TalkLost 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 I was one of the people who fell for this guys hype train and believed he would be the next best thing, but after his performance against Santiago, I believe he will never be anything better than a top 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tahune 1,639 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 that "karate stance" makes me cringe every time I see it (inb4 somone carries on about Machida : D ). He wore some shot's that he really didn't need to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilentDogood 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 he fought a middle weight and won, for a second time in a row in the ufc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
najma 2,358 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 that "karate stance" makes me cringe every time I see it (inb4 somone carries on about Machida : D ). He wore some shot's that he really didn't need to. LOLWUT? The karate stance is the coolest thing about him! I love it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma_Machine 9,599 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 top 10 is kinda above average. sorta kinda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wanderleisilva101 3,574 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 I said before the fight he needs to work on his striking he has a lot of potential still I think though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PunchBag 4,863 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 santiago has great striking and nelson looked good agaisnt him in the standup, most high tier wws dont have the striking of santiago. They rely on thier ground game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ansem 27 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 Gunnar is overhyped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pigs-On-The-Wing 6,220 Report post Posted February 17, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little_Kang 6 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 not overly impressed with any part of his game. He wont beat the top 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little_Kang 6 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 not overly impressed with any part of his game. He wont beat the top 5 please don't edit this post to avoid future embarrassment B-) His striking is chalked full of holes, he had trouble with getting jorge down and jorge doesnt exactly have the best grappling in the division and even on the ground he couldnt do anything gsp beats him as well as rory nick big rig condit macdonald maia fitch maybe ellenberger maybe shields etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RodrigoRua 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 Just too early .. just like it was early about Erick and Barboza !!! Now, I think if he was all that, he would had beaten Santiago (finished) in a more domination way ... Kid is good tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pigs-On-The-Wing 6,220 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 not overly impressed with any part of his game. He wont beat the top 5 please don't edit this post to avoid future embarrassment B-) His striking is chalked full of holes, he had trouble with getting jorge down and jorge doesnt exactly have the best grappling in the division and even on the ground he couldnt do anything gsp beats him as well as rory nick big rig condit macdonald maia fitch maybe ellenberger maybe shields etc ...Jorge is a very well respected black belt with no sub losses..... Gunnar is also a very well respected grappler with a couple of pan am medals and he beat the likes of Monson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edh1 1 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little_Kang 6 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, santiagos chin is well known to be questionable at best and his striking power isnt top. Jorge landed good shots on Gunnar and if that was from someone else gunnar could be asleep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pigs-On-The-Wing 6,220 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, santiagos chin is well known to be questionable at best and his striking power isnt top. Jorge landed good shots on Gunnar and if that was from someone else gunnar could be asleep Almost half of Jorge's wins are by KO....he's still decent. and while he doesn't have the best chin...Gunnar is a grappler first. Its not an easy matchup when your facing another top level black belt bjj practitioner. I guarantee most of the strikers from here on out aren't gonna have a ground background like Santiago does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PunchBag 4,863 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 i want to see riddle vs nelson and santiago vs mills Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yesterdays_Hero 24,050 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 EVERYONE in the UFC is above average. Gunnars only problem was walking straight back with his hands down and chin up. Besides that which should be an easy fix, I thought he looked solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabri1985 44 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 That punch santiago landed in the last few seconds of the fight rocked him pretty bad you could tell, another 20 seconds and Gunner would of been finished i think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little_Kang 6 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, santiagos chin is well known to be questionable at best and his striking power isnt top. Jorge landed good shots on Gunnar and if that was from someone else gunnar could be asleep Almost half of Jorge's wins are by KO....he's still decent. and while he doesn't have the best chin...Gunnar is a grappler first. Its not an easy matchup when your facing another top level black belt bjj practitioner. I guarantee most of the strikers from here on out aren't gonna have a ground background like Santiago does. but a lot of welters have a good enough wrestling background and experience to stop Gunnars takedowns to keep it striking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdGOAT 10 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 I like him, but he's overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PunchBag 4,863 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, santiagos chin is well known to be questionable at best and his striking power isnt top. Jorge landed good shots on Gunnar and if that was from someone else gunnar could be asleep Almost half of Jorge's wins are by KO....he's still decent. and while he doesn't have the best chin...Gunnar is a grappler first. Its not an easy matchup when your facing another top level black belt bjj practitioner. I guarantee most of the strikers from here on out aren't gonna have a ground background like Santiago does. but a lot of welters have a good enough wrestling background and experience to stop Gunnars takedowns to keep it striking but not many of them have an elite striking background, kos? fitch? their striking is below gunnars, maybe ellenberger and hendricks would beat gunnar in a striking match, im pretty sure kampmann would and alves but can they avoid his takeown? but i think gunnar can cause problems for alot of guys on the feet riddle is on a 4 fight win streak and i know gunnar could stop it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyd 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 i want to see riddle vs nelson and santiago vs mills That's a great shout. I wanna see those two fights too. I've no interest in seeing Riddle v Hardy. And let's see what Riddle is like in BJJ 'Deep Water'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little_Kang 6 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 His striking may not be at that top level but the fact that its so unpredictable is a major plus.... As far as his ground game goes....its well ABOVE average. Prob some of the best jits in the division. Don't forget, Santiago is not a easy guy to submit (never lost via sub in his career.) He mounted Santiago ,a task Maia was EVEN unable to do,so his jitz is pretty nasty .Santiago has never been Subbed.Not to mention sandman is a natural middleweight ,and Gunnar could easily make lightweight, so size was a factor ,and he rocked the sandman pretty good ,so he has some punching power anyways .Have some patiance ,he's pretty good,and he's not scared to fight bigger guys, santiagos chin is well known to be questionable at best and his striking power isnt top. Jorge landed good shots on Gunnar and if that was from someone else gunnar could be asleep Almost half of Jorge's wins are by KO....he's still decent. and while he doesn't have the best chin...Gunnar is a grappler first. Its not an easy matchup when your facing another top level black belt bjj practitioner. I guarantee most of the strikers from here on out aren't gonna have a ground background like Santiago does. but a lot of welters have a good enough wrestling background and experience to stop Gunnars takedowns to keep it striking but not many of them have an elite striking background, kos? fitch? their striking is below gunnars, maybe ellenberger and hendricks would beat gunnar in a striking match, im pretty sure kampmann would and alves but can they avoid his takeown? but i think gunnar can cause problems for alot of guys on the feet riddle is on a 4 fight win streak and i know gunnar could stop it. I saw nothing in his striking to make me believe he would beat kos standing. Alves and Kampmann would stop his takedowns too and light him up standing. and matt brown would stomp him good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creep_bb 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 Well , ww is so stacked right now... we'll see what's he made of after his first fight with the sharks in the division. I like him, his head movement isn't his strong point tho... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pigs-On-The-Wing 6,220 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 Remember when Maia had a ****ty performance win against Santiago?? Now he's beaten 3 wrestlers straight in the WW division. The only people who finish Jorge are known powerful strikers. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J_o_R 11 Report post Posted February 18, 2013 I still love his Karate stance and stellar ground game. Gunnar could easily fight at LW and his first two fights in the UFC were against guy's who have fought at MW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King_Can 8,395 Report post Posted February 19, 2013 He's a lightweight that beat 2 Middleweights and Welterweight hes GOAT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
