Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 refer to poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangasm Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I think Shogun's striking is better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 dosnt count. Shotgun was injured. thats why i put up unrelated pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker_Kid Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangasm Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 dosnt count. Shotgun was injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainCarwin Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Shogun is the better striker, DAMN I miss PRIDE Wandy and Shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bear413 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Didn't they fight, and didn't Jones obliterate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Didn't they fight' date=' and didn't Jones obliterate him?[/quote'] yes and yes. inb4blamingJonesReach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyFeet Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 We all saw what Jones did to Shogun... And Belfort would kill Shogun. Vera sucks. Troll thread is well done. 9/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krendo Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 We all saw what Jones did to Shogun... And Belfort would kill Shogun. Vera sucks. Troll thread is well done. 9/10 ^ all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePack19 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 That pic makes Vitor look like he is on roids, dang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Shotgun is a highly decorated striker with knockout wins. Jones has never won a fight standing, he relies on his arms to choke people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomite5698 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Honestly, I think in a kickboxing or Muay Thai match, there's a lot of people in the LHW division that could out strike Jones. Shogun, Machida, Rampage (boxing only), Anderson Silva....but once you throw in the wrestling, clinch takedowns and all of Jones's strengths he becomes better. Look at what Anderson Silva does to people when he's not worried about the takedown (Forrest Griffin) and then see what happens when he is (Silva vs Chael 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Honestly' date=' I think in a kickboxing or Muay Thai match, there's a lot of people in the LHW division that could out strike Jones. Shogun, Machida, Rampage (boxing only), Anderson Silva....but once you throw in the wrestling, clinch takedowns and all of Jones's strengths he becomes better. Look at what Anderson Silva does to people when he's not worried about the takedown (Forrest Griffin) and then [b']see what happens when he is[/b] (Silva vs Chael 1) chael got finished twice Anderson is not part of this convo because normal laws of physics dont apply to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Shogun knocked out Rampage, Machida, Liddell, Overeem twice etc. People just forget that he's past his physical prime. If we go prime Shogun vs prime Jones, I say Shogun is the better striker, but now, Jones obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Also, Jones hasn't even knocked out anyone in the UFC Zombies gonna zombie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Also' date=' Jones hasn't even knocked out anyone in the UFC Zombies gonna zombie [/quote'] exactly. He's never finished a fight standing. He always chokes people with his noodle arms Shogun comes to stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 exactly. He's never finished a fight standing. He always chokes people with his noodle arms Shogun comes to stand Actually he finished Shogun standing and that Gusmao guy too, but those weren't knockouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 That pic makes Vitor look like he is on roids' date=' dang.[/quote'] Well, an undisclosed fighter was given TRT exemption for that card......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Well' date=' an undisclosed fighter was given TRT exemption for that card.........[/quote'] lmfao!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon1406052403 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 lol shogun is a bum, so overrated.... DID YOU PEOPLE SEE JONES MAKE SHOGUN TAP TO STRIKES???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 lol shogun is a bum' date=' so overrated.... DID YOU PEOPLE SEE JONES MAKE SHOGUN TAP TO STRIKES????[/quote'] Lol, if a guy who wins the Pride Grand Prix and knocks out 16-0 Lyoto Machida to win the UFC Championship is a bum, I don't know what you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Shogun knocked out Rampage' date=' Machida, Liddell, Overeem twice etc. People just forget that he's past his physical prime. If we go prime Shogun vs prime Jones, I say Shogun is the better striker, but now, Jones obviously [/quote'] Just pointing out he knocked out Machida yes... In the fight before the Jones fight... Just saying with the physcial prime and what not. Shogun is a better pure striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon1406052403 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Lol' date=' if a guy who wins the Pride Grand Prix and knocks out 16-0 Lyoto Machida to win the UFC Championship is a bum, I don't know what you are.[/quote'] i was being colorful with my description, as my shock to shogun being ahead of the pole after bones made him tap to strikes.... i like me some shogun, but jones murdered him standing.... /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 i was being colorful with my description' date=' as my shock to shogun being ahead of the pole after bones made him tap to strikes.... i like me some shogun, but jones murdered him standing.... /thread[/quote'] shogun was injured. dosnt count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Just pointing out he knocked out Machida yes... In the fight before the Jones fight... Just saying with the physcial prime and what not. Shogun is a better pure striker. Nah, Shogun was past his prime before that. In the fights against Coleman and Forrest he looked horrible, Machida just isn't a guy who pushes the pace too much that's why Shogun did well because he was the aggressor. Shogun doesn't do well with guys that bring it (like Vera did) anymore I hope Gustafsson doesn't push the pace too much and ends up knocked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 shogun was injured. dosnt count. Yes it does count because he lost and he lost his belt. But let's see, 24 year old Shogun was knocking guys like Rampage, Arona and Overeem out and his cardio was much better than it is today. Let Jones be in some wars and see how his body holds up, he's much more careful than Shogun was and he'd never go toe to toe with those guys I mentioned. He'd keep his distance, use his knee cap kicks, etc. Obviously Jones is the better fighter today, and that's no shame because Jones is already one of the greatest and IMO the most well rounded guy EVER in MMA. But Shogun is a better striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Nah' date=' Shogun was past his prime before that. In the fights against Coleman and Forrest he looked horrible, Machida just isn't a guy who pushes the pace too much that's why Shogun did well because he was the aggressor. Shogun doesn't do well with guys that bring it (like Vera did) anymore I hope Gustafsson doesn't push the pace too much and ends up knocked out [/quote'] A refreshing taste of unbiased realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderleisilva101 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Even the Shogun today is the better striker he just seems to come back off of injuries in really bad shape.. rewatch the Jones fight he strikes with him but makes sure he uses takedowns to soften him with elbows then strikes with him while he is tired and hurt for the finish that does not make you the better striker imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 A refreshing taste of unbiased realism. Thanks And by the way, I'm going to watch Here comes the boom right now Don't spoil it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks And by the way' date=' I'm going to watch Here comes the boom right now Don't spoil it for me[/quote'] Mayhem loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Mayhem loses. Yes, he got knocked out in the trailer. Pretty stupid spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Oh and Shogun has more experience and has better striking at the moment. But when it's a fight between Jones and Shogun--Jones obviously has the better striking. Jones will surpass Shogun someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Yes' date=' he got knocked out in the trailer. Pretty stupid spoiler [/quote'] Kevin James dies in the end. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks And by the way' date=' I'm going to watch Here comes the boom right now Don't spoil it for me[/quote'] I thouroughly enjoyed it. Mostly because of the little things non-MMA fans wouldn't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 If Shogun were the same size as Jones and this wasn't MMA I'd say Shogun. But he's not and it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I thouroughly enjoyed it. Mostly because of the little things non-MMA fans wouldn't get. Just watched it, lots of references The fight in the rain, the ring giving up as it did in a fight between Sonnen vs Mayhem, Rampage's slam, the Showtime kick I didn't like the movie that much but the final fight was pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 this is only a debate for idiots. shogun is miles beyond jones in technical ability, if we are just going to talk about who has more skill in a particular dimension. please dont be a fool and bring up their fight either, that was not an example of anything relevant to this question jones in fact has vastly overrated striking. just because he throws a good spinning elbow does not make him a great striker. lyoto showed he was on another level when they fought, and will again when they rematch. in fact, i will go as far as to say that if lyoto comes better prepared for the grappling game, he will either win an easy UD or get the stoppage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I've never seen Jones throw hard leg kicks either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I've never seen Jones throw hard leg kicks either Yeah, after UFC 104, Shogun's lethal leg kicks disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 this is only a debate for idiots. shogun is miles beyond jones in technical ability' date=' if we are just going to talk about who has more skill in a particular dimension. please dont be a fool and bring up their fight either, that was not an example of anything relevant to this question jones in fact has vastly overrated striking. just because he throws a good spinning elbow does not make him a great striker. [b']lyoto showed he was on another level when they fought[/b], and will again when they rematch. in fact, i will go as far as to say that if lyoto comes better prepared for the grappling game, he will either win an easy UD or get the stoppage The floor when Bones dropped him. Then back on the floor 20 seconds later when he dropped him unconscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 The floor when Bones dropped him. Then back on the floor 20 seconds later when he dropped him unconscious. so jones owned him in the stand up eh lol this forum is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Yeah' date=' after UFC 104, Shogun's lethal leg kicks disappeared.[/quote']Yes, unfortunately The floor when Bones dropped him. Then back on the floor 20 seconds later when he dropped him unconscious. Yeah, Bones hit Machida with a vicious straight left but for some reason no one seems to acknowledge this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banham Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 If Jones wasn't such a Mister Fantastic wannabe he wouldn't be top 15 at LHW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 so jones owned him in the stand up eh lol this forum is horrible Truth is the whole first round was where Machida wanted it and he did nothing. Bones put him on his back for a minute or two and busted him up. Then he nearly knocked him out with a punch. Which fight did you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime956 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Are you kidding me?How does shogun have more votes? This must be a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Are you kidding me?How does shogun have more votes? This must be a joke! only shoGOD can get outstruck and TKO'd and tap to strikes and still be called the better striker of the two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 If Jones wasn't such a Mister Fantastic wannabe he wouldn't be top 15 at LHW. That makes no sense...:confused: Are you kidding me?How does shogun have more votes? This must be a joke! Hate for Jones>>>>>logical thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 only shoGOD can get outstruck and TKO'd and tap to strikes and still be called the better striker of the two ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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