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10 reasons why UFC MMA is not a real sport.

 

Definition of a sport.

 

Critical concepts and structures.

 

Fair contest with rules, neutral officials and free competitors. Competitors are free to perform as they want under rules.

Rules form the framework of the competition. Neutral venues and home/away. Fixtures are fair and decided by chance, or by results. The contests decide a winner, based on results. The officials are respected and their word is final. No central figure interferes with these things as they work. Rule changes are the apparatus whereby the game can be changed. Competitors are treated equally and fairly.

 

The relationship of the org, to the competitor is to set the playing field with the rules and to enforce and over see their use.

 

Why UFC MMA is not a real sport.

 

01

They tell the fighters how to fight.

 

In a sport the competitors enjoy negative freedom under rules. They can do what they want, so long as they don’t break the rules. In ufc the org tells the fighters how to fight, and puts them under duress to do so. If they don’t comply, results are ignored, and people are treated differently according to how the org likes their performance, rather than how they actually performed under the rules.

 

02

They own the journalists.

 

There is a total lack of critical journalism with regards to UFC. It exists in a bubble where the org owns the press passes, and makes it a private party who comments on the sport. It’s the same band of regulars, who all agree with Dana and live in constant fear of being marginalized. This vacuum that the UFC exists in, is completely different to the wide ranging and diverse array of opinions, that exist for big legitimate sport. Other sports owe the press, in time and comment. UFC seems to own the press, and this creates a culture of deference to whatever they says.

 

The biggest critics of UFC are on forums. And even those forums exist in a culture where they are scared that the UFC will attack them, and where there are UFC PR people posting everything from attacks on critics, to new promotions for the org. The forums have steadily turned into an advertising platform and a collection of fan clubs, not a space for critical comment and evaluation.

 

03

UFC has zero respect for the independent and neutral officials that exist.

 

These people are critical to the respectability of a sport. They aren’t owned by the org or the competitors. Referees, judges, etc, all get attacked by the UFC. As does the commish. The reason for this- they are a centre or power, that the ufc does not own. In no other sport are the officials attacked so often and so verhemently by the organisational structure of the sport itself.

 

04

Drug taking is legitimized.

 

TRT is not something that other sports allow, regardless of excuses. Drug taking exists in all sports, but its legitimized in UFC. TRT fighters are sent out to fight in places where they can get away with it. If you took steroids in the past, and now need more drugs, you get banned for life from the Olympics. In the UFC you get to fight in brazil.

 

05

Results are not respected.

 

I touched on this on point 1 and point 3, but the prevailing decider of who wins, and how people are ranked in a sport is results. It doesn’t matter how they are achieved, so long as its done under the rules. UFC does not respect results.

 

Davis beats Machida- lets pretend it didn’t happen. Weidman beats Anderson – lets give Anderson a rematch, thereby creating a farce, whereby a dominant champ gets two bites of the cherry to beat people, and the challenger only gets 1. If he losses either fight Weidman losses. If Anderson wins either, then he is champ.

 

GSP wins against Hendricks. – that wasn’t in the script, and retires. Lets attack the guy, attack the officials, and then ask the whipped journalists what they think. Doesn’t matter if it was a close fight. Go full retard and pretend it didn’t happen.

 

Boring wrestler- lose once and you are out.

Exciting / hype source fighter- come over from strikeforce and you can have a title shot on a loss.

 

Dan hardy- You can lose as much as you want, as you are a draw in an international market and an exciting fighter. You also get a title shot for no good reason.

 

06

Match making is a tool of promotion and not a reflection of results, chance, or system.

 

Fixtures are not in any way neutral and the prevailing guide to fixture making is the promotion of relegation of competitors. Boring wrestler- here a fight against someone no ones ever heard of. Exciting striker- heres a fight against a hyped up beatable and a title shot. Hype jobs also create match ups and even title shots. The rankings are a joke, shored up by the same lapdog journalists, and there is no neutrality in the fixtures.

 

Matches are made according to hype, and not according to results.

 

07

The fighters work for the org and are owned by the org.

 

In no other sport are the competitors so controlled and owned by the org. Fighters have no freedom of speech even when they aren’t working. They have no freedom to move to other orgs, if they are champs. They are often attacked by the org for simply following professional standards, ie jon jones v hendo. In most really big sports, teams and competitors enjoy security, so long as they are performing well under the rules. They have very real ways in which they can change team, or promoter. In boxing they are independent contractors anyways.

 

UFC own the fighters, like WWE own the fighters. They basically give up all rights when they enter the octagon.

 

Theres no transparency with wages, the right or progression, or any prevailing ethos governing what results actually mean.

 

08

The structure is too centralized.

 

If you harass the officials, put the fighters under duress, own up the journalists, and basically dictate the match ups, promotion and relegation aspects outside of the rules and results, then that’s not a real sport.

 

Theres a conflict of interests having promoters also owning the structure of a sport.

 

Theres a conflict of interests having casino owners running a sport.

 

Theres no transparency with wages or income. Theres no transparency with what UFC makes and what financial pressure it is under to shape the game, its meant to be overseeing.

 

09

The lineage to real fighting is a polluted one. UFC is the art of hype fighting.

 

UFC1 basically had no rules. UFC 150 had lots of rules, and an org that does not respect them. While all these people are training to fight UFC, they aren’t really fighting street or mma. They are being bred to fight in a way that looks good on tv. Bruce lee used to joke about Gung fu kicks being only for the cinema. Wrestling traded in drop kicks and western films traded in swing fights that lasted inhumanly long. UFC and MMA challenged both the kata masters and Hollywood. However the entirety of the pressure put on the fighters to fight UFC these days, all seems to point towards prizing aesthetics over effectiveness. As a martial art, UFC MMA has lost its way and gone way off course, into show fighting and entertainment principles.

 

From the hype to the fight itself, what you are pushing is no longer the most effective form of fighting, but the most telegenically attractive one.

 

The thing is marketed at kids. Other sports are predominantly marketed at adults. UFC is embarrassingly marketed at the WWE pg crowd, after out grow the PG.

 

Dana gets a womens division despite saying he would never go there, then promotes it for sex, and attacks a fighter that criticises the womens division, forcing him to appologise. Sure lots of female and male athletes use sex appeal. It doesn’t usually govern their worth as competitors and the central org doesn’t use it as a handle to promote them.

 

10

Home advantage is always with the Americans.

 

Home advantage is always with the Americans. In other sports, home advantage is shared between competitors or a neutral venue is used. In ufc it’s the Americans who always retain home advantage and in al sports, this matters. Every study ever done on this shows it matters. Regardless of the sport involved, home advantage has consistently ands predictably been shown to matter. Its not just the home advantage affecting results either. Foreign fighters like khabib find it hard to attract quality opponents, and home grown ones with bigger names can get that title shot a lot easier.

 

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Notes-

 

01 : They tell the fighters how to fight.

02 : They own the journalists.

03 : UFC has zero respect for the independent and neutral officials that exist.

04 : Drug taking is legitimized.

05 : Results are not respected.

06 : Match making is a tool of promotion and not a reflection of results, chance, or system.

07 : The fighters work for the org and are owned by the org.

08 : The structure is too centralized.

09 : The lineage to real fighting is a polluted one. UFC is the art of hype fighting.

10 : Home advantage is always with the Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Home advantage is not always with the Americans and this appears to be straight up crying.

 

Vitor, a Brazilian, has fought the following Americans in his homeland Brazil:

Dan Henderson

Luke Rockhold

Anthony Johnson

 

Vitor also fought Jon Jones, an American, in Canada.

 

There are four examples of Americans not having the home advantage and I'm sure there are many more.

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Notes-

 

01 : They tell the fighters how to fight.

02 : They own the journalists.

03 : UFC has zero respect for the independent and neutral officials that exist.

04 : Drug taking is legitimized.

05 : Results are not respected.

06 : Match making is a tool of promotion and not a reflection of results, chance, or system.

07 : The fighters work for the org and are owned by the org.

08 : The structure is too centralized.

09 : The lineage to real fighting is a polluted one. UFC is the art of hype fighting.

10 : Home advantage is always with the Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I missed this thread when you first posted it. It's a very interesting post, good job. However, you are off on some of your reasons, and in general, you haven't proven that it's not a sport..

 

1. Most sports tell their athletes how to play their particular sport.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by zero respect, but the UFC has to accept the various athletic commissions' rules and judgments, no matter what they think about them.

5. It's the same in boxing.

6. It's the same in boxing.

9. It doesn't have to be "real fighting" to be a sport.

10. They hold events in Brazil and Canada regularly, and also go to Europe, Australia, and Asia.

 

There are a lot of things wrong with the UFC, but MMA is still a real sport.

 

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You made an account for that? Clearly you don't watch a lot of MMA and are just trying to rustle our snow covered jimmies. One can see that by the ludicrous notion that Americans always have a homefield advantage (as others have touched on). The UFC is doing more shows abroad than ever before and Belfort is probably the best example of a non-American enjoying homefield advantage (again others have touched on this).

 

Shogun is fighting Hendo IN BRAZIL. I guess Dan has the homefield advantage in that one according to your Zaksame logic.

 

How many times have Brazilians won full retard decisions on those Brazil cards.

 

Potato/10 thread

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10 reasons why UFC MMA is not a real sport.

 

Definition of a sport.

 

Critical concepts and structures.

 

Fair contest with rules, neutral officials and free competitors. Competitors are free to perform as they want under rules.

Rules form the framework of the competition. Neutral venues and home/away. Fixtures are fair and decided by chance, or by results. The contests decide a winner, based on results. The officials are respected and their word is final. No central figure interferes with these things as they work. Rule changes are the apparatus whereby the game can be changed. Competitors are treated equally and fairly.

 

The relationship of the org, to the competitor is to set the playing field with the rules and to enforce and over see their use.

 

Why UFC MMA is not a real sport.

 

01

They tell the fighters how to fight.

 

In a sport the competitors enjoy negative freedom under rules. They can do what they want, so long as they don’t break the rules. In ufc the org tells the fighters how to fight, and puts them under duress to do so. If they don’t comply, results are ignored, and people are treated differently according to how the org likes their performance, rather than how they actually performed under the rules.

 

02

They own the journalists.

 

There is a total lack of critical journalism with regards to UFC. It exists in a bubble where the org owns the press passes, and makes it a private party who comments on the sport. It’s the same band of regulars, who all agree with Dana and live in constant fear of being marginalized. This vacuum that the UFC exists in, is completely different to the wide ranging and diverse array of opinions, that exist for big legitimate sport. Other sports owe the press, in time and comment. UFC seems to own the press, and this creates a culture of deference to whatever they says.

 

The biggest critics of UFC are on forums. And even those forums exist in a culture where they are scared that the UFC will attack them, and where there are UFC PR people posting everything from attacks on critics, to new promotions for the org. The forums have steadily turned into an advertising platform and a collection of fan clubs, not a space for critical comment and evaluation.

 

03

UFC has zero respect for the independent and neutral officials that exist.

 

These people are critical to the respectability of a sport. They aren’t owned by the org or the competitors. Referees, judges, etc, all get attacked by the UFC. As does the commish. The reason for this- they are a centre or power, that the ufc does not own. In no other sport are the officials attacked so often and so verhemently by the organisational structure of the sport itself.

 

04

Drug taking is legitimized.

 

TRT is not something that other sports allow, regardless of excuses. Drug taking exists in all sports, but its legitimized in UFC. TRT fighters are sent out to fight in places where they can get away with it. If you took steroids in the past, and now need more drugs, you get banned for life from the Olympics. In the UFC you get to fight in brazil.

 

05

Results are not respected.

 

I touched on this on point 1 and point 3, but the prevailing decider of who wins, and how people are ranked in a sport is results. It doesn’t matter how they are achieved, so long as its done under the rules. UFC does not respect results.

 

Davis beats Machida- lets pretend it didn’t happen. Weidman beats Anderson – lets give Anderson a rematch, thereby creating a farce, whereby a dominant champ gets two bites of the cherry to beat people, and the challenger only gets 1. If he losses either fight Weidman losses. If Anderson wins either, then he is champ.

 

GSP wins against Hendricks. – that wasn’t in the script, and retires. Lets attack the guy, attack the officials, and then ask the whipped journalists what they think. Doesn’t matter if it was a close fight. Go full retard and pretend it didn’t happen.

 

Boring wrestler- lose once and you are out.

Exciting / hype source fighter- come over from strikeforce and you can have a title shot on a loss.

 

Dan hardy- You can lose as much as you want, as you are a draw in an international market and an exciting fighter. You also get a title shot for no good reason.

 

06

Match making is a tool of promotion and not a reflection of results, chance, or system.

 

Fixtures are not in any way neutral and the prevailing guide to fixture making is the promotion of relegation of competitors. Boring wrestler- here a fight against someone no ones ever heard of. Exciting striker- heres a fight against a hyped up beatable and a title shot. Hype jobs also create match ups and even title shots. The rankings are a joke, shored up by the same lapdog journalists, and there is no neutrality in the fixtures.

 

Matches are made according to hype, and not according to results.

 

07

The fighters work for the org and are owned by the org.

 

In no other sport are the competitors so controlled and owned by the org. Fighters have no freedom of speech even when they aren’t working. They have no freedom to move to other orgs, if they are champs. They are often attacked by the org for simply following professional standards, ie jon jones v hendo. In most really big sports, teams and competitors enjoy security, so long as they are performing well under the rules. They have very real ways in which they can change team, or promoter. In boxing they are independent contractors anyways.

 

UFC own the fighters, like WWE own the fighters. They basically give up all rights when they enter the octagon.

 

Theres no transparency with wages, the right or progression, or any prevailing ethos governing what results actually mean.

 

08

The structure is too centralized.

 

If you harass the officials, put the fighters under duress, own up the journalists, and basically dictate the match ups, promotion and relegation aspects outside of the rules and results, then that’s not a real sport.

 

Theres a conflict of interests having promoters also owning the structure of a sport.

 

Theres a conflict of interests having casino owners running a sport.

 

Theres no transparency with wages or income. Theres no transparency with what UFC makes and what financial pressure it is under to shape the game, its meant to be overseeing.

 

09

The lineage to real fighting is a polluted one. UFC is the art of hype fighting.

 

UFC1 basically had no rules. UFC 150 had lots of rules, and an org that does not respect them. While all these people are training to fight UFC, they aren’t really fighting street or mma. They are being bred to fight in a way that looks good on tv. Bruce lee used to joke about Gung fu kicks being only for the cinema. Wrestling traded in drop kicks and western films traded in swing fights that lasted inhumanly long. UFC and MMA challenged both the kata masters and Hollywood. However the entirety of the pressure put on the fighters to fight UFC these days, all seems to point towards prizing aesthetics over effectiveness. As a martial art, UFC MMA has lost its way and gone way off course, into show fighting and entertainment principles.

 

From the hype to the fight itself, what you are pushing is no longer the most effective form of fighting, but the most telegenically attractive one.

 

The thing is marketed at kids. Other sports are predominantly marketed at adults. UFC is embarrassingly marketed at the WWE pg crowd, after out grow the PG.

 

Dana gets a womens division despite saying he would never go there, then promotes it for sex, and attacks a fighter that criticises the womens division, forcing him to appologise. Sure lots of female and male athletes use sex appeal. It doesn’t usually govern their worth as competitors and the central org doesn’t use it as a handle to promote them.

 

10

Home advantage is always with the Americans.

 

Home advantage is always with the Americans. In other sports, home advantage is shared between competitors or a neutral venue is used. In ufc it’s the Americans who always retain home advantage and in al sports, this matters. Every study ever done on this shows it matters. Regardless of the sport involved, home advantage has consistently ands predictably been shown to matter. Its not just the home advantage affecting results either. Foreign fighters like khabib find it hard to attract quality opponents, and home grown ones with bigger names can get that title shot a lot easier.

 

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You make strong points, but the "UFC MMA" thing made me think it could be trolling...either way, I'll give you a few points

 

1. They tell the fighters how to fight

 

- In the NFL we'd all love it if there were no time outs and downing the ball at the end. It was just all about being entertaining every second, but we accept running out the clock as "good strategy" in most sports. In MMA you get penalized for following the rules that everyone agreed to. They should change the rules to not allow wrestling if they are that against using that technique to win a fight.

 

2. They own the journalists

 

- This is true to some extent, and I rarely ever see someone challenge DW when he's screaming at them all for 30 minutes. Which makes DW think it's ok to swear and yell over every little thing in the world. While that is aggravating, you also have the other end of the coin where people on the internet could say WHATEVER they want, and sometimes go too far. The two together do usually end up in honest reporting overall

 

So yeah, I will agree with you on a couple points, and I do think it's retarded that DW and Fertitas keep well over 1/2 the money of the entire organization, but overall MMA has more going for it than not

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