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It's crazy... and they keep feeding him legends to build his legacy. Hendo is probably next.

 

Shogun' date=' Machida, Rampage, Evans, Vitor, Bonnar, Bader... impressive resume and he's only 25. Even if he were to retire now he'd go down as the greatest.[/quote']

 

Agreed...

 

He has to defend his title two more times to beat Tito's record' date=' but seriously...

 

[b']Tito defended it against guys way below his level.

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...because of this...at the very least not nearly on the level as the people that Jones have faced.

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It's crazy... and they keep feeding him legends to build his legacy. Hendo is probably next.

 

Shogun' date=' Machida, Rampage, Evans, Vitor, Bonnar, Bader... impressive resume and he's only 25. Even if he were to retire now he'd go down as the greatest.[/quote']

 

I see you've either wised up or you're a walking contradiction of yourself after making this stupid statement

"Champions having non-title fights in their own division is stupid. What if the lose? They're still crowned champion but they're the second best in their division. It's stupid. "

 

If you dont believe you said it...check the thread pertaining to Dana taking another shot at Jones.

 

http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=126135&highlight=dana+takes+shot+Jones&page=4

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I see you've wised up or either you're a walking contradiction of yourself after making this stupid statement

"Champions having non-title fights in their own division is stupid. What if the lose? They're still crowned champion but they're the second best in their division. It's stupid. "

 

If you dont believe you said it...check the thread pertaining to Dana taking another shot at Jones.

 

Yeah' date=' I said that but what does it have to do with this thread?

 

chuck is better.

 

nuh-uh

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I see you've wised up or either you're a walking contradiction of yourself after making this stupid statement

"Champions having non-title fights in their own division is stupid. What if the lose? They're still crowned champion but they're the second best in their division. It's stupid. "

 

If you dont believe you said it...check the thread pertaining to Dana taking another shot at Jones.

 

lol you gotta separate trolling from giving a fighters his due and its rare for most internet fans to do so when Jones is the topic but Jones finishing a guy with one hurt arm has to earn even his biggest critics respect

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Yeah, I said that but what does it have to do with this thread?

 

 

 

...because you said if Chael fought him and beat him (whether title fight or non-title fight) that Jones would then be considered the second best in his division. My response was that any win by Chael over Jones would be considered a fluke by anyone who was familiar with MMA at all...especially when you consider the talent that Jones has put away ...and most of them with relative ease.

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Yeah' date=' I said that but what does it have to do with this thread?

 

 

 

...because you said if Chael fought him and beat him (whether title fight or non-title fight) that Jones would then be considered the second best in his division. My response was that any win by Chael over Jones would be considered a fluke by anyone who was familiar with MMA at all...especially when you consider the talent that Jones has put away ...and most of them with relative ease.[/quote']

 

If they fought it would have been a title fight and if Jones lost he would have been considered the second best in the division.

 

Overall Jones is the best LHW of all time but if he were to lose to Sonnen (or anyone) he would be #2 in current rankings.

 

Just like Anderson, he's going down as the GOAT as it stands right now but if he were to lose he'd no longer be #1 in the current rankings but his overall accomplishments still stand.

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I want him to fight Hendo next before its too late then he'll have another legend on his resume

 

After seeing this fight, I have no doubts in my mind Hendo's doomed, especially if Jones tries to submit him.

 

Same goes for Gus...

 

Machida and Shogun might be repeats or they might fall even quicker the second time around, still out of the current LHW's my money's on Lyoto to be the best challenge.

 

Only if DC moves down or Silva moves up will JBJ be really challenged at that weight.

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If they fought it would have been a title fight and if Jones lost he would have been considered the second best in the division.

Overall Jones is the best LHW of all time but if he were to lose to Sonnen (or anyone) he would be #2 in current rankings.

 

By who????? Run a poll and I guarantee you knowone except you would say that....it's this type of foolish thinking that makes me wonder about the intelligence of the people on this board. Thats like a mid level talent non - BCS school beating Alabama and someone saying the non BCS school is better than Alabama and Alabama is the second best team in the country. Do you think anyone in their right mind would really believe that??....Once again ...are you serious??

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By who????? Run a poll and I guarantee you knowone except you would say that....it's this type of foolish thinking that makes me wonder about the intelligence of the people on this board. Thats like a mid level talent non - BCS school beating Alabama and someone saying the non BCS school is better than Alabama....Once again ...are you serious??

 

What do you mean by who? If Chael was to beat Jones he'd have to be #1. Saying otherwise would be ridiculous. How could the champion of the division not be #1?

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I don't really like him but it's true. He may not have the longest title defense streak but the caliber of opponents he's been defending his belt against is outstanding.

 

Every single one of these legends on his resume actually acquired their legend status by defeating seriously lesser competition over the years I mean.. the former PRIDE legends slaughtered cans but still that showed that they were a notch higher than the rest of the competition at the time. They fought each other, some of them of course had to lose, others won, but in the end these guys were determined to be the best of their time. Nowadays, they're still the top of the competition. To anyone who think Rampage is nous a lousy fighter just see what happened when he faced Hamill... Although no1 saw Hamill ever fighter for the title in a short future he was rising slowly and Rampage demolished him...

 

That being said, none of these top guys were able to consistently beat every other top guy. Jones has... I'll give you that the Shogun he beat wasn't the Shogun of old. But for the others.. Rashad, Rampage, Machida, and now Belfort..? There is no debate here. Jones would also beat Tito to a pulp come on.. even Tito in his prime. Tito benefited from ****** competition. His record sucks *** even with like 3 wins against Shamrock. As soon as the competition started getting a bit tougher Tito and his "legacy" went out the window.

 

Like it or not, Jones is the one greatest LHW ever so far.

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Probably is but I don't get the rush to move him up to HW. There's a lot of potentially interesting fights even after Hendo. Gus, Glover, maybe Jimmo, Magalhaes, Phil Davis, Stanislav Nedkov. When SF gets moved over you got Mousasi and Feijao. Now obviously all of these guys wouldnt fight Jones, but you figure you weed out half after they fight each other and you have a fresh crop of faces for him to fight.

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Jones would find it harder to get chuck down then he did rampage' date=' and Chuck has a better long range game then Rampage. Stylistically, Chuck would beat Jones.[/quote']

 

No keep dreaming.

 

If Couture can take Chuck down and smash him Jones would do it with ease. He is way too athletic and can strike and has a submission game and Chuck is super predictable and moves like frankenstien.

 

In all honesty Chuck was a great champion for his time but he'd get smashed with his style today against the new crop of fighters out there.

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That doesn't matter. If you beat the champ' date=' you're the champ. = #1

 

 

 

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Something thats given to you out of formality doesn't necessarily garner respect unless it's been earned and there is a track record to back up your accomplishment. There is no track record for Chael at 205 (none whatsoever) and he certainly would not have earned a shot....big difference.

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That doesn't matter. If you beat the champ' date=' you're the champ. = #1

 

 

 

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Something thats given to you out of formality doesn't necessarily garner respect unless it's been earned and there is a track record to back up your accomplishment. There is no track record for Chael at 205 (none whatsoever) and he certainly would have not earned a shot....big difference.

 

Damn you suck a quoting.

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No keep dreaming.

 

If Couture can take Chuck down and smash him Jones would do it with ease. He is way too athletic and can strike and has a submission game and Chuck is super predictable and moves like frankenstien.

 

In all honesty Chuck was a great champion for his time but he'd get smashed with his style today against the new crop of fighters out there.

 

there's no way of telling who's the better wrestler between Jones and Couture considering they never fought, however I do believe Randy was the better wrestler. Also, Chuck tweaked his style to counter Randy's wrestling easily, so nobody really ever outwrestled Chuck convincingly when he was on top. Only when his chin started to fade did he lose. And that weakness would not be a problem against someone like jones who doesn't hit that hard except for elbows on the ground.,

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You screwed up quote post #16 and kept derping each one after. :P

 

Not too concerned about it. Anyone who knows how he thinks should be able to determine which comments are mine as opposed to his. He's the only one capable of trolling his own thread without realizing it, because he can't remmeber what he said in previous threads.

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there's no way of telling who's the better wrestler between Jones and Couture considering they never fought' date=' however I do believe Randy was the better wrestler. Also, Chuck tweaked his style to counter Randy's wrestling easily, so [b']nobody really ever outwrestled Chuck convincingly when he was on top[/b]. Only when his chin started to fade did he lose. And that weakness would not be a problem against someone like jones who doesn't hit that hard except for elbows on the ground.,

 

I think Page has better TDD then Chuck and offensive wrestling. Skillwise TDD they were about even but i give Page an edge with it because he's soo ****ing strong.

 

Chuck was better a scrambling but i think Jones would counter that easily.

 

95 out of 100 fights I think Jones would take him down and Hamill him....Well maybe that's not the best example but you know what i mean.

 

To me Chuck was a very overrated champion ( mostly because of his style and because people loved him for it ) and i like him alot and all but it is what it is. If he actually fought with his whole skillset i might think differently.

 

Because he didn't he's less dangerous because he was more predictable.

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That doesn't matter. If you beat the champ' date=' you're the champ. = #1

 

 

 

/QUOTE']

 

Something thats given to you out of formality doesn't necessarily garner respect unless it's been earned and there is a track record to back up your accomplishment. There is no track record for Chael at 205 (none whatsoever) and he certainly would not have earned a shot....big difference.

 

You're calling me a troll under this post but I seriously don't understand your reasoning. If Chael was to beat Jones he would/ be #1. The champion is the #1 in the division, that's a fact.

 

I'm not sure if you're just a huge Chael hater or what's going on here but you're making no sense to me.

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You're calling me a troll under this post but I seriously don't understand your reasoning. If Chael was to beat Jones he would/ be #1. The champion is the #1 in the division' date=' that's a fact.

 

I'm not sure if you're just a huge Chael hater or what's going on here but you're making no sense to me.[/quote']

 

Well if I'm not making sense to you then it must have made all the sense in the world to you for Dana to give Chael a title shot out of desperation having no good reason whatsoever to do so.

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You're calling me a troll under this post but I seriously don't understand your reasoning. If Chael was to beat Jones he would/ be #1. The champion is the #1 in the division' date=' that's a fact.

 

I'm not sure if you're just a huge Chael hater or what's going on here but you're making no sense to me.[/quote']

 

I'm not making sense to you, but it made all the sense in the world for Dana to give Chael a title shot out of desperation having no good reason whatsoever to do so???

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Well if I'm not making sense to you then it must have made all the sense in the world to you for Dana to give Chael a title shot out of desperation having no good reason whatsoever to do so.

 

Chael was offered the spot because they needed a challenger on short notice. The same reason Vitor got one. Unfortunately for Chael, Jones didn't accept the fight. But if he did and Chael won, Chael would be the champion and ranked the #1 LHW in the world.

 

When was the last time a UFC champion was crowned and they didn't take the #1 spot?

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Chael was offered the spot because they needed a challenger on short notice. The same reason Vitor got one. Unfortunately for Chael' date=' Jones didn't accept the fight. But if he did and Chael won, Chael would be the champion and ranked the #1 LHW in the world.

 

When was the last time a UFC champion was crowned and they didn't take the #1 spot?[/quote']

 

Every person that was crowned champion in the UFC has earned the right to be called #1 (even if it was interim). You don't give a person a shot like that who has done nothing past or present to earn a shot just to save an event. Like I said in a previous thread it makes a mockery of the title and is a slap in the face to those who have earned title shots or been champions in the past. Vitor was asked , because it made more sense (as a former UFC champion and tournament winner) and even Vitor himself said Chael had no business being asked to step in and take the fight. It was one of the stupidest things that Dana and Zuffa brass have ever done. You're going to give a shot to a guy who cant even claim being a former champion in the WEC much less the UFC and as I've mentioned multiple times before was a mid level can at 205 previously.

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Every person that was crowned champion in the UFC has earned that accolade. You don't give a person a shot like that who has done nothing past or present to earn a shot just to save an event. Like I said in a previous thread it makes a mockery of the title and is a slap in the face to those who have earned title shots or been champions in the past. Vitor was asked ' date=' because it made more sense (as a former UFC champion and tournament winner) and even Vitor himself said Chael had no business being asked to step in and take the fight. It was one of the stupidest things that Dana and Zuffa brass have ever done. You're going to give a shot to a guy who cant even claim being a former champion in the WEC much less the UFC and as I've mentioned multiple times before was mid level can at 205 previously.[/quote']

 

Whether or not the fight made sense, if Chael beat Jones he'd be #1. The fight was put up to save an entire UFC card, Jones declined and the event had to be canceled. Then he accepted another fight with another unworthy challenger. I mean really, who cares if Vitor won a tournament in 1980? It doesn't make the fight make sense.

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Every person that was crowned champion in the UFC has earned that accolade. You don't give a person a shot like that who has done nothing past or present to earn a shot just to save an event. Like I said in a previous thread it makes a mockery of the title and is a slap in the face to those who have earned title shots or been champions in the past. Vitor was asked ' date=' because it made more sense (as a former UFC champion and tournament winner) and even Vitor himself said Chael had no business being asked to step in and take the fight. It was one of the stupidest things that Dana and Zuffa brass have ever done. You're going to give a shot to a guy who cant even claim being a former champion in the WEC much less the UFC and as I've mentioned multiple times before was mid level can at 205 previously.[/quote']

 

You do when that man has fought for a title before and is the only one willing to step up because everyone else is scared homie.

 

Obviously Jones thought he was a threat enough to chicken out cause he needed more time to formulate a specific game plan.

 

He actually felt he's putting it all on the line and there is great enough risk of him losing for him so he turned it down confirming Chael is indeed worthy.

 

Hey i think Jones would destroy Chael but nobody else wanted to step up and he's the first that did and Chael is world class.

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You do when that man has fought for a title before and is the only one willing to step up because everyone else is scared homie.

 

Obviously Jones thought he was a threat enough to chicken out cause he needed more time to formulate a specific game plan.

 

You and Yesterdays Hero and every other dufus keeps saying Jones was scared (based upon what???) knowing full well he would have slaughtered Chael. Chael wont even be able to get past Griffin. He'll get triangled like he did in their previous fight and we can hear the last of this *********. Chael's mouth nearly got him a shot at the title and absolutely nothing else. If being crowned #1 was based off of who could talk the most crap w/o backing it up Chael would already be #1. He's a one dimensional fighter who brings nothing to the table after you stop his takedowns. The guy has been fighting for some 15 years and still can't defend against a triangle. He's the same fighter he was from day 1 and hasn't evolved one bit.

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You and Yesterdays Hero and every other dufus keeps saying Jones was scared (based upon what???) knowing full well he would have slaughtered Chael. Chael wont even be able to get past Griffin. He'll get triangled like he did in their previous fight and we can hear the last of this *********. Chael's mouth nearly got him a shot at the title and absolutely nothing else. If being crowned #1 was based off of who could talk the most crap w/o backing it up Chael would already be #1. He's a one dimensional fighter who brings nothing to the table after you stop his takedowns. The guy has been fighting for some 15 years and still can't defend against a triangle.

 

You've completely changed your argument to something irrelevant. I'm guessing you've accepted that beating the champion makes you #1?

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