TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Whatever the hell that a born again christian is, my jimmies are officially rustled. dont even ask me for a source. look for yourselves. its all over the internet. it will never get the media hype that snoop dogg got when he announced he was quitting smoking weed. and we all know how that played out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Does that mean Eminem has gone crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Hailie's dad gon' crazy. Also, I don't give a ****. WAR EM!!! GOAT rapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Whatever the hell that a born again christian is, my jimmies are officially rustled. dont even ask me for a source. look for yourselves. its all over the internet. it will never get the media hype that snoop dogg got when he announced he was quitting smoking weed. and we all know how that played out Born again Christians become born again because they died on the inside at some point. This happens to allot of people. Life deals them a bad hand and there's organized religion to swoop in and prey on them. I'm not a fan of organized religion because I feel it takes advantage of people and I'm very sad for Eminem. I wish he could of sorted out his issues without falling into something (in my opinion) as brain dead as organized religion. I thought he was smarter than that. There's a reason why you won't see people with personal issues getting sucked into organized religion. The reason? They're not vularnable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I remember MJK from Tool successfully trolling the same thing on an April Fools day a few years back ... was pretty successful .. a lot of people didn't get the April 1st connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wesley_of_Wells Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Eeeeeepiiiiiiic Raaap Baaaatlllllles of Histoooryyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! God vs. Emineeeeeeeeeem!! Begin!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOTMF Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I don't mind someone having faith in an organized religion as long as they use it for good. Whether someone is weak-minded or not, faith can help you get through tough times. Is organized religion a bad influence, sometimes, but other times it can bring humanity together. It's all in what you choose to do with it. I am not a religious person in terms of organized religion, but i'm a spiritual person and I understand all the negative things organized religion can do. Do I believe in the end the world would be a better place without organized religion, probably, then it might allow spirituality to be the most important thing and not what religion you belong to. But if there wasn't so much corruption and power in organized religion, it wouldn't be so bad. Bottom line, if people become more spiritual beings as opposed to just followers of a religion, then it wouldn't matter which religion you chose to believe because you would respect each persons choice and even love and celebrate with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 i swear i made this thread before but it disappeared. lovely new forum system weve got here. What the hell is that? a born again christian??? did he already die or something, pay his dues to proof from d12, smoke up with pac and biggie and decide to be resurrected?? man this is whack. whats up with these rappers these days? last i heard snoop doggy dogg, or snoop dogg, or snoop lion. or whatever the hell he calls himself these days is claiming he is the reincarnation of some rastafarian god, and now this? eminem selling out to the church? Whats next? Justin Beiber starts a heavy metal band? http://globalgrind.com/music/eminem-born-again-christian-religon-details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 its on the same ****ing page ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 i cant see it! not even in my own posting history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 oh there it is. what a miracle! right after i already posted this, it comes back to life. well that really rustles my jimmies. looks like we've got ourselves a born again thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 the only thing that ive learned from religion that its okay to fondle little boys. just as long as i'm part of the church. and if i rape some little girl and she gets pregnant, that was gods choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EightLimbAssassin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 the only thing that ive learned from religion that its okay to fondle little boys. just as long as i'm part of the church. and if i rape some little girl and she gets pregnant, that was gods choice. Thats because your a simple minded fool. The whole fondle little boys thing is old and played out. Just because one or a few is doing it doesnt mean everybody is doing it. Is every married guy a cheater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 one or a few?? whenever you hear about a little boy getting molested 9 times out of 10 there is something involving the church behind it. don't you find that just a little strange? and instead of putting them in jail, they protect the guy and move him around. crazy world out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakenshi1243 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The fact that there are atheist rapists and pedophiles automatically disapproves a connection between the church and immorality. Out of the million Catholics, Jews, and Muslims, along with countless pagan religions, you really think all members are saints? Come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 yeah but its not ironic when an atheist mollests your child. at least not in the sense that you spend your mornings at bible study teaching people to praise the lord and beg forgiveness for your sins and that he will save you from the devil, and then spending afternoons mollesting little children. I aint religious or nothing, but wouldnt touching little boys be considered a sin? like if there really is a god you preach of up there in the sky looking down on you and placing judgement, dont you think youre going to hell for that??? meanwhile teaching everybody else to live by your values just so you can be considered a good person and go to heaven instead of hell? religion ****s with peoples heads and teaches people how to hate and be ignorant towards other people who dont have the same values, all over some theoretical bull**** storybook one dude wrote a thousand years ago that can never be proven. nothing more, nothing less.. people believe the damndest things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 wtf is in the air? can we redirect the pedo conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakenshi1243 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I don't find it ironic at all, I just don't believe that a priest who molests boys or girls is a man of god. People lie all the time, why is the church supposed to be an exception? It's a very large collection of individuals, of course there are liars, rapists, murderers and adulterers. People tend to blame Christianity for terrible acts, but never mind the fact that we've been ****ing **** up since.. Well.. Ever. EDIT: Sorry Sober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 everybodies ****ed in the head one way or another if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EightLimbAssassin Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 one or a few?? whenever you hear about a little boy getting molested 9 times out of 10 there is something involving the church behind it. don't you find that just a little strange? and instead of putting them in jail, they protect the guy and move him around. crazy world out there. Haha 9/10? Its not even 9/10,000. And i tend to agree with Rakenshi here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 How come when Priests rape boys, even though they have been in the church for 20/30+ years, they are not men of God? I am not saying being a Priest means you Rape little boys, But when the priest do it and the Church helps cover it up, move them around to avoid detection only to have those same sick ****s do it some more, I would say the Church can take responsibility for the lives they ruined. Morals are not attached to Religion, if they were, this world would be a whole lot more ****ed up than it is. I do find it funny how hypocritical Religions are. Cherry pick their own book and push that, but ignore all the **** that makes them look stupid. Carry on with the BS, people will defend or Deny religions to the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Rumor meter: 10/10 http://www.gossipcop.com/eminem-born-again-christian-christianity-converting-religion/ Gossip Cop had serious doubts about this tale, so we checked in with a rep for Eminem, who tells us it’s absolutely “untrue” that the rapper has become a Born Again Christian. This rumor is based on lyrics he made in 1996... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_o_R Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 on the third day Em' rose from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Jesus and Cheez-its rhyme perfectly ... jus sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 well snoop dogg changed his name to snoop lion after he got the revelation that he was the reincarnation of some rasta god didnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krendo Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 on the third day Em' rose from the dead. He can't eat M&M's anymore cause they keep falling through the holes in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilogue1406051983 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 the problem with the church scandal is that it's more than just the kids... its that the church as a whole turned their backs on the children and put their support behind those degenerates that should have been cast out and exposed for the pieces of **** they are... yeah, I agree you can't blame the whole for the crimes of the few for most things, but in this case, the church made themselves accountable when they decided to bury their heads in the sand and do nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesoulpower Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The fact that there are atheist rapists and pedophiles automatically disapproves a connection between the church and immorality. Out of the million Catholics, Jews, and Muslims, along with countless pagan religions, you really think all members are saints? Come on man. The difference is these guys that are molesting these boys are priests! They supposedly spread the word of god. People look to these priests for guidance!!!! If a country has governors/senators/ or even presidents that are raping boys and it happens multiple times don't you assume the country has to be a bunch of boy rapists? Hell they are listening to these influential people. Let me tell you right now the whole "all different types of people rape people not just priests" argument is retarded. So it's not worse for you guys who preach all of your bible bull**** ? You hold others to be accountable for their actions just when you religious folks **** up it's no big deal because everyone else does it. " I don't care how blissful it is--it's eternal. You'll get used to it, and then you'll be ****ing bored" -Jim Jeffries on how even going to heaven would even suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakenshi1243 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alright let's get something straight here, I don't protect criminals whether they're religious or not, a ****ing criminal is a criminal. I blame the INDIVIDUAL, not the entire church. I don't understand why you guys are so damn hellbent on not understanding that the Catholic Church also affects countless of individuals in a positive manner. This **** is ****ing absurd, quit blaming an entire organization for a few handful. Even the pope itself can be corrupted and still countless of priests will go out of the way to help those in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 i swear i made this thread before but it disappeared. lovely new forum system weve got here. What the hell is that? a born again christian??? did he already die or something, pay his dues to proof from d12, smoke up with pac and biggie and decide to be resurrected?? man this is whack. whats up with these rappers these days? last i heard snoop doggy dogg, or snoop dogg, or snoop lion. or whatever the hell he calls himself these days is claiming he is the reincarnation of some rastafarian god, and now this? eminem selling out to the church? Whats next? Justin Beiber starts a heavy metal band? http://globalgrind.com/music/eminem-born-again-christian-religon-details From my talks with a few the main ideal it to become "pure on the eyes if god" many girls do it to be able to claim they are a virgin when they have in fact had sex...its based of the ideal all you to do is repent and all sins are forgiven as if they never happened at all...I don't know people got that idea to begin with but the born again part is all that really I once had a debate with a born again on wither god would accept such a thing...while I peddler the idea that i don't know if he would....she peddled the idea that he would forgive as if it never happened At the end she looked like a fool cuz she was a ****s be4 but now claims (at the time) was a virgin from that point on and was saving her self for marriage...I asked her if with a clear heart could she tell be future husband that she was in fact a virgin and that he was her first,last,only ect ect...she said yes...can yoy believe it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alright let's get something straight here, I don't protect criminals whether they're religious or not, a ****ing criminal is a criminal. I blame the INDIVIDUAL, not the entire church. I don't understand why you guys are so damn hellbent on not understanding that the Catholic Church also affects countless of individuals in a positive manner. This **** is ****ing absurd, quit blaming an entire organization for a few handful. Even the pope itself can be corrupted and still countless of priests will go out of the way to help those in need. I can admit that the church does a lot of good for countless people across the planet, if you can admit that at the same time, the very religion you are a part of, does cowardly acts and pushes some very wrong morals on the same people you claim to help. Between the boys and the cover ups, the catholic and christian charities funnelling money away from its intended purpose, to pushing your religious views on a nation, to trying to force your way into bedrooms and sexual preference. Seriously, in this day and age, Gay marriage is something so many christians and catholics would vote against no matter who they elect. I can see the bad, but I also can see the good, and there is a lot of it. But please don't close your eyes and cherry pick the good of your religion and the book its based on when people use your religion to push the very bad of it as well. Think the westboro freaks. They use the same bible and look at the hate they spew from it. I will give them credit, they don't cherry pick, they follow the terms as they figure they were meant for back in year one, hypocrites no, ****ed up freaks who should be silence, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Sorry I should say that I am not saying you do or say those things, Christian and Catholics do in mass numbers. I know a few who believe in only the best parts of the book and ignore the bull**** and garbage. They are very good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alright let's get something straight here, I don't protect criminals whether they're religious or not, a ****ing criminal is a criminal. I blame the INDIVIDUAL, not the entire church. I don't understand why you guys are so damn hellbent on not understanding that the Catholic Church also affects countless of individuals in a positive manner. This **** is ****ing absurd, quit blaming an entire organization for a few handful. Even the pope itself can be corrupted and still countless of priests will go out of the way to help those in need. good response. i feel touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakenshi1243 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Sorry I should say that I am not saying you do or say those things, Christian and Catholics do in mass numbers. I know a few who believe in only the best parts of the book and ignore the bull**** and garbage. They are very good people. It's alright, I'm talking out of firsthand experience myself. I have found more lenient and caring Catholics than the bigoted counterparts personally. And I'm not excluding the fact that some wrongdoings does happen in the church, but this is the same as Mormon fundamentalists giving the rest of the Mormon church terrible rep, although they've been excommunicated by the "prophet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesoulpower Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alright let's get something straight here, I don't protect criminals whether they're religious or not, a ****ing criminal is a criminal. I blame the INDIVIDUAL, not the entire church. I don't understand why you guys are so damn hellbent on not understanding that the Catholic Church also affects countless of individuals in a positive manner. This **** is ****ing absurd, quit blaming an entire organization for a few handful. Even the pope itself can be corrupted and still countless of priests will go out of the way to help those in need. No, you may not "protect" the criminal you rationalize what they have done which is just as bad. Remember that time you said something along the lines of there's no correlation between Catholics being rapists because atheists rape boys too? You are part of an organization this is true. Some might assume you guys support boy rapists which is bad. The people you listen to in church which you are supposed to take an example from rape boys on occasion but the people listening aren't supporting a bunch of boy rapers (who pays those priests bills?). It would be crazy to assume the audience supports them. Going a little off topic but did you know that you are dramatically more likely to do drugs if your parents/brothers/sisters and friends do drugs? This is due to they influence your every day decisions. A lot of bad organizations help people too. Look at the medellin cartel they helped a ton of people in South America.They also ruined the lives of millions.(thank god religion could never do this ) So I take it if you were alive in the 1940's you would have assumed that all Nazi's weren't bad? Let me tell you right now if I were part of an "organization" which I never will be because the whole idea of being apart of an "organization" to begin with is just sketch. After the 1st child rape I would make sure to put in a little more effort to investigate if there were any more. It seems as if everyone in the religious community was just like "meh just one guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 is it considered rape if you use duct tape before you proceed to wrap a vatican flag around her and **** her in the name of your god? that way she cant say no and all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesoulpower Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Seriously though how can someone tell me there organization does a lot of good when they would force a woman to have a child she never wanted because she was raped? Give me a ****ing break honestly. I have yet to see an Atheist protest a funeral of an army vet. I have yet to hear of an Atheist threatening to protest the Sandy Hook victims funerals. Religion may not be evil in theory but people use it to commit evil acts and I'm not allowed to get pissed at religious people for it. Sucks pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoPlataPus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 To begin, just to be open and so you know where I am coming from...I am a 100% unashamed Christian. Having said that...I thought I was going to read a little about Eminem and I quickly found this whole thread disturbing. I am not going to get much into debating about what the hot topic seems to be here...pedophiles...pedophiles are evil people and deserve to be punished and since their seems to be an emphasis on religion here...I don't care if they are Atheist, Muslim, Catholic or some other denomination and what some in the Catholic Church did to protect some of these people is disgusting and will be dealt with God. As a Christian I believe the Bible and when it says: "You will know them by their fruits...Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them." Just because someone claims they are something does not make them that. I know a guy who tells nearly anyone who will listen he is a label signed rapper...he dresses like one. He talks like one and he will even free flow fairly well but...he is full of it. He is not "signed" by anyone. I know it and he knows it (I guess) but that does not stop him from trying to impress people or to make people believe he is something he is not. This is for the same for anyone...Christian or otherwise. In this thread I read that "religion...with peoples heads and teaches people how to hate and be ignorant towards other people who dont have the same values..." Oh really? I must of missed that Sunday. Some of the most tolerant people I know are Christians but on the same side some of the most intolerant people I know are Christians as well. Many of you could probably say the same. Hate and ignorance is hardly exclusive to any group. Yes, at times, religion has been used for it's unintended purpose (as has atheism or any other "doctrine") but this is the exception and not the rule. Many, many people have had their lives transformed by religion and for many...it's been a very positive change. Sorry if this is boring some of you I know it's a winded post it's just I see all these assaults on something I love deeply and no one really defending it. I just believe (fingers crossed) we could all have a rational discussion about something without all the name calling and insults just because one person believes something you may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 religion does teach people how to hate. look at the thousands of people getting killed every day in from wars that were sparked from religion hundreds of years ago, how about the people who get born in the middle east and get no say in what they can and cannot believe in, and if they decide they dont want to be a muslim anymore or they stop believing in their values, they will get killed or exiled from their community??? the palestinians and israeli's have been kiling each other with their little jihad holy wars for the last thousand years and will continue to do so for another thousand, no matter who intervenes, yet the 10 commandments are all the same in every bible and every religion the first one is 'thou shalt not kill' i could go on but i choose not to. so anyways what are your views on gay marriage? i know christians can be pretty ignorant towards how other people choose to live their lives, bur at least they arent muslim. over there a gay person will get tortured and killed. over here they just get a bunch of haters calling them ***gots and ****s. you cant honestly tell me that religion cant **** up a persons head and teach them how to hate. throughout history, that is actually proving itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoPlataPus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I can't speak for every religion in terms of historical records. I highly doubt you can either. Wars have been fought since the beginning of time over virtually every possible reason. Land, water and other resources and yes...religion as well. My views on gay marriage are largely not relevant to the conversation but I will go along with it. I oppose gay marriage HOWEVER I oppose it for many reasons...many of them have nothing to do with my Christianity. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman...for societies sake. I believe if we under mind traditional marriage and change the meaning then it's open season for anything in terms of marriage...after all who are you (or anyone else) to say who should be able to marry and who should not be able to? Polygamy? Why not. Incest? Sure. Are you ok with that? If so...at least you are being consistent and if not then you are doing the same thing you are angry/upset with those that oppose gay marriage...for defining it. Again, if you redefine marriage from it's present course there will be no boundary that wouldn't be crossed. Having said that I believe that laws need to be changed to help some sort of "civil union". For example, if you are gay and in an accident where gay marriage is not recognized and you are dying in the hospital the staff at the hospital can restrain you from seeing your partner as you are not family...that is sad and it's not right. I also want to add I, nor any mature Christian I know, use those names you ascribed us to...not in public and not in private. You are right in some of the things you say about religion...many Muslims in many countries can be ostracized or even killed for a conversion of faith. Also, I never said that religion can't mess up someone...it certainly can. Fundamental Islam, Westboro, those that protected said pedophiles are all proof that it can...I took exception with your indication that religion's prime objective is to corrupt people from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I can't speak for every religion in terms of historical records. I highly doubt you can either. Wars have been fought since the beginning of time over virtually every possible reason. Land, water and other resources and yes...religion as well. My views on gay marriage are largely not relevant to the conversation but I will go along with it. I oppose gay marriage HOWEVER I oppose it for many reasons...many of them have nothing to do with my Christianity. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman...for societies sake. I believe if we under mind traditional marriage and change the meaning then it's open season for anything in terms of marriage...after all who are you (or anyone else) to say who should be able to marry and who should not be able to? Polygamy? Why not. Incest? Sure. Are you ok with that? If so...at least you are being consistent and if not then you are doing the same thing you are angry/upset with those that oppose gay marriage...for defining it. Again, if you redefine marriage from it's present course there will be no boundary that wouldn't be crossed. Having said that I believe that laws need to be changed to help some sort of "civil union". For example, if you are gay and in an accident where gay marriage is not recognized and you are dying in the hospital the staff at the hospital can restrain you from seeing your partner as you are not family...that is sad and it's not right. I also want to add I, nor any mature Christian I know, use those names you ascribed us to...not in public and not in private. You are right in some of the things you say about religion...many Muslims in many countries can be ostracized or even killed for a conversion of faith. Also, I never said that religion can't mess up someone...it certainly can. Fundamental Islam, Westboro, those that protected said pedophiles are all proof that it can...I took exception with your indication that religion's prime objective is to corrupt people from the get-go. How are two gay or lesbian consenting adults going to open the floodgates to bestiality, incest and the like? I could care less if people want polygamy between consenting adults. Why do you care if a man or woman has multiple husbands or wives? They can right now without the word married, the only thing a marriage adds is the ability to take care of your loved ones in the hard times. Incest is illegal because of the deformations in children and the mutations of cells. If brother and sister wanna have at it, I again wouldn't care. I would say that they NOT be allowed to reproduce, but who cares if they wanna have sex and be married? Bestiality does not have a consenting adult, so it should ALWAYS be illegal. I find it more offensive that parents can allow their kids under 18 to be married to sick ****s in their 50's. There is nothing wrong with consenting adults having sex and being married, you can say otherwise, but do so without bringing religion into it, because the only people who try and keep the "definition of marriage" have been the religious extremists. Unless of course, You want other people getting to decide who YOU are allowed to or not allowed to marry, only then should you give a **** about who others do. It doesn't affect your life one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoPlataPus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 "How are two gay or lesbian consenting adults going to open the floodgates to bestiality, incest and the like?" First, I said nothing about bestiality. Second, I just explained how the floodgates are going to open. If traditional marriage is challenged under any circumstance and is given due that opens the "what if" questions. Since the acceptance of gay marriage has become more prevalent many questions have been raised about what is marriage and what should be accepted under the Equal Protection clause. You can disagree but the discussion is there. "Why do you care if a man or woman has multiple husbands or wives? They can right now without the word married, the only thing a marriage adds is the ability to take care of your loved ones in the hard times." If this is the case then why are you so riled up about gay marriage? If marriage only adds that then what's all the commotion about? Sorry, gay marriage is not a major issue to me...it ranks between "What am I going to have for lunch in exactly 3 weeks and if I am going to super-size it. I did not bring up gay marriage...someone asked me what my beliefs are and I gave them as I know it's one of people's favorite "gotcha" topics. "Incest is illegal because of the deformations in children and the mutations of cells. If brother and sister wanna have at it, I again wouldn't care. I would say that they NOT be allowed to reproduce, but who cares if they wanna have sex and be married?" What happens if the sister or cousin or whoever does become pregnant? Are we going to go to forced abortions like China? "...the only people who try and keep the "definition of marriage" have been the religious extremists." Simply not true. Until the 2012 elections gay marriage votes have been shot down time and time again...and guess what? It wasn't in places like Mississippi or Alabama...it was shot down in places like California where religious extremists hardly rule the day. Prior to 2012, I believe, all gay marriage legalization had to go thru the legislature or courts while, in some cases, circumventing the will of the people. Well good back and forth but I am calling it a night. I believe this has run it's course and we are just going to go back and forth with what would be a never ending discussion. No hard feeling on my end. Good nite all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 "How are two gay or lesbian consenting adults going to open the floodgates to bestiality, incest and the like?" First, I said nothing about bestiality. Second, I just explained how the floodgates are going to open. If traditional marriage is challenged under any circumstance and is given due that opens the "what if" questions. Since the acceptance of gay marriage has become more prevalent many questions have been raised about what is marriage and what should be accepted under the Equal Protection clause. You can disagree but the discussion is there. "Why do you care if a man or woman has multiple husbands or wives? They can right now without the word married, the only thing a marriage adds is the ability to take care of your loved ones in the hard times." If this is the case then why are you so riled up about gay marriage? If marriage only adds that then what's all the commotion about? Sorry, gay marriage is not a major issue to me...it ranks between "What am I going to have for lunch in exactly 3 weeks and if I am going to super-size it. I did not bring up gay marriage...someone asked me what my beliefs are and I gave them as I know it's one of people's favorite "gotcha" topics. "Incest is illegal because of the deformations in children and the mutations of cells. If brother and sister wanna have at it, I again wouldn't care. I would say that they NOT be allowed to reproduce, but who cares if they wanna have sex and be married?" What happens if the sister or cousin or whoever does become pregnant? Are we going to go to forced abortions like China? "...the only people who try and keep the "definition of marriage" have been the religious extremists." Simply not true. Until the 2012 elections gay marriage votes have been shot down time and time again...and guess what? It wasn't in places like Mississippi or Alabama...it was shot down in places like California where religious extremists hardly rule the day. Prior to 2012, I believe, all gay marriage legalization had to go thru the legislature or courts while, in some cases, circumventing the will of the people. Well good back and forth but I am calling it a night. I believe this has run it's course and we are just going to go back and forth with what would be a never ending discussion. No hard feeling on my end. Good nite all! California was flooded with Religious funds being squandered by their churches to put forth millions of dollars to ads against it. Money that those churches accepted in good faith to help others. There is a big flaw in churches and charity. I added beastiality because its a norm for reason to stop gay marriage, you might not use it but so many Religious people do, with incest polygamy etc. Incest happens now, more so in non consenting ways, but there are consenting adults who do it right now. What happens if they get pregnant now? Same thing can happen if they were married. Riled up, no. I find it hypocritical that Religious people tell Government to stay out of their bedrooms, call birth control an abortion pill, then stand up against two consulting adults getting married when it doesn't fit into their norm. Up where I live we have gay marriage. No incest, no polygamy, no bestiality, no fall of society, just a few extra people who have the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us. I have many gay and lesbian friends, some of whom are married and some who are not. They are no different than you or I. As far as it falling in between your lunch and if you super size it. If it was on a ballot, you would vote against someone else having the same rights and freedoms as you have because of your religious belief. In that vote, you show all that is wrong with Religion, even the Christians ideology brings hate into society (Not saying you hate, but many many Christians and Catholics do, because the bible say's its wrong to be gay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 i love how i can disguise my extreme religious debate threads with a title about a white rapper who sings about money drugs and women and nobody even cares about any of that. they always go straight to the heated debate!! > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 i love how i can disguise my extreme religious debate threads with a title about a white rapper who sings about money drugs and women and nobody even cares about any of that. they always go straight to the heated debate!! > Thats because he has not been relevant in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 i love how i can disguise my extreme religious debate threads with a title about a white rapper who sings about money drugs and women and nobody even cares about any of that. they always go straight to the heated debate!! > Thats because he has not been relevant in years LOL. Recovery sold 10 million copies worldwide, won a Grammy, featured one of Em's best verses ever and was the first artist in years to have two number one albums in a 365 day period. And the Show and MMLP were both certified Diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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