Sisti Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 How could any of us sit back and say a fighter sucks? The worst fighter on the UFC roster would literally KTFO any of us in 10 seconds. Not saying that they should be beyond criticism, but I think fans need to sometimes put things in perspective. None of us should judge anyone even if we are better than them...why on earth should we say people suck all the time when they are 100X better fighters than us lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhound Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I guess it depends what you mean. I have all the respect in the world for anyone who gets into the octagon (or ring) to fight. You have to bear in mind that there is always a chance one of you isn't getting out of there (thankfully that hasn't happend in MMA yet). But you do have to look at it from an objective position, and some fights/fighters are boring. If you pay $20 for a PPV or god knows how much for a ticket, then you expect a certain level of entertainment and the fighters have somewhat of an obligation to provide it, hence the fact that they get paid 100s of thousands of dollars to fight and get bonuses for KOs and subs. In a perfect world, fights would happen in gyms and the only people watching would be other fighters, but there isn't much money in that. If fighters want to get paid for fighting, and you want to watch MMA on TV, then you have you accept that some fans will trash some fighters. Its the same as any other professional sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think people need to put things into perspective more often tho. It's one thing to root for a guy or point out how one fighter is obviously better than another, but really none of these guys suck. Also, booing JDS was just ridiculous So yeah...my point is not that we shouldn't discuss the fighers and their holes/weaknesses, but more to realize that they are people too and shouldn't be overlycriticized. I think the most ridiculous example ever is when people are constantly hounding Jon Jones and GSP...they are freakin ridiculous athletes, just because they are not perfect doens't mean they should be **** on 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishranger Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think people need to put things into perspective more often tho. It's one thing to root for a guy or point out how one fighter is obviously better than another, but really none of these guys suck. Also, booing JDS was just ridiculous So yeah...my point is not that we shouldn't discuss the fighers and their holes/weaknesses, but more to realize that they are people too and shouldn't be overlycriticized. I think the most ridiculous example ever is when people are constantly hounding Jon Jones and GSP...they are freakin ridiculous athletes, just because they are not perfect doens't mean they should be **** on 24/7 Great post Sisti Who are we to comment on a fighters chin or a fighters heart etc, They get in the cage with a man who has been training to take his head off, A man who is physically fit physically strong and trained in at least 1 martial art! Most on this forum would be gassed after a 30 second street fight yet feel they can criticise a guy for gassing after 15 minutes of war, Also yes Booing JDS was diabolical and Dana should start to take action against crowds that onstantly boo fighters because it is sickening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 wtf are you here for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 **** that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 i would **** up a flyweight brah, not to mention a woman fighter now.... i UFC ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chons Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 How could any of us sit back and say a fighter sucks? The worst fighter on the UFC roster would literally KTFO any of us in 10 seconds. Not saying that they should be beyond criticism, but I think fans need to sometimes put things in perspective. None of us should judge anyone even if we are better than them...why on earth should we say people suck all the time when they are 100X better fighters than us lol? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishranger Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 wtf are you here for then? I aint here to slag fighters off my friend I am here to talk to mma fans about up coming cards ,who should be in title contention and things along those lines not to ridicule fighters who work harder than any other sports man on earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najma Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 UFC is fake. It's just entertainment for us to enjoy and discuss. With my 2 years of extensive aikido training I could beat any UFC fighter, but I still appreciate it for what it is, and critisizing fighters is part of the enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkLikeAWarrior707 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Totally agree. Unfortunately there will always be people like that and there is nothing we can really do. about it. MMA and fighting fans in general are really harsh and hateful at times. Which is stupid because these guys are warriors. They fight for a living. They deserve respect for even stepping in a cage and fighting. Some guys I don't like but I never go around hating on them and wasting my time spreading negative energy unless the really deserve it. It's so easy to sit on the sidelines and talk ****. Most fans have never trained any martial arts a day in their life. So they don't fully understand and appreciate the sport and the fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xShogunx Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I lift...i lift real hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polymerase Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 When we criticize a fighter its usually RELATIVE to all the other top fighters in the sport, and NOT relative to us, because we are in different professions. Its the same as realizing a doctor or dentist is pretty clueless and bad at his job, and you say you wouldn't recommend him. Obviously he is still way better at his job than you, because you have a different job, BUT you rank them so to speak RELATIVE to other people in their profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I'll say whatever I damn well please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wesley_of_Wells Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 The internet gives everyone the right to criticize anything. Tits or GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I lift...i lift real hard. I'll say whatever I damn well please. ^these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimz Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 for at least 50% of all MMA fans if not more; anyone that isn't in the top 5 of their division or fights in an other organisiation is a can. respect for professional mma fighters could certainly use an upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookork Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 If there is no fan there is no fighter in long run. If there is no fighter , you and me are still doing our job and make a living of it. They entertain, we pay not the other way. I appreciate the gist of your thread and I think it is not much fair if we say a fighter sucks but anything less than offensive and derogatory words ( an honest non biased criticism) is a fair game. They wont be fighting and making money without the fans and that is why we are entitled to talk about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameriman Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 For the sake of free speech, I have vowed to offend those who are determined to be offended. So, stop whining, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 How could any of us sit back and say a fighter sucks? The worst fighter on the UFC roster would literally KTFO any of us in 10 seconds. Not saying that they should be beyond criticism, but I think fans need to sometimes put things in perspective. None of us should judge anyone even if we are better than them...why on earth should we say people suck all the time when they are 100X better fighters than us lol? We pat their salaries, so we can criticise. That 10 second comment isn't true, either. Sure they can all kick my ****, but not in 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Because we are their employers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 for at least 50% of all MMA fans if not more; anyone that isn't in the top 5 of their division or fights in an other organisiation is a can. respect for professional mma fighters could certainly use an upgrade Nope, even the most dominant champions like Fedor and Anderson are cans... because they only beat cans. Everyone's a can! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 that's a horrible point imo. we are fans. they are pros. we buy fights. they fight. we can criticize whoever we want. but yes, i think we should be more respectful when it comes to legends for example Completely agree, it's a sport like any other. We should be more respectful towards anyone because they put their health on the line every single time out there, but it's a sport. We can judge singers even though we may not sing as well, and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrodMMA92 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 The same reason I will complain if I get a crap plate of food. I paid for it. If a fighter sucks I don't wanna pay to see him/her fight. And to me suck doesn't refer to their W/L record but their style of fighting. I just think its that simple but it might not be at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__C_A__ Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 We pay their salaries, we have the right to criticize That said, I wish people would realize the hard work it takes to be a fighter and start a bit more lenient on these guys and stop being so nit picky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Don't criticize Hitler just because he was better at organizing a Jew slaying army than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezerker101 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 for at least 50% of all MMA fans if not more; anyone that isn't in the top 5 of their division or fights in an other organisiation is a can. respect for professional mma fighters could certainly use an upgrade Everyone's a can! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GstarUk Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Freedom of speech brah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I can say they suck because it's in my vocabulary. I do what I want, when I can. without haters there would be no fans. cant have one without the other......love and marriage, love and marriage. Go together like a horse and carriage,,.....what? hey! wanna go for a bike ride? its snowing out dude...lay off the drugs. HUH? sim sim sala bim. you SUCK call it constructive criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 jack ssa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I can say they suck because it's in my vocabulary. I do what I want, when I can. without haters there would be no fans. cant have one without the other......love and marriage, love and marriage. Go together like a horse and carriage,,.....what? hey! wanna go for a bike ride? its snowing out dude...lay off the drugs. HUH? sim sim sala bim. you SUCK call it constructive criticism recognize game ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alle321 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Sisti is an evil communist that doesnt belive in freedom of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I think people need to put things into perspective more often tho. It's one thing to root for a guy or point out how one fighter is obviously better than another, but really none of these guys suck. Also, booing JDS was just ridiculous So yeah...my point is not that we shouldn't discuss the fighers and their holes/weaknesses, but more to realize that they are people too and shouldn't be overlycriticized. I think the most ridiculous example ever is when people are constantly hounding Jon Jones and GSP...they are freakin ridiculous athletes, just because they are not perfect doens't mean they should be **** on 24/7 I agree.....a lot of times fans can be extremely disrespectful and i hate that..... But it doesn't mean they don't have the right to do it. Bottom line, those guys wouldn't even be in that cage if it wasn't for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 When we criticize a fighter its usually RELATIVE to all the other top fighters in the sport, and NOT relative to us, because we are in different professions. Its the same as realizing a doctor or dentist is pretty clueless and bad at his job, and you say you wouldn't recommend him. Obviously he is still way better at his job than you, because you have a different job, BUT you rank them so to speak RELATIVE to other people in their profession. This is the perfect answer...once it goes beyond that it just becomes pure hate really I will never be an NFL Quarterback...but there is no way anyone thinks JaMarcus Russell was a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keem Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 How could any of us sit back and say a fighter sucks? The worst fighter on the UFC roster would literally KTFO any of us in 10 seconds. Not saying that they should be beyond criticism, but I think fans need to sometimes put things in perspective. None of us should judge anyone even if we are better than them...why on earth should we say people suck all the time when they are 100X better fighters than us lol? That's why I always avoid saying a fighter sucks, or they have no buisness fighting for this reason. There are fighters that I'm critical of like the Diaz bros, Sonnen, and McCall, but I'd never say they'd suck, or anything like that. I only criticise there attitudes and places in there divisions when compared to there competitive peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keem Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^Always TRY TO avoid saying a fighter sucks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 When we criticize a fighter its usually RELATIVE to all the other top fighters in the sport, and NOT relative to us, because we are in different professions. Its the same as realizing a doctor or dentist is pretty clueless and bad at his job, and you say you wouldn't recommend him. Obviously he is still way better at his job than you, because you have a different job, BUT you rank them so to speak RELATIVE to other people in their profession. EXACTLY! and this is why GSP is not a fighter in UFC to me because sure he'd kick my **** but relative to actual pro mma fighters he does little more than dry hump them for 25 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 For the same reason Anderson Silva probably criticizes his favorite music artist at times even if they are better musicians than he is. Not saying his air guitar skills aren't top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najma Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 For the same reason Anderson Silva probably criticizes his favorite music artist at times even if they are better musicians than he is. Because he'd be able to annihilate them if they refused to acknowledge his criticism? )))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookork Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 When we criticize a fighter its usually RELATIVE to all the other top fighters in the sport, and NOT relative to us, because we are in different professions. Its the same as realizing a doctor or dentist is pretty clueless and bad at his job, and you say you wouldn't recommend him. Obviously he is still way better at his job than you, because you have a different job, BUT you rank them so to speak RELATIVE to other people in their profession. EXACTLY! and this is why GSP is not a fighter in UFC to me because sure he'd kick my **** but relative to actual pro mma fighters he does little more than dry hump them for 25 minutes. Basically , short version of what you say is that GSP sucks ( but you said it quite politely) while some of those actual pro mma fighters have said that he is one of the greatest of all times including: Dan henderson, Lesnar, Florian, Mir, Sonnen, Gracie and many others... You are entitled to what you say and I respect anybody who does not like or even hate GSP . The only problem is that your comment does not hold that much water. I found this fact kind of interesting that : Haters Gonaa hate because they love to hate, again I respect many of your comments and like many more of them but this one??, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Basically , short version of what you say is that GSP sucks ( but you said it quite politely) while some of those actual pro mma fighters have said that he is one of the greatest of all times including: Dan henderson, Lesnar, Florian, Mir, Sonnen, Gracie and many others... You are entitled to what you say and I respect anybody who does not like or even hate GSP . The only problem is that your comment does not hold that much water. I found this fact kind of interesting that : Haters Gonaa hate because they love to hate, again I respect many of your comments and like many more of them but this one??, sorry. I don't hate GSP i just dislike his style and fighting not to take any risk whatsoever to break the will of his opponents by actually beating them up, keeping the pressure to the breaking point and looking to create the oppurtunities to finish. Instead he's a control freak that takes no risk but also wins no glory other than he's an amazing control artist. He has so much more potential than that and i think he's wasted years developing a safe at all cost mentality. I believe he's developed it to the point he's not comfortable anymore pushing the envelope and he hasn't grown as much as he could have. It has become clear to me he is not confident anymore trying to push to finish a fight. He even says it himself he's too cerebral. To be fair in the Condit fight he really tried to bring back those old primal instincts he once had and sure he took some damage because he's not used to that style and Condit is a tough fighter to try a new approach after a long layoff but i found him to be more fluid and less robotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookork Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Basically , short version of what you say is that GSP sucks ( but you said it quite politely) while some of those actual pro mma fighters have said that he is one of the greatest of all times including: Dan henderson, Lesnar, Florian, Mir, Sonnen, Gracie and many others... You are entitled to what you say and I respect anybody who does not like or even hate GSP . The only problem is that your comment does not hold that much water. I found this fact kind of interesting that : Haters Gonaa hate because they love to hate, again I respect many of your comments and like many more of them but this one??, sorry. I don't hate GSP i just dislike his style and fighting not to take any risk whatsoever to break the will of his opponents by actually beating them up, keeping the pressure to the breaking point and looking to create the oppurtunities to finish. Instead he's a control freak that takes no risk but also wins no glory other than he's an amazing control artist. He has so much more potential than that and i think he's wasted years developing a safe at all cost mentality. I believe he's developed it to the point he's not comfortable anymore pushing the envelope and he hasn't grown as much as he could have. It has become clear to me he is not confident anymore trying to push to finish a fight. He even says it himself he's too cerebral. To be fair in the Condit fight he really tried to bring back that old primal instincts he once had and sure he took some damage because he's not used to that style and Condit is a tough fighter to try a new approach after a long layoff but i found him to be pretty fluid and less robotic. .This is the reason I like most of your comments. I call this one a good constructive criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 because I am the moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaksame Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 LOL...The op is saying that people are not allowed to have opinions based on weather or not another person could beat them up?That kind of intelligence is so insulting it is just wrong. You think the UFC does not have an opinion of each and every fighter?How do you think they come to conclusions on signing fighters?Ever hear Dana talk about Fedor before? Quite often criticism is warranted,i mean you could probably ask the fighter themselves and they would agree on many occasions. I can use a perfect example,since it is so fresh in people's minds.How many criticized Cain for the way he fought JDS the first time?Was it not warranted,and what happened the second time when Cain actually forced the grappling part instead of standing there trying to box? IMO people on the outside of the ring are probably smarter and thin k better than the fighters.It is because once they enter the ring,their mindset changes,for many they lose their cool,adrenaline kicks in or they might even be angry.I have seen many fighters talk about fights in an intelligent way and they even have me convinced they are intelligent,but then they enter the ring and fight like a dummy. I can use another fight,that was maybe the most frustrating fight i have ever watched.Cowboy versus Nate Diaz,just incredible how he could smash out Nate's legs and just stand there and let him back up.Even after the fight during interviews,Cowboy had no answer as to why he fought like he did,his mind went AWOL and he lost because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishranger Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I get what most on here are saying about we have the right to criticise and the fact we pay the wages etc and I agree to a point, However there is often abuse of fighters for no valid reason or booing of fighters for no reason, Example two guys are fighting and its all ground work, high level jits yet the crowd start booing because they aint hammering each other and no one is bleeding, To me that is just wrong, The people who booed Junior flat out wrong, so I will swing it the other way You dont like the product GTFO because there are many others ready to take your place and pay for the seat your sitting in! Criticise fighters for valid points but to criticise for some of the things that CERTAIN people do is just wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseKickboxer Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Great point, i agree , people have no idea what its like to stand in the ring or octagon and they say fighters suck, its ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseKickboxer Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 UFC is fake. It's just entertainment for us to enjoy and discuss.With my 2 years of extensive aikido training I could beat any UFC fighter, but I still appreciate it for what it is, and critisizing fighters is part of the enjoyment. hahahhaha are you ****ing kidding me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTC Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm not one to badmouth any fighter who at least tries to provide me entertainment, but I have no problem with anyone else saying whatever the **** they want. I'm sure like 99% of people fighters take respectful criticism like an adult should, and learn from it. People have such thin skins these days. Fighters dont worry about words hurting them, they have other peoples fists and **** to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creep_bb Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Because having an opinion and being able to freely express it isn't illegal yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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