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Apparently during election season its too risky to make any attempt to help our own people, as votes matter more than loyalty.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/24/us-military-response-questioned-in-wake-deadly-libya-attack/print

 

 

“For the U.S. military to say they couldn’t move ... one aircraft in eight hours, I say it's time to relieve the people in chain of command," Bing West, an assistant defense secretary under President Reagan, told Fox News.

 

Absolutely, there are a multitude of options we could have taken, to include expedited assault & extraction, close air support via drones or gunships, or simply getting on the ****ing phone with the Libyan govt to send in a security force to help.

 

 

But U.S. officials argue "strafing the streets of Benghazi" without a clear intelligence picture on the ground could have led to Americans or innocent bystanders being mistakenly hit. Officials also feared an ambush by the attackers.

 

 

Nobody with any common sense & understanding would advocate for such a thing. If an assault is taking place, its highly unlikely that the folks around the compound are selling girl scout cookies - all ya gotta do is clear the perimeter and give the guys on the ground room to breath and take cover.

 

 

“It's not as easy as people think,” retired Gen. Jack Keane, former vice chief of the Army staff, said. “It's not as it's displayed in Hollywood. ... They are as concerned about those who they are sending there and having harm come to them as they are about those who are already there under duress.”

 

 

Uhh...thats what we get paid the big money for; to risk ourselves and help our own when in need. Seems ol general jackwagon forgot the most important rule of the battlefield - never leave a man behind - which includes not sitting with your thumbs up your asses while our guys are getting slaughtered.

 

 

Asked why the U.S. military did not do more, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday the first rule in such a situation is not to deploy troops into harm's way unless there is a clear picture of what is happening.

 

"And as result of not having that kind of information, the commander who is on the ground ... felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation," Panetta said.

 

 

BS, mr sec def....you were monitoring the situation in real time; weve sent our guys into worse situations with less intel and made it happen.This is a BS copout for political reasons.

 

 

Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham, both Republicans, complained recently that more was not done to bolster security.

 

"Despite ample warning signs that the immediate region remained unstable and our people under threat, inadequate preparations were made to respond to what in retrospect seems a likely attack," the senators said in a joint statement released last week.

 

Absolutely! And its more than a coverup - its a damn travesty & perhaps even criminal decision on the administrations part for not heading warnings & requests for extra security.

 

 

"If you want to bring an airplane over there, what is it really going to do?" he said. "There was probably as many people watching what was taking place -- who are innocent bystanders -- as well as people who are actually attacking the place."

 

As I said previously, most are not there for a picnic. Anyone not part of the fight but lingering is likely complicit with the people who were engaged in the fight, as you dont just hang out when people are killing other people unless you are in some way connected to them.

 

 

 

 

He also warned against jumping to conclusions about U.S. officials' decisions until all the facts are out.

 

"You don't know what was being communicated," he said. "People from that facility who are tough competent people, they know what that situation was there. You don't know what advice they are providing their chain of command as to what the situation was -- whether they wanted more people to relieve them or whether they were just stalling for time to make that evacuation."

 

 

Never heard of any situation where a small group of guys are fending off a large group of attackers and refused any manner of back up. There could be a few issues with how to coordinate air support, but those guys are hip enough to improvise on the fly with whatever action is taken, its part of our training.

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EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

 

 

By Jennifer Griffin

 

Published October 26, 2012

 

FoxNews.com

 

 

 

 

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

 

Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to "stand down."

 

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

 

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

 

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they too were told to stand down. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Specter gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

 

According to sources on the ground, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

 

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help.

 

"There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

 

Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the Consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to US officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

 

Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the Consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

 

A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the US, finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the Consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources. The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.

 

Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the Ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school.

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQCczgcB

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this story just keeps getting worse & more sickening

 

 

From the article:

 

The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

 

 

So much for the ******** excuse they had no way of communicating with the guys on the ground to get real time intel - or being able to coordinate air support.

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wow...

 

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire?.The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

 

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours ? enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

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So they ignored orders and got killed? Can't blame that on Obama I am afraid.

 

Sure orders can be ********' date=' but they are still orders.[/quote']

 

 

No, they did their duty to help their fellow men and the obama team left them hanging because it wasnt politically expedient to help. Their blood is on obama's hands.

 

Real soldiers ignore orders to do what is right - something you clearly dont have the slightest clue about.

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No' date=' they did their duty to help their fellow men and the obama team left them hanging because it wasnt politically expedient to help. Their blood is on obama's hands.

 

Real soldiers ignore orders to do what is right - something you clearly dont have the slightest clue about.[/quote']

 

+1

exactly

 

 

 

 

and dude i like ur avi's...hawt

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So they ignored orders and got killed? Can't blame that on Obama I am afraid.

 

Sure orders can be ********' date=' but they are still orders.[/quote']

 

What you said is disgusting. Just to destroy that justification, it doesn't excuse the inaction of the commander in chief and consequentially the deaths Stevens and Smith.

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That's ****ed up and someone needs to pay

 

But to blame Obama is out of line...what ever punishments you call for him you also should have been calling for every war time president or legit conflict president cuz stuff like this has been happening for ages

 

Does anyone think a trooper being left out there to die or abandoned only started to happen after 2008? Lol

 

Also if you think every military order and call come direct from the president himself then why the **** are you so stupid to support a president runner who has no military experience at all no matter the party?...I didn't vote for Obama...but I though he would have made a better president then mccain...but I was not so stupid to think he could be a better commander in chief then mccain

 

Just my 2 cents

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That's ****ed up and someone needs to pay

 

But to blame Obama is out of line...what ever punishments you call for him you also should have been calling for every war time president or legit conflict president cuz stuff like this has been happening for ages

 

Does anyone think a trooper being left out there to die or abandoned only started to happen after 2008? Lol

 

Also if you think every military order and call come direct from the president himself then why the **** are you so stupid to support a president runner who has no military experience at all no matter the party?...I didn't vote for Obama...but I though he would have made a better president then mccain...but I was not so stupid to think he could be a better commander in chief then mccain

 

Just my 2 cents

 

my main issue is the lies....the lies to the american people and the lies to the families of the ones that died....THAT is something he should be accountable for...

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The republican's answer for everything summed up by the ********* on the far right of the couch: "Send in an F-16." This is how the warrior tough guys on the right operate. Don't know the details of a situation? Send in the military! It's shoot first, aim later and it is dangerous. It is the very reason why Republicans are no longer taken seriously on many foreign policy issues.

 

The point is nobody knows exactly who did it in the beginning . The people in power can not just come out and blame someone. They have to investigate thoroughly due to international repercussions of being wrong. Fox has no such consequences . The latest is Ansar al Sharia takes credit. They were hastily formed and apparently dissolved after the attack. The Repubs are desperate for an issue. This is not it. So stfu and let the investigators figure out the facts before you politicize tragedy out of hatred for Obama.

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The mods should merge our threads

 

Agreed.

 

This is crazy. Fox news is virtually the only news outlet that's running this story in its daily broadcast's. They are presenting UNDENIABLE facts about the botched handling of the situation and the subsequent attempt to cover up the whole mess with lies, and the best the Obama supporters can do is scoff at fox news.

 

It saddens and sickens me that people will still try to defend Obamas handling of this event which left four of his ' people ' out there to die

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******* disgusting.

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my main issue is the lies....the lies to the american people and the lies to the families of the ones that died....THAT is something he should be accountable for...

 

you know what I agree ....but that he should be held accountable for what happened ...he did not give every orderr that the military does....and if you do then why then why the same organization trying to discredit his role in helping in the killing of osama bin ladin?

 

(not directed at you, just people in general)...is the president accredited with all military actions were none of the military actions...you can't pick and choose which ones like Fox News ,CNN ,MSNBC tries to do

 

sure he should not lie...But also should not have to be held accountable for what orders were giving ...he's only have until I'm first place is because people are blaming him ...

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The republican's answer for everything summed up by the ********* on the far right of the couch: "Send in an F-16." This is how the warrior tough guys on the right operate. Don't know the details of a situation? Send in the military! It's shoot first' date=' aim later and it is dangerous. It is the very reason why Republicans are no longer taken seriously on many foreign policy issues.

 

The point is nobody knows exactly who did it in the beginning . The people in power can not just come out and blame someone. They have to investigate thoroughly due to international repercussions of being wrong. Fox has no such consequences . The latest is Ansar al Sharia takes credit. They were hastily formed and apparently dissolved after the attack. The Repubs are desperate for an issue. This is not it. So stfu and let the investigators figure out the facts before you politicize tragedy out of hatred for Obama.[/quote']

 

they had live footage of what was going on, and there were more than enough forces around to send... stop defending the issue, just for your hatred of the republican party who you think are all attacking this...this is an issue of america not a certain party....**** happend, the administration LIED ABOUT IT, and also did nothing to help...

 

tell that to the father of the navy seal who died...

you really should stop being blind...smh

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No' date=' they did their duty to help their fellow men and the obama team left them hanging because it wasnt politically expedient to help. Their blood is on obama's hands.

 

Real soldiers ignore orders to do what is right - something you clearly dont have the slightest clue about.[/quote']

 

This ^^

 

my main issue is the lies....the lies to the american people and the lies to the families of the ones that died....THAT is something he should be accountable for...

 

And this ^^

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That's ****ed up and someone needs to pay

 

But to blame Obama is out of line...what ever punishments you call for him you also should have been calling for every war time president or legit conflict president cuz stuff like this has been happening for ages

 

Does anyone think a trooper being left out there to die or abandoned only started to happen after 2008? Lol

 

Also if you think every military order and call come direct from the president himself then why the **** are you so stupid to support a president runner who has no military experience at all no matter the party?...I didn't vote for Obama...but I though he would have made a better president then mccain...but I was not so stupid to think he could be a better commander in chief then mccain

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Contrary to some people's beliefs this type of thing does not happen regularly under every war time President. It's a big deal, and it's not the same as other petty scandals.When an ambassador, a consulate, and a CIA post are under attack for 7 hours you bet your *** the call and order comes directly from the President.

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you know what I agree ....but that he should be held accountable for what happened ...he did not give every orderr that the military does....and if you do then why then why the same organization trying to discredit his role in helping in the killing of osama bin ladin?

 

(not directed at you' date=' just people in general)...is the president accredited with all military actions were none of the military actions...you can't pick and choose which ones like Fox News ,CNN ,MSNBC tries to do

 

sure he should not lie...But also should not have to be held accountable for what orders were giving ...he's only have until I'm first place is because people are blaming him ...[/quote']

 

the departments under his direction ****ed up as well.

he gave the order to kill osama, i wont discredit him...

in this case his people denied help to the people asking for it....when they clearly knew what the problem was...thats my issue...

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That's ****ed up and someone needs to pay

 

But to blame Obama is out of line...what ever punishments you call for him you also should have been calling for every war time president or legit conflict president cuz stuff like this has been happening for ages

 

Does anyone think a trooper being left out there to die or abandoned only started to happen after 2008? Lol

 

Also if you think every military order and call come direct from the president himself then why the **** are you so stupid to support a president runner who has no military experience at all no matter the party?...I didn't vote for Obama...but I though he would have made a better president then mccain...but I was not so stupid to think he could be a better commander in chief then mccain

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Obama is the one who gives the order to let the military take action' date=' thus he is directly complicit, if not entirely responsible.

 

Agreed.

 

This is crazy. Fox news is virtually the only news outlet that's running this story in its daily broadcast's. They are presenting UNDENIABLE facts about the botched handling of the situation and the subsequent attempt to cover up the whole mess with lies, and the best the Obama supporters can do is scoff at fox news.

 

It saddens and sickens me that people will still try to defend Obamas handling of this event which left four of his ' people ' out there to die

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******* disgusting.

 

 

The media is an active component of the democrat party.

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they had live footage of what was going on' date=' and there were more than enough forces around to send... stop defending the issue, just for your hatred of the republican party who you think are all attacking this...this is an issue of america not a certain party....**** happend, the administration LIED ABOUT IT, and also did nothing to help...

 

tell that to the father of the navy seal who died...

you really should stop being blind...smh[/quote']

 

 

 

There is NO EXCUSE for a lack of response of any kind....as has been stated by myself and you guys already - they had active, first hand intel of the situation, and more than enough options to intervene in a meaningful way. The only explanation for a complete lacl of responding is political.

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they had live footage of what was going on' date=' and there were more than enough forces around to send...[b'] stop defending the issue, just for your hatred of the republican party who you think are all attacking this...this is an issue of america not a certain party..[/b]..**** happend, the administration LIED ABOUT IT, and also did nothing to help...

 

tell that to the father of the navy seal who died...

you really should stop being blind...smh

 

Totally agree with the bolded.

 

I personally would take the same issue with what happened, regardless of which party was in power, and regardless of who the President may or may not have been.

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The republican's answer for everything summed up by the ********* on the far right of the couch: "Send in an F-16." This is how the warrior tough guys on the right operate. Don't know the details of a situation? Send in the military! It's shoot first' date=' aim later and it is dangerous. It is the very reason why Republicans are no longer taken seriously on many foreign policy issues.

 

The point is nobody knows exactly who did it in the beginning . The people in power can not just come out and blame someone. They have to investigate thoroughly due to international repercussions of being wrong. Fox has no such consequences . The latest is Ansar al Sharia takes credit. They were hastily formed and apparently dissolved after the attack. The Repubs are desperate for an issue. This is not it. So stfu and let the investigators figure out the facts before you politicize tragedy out of hatred for Obama.[/quote']

 

^^ How does this guy come up with this? I'm convinced it's actually Debbie Wasserman-Shultz posing as a man. That's the only way I can rationalize it. There's no freakin' way you'd get that kind of defense for George W or Reagan or anyone with one ounce of conservatism in there body. The FACTS are overwhelming here. D or R has nothing to do with it, and we'll prove that when we get a further investigation after the election despite who wins.

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^^ How does this guy come up with this? I'm convinced it's actually Debbie Wasserman-Shultz posing as a man. That's the only way I can rationalize it. There's no freakin' way you'd get that kind of defense for George W or Reagan or anyone with one ounce of conservatism in there body. The FACTS are overwhelming here. D or R has nothing to do with it' date=' and we'll prove that when we get a further investigation after the election despite who wins.[/quote']

 

Ive been saying it for a while now...hes a democrat through and through, he just spouts the occasional gary johnson as a means to pretend hes something hes not. Hes a straight up liberal hack, and doesnt even have the balls to own who he is.

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Apparently during election season its too risky to make any attempt to help our own people' date=' as votes matter more than loyalty.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/24/us-military-response-questioned-in-wake-deadly-libya-attack/print

 

 

?For the U.S. military to say they couldn?t move ... one aircraft in eight hours, I say it's time to relieve the people in chain of command," Bing West, an assistant defense secretary under President Reagan, told Fox News.

 

Absolutely, there are a multitude of options we could have taken, to include expedited assault & extraction, close air support via drones or gunships, or simply getting on the ****ing phone with the Libyan govt to send in a security force to help.

 

 

But U.S. officials argue "strafing the streets of Benghazi" without a clear intelligence picture on the ground could have led to Americans or innocent bystanders being mistakenly hit. Officials also feared an ambush by the attackers.

 

 

Nobody with any common sense & understanding would advocate for such a thing. If an assault is taking place, its highly unlikely that the folks around the compound are selling girl scout cookies - all ya gotta do is clear the perimeter and give the guys on the ground room to breath and take cover.

 

 

?It's not as easy as people think,? retired Gen. Jack Keane, former vice chief of the Army staff, said. ?It's not as it's displayed in Hollywood. ... They are as concerned about those who they are sending there and having harm come to them as they are about those who are already there under duress.?

 

 

Uhh...thats what we get paid the big money for; to risk ourselves and help our own when in need. Seems ol general jackwagon forgot the most important rule of the battlefield - never leave a man behind - which includes not sitting with your thumbs up your asses while our guys are getting slaughtered.

 

 

Asked why the U.S. military did not do more, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday the first rule in such a situation is not to deploy troops into harm's way unless there is a clear picture of what is happening.

 

"And as result of not having that kind of information, the commander who is on the ground ... felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation," Panetta said.

 

 

BS, mr sec def....you were monitoring the situation in real time; weve sent our guys into worse situations with less intel and made it happen.This is a BS copout for political reasons.

 

 

Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham, both Republicans, complained recently that more was not done to bolster security.

 

"Despite ample warning signs that the immediate region remained unstable and our people under threat, inadequate preparations were made to respond to what in retrospect seems a likely attack," the senators said in a joint statement released last week.

 

Absolutely! And its more than a coverup - its a damn travesty & perhaps even criminal decision on the administrations part for not heading warnings & requests for extra security.

 

 

"If you want to bring an airplane over there, what is it really going to do?" he said. "There was probably as many people watching what was taking place -- who are innocent bystanders -- as well as people who are actually attacking the place."

 

As I said previously, most are not there for a picnic. Anyone not part of the fight but lingering is likely complicit with the people who were engaged in the fight, as you dont just hang out when people are killing other people unless you are in some way connected to them.

 

 

 

 

He also warned against jumping to conclusions about U.S. officials' decisions until all the facts are out.

 

"You don't know what was being communicated," he said. "People from that facility who are tough competent people, they know what that situation was there. You don't know what advice they are providing their chain of command as to what the situation was -- whether they wanted more people to relieve them or whether they were just stalling for time to make that evacuation."

 

 

Never heard of any situation where a small group of guys are fending off a large group of attackers and refused any manner of back up. There could be a few issues with how to coordinate air support, but those guys are hip enough to improvise on the fly with whatever action is taken, its part of our training.

 

For anyone who thinks" its too dangerous to help" is a valid excuse

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^^ How does this guy come up with this? I'm convinced it's actually Debbie Wasserman-Shultz posing as a man. That's the only way I can rationalize it. There's no freakin' way you'd get that kind of defense for George W or Reagan or anyone with one ounce of conservatism in there body. The FACTS are overwhelming here. D or R has nothing to do with it' date=' and we'll prove that when we get a further investigation after the election despite who wins.[/quote']

 

 

My money has him for a government shill.

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Ive been saying it for a while now...hes a democrat through and through' date=' he just spouts the occasional gary johnson as a means to pretend hes something hes not. Hes a straight up liberal hack, and doesnt even have the balls to own who he is.[/quote']

 

even if he was straight liberal, idc...my issue atm is the fact of how his hatred is blinding him, and that is ruining america...we are strong BECOUSE of our differences! thats what makes america great! but we have this division, that people are blind of the REAL ISSUES becouse of this division! i mean dang, this issue with benghazi isnt a red or blue thing its a issue with our country as a whole and he tried to say "oh republicans blah blah"...like wtf....smh

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No' date=' they did their duty to help their fellow men and the obama team left them hanging because it wasnt politically expedient to help. Their blood is on obama's hands.

[b']

Real soldiers ignore orders to do what is right - something you clearly dont have the slightest clue about[/b].

 

And there is proof you are not, never have been or ever will be a soldier. You play too many video games and watch too many films. Stick to throwing spears.

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And there is proof you are not' date=' never have been or ever will be a soldier. You play too many video games and watch too many films. Stick to throwing spears.[/quote']

 

no, this shows how much of a loser you are....

 

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/e/ed-freeman.htm

 

 

read about that brave man right there...hes a true ****ing hero....you are a loser

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And there is proof you are not' date=' never have been or ever will be a soldier. You play too many video games and watch too many films. Stick to throwing spears.[/quote']

 

I have real world combat experience, you merely have internet warrior experience...any day in my boots when I was in Afghanistan woulda made your ******* puckered and sent you crying for your mommy.

 

And if you think soldiers dont get rewarded for ignoring orders to save their men, I suggest you google this guy...

 

Dakota Meyer

 

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even if he was straight liberal' date=' idc...my issue atm is the fact of how his hatred is blinding him, and that is ruining america...we are strong BECOUSE of our differences! thats what makes america great! but we have this division, that people are blind of the REAL ISSUES becouse of this division! i mean dang, this issue with benghazi isnt a red or blue thing its a issue with our country as a whole and he tried to say "oh republicans blah blah"...like wtf....smh[/quote']

 

I'm not a straight liberal either. I criticize the **** out of Obama, just not on these wannabe "October surprise" psuedo-scandals. What I can say, however, is that you right leaners can't and will not do the same. Romney is your savior from the big bad, atheist, Muslim, Kenyan, socialist, communist, Nazi black president who can do no wrong. Even though the record reflects otherwise. It's absolutely disgusting that many of you are jumping to conclusions based on Fox propaganda in an election season before letting the investigation play out the facts. Which proves that most of you are delusional fanatics on many different levels.

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even if he was straight liberal' date=' idc...my issue atm is the fact of how his hatred is blinding him, and that is ruining america...we are strong BECOUSE of our differences! thats what makes america great! but we have this division, that people are blind of the REAL ISSUES becouse of this division! i mean dang, this issue with benghazi isnt a red or blue thing its a issue with our country as a whole and he tried to say "oh republicans blah blah"...like wtf....smh[/quote']

 

TBH, that doesnt surprise me. However, seeing as how he claims to have been SSG with MI and yet he has no idea how many options the military has for a scenario like this makes me wonder what kind of poser he really is.

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I'm not a straight liberal either. I criticize the **** out of Obama' date=' just not on these wannabe "October surprise" psuedo-scandals. What I can say, however, is that you right leaners can't and will not do the same. Romney is your savior from the big bad, atheist, Muslim, Kenyan, socialist, communist, Nazi black president who can do no wrong. Even though the record reflects otherwise. It's absolutely disgusting that many of you are jumping to conclusions based on Fox propaganda in an election season before letting the investigation play out the facts. Which proves that most of you are delusional fanatics on many different levels.[/quote']

 

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go away' date=' you are unable to contribute and as such any post from you is a waste; go chat in one of those meaningless troll threads you normally frequent.[/quote']

 

hey crybaby ive already proved your full of **** so i dont need to anymore

 

kevbo is completely right

 

cant handle that? well

 

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I'm not a straight liberal either. I criticize the **** out of Obama' date=' just not on these wannabe "October surprise" psuedo-scandals. What I can say, however, is that you right leaners can't and will not do the same. Romney is your savior from the big bad, atheist, Muslim, Kenyan, socialist, communist, Nazi black president who can do no wrong. Even though the record reflects otherwise. It's absolutely disgusting that many of you are jumping to conclusions based on Fox propaganda in an election season before letting the investigation play out the facts. Which proves that most of you are delusional fanatics on many different levels.[/quote']

 

my facts come from more than fox....this **** has been proven facts... and what does it matter if it came from fox?

 

and wrong, if it was a republican, i would be tearing his *** up....when bush did stupid **** including to go to war in iraq i was not for it...so no...stop making assumptions about what i would and wouldnt do

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Normally, I would disagree with DL4 and most of what he says I do disagree with. This time is not one of those times.

I am with DL4 here.

 

FoxNews, CNN, October sensationalism, whatever - the facts are that our men were being attacked, and the proper response was NOT made out of misplaced fear, terrible policy, political correctness, or all of the above.

 

Is it the presidents fault? eh - I doubt he even got a phone call until the fight was over. However, he is still the chief, and despite what he says on TV, the buck does stop with HIM.

 

I bet he still beats Romney though. Say what you will, but I still don't put Romney ahead in this election.

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my facts come from more than fox....this **** has been proven facts... and what does it matter if it came from fox?

 

and wrong' date=' if it was a republican, i would be tearing his *** up....when bush did stupid **** including to go to war in iraq i was not for it...so no...stop making assumptions about what i would and wouldnt do[/quote']

 

Why does it matter? Fox is a rightwing propaganda machine that in no way can be considered "news." Your other sources consist of fanatical "conservative" blogs. Neither of which are known for facts.

 

As for your last statement, prove it. Romney has given you plenty of things to criticize. Do it.

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my facts come from more than fox....this **** has been proven facts... and what does it matter if it came from fox?

 

and wrong' date=' if it was a republican, i would be tearing his *** up....when bush did stupid **** including to go to war in iraq i was not for it...so no...stop making assumptions about what i would and wouldnt do[/quote']

 

 

Dont let him distract you; this has nothing to do with Fox, Romney or Republicans - the simple fact is, this is a real problem and hes desperately trying to find a way to spin this around.

 

Actually, I take part of that back; this is in part about Fox News, as they are the only network doing any significant coverage on this while all the other state run media sources do the administrations bidding.

 

The simple fact is, Kevbo has no insight or understanding as to how these scenarios work within the military, and as such he defaults to his canned political talking points.

 

Kev is a poser both from his military background he claims to have as well as his political ideology he claims.

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Normally' date=' I would disagree with DL4 and most of what he says I do disagree with. This time is not one of those times.

I am with DL4 here.

 

[b']FoxNews, CNN, October sensationalism, whatever - the facts are that our men were being attacked, and the proper response was NOT made out of misplaced fear, terrible policy, political correctness, or all of the above.

 

Is it the presidents fault? eh - I doubt he even got a phone call until the fight was over. However, he is still the chief, and despite what he says on TV, the buck does stop with HIM.[/b]

 

I bet he still beats Romney though. Say what you will, but I still don't put Romney ahead in this election.

 

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Normally' date=' I would disagree with DL4 and most of what he says I do disagree with. This time is not one of those times.

I am with DL4 here.

 

FoxNews, CNN, October sensationalism, whatever - the facts are that our men were being attacked, and the proper response was NOT made out of misplaced fear, terrible policy, political correctness, or all of the above.

 

Is it the presidents fault? eh - I doubt he even got a phone call until the fight was over. However, he is still the chief, and despite what he says on TV, the buck does stop with HIM.

 

I bet he still beats Romney though. Say what you will, but I still don't put Romney ahead in this election.[/quote']

 

 

Thats a stand up thing for you to say, I will remember that.

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Why does it matter? Fox is a rightwing propaganda machine that in no way can be considered "news." Your other sources consist of fanatical "conservative" blogs. Neither of which are known for facts.

 

As for your last statement' date=' prove it. Romney has given you plenty of things to criticize. Do it.[/quote']

 

off topic, always do this and im ignoring you now...smh

 

blind....so sad

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