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Sisti

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I never really ironed out what I believed on them, but recently had a friend tell me just how much it has improved his life. Basically his point was that we all just take what we hear in school and never research it on our own. He said that he had some serious problems in his life and that once he started using he had less irritation, insecurity, and just felt a lot better

 

Not advocating the use by any means, but do you think that there is more use for these than people give them credit for? Also, do you think there should be research into creating a steroid that gives the positive effects while minimizing as much as possible on the negatives?

 

Curious to hear people's take on them, and especially what you think about all the people who were caught using in MMA

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Steroids are a good thing, if you use it intelligently, just like everything else.

 

If for any reason your body has a deficiency in any hormone, you could give it supplements to reach proper balance and homeostasis.

 

OFC if your goal is to build more muscle etc, you can give it more, but in the long term that can also have bad effects, since your body would have a surplus of something, which hinders your body's homeostatic balance, just like virtually everything else.

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I just see the grey area. Like are they upping natural things in our body like red blood count or cretatine. And what is the safe levels that fighters should be measured at.... like a 20yr old will have a varying levels to a 30 or 40 yr old. Whenever they are or aren't used then someone is at a disadvantage from it

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I don't think it's a grey area at all for this type of topic. If you use any form of steroid as an athlete, all of your records/accomplishments deserve to be seen as meaningless.

 

Here's a real life scenario. Randy Couture was taking testosterone shots at the end of the career to boost his testosterone but it was still within the limits of the commission so he wasn't actually cheating despite using an illegal method.

 

So commission gives about the 4:1 t to e ratio. Say your a fighter that is healthy but only sit at 1:1, why not use something to boost within the legal range?

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i honestly think everyone is way to sensitive about PEDs in sports...my reasoning is...sports to me are strictly entertainment i dont really care whats going on behind the scenes im watching sports for entertainment thats it....also its not like these athletes that are using PEDs are just sitting on their couch shooting up miracle drugs and just going out to compete, they still go out and bust their **** and train, lance armstrong still rode his bike and worked out and ate right and stuff to train, he wasnt just chillin like i got PEDs thats all i need to win...also its so widely being used that in a lot cases its PEDs vs PEDs i think everyone needs to stop taking this so personally like omg hes a fraud blah blah blah cuz fact of the matter is even if half the people ****ing about it were on PEDs they still wouldnt be able to compete with the real athletes cuz its not just a guarantee for victory, when it comes down to it, it really doesnt effect me so i dont really care whats going on...everyone is human, nothing is fair...chill out relax and watch sports and stop taking stuff so seriously

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I don't think it's a grey area at all for this type of topic. If you use any form of steroid as an athlete, all of your records/accomplishments deserve to be seen as meaningless.

 

Here's a real life scenario. Randy Couture was taking testosterone shots at the end of the career to boost his testosterone but it was still within the limits of the commission so he wasn't actually cheating despite using an illegal method.

 

So commission gives about the 4:1 t to e ratio. Say your a fighter that is healthy but only sit at 1:1, why not use something to boost within the legal range?

 

Yeah, I remember. And I understand the legal limits set by the commission. I have my own personal opinions about things that I consider performance enhancing drugs like TRT, steroids, etc. I lost all respect for Randy Couture when he took them. I know everyone's opinions will vary and that's fine, but in a combat sport like MMA, if your body tells you that you cannot compete anymore and you try to find a way around that with a drug, than that it cheating to me.

 

It is ironic and sad at the same time, that Randy's nickname is "The Natural."

 

Each sport's organization has it's own way of dealing with cheaters. Some sports organizations deal with attempts to cheat as extreme - an example of this to me is taking away a NCAA football championship and future penalties to that university's team for sanctions against at least 1 football player or 1 football coach.

 

You see how Lance Armstrong is pretty much getting destroyed on all fronts - personal level, financial level, competition level. Track athletes can get banned for life for getting caught taking steroids or any sort of PED.

 

Than you see the athletic commission allow MMA fighters 2nd, 3rd chances to come back after a layoff of 6 months to a year. It seems pretty lax in comparison to other sports organizations.

 

How often does a normal MMA athlete get 4:1 t to e ratio without taking any sort of PEDs? In the instance that getting a normal MMA athlete to have a 4:1 t to e ratio without using any sort of PEDs, what would be the commission's reasoning for allowing that ratio limit if it is not common?

 

 

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

haha i didn't know they used a lotion. What are you wanting to do?

 

 

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

If non-athletes are taking testosterone to boost their T count and they are okay with that, than why should anyone worry about that? It's their own body and it's not affecting anyone else. It's not a competition at that point.

 

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

lol wtf

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

haha females are scary enough as is

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sports to me are strictly entertainment

 

EXACTLY! So refreshing to finally hear someone say that. The whole point of watching or participating in sports is to have fun and enjoy it. If you are taking it too serious and not enjoying it, then why bother? Serious question

 

Look...this isn't to say that in an ideal world it would be better for everyone to play on a fair playing ground. But I just don't think there should be a witch hunt about it

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I'm pro steroids. There's drugs that help you become stronger/faster everyone should do them. If a pill made you smarter would you expect for everyone not to do it? I would take a pill to bump up my iq 50 pts.

 

That's perfectly fine, but the situation gets dicey when you put an actual competition in play. If you put two nerds of equal intelligence against one another in an IQ test and one used that particular pill to bump his IQ up 50 points, it's cheating.

 

 

 

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I'm pro steroids. There's drugs that help you become stronger/faster everyone should do them. If a pill made you smarter would you expect for everyone not to do it? I would take a pill to bump up my iq 50 pts.

 

That's perfectly fine, but the situation gets dicey when you put an actual competition in play. If you put two nerds of equal intelligence against one another in an IQ test and one used that particular pill to bump his IQ up 50 points, it's cheating.

 

 

 

there's some truth in that. there's definitely also some truth in the fact that taking something to make your testosterone levels and strength higher is not a bad thing

 

i think that people should strive to keep the rules in play and carry on strict testing to keep people honest, but they also need to be realistic about it in that you could never completely phase it out. at the end of the day, karma is real, and the true athletes will be the ones who will be remembered for greatness

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Any time there will be an excess of money for the winner, excess of fame for the winner or a combination of any of the two - there will always be people trying to one up the competition in order to cheat.

 

Sports is a form of entertainment, but it's truly a competition. If you wanted to watch something that leaned to be more entertainment than competition, you'd be watching professional wrestling.

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Any time there will be an excess of money for the winner, excess of fame for the winner or a combination of any of the two - there will always be people trying to one up the competition in order to cheat.

 

Sports is a form of entertainment, but it's truly a competition. If you wanted to watch something that leaned to be more entertainment than competition, you'd be watching professional wrestling.

 

competition IS entertainment though. why do i personally care if one guy does better than the next, I don't know either of them!

 

if you are not watching sports for the entertainment aspect of it, you need to ask yourself why you are watching it then

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If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

haha i didn't know they used a lotion. What are you wanting to do?

 

 

Man multiquoting is ****ing hard .. I dunno .. I can tell something isn't right ... I'm too young to be slowing down this much, lower libido, etc ... (I'm not depressed and not on antidepressants so I don't factor that into the equation)

 

I've got zillions of little injuries and traumas from working out in the past and the various major/minor surgeries ... the anti-inflammatory properties alone would be absurdly helpful and motivating. I'm just worried about having the CONTINUE to use it forever as a result of my body dropping it's own T to compensate.

 

If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

lol wtf

:))

 

Seriously man .. there are horror stories .. 12 year old kids sprouting moustaches, etc

 

If you have low testosterone then you should just have to deal with it, taking something to boost yourself is cheating it's that simple.

 

what about for non-athletes?

 

I don't see a problem with that.

 

 

I'm strongly considering paying out of pocket to get all of the workup done ..

 

My big fear is the lotion used .... evidently you have to be super careful to avoid "contaminating" loved ones ... wash clothes separately ... imagine if your GF started absorbing your T ... or if you had young kids ... christ

 

haha females are scary enough as is

 

Truth ... imagine them sprouting sideburns

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I know two people who have taken them, and they did it at the same time and trained together. Just weights. Steroids are not a substitute for hard work, I think people miss that point, thinking that if you eat a handful of steroids for breakfast you'll add 50lbs of muscle mass instantly.

 

One guy, who was quite muscular and lean got fat, bloated and really unhappy with the results because he just kept doing his normal routine. The other guy, who was a lot smaller worked his **** off and got huge.

 

There's not enough research been done on them for me to know if they're "safe"

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as long as it's a level playing field people can do whatever they like imo, competition wise. If a man needs some artificial help to be on par with another ordinary natural man then whatever... just don't abuse that ****, get the proper authorization and monitoring.

 

For personal use idgaf. As long as someone is aware of the effects, they should be able to make up their own damn mind what they do.

 

Anyone stupid enough to abuse a substance gets what they are asking for. There's no need to get in the way of natural selection. We already allow people to kill themselves slowly with fast food.

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Catabolic steroids? Prescribed by a doctor to serve a specific purpose with a goal of making you healthy? Absolutely.

 

Anabolic steroids? Acquired illegally and reak havoc on your Endocrine system leading to possible atrophy, liver, and heart failure? Abosuletly not.

 

Especially in competition. It shouldn't be used in ANY sport. Not even Basketball. In MMA it's usage is disgusting. For a sport thats all about the smaller man beating the bigger man and built on the foundation of integrity, honor, and respect, used some enhancement that is against the rules just to get an edge is as low as it gets IMO. In regards to a usage in a normal lifestyle sure. Roid up. but at the end of the day, the user will be taking a dirt nap a lot sooner than all of us staying off the sauce.

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as long as it's a level playing field people can do whatever they like imo, competition wise. If a man needs some artificial help to be on par with another ordinary natural man then whatever... just don't abuse that ****, get the proper authorization and monitoring.

 

For personal use idgaf. As long as someone is aware of the effects, they should be able to make up their own damn mind what they do.

 

Anyone stupid enough to abuse a substance gets what they are asking for. There's no need to get in the way of natural selection. We already allow people to kill themselves slowly with fast food.

 

When Lance Armstrong admitted this past Monday on an interview with Oprah that he took all EPO, HGH, blood transfusion, etc. he mentioned how he was doing it to just get on a level playing field. Lance Armstrong also said what he felt he was doing at the time was not cheating and he described that as the "scariest thing" about all this.

 

My question to you, Engima - based on what you just wrote and what Lance Armstrong just said in his interview do you feel he cheated?

 

If Chael Sonnen or Stephan Bonnar takes TRT or steroids or any form of performance enhancing drug just to attempt to stay on par with Anderson Silva, and yet, Anderson SIlva doesn't take ANY performance enhancing drug (that we know of), is it fair to Anderson Silva in the sake of competition?

 

Remember - Lance Armstrong had testicular cancer - so did he need all those performance enhancing drugs to stay on par with other ordinary men? If Sonnen has a low T : E ratio, does that give him the right to boost himself up to stay on par with other ordinary men?

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I feel that Lance Armstrong cheated. Cycling is riddled with cheating

Catabolic steroids? Prescribed by a doctor to serve a specific purpose with a goal of making you healthy? Absolutely.

 

Anabolic steroids? Acquired illegally and reak havoc on your Endocrine system leading to possible atrophy, liver, and heart failure? Abosuletly not.

 

Especially in competition. It shouldn't be used in ANY sport. Not even Basketball. In MMA it's usage is disgusting. For a sport thats all about the smaller man beating the bigger man and built on the foundation of integrity, honor, and respect, used some enhancement that is against the rules just to get an edge is as low as it gets IMO. In regards to a usage in a normal lifestyle sure. Roid up. but at the end of the day, the user will be taking a dirt nap a lot sooner than all of us staying off the sauce.

 

Please provide conclusive evidence that steroids cause all those things you mentioned

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Steroids do not cause all of the things that eightlimbassassin states. Abuse of steroids can cause those things. Outside of competition people can really benefit if they are used correctly for the duration and cycle off of them frequently. The problem is that we live in a world that wants instant results so hey if one dose helps then why not two doses? That is what hurts your body.

 

Most steroids are not these evil drugs that the media makes them out to be.

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Steroids do not cause all of the things that eightlimbassassin states. Abuse of steroids can cause those things. Outside of competition people can really benefit if they are used correctly for the duration and cycle off of them frequently. The problem is that we live in a world that wants instant results so hey if one dose helps then why not two doses? That is what hurts your body.

 

Most steroids are not these evil drugs that the media makes them out to be.

 

Yes they absolutely do. Even prolonged moderate use will put you at risk. Thats like saying oh ciggerettes dont give you lung cancer, only a lot do. Of course if you have one cig or one injectoion rarely you wont put your life at risk.

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I feel that Lance Armstrong cheated. Cycling is riddled with cheating
Catabolic steroids? Prescribed by a doctor to serve a specific purpose with a goal of making you healthy? Absolutely.

 

Anabolic steroids? Acquired illegally and reak havoc on your Endocrine system leading to possible atrophy, liver, and heart failure? Abosuletly not.

 

Especially in competition. It shouldn't be used in ANY sport. Not even Basketball. In MMA it's usage is disgusting. For a sport thats all about the smaller man beating the bigger man and built on the foundation of integrity, honor, and respect, used some enhancement that is against the rules just to get an edge is as low as it gets IMO. In regards to a usage in a normal lifestyle sure. Roid up. but at the end of the day, the user will be taking a dirt nap a lot sooner than all of us staying off the sauce.

 

Please provide conclusive evidence that steroids cause all those things you mentioned

 

Please tell me you are trolling!

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I feel that Lance Armstrong cheated. Cycling is riddled with cheating
Catabolic steroids? Prescribed by a doctor to serve a specific purpose with a goal of making you healthy? Absolutely.

 

Anabolic steroids? Acquired illegally and reak havoc on your Endocrine system leading to possible atrophy, liver, and heart failure? Abosuletly not.

 

Especially in competition. It shouldn't be used in ANY sport. Not even Basketball. In MMA it's usage is disgusting. For a sport thats all about the smaller man beating the bigger man and built on the foundation of integrity, honor, and respect, used some enhancement that is against the rules just to get an edge is as low as it gets IMO. In regards to a usage in a normal lifestyle sure. Roid up. but at the end of the day, the user will be taking a dirt nap a lot sooner than all of us staying off the sauce.

 

Please provide conclusive evidence that steroids cause all those things you mentioned

 

Please tell me you are trolling!

 

How am I trolling, you've made a big statement, I'd like the evidence please.

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