we have no control over.

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No doubt most are only inclined to speak up when something is wrong as opposed to the good things - hence the old saying no news is good news. Plus, your more likely getting issues related to service - which is more of a daily occurrence as opposed to the once in a while hardware/system problem.

 

If and when they stop catering to customer needs in the manner they do now, I will likely switch brands. Until then, I'm happy.

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No doubt most are only inclined to speak up when something is wrong as opposed to the good things - hence the old saying no news is good news. Plus' date=' your more likely getting issues related to service - which is more of a daily occurrence as opposed to the once in a while hardware/system problem.

 

If and when they stop catering to customer needs in the manner they do now, I will likely switch brands. Until then, I'm happy.[/quote']

 

I would guess they will have a huge focus on customer service as the market gets more competitive & android continues to do well. The wireless market is pretty saturated & people are beginning to realize android is an incredibly valid competitor to apple. At some point, when all the products offered are capable of doing basically the same things, customer service ends up being what makes or breaks you. That's one reason the lawsuits annoy me so much. It benefits just about everyone when there are quality options. It keeps pricing fair & customer service good. When the iPhone first came out, they were around $500 (no discount with a contact) - & people paid that, as they didn't realize there were other good options. As android has grown, iPhone costs have steadily gone down. The iPhone 4 just dropped to 99c with a contact- which is pretty phenomenal, considering the crappy first generation iPhone was $500ish.

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Lmao' date=' the elitist argument, huh? My laptop is far superior to any iPad, it weighs about 2 pounds and never gets viruses because I'm not a moron. If you get viruses nowadays with the slew of PC protection programs available, even for free, you shouldn't own a computer anyway. It's funny that iPad and iPhone users trumpet the fact that they paid more for an inferior product... I call that stupidity.[/quote']

 

So tell me again what your lap top can do that my iPad can't? Without virus protection. Lol...bye troll.

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Lmao' date=' the elitist argument, huh? My laptop is far superior to any iPad, it weighs about 2 pounds and never gets viruses because I'm not a moron. If you get viruses nowadays with the slew of PC protection programs available, even for free, you shouldn't own a computer anyway. It's funny that iPad and iPhone users trumpet the fact that they paid more for an inferior product... I call that stupidity.[/quote']

 

I stopped reading at the word 'elitist'...you're a socialist voting for Obama. Tool.

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So tell me again what your lap top can do that my iPad can't? Without virus protection. Lol...bye troll.

 

I'm not even going to waste my time with answering this question. It's clear that you're just another yuppie tool sipping that Apple Kool-Aid. The fact that you even mention viruses as a legitimate excuse to use an iPad shows me that you have the technical knowledge of my 89 year old grandmother...

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I'm not even going to waste my time with answering this question. It's clear that you're just another yuppie tool sipping that Apple Kool-Aid. The fact that you even mention viruses as a legitimate excuse to use an iPad shows me that you have the technical knowledge of my 89 year old grandmother...

 

Ok...then go away. Go play with your floppy disk. Oh wait, PC's have thumb drives now....right? Lol

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So tell me again what your lap top can do that my iPad can't? Without virus protection. Lol...bye troll.

 

If you actually wanted an answer to this- they won't run heavy duty programs & if what you need takes up a lot of memory, an iPad won't cut it. Even with icloud, there isn't enough memory (or expandable memory) for many people. It would be a joke trying to use it for gaming. There isn't really an option for long time memory/storage that's secured unless it's backed up to a computer. It will do photo/video editing but nowhere close to what computers can do, at least for now.

 

They're great for many people (.. as are android tablets..) - if you need it for normal web browsing/media/etc, there is a lot to be said for them. To suggest that you can do everything on a tablet you can do from a pc is a bit naive though. They fit the needs of a lot of people- not everyone.

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If you actually wanted an answer to this- they won't run heavy duty programs & if what you need takes up a lot of memory' date=' an iPad won't cut it. Even with icloud, there isn't enough memory (or expandable memory) for many people. It would be a joke trying to use it for gaming. There isn't really an option for long time memory/storage that's secured unless it's backed up to a computer. It will do photo/video editing but nowhere close to what computers can do, at least for now.

 

They're great for many people (.. as are android tablets..) - if you need it for normal web browsing/media/etc, there is a lot to be said for them. To suggest that you can do everything on a tablet you can do from a pc is a bit naive though. They fit the needs of a lot of people- not everyone.[/quote']

 

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If you actually wanted an answer to this- they won't run heavy duty programs & if what you need takes up a lot of memory' date=' an iPad won't cut it. Even with icloud, there isn't enough memory (or expandable memory) for many people. It would be a joke trying to use it for gaming. There isn't really an option for long time memory/storage that's secured unless it's backed up to a computer. It will do photo/video editing but nowhere close to what computers can do, at least for now.

 

They're great for many people (.. as are android tablets..) - if you need it for normal web browsing/media/etc, there is a lot to be said for them. To suggest that you can do everything on a tablet you can do from a pc is a bit naive though. They fit the needs of a lot of people- not everyone.[/quote']

 

Games? Really? That's why PC's are better? Better graphics and game play? Lol...gaming? That and you can't take a PC with you when leaving moms basement?

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Ok...video comic books too? High resolution of course. And Dungeons and Dragons 2012.

 

Lol.. dude. I am not criticizing ipads, or any tablet. If it does everything you need a computer to do, then awesome. All I'm saying is that it doesn't do *everything* that everyone needs out of their computer. I've been selling them for years & the misconception that they can "replace" everyone's pc has caused a lot of headaches. They're exceptionally practical, versatile, convenient, etc- they will cover the needs of the majority. Depending on what you need, it isn't always the right choice. All I'm sayin. I was not attacking your beloved...

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Lol.. dude. I am not criticizing ipads' date=' or any tablet. If it does everything you need a computer to do, then awesome. All I'm saying is that it doesn't do *everything* that everyone needs out of their computer. I've been selling them for years & the misconception that they can "replace" everyone's pc has caused a lot of headaches. They're exceptionally practical, versatile, convenient, etc- they will cover the needs of the majority. Depending on what you need, it isn't always the right choice. All I'm sayin. I was not attacking your beloved...[/quote']

 

I'm not sure any reasonable, technologically hip person could ever safely assume a tablet is an equal replacement for a PC. Its more or less a "handy dandy multimedia gadget", nothing more.

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Somewhere on page 3. He asked for an example of what a laptop can do that the iPad can't.

 

Depends if hes speaking in a practical or technical sense. Practical - they are very comparable indeed. Technically - no comparison - the simple fact that you can swap & upgrade components on a laptop - which you cant do with an ipad - alone is a huge difference.

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