bluesy Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He clearly had many opportunities to sink in a submission, but he's content to just GNP, even though he knows he can't finish the fight like that. He talks about getting better, but this is just the same guy who beat on Kongo for three rounds years ago. Cain's biggest weapon is his pace and aggression, but what happens if he were to fight someone like Jones who could keep that forward movement in check with his arsenal of diverse strikes; match and maybe even outwork him in wrestling; and give him a run for his money in cardio? He just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's determined to add new levels to his game. He just has this no-nonsense style that works well for him and he won't ever get too far beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Polo_Hermano Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He clearly had many opportunities to sink in a submission' date=' but he's content to just GNP, even though he knows he can't finish the fight like that. He talks about getting better, but this is just the same guy who beat on Kongo for three rounds years ago. Cain's biggest weapon is his pace and aggression, but what happens if he were to fight someone like Jones who could keep that forward movement in check with his arsenal of diverse strikes; match and maybe even outwork him in wrestling; and give him a run for his money in cardio? He just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's determined to add new levels to his game. He just has this no-nonsense style that works well for him and he won't ever get too far beyond that.[/quote'] He is currently wearing the belt. He took it back from the guy who KO'd him and pretty much everyone else in the division. I'd say hes doing pretty well. Interesting his performance last night caused you to criticize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He is currently wearing the belt. He took it back from the guy who KO'd him and pretty much everyone else in the division. I'd say hes doing pretty well. Interesting his performance last night caused you to criticize him. Not so much a criticism, but an observation. Everyone is riding high on what he did, but that's just business as usual on the forums and in the press. Don't get me wrong, he's a beast, but looking back and ahead you can still put things in context without being negative or whatever. The reality is, his performance and game hasn't changed a whole lot. That's not necessarily a knock, but it's not exactly flattering, either. Yea, he's holding the belt now, but how far he can go with it remains to be seen. There's still a lot to prove, but that doesn't mean he sucks or is overrated. I admire what he did last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He missed alot of opportunities to end the fight. He had many chances for the KO and sub, but did not take them. Why? It's not as if Cain lacks killer instinct. I can't figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team_spahr Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Id agree with the thread slightly. But its not a concern Cain, or his fans should have. Realistically, he has to be more tired in those deeper rounds even if his appearance looks like a fresh round 1 Velasquez, making it harder to go for the finish. That mixed with the fact he is dealing with a guy that KOd him and has KOd many others, why get risky when you are in 100% control. I think JDS just didnt wilt completely to force the TKO, most other HWs break and turtle to take the easy way out. He finishes 90% of the division with a performance like that. But I do agree, maybe adding a wrinkle of a submission game wouldnt hurt. As long as it doesnt take away from the part of his game that he does best, which is break dudes with pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He missed alot of opportunities to end the fight. He had many chances for the KO and sub' date=' but did not take them. Why? It's not as if Cain lacks killer instinct. I can't figure it out.[/quote'] At the end of the 3rd round i was scratching my head why JDS was still standing... If JDS, Overeem, Mir, Carwin, Nelson or most other top10 HWs. had an opponent that badly hurt, they would have finished the fight.. I know JDS is made of steel but still he should have been sleeping by the end of the 3rd... Cain just don't have the KO power or maybe will to spend his last energy on flyrries i think.. And it is a shame.. Cause the bonus of HW fights is that they tend to end in vicious KOs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Cain looked to me like he wanted to remain in control rather then mess with any potential jits JDS had. He would much rather maintain turtle position then try to take the back and get swept off. It was a smart decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Cain looked to me like he wanted to remain in control rather then mess with any potential jits JDS had. He would much rather maintain turtle position then try to take the back and get swept off. It was a smart decision. smart? probably.. fan-winning? not so much Cain was called "mr pillowfists" before the Nog fight... he should work hard to avoid that nickname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 smart? probably..fan-winning? not so much Cain was called "mr pillowfists" before the Nog fight... he should work hard to avoid that nickname Smart wasnt a compliment lol Bendo fights smart and that ish pisses me off lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I wonder how many of the critics (couch warriors), here ever fought even one true round of full contact MMA, let alone a whole five... A lot of the "fans", make me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He just beat the **** out of a guy most MMA fans thought was unbeatable and your asking is he evolving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He just beat the **** out of a guy most MMA fans thought was unbeatable and your asking is he evolving? rofl epic pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 he just beat the **** out of a guy most mma fans thought was unbeatable and your asking is he evolving? lmfao!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He just beat the **** out of a guy most MMA fans thought was unbeatable and your asking is he evolving? he a) did not finish the fight did not do much /after the 2nd round) except wrestle and throw weak punches yes he won, but he did not explode like he did against Bigfoot, and he did not go into "i will break you" mode like against Lesnar.. he just contently smached JDS in the face for 5 rounds (which is impressive)...To make it simple.. he did not "blow the fans away".. he just won by domination... people must seperate by thoise who allways complains unless there is a KO of doom, and us who just expect a "kill" when a fighter is dominating like Cain was yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He just beat the **** out of a guy most MMA fans thought was unbeatable and your asking is he evolving? That is a great picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman20 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I wonder how many of the critics (couch warriors)' date=' here ever fought even one true round of full contact MMA, let alone a whole five... A lot of the "fans", make me sick.[/quote'] doesn't matter people are paying to watch so if they wanna say something they have a right too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 hea) did not finish the fight did not do much /after the 2nd round) except wrestle and throw weak punches yes he won' date=' but he did not explode like he did against Bigfoot, and he did not go into "i will break you" mode like against Lesnar.. he just contently smached JDS in the face for 5 rounds (which is impressive)...To make it simple.. he did not "blow the fans away".. he just won by domination... people must seperate by thoise who allways complains unless there is a KO of doom, and us who just expect a "kill" when a fighter is dominating like Cain was yesterday[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 But I do have some criticisim for the rules that should be changed IMO. They should allow soccer kicks and knees tto a downed opponent like in Pride. In the first round Cain was pushing forward all thetime and going for TD every time he came close to JDS. JDS defended almost all of them and couldnt capitalize while Cain was lying on the floor beacuse of the rules. Why is that a wrestler can just fall to the ground all the time and doesnt have to worry about anything, and at the same time they dont allow the striker to use his full arsenal? They clearly favour the wrestlers. Doesnt seem fair to me. Still I dont want to take anything away from Cain he is a monster but rules should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He clearly had many opportunities to sink in a submission' date=' but he's content to just GNP, even though he knows he can't finish the fight like that. He talks about getting better, but this is just the same guy who beat on Kongo for three rounds years ago. Cain's biggest weapon is his pace and aggression, but what happens if he were to fight someone like Jones who could keep that forward movement in check with his arsenal of diverse strikes; match and maybe even outwork him in wrestling; and give him a run for his money in cardio? He just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's determined to add new levels to his game. He just has this no-nonsense style that works well for him and he won't ever get too far beyond that.[/quote'] HeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO, McFly. Cain has added kickboxing with a relentless cardio wrestling pace. Did you not see Cain has developed effective head kicks that probably broke JDS's jaw?????????????????? What wrestler do you know can effectively kickbox????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN_FDU Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 He clearly had many opportunities to sink in a submission' date=' but he's content to just GNP, even though he knows he can't finish the fight like that. He talks about getting better, but this is just the same guy who beat on Kongo for three rounds years ago. Cain's biggest weapon is his pace and aggression, but what happens if he were to fight someone like Jones who could keep that forward movement in check with his arsenal of diverse strikes; match and maybe even outwork him in wrestling; and give him a run for his money in cardio? He just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's determined to add new levels to his game. He just has this no-nonsense style that works well for him and he won't ever get too far beyond that.[/quote'] Yup. He won't get too far with that style except for being a champion. Yup, that's not very far at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 But I do have some criticisim for the rules that should be changed IMO. They should allow soccer kicks and knees tto a downed opponent like in Pride. In the first round Cain was pushing forward all thetime and going for TD every time he came close to JDS. JDS defended almost all of them and couldnt capitalize while Cain was lying on the floor beacuse of the rules.Why is that a wrestler can just fall to the ground all the time and doesnt have to worry about anything' date=' and at the same time they dont allow the striker to use his full arsenal? They clearly favour the wrestlers. Doesnt seem fair to me. Still I dont want to take anything away from Cain he is a monster but rules should be changed.[/quote'] No, no, no, no, and no. Do you want to ruin a superbly developed DW and Zuffa MMA sport by causing mma fighters to end up with brain damage after one fight of soccer kicks? Get real, we do not live during gladiatorial, human **** fighting times. UFC mma is a sport as much as boxing, olympic Tae Kwon Do, and Greco Roman wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 No' date=' no, no, no, and no. Do you want to ruin a superbly developed DW and Zuffa MMA sport by causing mma fighters to end up with brain damage after one fight of soccer kicks? Get real, we do not live during gladiatorial, human **** fighting times. UFC mma is a sport as much as boxing, olympic Tae Kwon Do, and Greco Roman wrestling.[/quote'] A CroCop head kick or a flying knee do just as much damage as a soccer kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Cain was clearly pacing himself and trying not to leave himself open. JDS was still throwing things back when he had space and if Cain was to get ahead of himself and just throw things back recklessly he would end up out cold again. I think the fact he went for an armbar shows he is still adding to his arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 A CroCop head kick or a flying knee do just as much damage as a soccer kick. I beg to differ. it's easier to kick a head or soccer ball that is at floor level, so more force is actually generated with soccer kicks. it's a cheap move that's why it's not allowed. let me dumb it down for you. it's a self-defense move, which every smart person knows should not be allowed in an mma sport. and yeah, i think elbows on the ground should not be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePack19 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Cain was clearly pacing himself and trying not to leave himself open. JDS was still throwing things back when he had space and if Cain was to get ahead of himself and just throw things back recklessly he would end up out cold again. I think the fact he went for an armbar shows he is still adding to his arsenal. Agree. I believe deep down Cain was nervous right up to the fight and all the sudden it is going his way and he lands a punch that drops JDS......has what is called an "andrenaline dump".....so it kind of sapped his energy. And worried about getting too ahead of himself and getting caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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