bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-04-21/news/9004210056_1_irvin-two-men-young-woman http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-03-23/news/9103230104_1_woman-bowie-state-university-hampton-university http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-04-24/news/9004240277_1_jurors-gang-rape-case-girl Is this the same Lloyd Irvin in the UFC???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Polo_Hermano Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can't even read the links you posted unless I sign up for that website. Crazy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2115010&forum=1&page=1&pc=293 that's another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Is this the same guy or not? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Dude was found not guilty so it should be left at that...unless new evidence is put up every single one of you who brings this up to incriminate him are no different then the guys who DID rape her...you are making an attempt to rape this man's life I have never meet him be4 so I don't know if hes a good man or not...but what counts in that the people who sat in the court to choose his fate believed him not guilty ajd if thats not enough for you when u damn sure feel they were good enough to convict the other men then you are a low person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Uhh. if you read the article, his defense was he was going to rape her but couldn't get an erection. So 5 of his buddies gang rape a girl and go to jail while he's there and participating but for his lack of an erection. So he's not innocent if that is him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Master Lloyd is a great guy and the fact he was found innocent says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm quite sure he was great while he participated in a gang rape. 4 different juries found his buddies guilty and they all got a minimum of 5 years. His defense was he couldn't get an erection and that makes it okay? How about if that was your sister??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I do think you confirmed for me though that it was him doing this. And that was what I was wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Well unless u don't know the law he is not guilty...did he in fact rape her?...no...was he charged with the act of rape?...yes...do since he coukd not do the charged crime he is not guilty If I tried to kill you and i had a gun...but that gun jammed and I was ONLY charged with murder in court would i be guilty of your death?...no I read it and I'm aware of his defence...the fact is he did not rape her...if you want to find him guilty of intent then so be it...but that is onky intent...and a hell of alot more people would be in jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Well unless u don't know the law he is not guilty...did he in fact rape her?...no...was he charged with the act of rape?...yes...do since he coukd not do the charged crime he is not guilty If I tried to kill you and i had a gun...but that gun jammed and I was ONLY charged with murder in court would i be guilty of your death?...no I read it and I'm aware of his defence...the fact is he did not rape her...if you want to find him guilty of intent then so be it...but that is onky intent...and a hell of alot more people would be in jail Are you being serious? If your sister was raped by those guys and one of them said yeah i was there but i didn't do anything just because i couldn't get an erection you would say fair enough? The guy WOULD have joined it but couldn't. you have gone down big time in my views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnicorn Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 They all deserve to rot in jail, simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Well unless u don't know the law he is not guilty...did he in fact rape her?...no...was he charged with the act of rape?...yes...do since he coukd not do the charged crime he is not guilty If I tried to kill you and i had a gun...but that gun jammed and I was ONLY charged with murder in court would i be guilty of your death?...no I read it and I'm aware of his defence...the fact is he did not rape her...if you want to find him guilty of intent then so be it...but that is onky intent...and a hell of alot more people would be in jail Are you being serious? If your sister was raped by those guys and one of them said yeah i was there but i didn't do anything just because i couldn't get an erection you would say fair enough? The guy WOULD have joined it but couldn't. you have gone down big time in my views. I was in a same spot but instead of my sis it was my cousin...we were at a party and she got drunk and went into a back room with a few guys 3 at the time...she could hardly walk akd fell many times...but I saw he Grab the wrist and pull 2 of the guys into the room...they had sex...and 2 more joined...I did not stop them cuz she was a **** like that and knew these guys...thats just how these parties were....mass sex is what happened all the time Well she said she got raped of all those parties this was the only time something like that happened...i testified in court at what i saw and how i felt she knew she was having sex with adleast 3 of the 5 men that night on how she pulled 2 of them by the hand to the room and was the first to open its door The other 2 that joined I had no defence for and nor did i attempt too Non of them were found guilty...when all admitted to having sex with her that was not the exact same as what thisbwomen went through but its close and add that I have sat in on many court cases from petty theift to armed robbery and testified twice under the book I feel i have a better grasp then most on how the court works As I said he was charged with rape...he in fact did not rape her so what do you people want?...if you want to send I'm to prison for intent alone im fine with that but also be prepared for how different your life will be if intent is all the courts never everytime...and trust me that not what your want I am a by the book kinda person when it comes to the law and convicting a person...that's who I am...does it piss people off...damn right it does but as of right now with how the law is in place its the best way to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 No one ever should do jail time or get out of jail time based of "would"s and "could"s...its a simple idea when it comes to the law...either something happened or it didn't Woulds and coulds can send anyone to jail for any time...watch minority report and comeback to me with a strong case that woulds amd coulds should he used in the court room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can only wish bad things upon you and hope it comes true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have a feeling some of the guys in this thread think zimmerman deserve jail time for shooting Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93er Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Saying someone would and could is a lot different than tried and failed. Ever heard of attempted murder. You go to jail for that. So much for the gun example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_Vieri Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have a feeling some of the guys in this thread think zimmerman deserve jail time for shooting Martin Completely different scenario! First off the Zimmerman case exposed the liberal bias of the media but Zimmerman actually did kill the guy, although it was self defence. Whereas here this guy wanted to rape and was present in a gang rape, just couldn't get it up. Yes he is not guilty but he is a scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can only wish bad things upon you and hope it comes true. Damn really?...all I'm doing is going by the book here when it comes to sending a man to prison...I'm speaking in facts her on what i saw and how this Irving did not rape her Let me ask you this...what do you rape is?...in general is it the act of sex that where one party(s) involved does not want to ingage in the act of sex? I have a feeling some of the guys in this thread think zimmerman deserve jail time for shooting Martin I don't know enough to have a concrete belief if he should do time or not...all i know is he in fact killed a person and thats it..for and event that had only 3 parties (zimmerman,Martin,and the 911 dispatch) there is a whole lot of different stories being told and that in its self is iffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can only wish bad things upon you and hope it comes true. Damn really?...all I'm doing is going by the book here when it comes to sending a man to prison...I'm speaking in facts her on what i saw and how this Irving did not rape her Let me ask you this...what do you rape is?...in general is it the act of sex that where one party(s) involved does not want to ingage in the act of sex? I have a feeling some of the guys in this thread think zimmerman deserve jail time for shooting Martin I don't know enough to have a concrete belief if he should do time or not...all i know is he in fact killed a person and thats it..for and event that had only 3 parties (zimmerman,Martin,and the 911 dispatch) there is a whole lot of different stories being told and that in its self is iffy But by the book zimmerman was defending himself as per the law and killed his attacker. By the book they initially labeled it as that and even after an investigation more evidence is showing that. Hence Zimmerman is as innocent as Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93er Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Saying someone would and could is a lot different than tried and failed.Ever heard of attempted murder. You go to jail for that. So much for the gun example. Don't duck my post it is full of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Brute... Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Saying someone would and could is a lot different than tried and failed.Ever heard of attempted murder. You go to jail for that. So much for the gun example. That's very true and a good point...I know a few states have different laws on rape and it should he more clear But I would like to know why they never tried to charge him with attempting to rape or conspiracy to commit rape...we need more info Only reason I can think of is that she agreed that he never rape her or was in the room to commit it but was just arround which has been in many rape cases Idk I don't have a problem with charging for intent as I said...they should have done that...but that's not what happened...they tried to get him for the act of rape...he didnt so there for he is not guilty of rape Is he guilty for the intent to rape?...I would say yes...but he was not charged with that and should not be called a rapist Is our system flawed?...hell yes...but its the best we got and needs to improve in many ways...and just sending everyone to jail for woulds and coulds is not the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 No one seems to what to answer my question Was he charged with rape? Did he rape her? That's all that matters when it charged with something that is not attemp...its black or white...did you do it...did you not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 All I keep thinking about is if that was my sister and a guy "attempted" to rape her but didn't because he couldn't get an erection and he watched while 5 or 6 other guys raped her and someone punched her in the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Brute is right. I can't go to jail for wanting to kick someone's ****, but not doing it. He was charged for rape and didn't rape. He should've been charged for attempt, or obstruction of justice. Lloyd is a scumbag, though. Also, **** Zimmerman. He should be in prison. He provoked the situation when the 911 dispatcher told him specifically to stay in his vehicle. He's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Brute is right. I can't go to jail for wanting to kick someone's ****, but not doing it. He was charged for rape and didn't rape. He should've been charged for attempt, or obstruction of justice. Lloyd is a scumbag, though. Also, **** Zimmerman. He should be in prison. He provoked the situation when the 911 dispatcher told him specifically to stay in his vehicle. He's a ****. Thank you...I'm not saying he's not guilty of attempting...he down right admits to trying which does that make him a scumbag?...yes it does...but what it does NOT do is make him a rapist Charging him with attempt is fine...i wanna know why they didnt...while im sure they had a good reason not to I would like to know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Brute is right. I can't go to jail for wanting to kick someone's ****, but not doing it. He was charged for rape and didn't rape. He should've been charged for attempt, or obstruction of justice. Lloyd is a scumbag, though. Also, **** Zimmerman. He should be in prison. He provoked the situation when the 911 dispatcher told him specifically to stay in his vehicle. He's a ****. Thank you...I'm not saying he's not guilty of attempting...he down right admits to trying which does that make him a scumbag?...yes it does...but what it does NOT do is make him a rapist Charging him with attempt is fine...i wanna know why they didnt...while im sure they had a good reason not to I would like to know why I understand what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I just can't believe you guys are bringing up this case when it happened in 1989! Might as well try to prove lee Harvey oswalds guilty or innocent while your at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Kang, the guy was a PARTICIPANT in a GANG RAPE! I think that's relevant for people who want to send their kids there to train. And as I said, his defense was I was going to do it like everyone else (who went to jail) but I couldn't get an erection. So your failed analogy will not work in this situation. The proof is there and it comes from his own mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Kang, the guy was a PARTICIPANT in a GANG RAPE! I think that's relevant for people who want to send their kids there to train. And as I said, his defense was I was going to do it like everyone else (who went to jail) but I couldn't get an erection. So your failed analogy will not work in this situation. The proof is there and it comes from his own mouth. It's only relevant if the victim and the courts want to go with the case of attempt...and to the people who send thier kids to work with him yes But he is not a rapist...he should not be called one...nor should he viewed as one...he is a scumbag and should be looked at as a character of suspection and thats all If he ever was tried again he should do less time then the real rapists....and be viewed as an accomplice nothing more But really I doubt it would ever happen...when the case was fresh for some reason (which had to b a Damn good one) they didn't want to change him then...and by most accounts will not change him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 ^^^ Lee Harvey Oswald is guilty ) Ha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfDASCapA9Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93er Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Brute Is right. I can't go to jail for wanting to kick someone's ****, but not doing it. No but you would be charged for attempting to and failing which is exactly what this guy did. I just can't believe you guys are bringing up this case when it happened in 1989! Might as well try to prove lee Harvey oswalds guilty or innocent while your at it OP, I think he just said your link is 24 years old and had nothing to do with Zuffa at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm not sure what he's saying. I was just asking if this is the same guy. And he did confirm that for me. And anyone making excuses for this is incredibly stupid. There's just no excuse: she was punched, the doctor's report confirms it was rape, 5 or 6 guys get convicted of rape and Lloyd Irvin walks because he couldn't get an erection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Well he was convicted hence he is innocent in this matter and is not a rapist so end this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjjisgreat Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 No, he buddies were convicted while he watched and tried to get an erection but couldn't. He walked on that thin defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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