Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 A must watch for everyone who's been discussing gun control on this forum. Thank Josh Barnett for tweeting this. EDIT: Couple more video that breakdown the situation perfectly IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyhuggers Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Shared to my FB page, good vid. Thanks for sharing SN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Anyone not trying to push an agenda is completely aware of the data espoused in this video. It was a good watch none the less. Bravo SN, bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Old news. Oakland, California is more dangerous today then it's ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Old news. Oakland' date=' California is more dangerous today then it's ever been.[/quote'] It would be more dangerous if the gang bangers were given free run on a defenseless population. It's ok though, you don't have to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 It would be more dangerous if the gang bangers were given free run on a defenseless population. It's ok though' date=' you don't have to admit it.[/quote'] I only worry about stray bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 That's interesting information, however I will say that: the uk has 650 people per square mile whereas the united states has 84 people per square mile http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934666.html although america could have more of the bigger pockets of people, uk may still have plenty of overcrowded places. EDIT: But what he said at the end of the video is undoubtedly the thing governing bodies should be focusing on. Seems america is already doing a good job of that seeing as overall violent crime is down per 100k. However humans gonna human, they're always gonna have those few that go crazy, and having guns around will keep that murder rate up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 That's interesting information' date=' however I will say that: the uk has 650 people per square mile whereas the united states has 84 people per square mile http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934666.html although america could have more of the bigger pockets of people, uk may still have plenty of overcrowded places. EDIT: But what he said at the end of the video is undoubtedly the thing governing bodies should be focusing on. Seems america is already doing a good job of that seeing as overall violent crime is down per 100k. However humans gonna human, they're always gonna have those few that go crazy, and having guns around will keep that murder rate up.[/quote'] what you say about per square mile may be true but its still not accurate to judge whether crime is high or not. I think the guy explained it pretty well and gave good examples with the extremely populated cities. Of course we're gonna have a lot less per square mile when we have so much more land than the UK... UK: 94,526 square miles US: 3,794,083 square miles. Im all for having some sort of lisence for a weapon like you would with a car. Take a written test, field test, and mental evaluation. But what some of these anti gun people are proposing is absolutely ludicrous. They don't know what they're talking about. Its an outstanding number of people who own guns legally and there's never a problem. But right away when a couple psycho's go off people look to blame everyone and everything else except that individual person and/or their mental health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 what you say about per square mile may be true but its still not accurate to judge whether crime is high or not. I think the guy explained it pretty well and gave good examples with the extremely populated cities. Of course we're gonna have a lot less per square mile when we have so much more land than the UK... UK: 94' date='526 square miles US: 3,794,083 square miles. Im all for having some sort of lisence for a weapon like you would with a car. Take a written test, field test, and mental evaluation. But what some of these anti gun people are proposing is absolutely ludicrous. They don't know what they're talking about. Its an outstanding number of people who own guns legally and there's never a problem. But right away when a couple psycho's go off people look to blame everyone and everything else except that individual person and/or their mental health.[/quote'] Mental evals wouldn't work and infringe upon constitutional rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I would take a higher violent crime rate over a higher murder rate all day every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I would take a higher violent crime rate over a higher murder rate all day every day. your missing part of the point of what he said....The point of the vid i think you missed is at the 4:05 mark. He explains murder rate pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 How come there are different statistics coming from different government agencies? FBI says down, Bureau of Justice says up. Don't just pick one team and run with it to suit your agenda. What makes one group of statistics BS but not another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 How come there are different statistics coming from different government agencies? FBI says down, Bureau of Justice says up. Don't just pick one team and run with it to suit your agenda. What makes one group of statistics BS but not another? up from what? the passed 2 years? the passed 2 months? the passed 2 days? Need specifics. He gave specifics in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 According to BoJ, violent crime is up in the US 18% from 2010 to 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 According to BoJ, violent crime is up in the US 18% from 2010 to 2011. do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Sure, just don't go ballistic on me like some others here... and it's 17%, not 18. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 lol i won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Okay, so we had an 18% spike...not good but its nothing compared to the progress we've made. I mean its all in the link you provided.... With that 18% increase from 2010-2011 is still a 22% decrease from 2002. Also, according to that chart its a 70% decrease from 1993!!! Why isn't that being talked about. Yet all you hear is about how violent we are. Thats where the real propaganda comes into play with the media. Yea we're gonna have spikes here and there, its normal in a country as big as ours....but on a whole we've haven't been as violent as people are saying. Its misinformation at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I know that overall its down, but some people like to ignore or deny that it actually went up last year, and 18% isn't a small amount from one year to the next IMO. If that's even true. Most importantly to me, is that both of these government agencies are reporting conflicting information. I would like to know which is correct and which is BS because I don't have an agenda to push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not really sure how I am missing the point of what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The Second Amendment guarantees the RIGHT to own and keep firearms. Driving is not a right. Driving is a privalege. Keeping firearms is a RIGHT, therefore you cannot require testing or special licensing to enjoy that right. Not legally anyways. Another area where people go wrong is when they question the private ownership of firearms on a "needs" basis vs risk. "Need" is irrelevant. Present day practicality is irrelevant. That's why it's called the Bill of Rights instead of the Bill of Needs, like the Marxists would prefer. I can make a case that the right of free speech is more responsible for deaths than the Second Amendment, but nobody is ever going to propose we license forum posters. I can also prove that revoking the PRIVALEGE of operating personal vehicles would drastically reduce the annual death rates, but there again you will never hear anyone trying to ban cars although. Instead we force car companies to meet fuel standards which in turn force them to produce cars and trucks that weigh less and demonstratively and directly results in more deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Your argument fails whenever you use a completely unrelated topic to prove your argument. It comes down to intent. Most gun deaths are intentional, auto deaths are accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krendo Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 When Grand Theft Auto 5 comes out, ****s gonna hit the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Intent has no bearing on a natural born right. My intent while posting this doesn't matter in relation to my right to do so. Intent only matters in reference to a crime. Owning a gun is not a crime. All gun owners are not criminals. All guns do not end up killing someone either. If the topic is premature deaths and how to slow them then it is not unrelated to compare the two. Some car deaths ARE intentional fyi. It doesn't mean the rest of us should be restricted of use or ownership. My big point was that driving is not a right at all and could be revoked or restricted more easily than a guaranteed right such as the Second Amendment while also yielding greater life preserving results. It's fact. However, most people would rather have the freedom to drive how, when, and what they choose despite the risks. Not that it matters. It's almost as if you're saying that if more gun deaths were accidental instead of murder or suicide you'd be ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 test post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 oh and 2nd amenment is the ****. People tryin to say guns are bad are retarded....the second amendment is to protect us from tyranical govt, and street thugs...its not for duck hunting....look at violant crime in unarmed countries then come talk to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 More people were killed with knives than rifles last year. Those cases didn't get the tv time though, so we're all just going to pretend the new epidemic is semi automatic rifles. Under the same logic it seems to me that subway trains should be a major concern. Those incidents weren't accidents AND they made tv. If only the Marxists viewed subway trains as obstructive to their utopian masterplanning like they do firearms....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 When somebody pushes twenty 6 and 7 year old kids in front of a subway train at the same time, then your argument will be valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 oh and 2nd amenment is the ****. People tryin to say guns are bad are retarded....the second amendment is to protect us from tyranical govt, and street thugs...its not for duck hunting....look at violant crime in unarmed countries then come talk to me... lmfao! looks like someone saw Pierce Morgan vs Alex Jones! As crazy as Alex Jones is....there's a solid point to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 oh and 2nd amenment is the ****. People tryin to say guns are bad are retarded....the second amendment is to protect us from tyranical govt, and street thugs...its not for duck hunting....look at violant crime in unarmed countries then come talk to me... lmfao! looks like someone saw Pierce Morgan vs Alex Jones! As crazy as Alex Jones is....there's a solid point to it. very much so, but thats my main view on it anyway.... He had a horrible approach by yelling and acting crazy but his message had truth in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 yup, i mean the whole reason they had him on the show was so they'd get someone to act like that and help Morgan's agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 When somebody pushes twenty 6 and 7 year old kids in front of a subway train at the same time, then your argument will be valid. When mass child shootings with rifles account for more than 1% of murders your arguement will be closer to valid. It will still be unConstitutional though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 When somebody pushes twenty 6 and 7 year old kids in front of a subway train at the same time, then your argument will be valid. When mass child shootings with rifles account for more than 1% of murders your arguement will be closer to valid. It will still be unConstitutional though. So 20 is OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 When mass child shootings with rifles account for more than 1% of murders your arguement will be closer to valid. It will still be unConstitutional though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So 20 is OK? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's not ok, but it's not epidemic, it's not the norm, and it's not preventable through "gun control." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 When mass child shootings with rifles account for more than 1% of murders your arguement will be closer to valid. It will still be unConstitutional though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So 20 is OK? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's not ok, but it's not epidemic, it's not the norm, and it's not preventable through "gun control." I think it's becoming an epidemic. Gun control (not gun bans) will work, but it will be a long, slow process. There are so many guns in America that slowing down the out of control sales of guns will take some time to be effective, but after several years there will be a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. And mental health evals along with qualification training every year or 5 years is not plausible. There is no way to enforce it and most people would scoff at the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. And mental health evals along with qualification training every year or 5 years is not plausible. There is no way to enforce it and most people would scoff at the idea. California has some restrictions, waiting periods, etc., but when you can just go out of state, California is fighting a losing battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. And mental health evals along with qualification training every year or 5 years is not plausible. There is no way to enforce it and most people would scoff at the idea. California has some restrictions, waiting periods, etc., but when you can just go out of state, California is fighting a losing battle. Most of the school shootings have been planned for months or even years so a waiting period wouldn't help that, also most of the guns are owned by parents or siblings and not by the shooters themselves. A lot of the other street violence is from stolen or blackmarket guns as well. All states already have restrictions and background checks to buy guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have a no tolerance for aholes who want to trample my rights to give themselves a false sense of security. Gun control advocates can all go straight to Hell as far as I'm concerned. Not another inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Epidemic does not equate to >1%. Rifles equal less than 1% and this guy "feels" it's epidemic. Sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 What did the theatre shooter say when he was captured? "From my cold, dead hands." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRIDEneverDIED Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. And mental health evals along with qualification training every year or 5 years is not plausible. There is no way to enforce it and most people would scoff at the idea. there is no plausible way to prevent this...these situations aren't plausible...honest but harsh truth is you cant prevent this type of thing...sorry i know it sucks but its true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Another great breakdown of the truth with this situation.....Another MUST WATCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 If there's one thing to take away from the above video its : American ranks #1 in the world for gun ownership yet rank #28 in the world for gun homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. Simple... Make the process for getting a gun MUCH more thorough 1. make each person complete a criminal and mental health background check 2. make each person register their gun 3. make each person complete a test and sign off that they will keep their guns locked up and separate from their ammunition The last thing that needs to be done is people need to stop glamorizing guns...all this talk about how cool everyone's guns are and how crazy people are getting because they might lose the ability to own 5,000 guns is so f'in retarded. What the **** is so problematic about having less guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Oh and last but not least, this comes down to INDIVIDUALS. We all as a society should make a conscious effort to reduce how many guns are being consumed and be better to each other. It's so ****in annoying to see a school shooting of 6-year olds result in people wanting to buy more guns. Have a ****in heart and stop acting like your passion in life is guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 What did the theatre shooter say when he was captured? "From my cold, dead hands." Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 The anti gun people keep preaching gun control but there hasn't been one plausible post on what to do to prevent these things from happening. Simple... Make the process for getting a gun MUCH more thorough 1. make each person complete a criminal and mental health background check 2. make each person register their gun 3. make each person complete a test and sign off that they will keep their guns locked up and separate from their ammunition The last thing that needs to be done is people need to stop glamorizing guns...all this talk about how cool everyone's guns are and how crazy people are getting because they might lose the ability to own 5,000 guns is so f'in retarded. What the **** is so problematic about having less guns? The reality is ....the majority of places in the country DO exactly what you just said. Its a small minority that doesn't. Please watch that video i just posted. This is not a gun ownership issue. Yes a lot of places could use stricter gun control, especially at some of these conventions....But not country wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 SteelerNation43">Yes a lot of places could use stricter gun control, especially at some of these conventions....But not country wide. I agree with this 100% I'm not saying to do away with the constitution, or not take the neccessary measures to change something in it. But I do think we should just be intelligent about this and realize that it makes all the sense in the world to button up loose ends and make PROGRESS towards getting guns out of the hands of criminals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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