MikeNoIke Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Idk if I'm allowed to post this but here's the link. It's a FREE UFC video so I'm guessed it's allowed to be posted? Well, I hope so because it'd be unfair if it wasn't. But anyways, seriously, what happened to GSP? Why is he not like this anymore? Watch the whole thing. I was actually very impressed. It might've been the first time I've ever been impressed by GSP's riddum. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSRRBRY6GfA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 You can post links from official UFC sources like ufc.com, ufc.tv and official fighter YouTube pages. Matt Serra happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 You can post links from official UFC sources like ufc.com, ufc.tv and official fighter YouTube pages. Matt Serra happened Tell that to BRF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had some great fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Maybe the guys he has fought since jay hieron are slightly better than....jay hieron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 It's funny how I hear people talk about how GSP has been on steroids and has gotten so much bigger, he had more muscle fighting Hieron, he has gotten smaller and isn't even a big Welterweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. don't disagree with you bud, he had a coupler sub par performances recently, I just like to point out that he's had great fights since serra. Condit was a good opponent and it was a fun fight, the Diaz fight will be fun to watch too (unless you love Diaz) haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. don't disagree with you bud, he had a coupler sub par performances recently, I just like to point out that he's had great fights since serra. Condit was a good opponent and it was a fun fight, the Diaz fight will be fun to watch too (unless you love Diaz) haha It's pretty safe to say Georges will do all he can to win without Diaz harming him and most importantly without him harming Diaz....He's just a nice guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. don't disagree with you bud, he had a coupler sub par performances recently, I just like to point out that he's had great fights since serra. Condit was a good opponent and it was a fun fight, the Diaz fight will be fun to watch too (unless you love Diaz) haha It's pretty safe to say Georges will do all he can to win without Diaz harming him and most importantly without him harming Diaz....He's just a nice guy like that. haha no I think he'll come in even more motivated than he was against Condit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. don't disagree with you bud, he had a coupler sub par performances recently, I just like to point out that he's had great fights since serra. Condit was a good opponent and it was a fun fight, the Diaz fight will be fun to watch too (unless you love Diaz) haha It's pretty safe to say Georges will do all he can to win without Diaz harming him and most importantly without him harming Diaz....He's just a nice guy like that. haha no I think he'll come in even more motivated than he was against Condit. I'm sorry homie but you're going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. don't disagree with you bud, he had a coupler sub par performances recently, I just like to point out that he's had great fights since serra. Condit was a good opponent and it was a fun fight, the Diaz fight will be fun to watch too (unless you love Diaz) haha It's pretty safe to say Georges will do all he can to win without Diaz harming him and most importantly without him harming Diaz....He's just a nice guy like that. haha no I think he'll come in even more motivated than he was against Condit. I'm sorry homie but you're going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Its true, before serra Gsp had done gray fights, subbed Hughes, tko bj Penn, tko serra, beat the living crap out of Jon Fitch....oh wait that all happened after but then he had mediocre performances against Shields and Hardy. Kos fight was one sided (literally ) ). But he prob could have pushed it more. But after seeing his performance against Condit, he's bound to have more exciting fights and could prob finish at some point. His riddum will get better. Hardy fight was pretty bad, Shields he gave to much credit to and being poked and blinded in one eye slowed his game way down. Coulda woulda shoulda, but he won. His fight vs Condit was good and Im sure Diaz will be as good or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhound Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I would say it was definitely Serra. GSP used to be one of my favourite fighters, but after Serra he got far to cautious. He went from being an exciting, dynamic striker with good wrestling, to a boring, one dimentional wrestler (albeit a very good one). Now i think hes more interested in securing his 'legacy' than putting on good fights (which is what hes getting paid for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think people just got scared of his takedowns more than he got scared of getting hit, if his opponents actually do anything you end up with GSP vs Condit, same reason why Overeem and Sergei were boring against Werdum and Leites and Maia were boring against Silva. You could just tell who the **** was because instead of being scared to throw a punch or let go of guard they had to butt scoot to avoid damage. If GSP was really scared of Serra he would of been butt scooting against him in the 2nd fight rather than whooping his ****. Takedowns are just as dangerous for getting hit, people have been KO'd many times when they shoot double legs, GSP has never pushed people against the fence to take them down, he goes straight for the dangerous double leg and nails it every time. He does lack the killer instinct don't get me wrong, but it definitely isn't because he is scared... if his opponents played a little less defensive (AKA Condit) his fights would be way more fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think people just got scared of his takedowns more than he got scared of getting hit, if his opponents actually do anything you end up with GSP vs Condit, same reason why Overeem and Sergei were boring against Werdum and Leites and Maia were boring against Silva. You could just tell who the **** was because instead of being scared to throw a punch or let go of guard they had to butt scoot to avoid damage. If GSP was really scared of Serra he would of been butt scooting against him in the 2nd fight rather than whooping his ****. Takedowns are just as dangerous for getting hit, people have been KO'd many times when they shoot double legs, GSP has never pushed people against the fence to take them down, he goes straight for the dangerous double leg and nails it every time. He does lack the killer instinct don't get me wrong, but it definitely isn't because he is scared... if his opponents played a little less defensive (AKA Condit) his fights would be way more fun to watch. Yeah I agree. Kos and Shields never attempted to even fight him. That's why I was excited to see him fight Condit because I thought he would go after him and he did and even dropped him. I'm excited to see him fight Diaz because he'll fight GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najma Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Yeah I agree. Kos and Shields never attempted to even fight him. LOLWUT?!?!You need to rewatch the Shields fight. Don't you remember he beat GSP in the 4th and 5th rounds STANDING UP?? He was even making "Let's bring it on!!" gestures to the crowd while doing it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 That had me dying Lmfao I was thinking "Is the worst striker at WW clowning GSP on the feet right now!?" LoL Damn pathetic if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. A. Compare the level of competition pre and post B. He has had great fights post serra including 3 finishes. People have extremely short memories and get very caught up in ignorant party lines when it comes to Gsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. A. Compare the level of competition pre and post B. He has had great fights post serra including 3 finishes. People have extremely short memories and get very caught up in ignorant party lines when it comes to Gsp It's not just his finishing record that has changed. His entire style is different. He doesn't take risks and his game is now safe. He used to be a killer, now he is considered one of the most boring fighters in the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 GSP lost some of his glory due to having such high expectations of him following his second fight with Penn. He completely obliterated Hardy in one of the most lopsided title fights in history, yet the conversation went to "how in the world did he not finish him." People need to realize that fighting one of the best opponents in the world does not make for an easy finish. GSP would finish a guy like Hieron or anyone ranked under number 10, but people also need to realize that GSP is extremely well-rounded and everyone has flaws in their game...GSP's happens to be finishing fights, and for some reason fans can't accept that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameriman Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 T The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. A. Compare the level of competition pre and post B. He has had great fights post serra including 3 finishes. People have extremely short memories and get very caught up in ignorant party lines when it comes to Gsp It's not just his finishing record that has changed. His entire style is different. He doesn't take risks and his game is now safe. He used to be a killer, now he is considered one of the most boring fighters in the sport. It should be noted that one of his finishes post-Serra was over Serra, so I think that does away with that logic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. A. Compare the level of competition pre and post B. He has had great fights post serra including 3 finishes. People have extremely short memories and get very caught up in ignorant party lines when it comes to Gsp It's not just his finishing record that has changed. His entire style is different. He doesn't take risks and his game is now safe. He used to be a killer, now he is considered one of the most boring fighters in the sport. his entire style is different really? mixing striking and takedowns? he doesnt do that anymore? but you said it best right there...he is CONSIDERED one of the most boring fighters. considered by fad jumpers on the internet. so the reality is gsp had a bad streak , by his standards of 3 fights. hardy- total domination, constant top control and sub attempts, 2 painfully close, but no finish. this started this whole idiotic "hes not trying to finish" nonsense. koscheck 2- total domination on the feet for 5 rounds, annihilated kos' face and leg, could not pit him away. i was unsatisfied too, but thats a defiency gsp has, doesnt have ko power or next level combinations, and he never managed to hit kos hard enough to drop him. also worth noting is kos was on his horse after round 1, realizing he was in way over his head shields- i already discussed earlier, and whatever lets just call it a bad fight. so even 2 of his 3 "bad" fights were total annihilation. and now he just had a great fight with condit, and will have a great fight with diaz next if your an objective fan, honestly think it through for a minute. if your warwest or your under 18, by all means continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaron Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 It's funny how I hear people talk about how GSP has been on steroids and has gotten so much bigger, he had more muscle fighting Hieron, he has gotten smaller and isn't even a big Welterweight. Well this kids an idiot... He's gotten older and naturally bigger dumass lol. Stop trolling please. GSP may not be the James HEad, or the Thiago Alves Size, but he's a big ww, he cuts nice weight, Look at his fight against Hieron.. then fights couple years later, hes way bigger troll lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The 3 stupidest things people say about Gsp. 1. Serra 2. Lay n pray 3. Shields outstruck him Shields didn't land a damn thing until he tore Gsp retina, and even then he managed to land a couple good shots, but definitely did not outstrike Gsp. Shields getting 2 rounds was a joke only warwest gets a pass to spout such nonsense, add he is the official Gsp troll. Anyone else making such absurd claims as these should just give up on life and go live under an overpass How is it stupid? Look at GSP pre-Serra 1 (11 finishes, 13 wins) and post-Serra 1 (3 finishes if you include BJ throwing in the towel, 10 fights). He got his confidence knocked out of him. A. Compare the level of competition pre and post B. He has had great fights post serra including 3 finishes. People have extremely short memories and get very caught up in ignorant party lines when it comes to Gsp It's not just his finishing record that has changed. His entire style is different. He doesn't take risks and his game is now safe. He used to be a killer, now he is considered one of the most boring fighters in the sport. his entire style is different really? mixing striking and takedowns? he doesnt do that anymore? but you said it best right there...he is CONSIDERED one of the most boring fighters. considered by fad jumpers on the internet. so the reality is gsp had a bad streak , by his standards of 3 fights. hardy- total domination, constant top control and sub attempts, 2 painfully close, but no finish. this started this whole idiotic "hes not trying to finish" nonsense. koscheck 2- total domination on the feet for 5 rounds, annihilated kos' face and leg, could not pit him away. i was unsatisfied too, but thats a defiency gsp has, doesnt have ko power or next level combinations, and he never managed to hit kos hard enough to drop him. also worth noting is kos was on his horse after round 1, realizing he was in way over his head shields- i already discussed earlier, and whatever lets just call it a bad fight. so even 2 of his 3 "bad" fights were total annihilation. and now he just had a great fight with condit, and will have a great fight with diaz next if your an objective fan, honestly think it through for a minute. if your warwest or your under 18, by all means continue A bad streak that goes on for years and years? Or perhaps... he has changed and is now a boring fighter and safe because he realized he wasn't invincible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 years and years? look i could care less if you like gsp or not but make some sense people hate on him now because of those 3 fights im talking about. is that wrong or right? and what, his fight with condit was boring and safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhound Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 years and years? look i could care less if you like gsp or not but make some sense people hate on him now because of those 3 fights im talking about. is that wrong or right? and what, his fight with condit was boring and safe? I do think people are a bit harsh on GSP, but he did kind of bring it on himself. At the start of his career he went out of his way to make fights exciting, and did a good job of it. The Serra fight really made him realise how dangerous that can be as far as losing prestige in the organisation is concerned. IMO he is a little too vain for his own good, and really didn't like losing to a guy who he obvously thought he would steamroller (which he proved he could in the second fight). The reason i don't like him now is that he let that effect his whole fighting ethos. My favourite fighters are the ones who put it all out there and try and finish fights (which is why i was such a huge GSP fan to begin with), sure you will lose a couple you could of won, but you will never lose the respect of the fans. GSP essentially turned his back on his fans and went after the money and his 'legacy', i.e. he's 100% out for himself and doesn't care how that effects his popularity. I can understand that and if i was in his position i may do the same thing (although i really hope not), but these days he never takes chances and will quite happily LnP in fights he knows hes winning if he thinks he might be in for another 'Serra' moment. Basically he just wants the W and if that means boring fights and decisions, then he's more than happy to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 sigh, you had me right up until the lnp comment ive backed up every claim ive made with examples. so anyone feel free to point out when this guy ever did any lnp, please give me an example of him not taking chances please. i can think of 1...not jumping on shields when he dropped him with the high kick. since im sure anyone about to respond to my post was about to use that as the example, think of another one, go go go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhound Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 When I say 'he doesnt take chances', i mean if he knows he can get away with it (Kos and Condit) he will throw head kicks and combos, but he always seems to be looking to take it to the ground these days. In the Condit fight, where he would of thrown combos after landing with a big shot, he stepped out and waited or took it to the ground. I think if he had always fought like that nobody would be saying anything, but IMO he was probably the most exciting fighter in the UFC at one point. When you get fans by fighting like that, you have to expect them to notice when you stop doing it. As for the LnP, did you not watch the Hardy fight? He knew how dangerous Hardy was so he didn't take the chance, the old GSP would of Kd him the F out. I think for new fans hes a good fighter, but after seeing what he was like pre Serra its hard to root for him now, thats all i was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 i feel like he always did fight like that, but we can agree to disagree there...and its not even total disagreement, i think he could stand to be more aggressive in certain exchanges as i watch him fight. thats valid enough,but really, hardy fight was lnp? he was sub hunting the whole match, thats not lnp dude i wanted him to stand more too, but i think that had way more to do with what his camp was like. he stood way longer with condit and alves, both way better strikers than hardy. i think he knew he could get the sub on hardy and spent a whole camp on bjj, and wouldnt give it up after he came so close in the first round it wasnt a great fight in his highlight reel at all, like i said its one of his "bad" ones that got people on his case, but as i said earlier, the lnp accusation is hyperbole, its become a party line where its not deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharasha Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I reckon it's just because he has fought better and more dangerous opponents. Condit had some brillaint finishes and KO'ed GSP in the 3rd so he had to be careful. Koscheck always had a big right hand, and George fought Shields before he was exposed as a boring LnP can, when he actually had a great submission game. That said, I actually enjoy watching GSP's fights, because he is so incredibly dominant, it is great to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinychatBtarrdz Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 It has been 4 years since GSP finished anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I just washed my hair. it feels sooooo nice. brb, I have to poop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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