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Want to start out by talking about the new wwf network. Had a friend over tonight and he was telling me about this new network the wwf has came out with. Told me it's subscription based, and gives you all the backlog of wwf events for 9.99 a month. Sounds a lot like fight pass. But then he told me that all the PPVs were included in the package. I didn't believe him so I looked it up, and he was telling the truth. Comparing the two services (wwf network and fight pass) there is none. Do you think we'll ever get as good of deal with fight pass? Just seems that fight pass is really lacking compared to this. I really can't believe how it's set up really, all the ppvs? Any chance that as a fight pass subscriber we'll at least get discounted ppvs? Or will it not change at all?

 

Let's just compare the services not the product.

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Ha.. you and me both.

 

I actually went through the exact same thing. Somebody started telling me about the WWE Network as we were watching the prelims the other night. He had a good laugh that I was about to be paying the same every month to watch some super scrubs battle it out for an hour at a time vs. him watching any PPV event they've ever had including all of the upcoming ones, plus the mirage of trash shows and things you couldn't care less about similar to UFC's Fight Pass.

 

So comparing the WWE Network vs. UFC's Fight Pass is sort of like comparing a high end restaurant that serves lobster and steak to McDonalds.

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WWE probably makes a ton of money off their weekly show, UFC doesn't have something similar.

Does ZUFFA split PPV profits with other corps? Would the ufc make as much offering their own network VIA weekly subscriptions? Seems to me weekly subscribers or monthly would be more of a reliable source of income. As fans usually pick and choose ppv's they buy. In a subscriber context a fan would be buying every event by default. Not sure how the cookie cutter system of biz works but some need to blaze new paths...

 

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Ha.. you and me both.

 

I actually went through the exact same thing. Somebody started telling me about the WWE Network as we were watching the prelims the other night. He had a good laugh that I was about to be paying the same every month to watch some super scrubs battle it out for an hour at a time vs. him watching any PPV event they've ever had including all of the upcoming ones, plus the mirage of trash shows and things you couldn't care less about similar to UFC's Fight Pass.

 

So comparing the WWE Network vs. UFC's Fight Pass is sort of like comparing a high end restaurant that serves lobster and steak to McDonalds.

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^^You did speak a morsel of truth there. WWE has been in business way longer. It seems to me that the extra money they bring in from the weekly televised shows would kind of balance out the year long tour that they're always on. They perform in other cities on a lot the nights they aren't on TV. So it still would seem that the WWE has more of an overhead than the UFC. Dollar per dollar with the pyro and whatnot, the WWE has more money but it also spends far more money. So I don't think there's a comparison to be made between the companies. I was merely comparing what I was shown that the WWE Network offers vs. the UFC Fight Pass. Granted, this was a link on a phone that I don't believe was even the WWE website, and there could end up being yearly fees or something like that too... I really don't ****ing know. But I assumed the OP actually did research it because that's exactly what I was told.

 

The WWE Network supposedly offers every payperview, past and present. But as it stands, the guy who said UFC Fight Pass is basically paying for facebook fights is right. Why would I want to pay a monthly fee for a couple awful fights a month with some guys I've never heard of in my entire life on top of paying for cable, on top of paying $55 every three weeks for a PPV?

 

I just did the math. If I pay $55 every 3 weeks, $80 a month for cable because you have to have the package with FS1(I cant even get FS2), and $120 a year for Fight Pass... that's a total of about $2015 I have to spend just to watch all this nonsense vs. the WWE at around $720. Greedy much, UFC?

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I'm hearing lots of people using the fight pass and buying ppv through it and not getting to actually see the fights and instead being charged without actually seeing anything.

 

LoL Fightpass is scamming people with their poor capability.

 

I saw an article that was citing hundreds of people who were paying but not able to see anything.

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I'm hearing lots of people using the fight pass and buying ppv through it and not getting to actually see the fights and instead being charged without actually seeing anything.

 

LoL Fightpass is scamming people with their poor capability.

 

I saw an article that was citing hundreds of people who were paying but not able to see anything.

 

Yeah.. I can't even watch the regular prelims on it. It blocks me out from it. I can only watch the "Fight Pass Prelims" = rip off

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^^You did speak a morsel of truth there. WWE has been in business way longer. It seems to me that the extra money they bring in from the weekly televised shows would kind of balance out the year long tour that they're always on. They perform in other cities on a lot the nights they aren't on TV. So it still would seem that the WWE has more of an overhead than the UFC. Dollar per dollar with the pyro and whatnot, the WWE has more money but it also spends far more money. So I don't think there's a comparison to be made between the companies. I was merely comparing what I was shown that the WWE Network offers vs. the UFC Fight Pass. Granted, this was a link on a phone that I don't believe was even the WWE website, and there could end up being yearly fees or something like that too... I really don't ****ing know. But I assumed the OP actually did research it because that's exactly what I was told.

 

The WWE Network supposedly offers every payperview, past and present. But as it stands, the guy who said UFC Fight Pass is basically paying for facebook fights is right. Why would I want to pay a monthly fee for a couple awful fights a month with some guys I've never heard of in my entire life on top of paying for cable, on top of paying $55 every three weeks for a PPV?

 

I just did the math. If I pay $55 every 3 weeks, $80 a month for cable because you have to have the package with FS1(I cant even get FS2), and $120 a year for Fight Pass... that's a total of about $2015 I have to spend just to watch all this nonsense vs. the WWE at around $720. Greedy much, UFC?

 

720 is still to much to pay for a soap opera

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^^You did speak a morsel of truth there. WWE has been in business way longer. It seems to me that the extra money they bring in from the weekly televised shows would kind of balance out the year long tour that they're always on. They perform in other cities on a lot the nights they aren't on TV. So it still would seem that the WWE has more of an overhead than the UFC. Dollar per dollar with the pyro and whatnot, the WWE has more money but it also spends far more money. So I don't think there's a comparison to be made between the companies. I was merely comparing what I was shown that the WWE Network offers vs. the UFC Fight Pass. Granted, this was a link on a phone that I don't believe was even the WWE website, and there could end up being yearly fees or something like that too... I really don't ****ing know. But I assumed the OP actually did research it because that's exactly what I was told.

 

The WWE Network supposedly offers every payperview, past and present. But as it stands, the guy who said UFC Fight Pass is basically paying for facebook fights is right. Why would I want to pay a monthly fee for a couple awful fights a month with some guys I've never heard of in my entire life on top of paying for cable, on top of paying $55 every three weeks for a PPV?

 

I just did the math. If I pay $55 every 3 weeks, $80 a month for cable because you have to have the package with FS1(I cant even get FS2), and $120 a year for Fight Pass... that's a total of about $2015 I have to spend just to watch all this nonsense vs. the WWE at around $720. Greedy much, UFC?

 

720 is still to much to pay for a soap opera

 

??? So don't buy it, Einstein. I'm pretty sure none of us want to watch almost fighting when we're fans of actual fighting.

 

It just baffles me why some of you see the letters WWE and feel like you need to jump in and act like you don't watch it. I can speak of the WWE without embarrassment when comparing products between them and the UFC, and not worry about if people think I'm a.... oh no.... wrestling fan! And dare I say... I actually watched it when I was a kid! Shoot me.

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I'm hearing lots of people using the fight pass and buying ppv through it and not getting to actually see the fights and instead being charged without actually seeing anything.

 

I watched the last two PPVs through UFC.TV, and aside from a brief minute, or two where it cut out during UFC 169, I had no issues.

 

As far as Fight Pass vs. the WWE Network, the big difference is that hardly anybody is buying WWE Pay Per Views anymore outside of a couple of their big events (Wrestlemania obviously, and to a lesser extent, Royal Rumble, and Summerslam). Their other events, aside from those three, generally do horrible numbers, so they don't need nearly as many subscribers for their network to make sense.

 

Plus, WWE has an extraordinary back catalog that could carry the service on its own. They not only have decades of their own footage, but they also have all of the footage from WCW, ECW, WCCW, Mid-South, AWA, etc that will draw in viewers as well.

 

On the other hand, you've got the UFC, which is doing much better on PPV (meaning they'd need a lot more subscribers to not lose money over their current business model), and has nowhere near the history to draw on, nor the lapsed audience that the vault access will appeal to (most people that were watching those old fights are probably still watching), nor do they have weekly TV, and multiple live events, and all of the other revenue streams to draw upon as well.

 

The big thing the UFC also lacks compared to WWE is the brand awareness. Almost everybody over the age of 15 has at least heard of WWE, and knows what it is. There are still A LOT of people that have never heard of the UFC. I know it's sometimes hard to realize when spend time on sites like this where there are a bunch of people talking about the sport, but it's nowhere near as mainstream as you'd think. It will get there eventually, but it's not there yet.

 

You don't get the kind of numbers needed to make something like this work unless you have that HUGE brand awareness that a company like WWE has.

 

I'd want for fight pass to at least give us discounted ppvs. I just don't see Dana giving in. You want to cut down on illegal streams? Offer something like this

 

They can't. Their contracts with the PPV providers prevent them from offering shows at a discounted price online. Trust me, they'd love to do it. They would make more money on a $30 stream on UFC.TV than they do on a $50 PPV feed because of the cut that the cable, and satellite providers take when you buy a PPV from them.

 

But if they do that, they'll be in breach of their contracts with the PPV providers, and the cable, and satellite companies will drop UFC Pay Per Views. Dish Network has already dropped WWE because of the Network, and DirecTV has issued a statement indicating they will probably do the same, so this is an all, or nothing thing for WWE, and would be for the UFC as well.

 

I was thinking about this a couple of days ago. I foresee a future where the UFC has UFC.TV as a subscription service that includes what we think of now as PPVs, and FOX cards, and allows anybody to watch the Fight Night shows for free to try to hook more people, but I think that's probably at least five years down the road, once more content has moved online.

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I'm hearing lots of people using the fight pass and buying ppv through it and not getting to actually see the fights and instead being charged without actually seeing anything.

 

I watched the last two PPVs through UFC.TV, and aside from a brief minute, or two where it cut out during UFC 169, I had no issues.

 

As far as Fight Pass vs. the WWE Network, the big difference is that hardly anybody is buying WWE Pay Per Views anymore outside of a couple of their big events (Wrestlemania obviously, and to a lesser extent, Royal Rumble, and Summerslam). Their other events, aside from those three, generally do horrible numbers, so they don't need nearly as many subscribers for their network to make sense.

 

Plus, WWE has an extraordinary back catalog that could carry the service on its own. They not only have decades of their own footage, but they also have all of the footage from WCW, ECW, WCCW, Mid-South, AWA, etc that will draw in viewers as well.

 

On the other hand, you've got the UFC, which is doing much better on PPV (meaning they'd need a lot more subscribers to not lose money over their current business model), and has nowhere near the history to draw on, nor the lapsed audience that the vault access will appeal to (most people that were watching those old fights are probably still watching), nor do they have weekly TV, and multiple live events, and all of the other revenue streams to draw upon as well.

 

The big thing the UFC also lacks compared to WWE is the brand awareness. Almost everybody over the age of 15 has at least heard of WWE, and knows what it is. There are still A LOT of people that have never heard of the UFC. I know it's sometimes hard to realize when spend time on sites like this where there are a bunch of people talking about the sport, but it's nowhere near as mainstream as you'd think. It will get there eventually, but it's not there yet.

 

You don't get the kind of numbers needed to make something like this work unless you have that HUGE brand awareness that a company like WWE has.

 

I'd want for fight pass to at least give us discounted ppvs. I just don't see Dana giving in. You want to cut down on illegal streams? Offer something like this

 

They can't. Their contracts with the PPV providers prevent them from offering shows at a discounted price online. Trust me, they'd love to do it. They would make more money on a $30 stream on UFC.TV than they do on a $50 PPV feed because of the cut that the cable, and satellite providers take when you buy a PPV from them.

 

But if they do that, they'll be in breach of their contracts with the PPV providers, and the cable, and satellite companies will drop UFC Pay Per Views. Dish Network has already dropped WWE because of the Network, and DirecTV has issued a statement indicating they will probably do the same, so this is an all, or nothing thing for WWE, and would be for the UFC as well.

 

I was thinking about this a couple of days ago. I foresee a future where the UFC has UFC.TV as a subscription service that includes what we think of now as PPVs, and FOX cards, and allows anybody to watch the Fight Night shows for free to try to hook more people, but I think that's probably at least five years down the road, once more content has moved online.

 

They would love to do it? I doubt it. If the ufc has contracts with the ppv providers, wouldn't that be implemented for wwe's ppvs? If they would "love" to do it they would. It's proven time and time again the ufc is greedy, a lot of posters on this forum would agree. Since the ufc usually do good ppv numbers, I would almost bet they could work out a deal with a provider that wouldn't care if they offer a stream of the ppv. Instead of going after people in a lawsuit who streams a fight, do something about it that would benefit the fans. Maybe then people would think the UFC cares about it's fans

 

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^^You did speak a morsel of truth there. WWE has been in business way longer. It seems to me that the extra money they bring in from the weekly televised shows would kind of balance out the year long tour that they're always on. They perform in other cities on a lot the nights they aren't on TV. So it still would seem that the WWE has more of an overhead than the UFC. Dollar per dollar with the pyro and whatnot, the WWE has more money but it also spends far more money. So I don't think there's a comparison to be made between the companies. I was merely comparing what I was shown that the WWE Network offers vs. the UFC Fight Pass. Granted, this was a link on a phone that I don't believe was even the WWE website, and there could end up being yearly fees or something like that too... I really don't ****ing know. But I assumed the OP actually did research it because that's exactly what I was told.

 

The WWE Network supposedly offers every payperview, past and present. But as it stands, the guy who said UFC Fight Pass is basically paying for facebook fights is right. Why would I want to pay a monthly fee for a couple awful fights a month with some guys I've never heard of in my entire life on top of paying for cable, on top of paying $55 every three weeks for a PPV?

 

I just did the math. If I pay $55 every 3 weeks, $80 a month for cable because you have to have the package with FS1(I cant even get FS2), and $120 a year for Fight Pass... that's a total of about $2015 I have to spend just to watch all this nonsense vs. the WWE at around $720. Greedy much, UFC?

 

720 is still to much to pay for a soap opera

 

We are talking about the service not the product.

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If the ufc has contracts with the ppv providers, wouldn't that be implemented for wwe's ppvs? If they would "love" to do it they would. It's proven time and time again the ufc is greedy

 

Yeah, WWE does have those contracts. I addressed that in my post. PPV providers either already have dropped WWE PPVs (Dish Network), or are talking about it (DirecTV) because WWE violated those contracts.

 

It's proven time and time again the ufc is greedy

 

Even more reason why they'd love to do it. They could offer the show cheaper online, entice more people to buy there, and make more money per buy, because they wouldn't have to give half of the money to the cable/satellite companies (which is what they get).

 

On a $50 PPV you buy from your cable company, the UFC sees roughly $25. On a $30 PPV you would buy from UFC.TV, the UFC would see $30. It would be a win-win for the UFC, and for fans, except that they'd risk getting dropped by the cable, and satellite companies. If that risk wasn't there, there would literally be zero negative for the UFC to offering a lower price online.

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If the ufc has contracts with the ppv providers, wouldn't that be implemented for wwe's ppvs? If they would "love" to do it they would. It's proven time and time again the ufc is greedy

 

Yeah, WWE does have those contracts. I addressed that in my post. PPV providers either already have dropped WWE PPVs (Dish Network), or are talking about it (DirecTV) because WWE violated those contracts.

 

It's proven time and time again the ufc is greedy

 

Even more reason why they'd love to do it. They could offer the show cheaper online, entice more people to buy there, and make more money per buy, because they wouldn't have to give half of the money to the cable/satellite companies (which is what they get).

 

On a $50 PPV you buy from your cable company, the UFC sees roughly $25. On a $30 PPV you would buy from UFC.TV, the UFC would see $30. It would be a win-win for the UFC, and for fans, except that they'd risk getting dropped by the cable, and satellite companies. If that risk wasn't there, there would literally be zero negative for the UFC to offering a lower price online.

 

IMO they wouldn't lose have the buyers of ppvs, so they'd either make the same amount of money or probably a little more. So if they'd love to do it why not.

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IMO they wouldn't lose have the buyers of ppvs, so they'd either make the same amount of money or probably a little more. So if they'd love to do it why not.

 

They would absolutely lose more than half their buyers going online only at this point.

 

Not only is there a bigger barrier to entry, because a lot of people don't have a device setup to watch online content on their TV, there is also the barrier of connection speeds for some people, and bandwidth limits, plus they would lose a ton of advertising that the cable, and satellite companies do for them (bill inserts, ads on their website, TV ads, etc), so a lot less people would know about the fights.

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PRICE VS CONTENT.

 

WWE wins hands down. Not even close. I canceled my fight pass for a lot of the reasons above.

 

For the wrestling fan, Just to have the whole library of PPV's from WWE, ECW, WCW alone is just about worth the subscription, then you add in the PPV's and its not even close, I will say right now I did not buy many PPV's anyway a year for WWE. Usually WM and KOTR and thats about it. But just buying those 2 ppv say 120 bucks. you would have gotten the whole year on the current WWE network package. So I think it is worth the price. Now I know there are a lot of WWE haters out there and they won't agree either way, that's I say Price VS Content.

Now WWE is taking a major risk here, Like it has been said, Dish has already dropped them from the PPV. Comcast looks like they are following, and Directv as well, As Max stated on a 50 dollar ppv WWE is seeing 25-30 bucks of that. Now with the 10 bucks a month, they get it all, with probably 10 times the people getting the service. I think it is a win/win situation the wwe put themselves in,

 

That being said. I don't ever see UFC going this route.

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I see the UFC going that route eventually, but not for a number of years. I could see them seriously looking at that as an option when their current FOX deal is up.

 

Me personally, I'm keeping Fight Pass for now. I've barely seen any PRIDE, or Strikeforce, only the last couple of years of WEC, and very little UFC pre-52, so there will be plenty of back content to keep me busy for awhile when they finally put everything up, and then once I've gone through a lot of that, I'll re-evaluate whether it's worth the money.

 

I'd have signed up for the WWE Network right away, but as it is, they've decided their non-US fans aren't important enough to even get it this year, so alas, I can't.

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The McMahons have always been on top of things when it comes to marketing their product. The WWF essentially pioneered PPV television back in the 80's, and now that times have changed they're taking advantage of the streaming revolution. They were one of the first companies to have an expansive, full-featured website up and running back when fewer than one out ten households had internet service. They've always been rather forward-thinking in that regard, and while they've had numerous flubs, they've been successful in the long run. If you're a fake wrasslin' fan, the WWE product is one heck of a deal.

 

The UFC's Fight Pass is a joke in comparison. An absolute joke.

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They've always been rather forward-thinking in that regard

 

I wouldn't put the WWE Network in their column of forward thinking things. They 100% wanted this to be a Television network, but the cable, and satellite companies wouldn't give them the money they wanted for it, so they had no choice but to go the online route. This wasn't them being forward thinking. It was their last resort.

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and what really got me stumped right now about wwe network is I cant access it on my 360. keeps telling me it don't recognize my email and or password. but i log on anywhere else its fine,

 

I've heard there were issues with the 360 app that they were working on.

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and what really got me stumped right now about wwe network is I cant access it on my 360. keeps telling me it don't recognize my email and or password. but i log on anywhere else its fine,

 

I've heard there were issues with the 360 app that they were working on.

 

oh there is?? I did not know that. Cool then I will be patient.

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and what really got me stumped right now about wwe network is I cant access it on my 360. keeps telling me it don't recognize my email and or password. but i log on anywhere else its fine,

 

I've heard there were issues with the 360 app that they were working on.

 

oh there is?? I did not know that. Cool then I will be patient.

 

"Are you having trouble using your WWE app on your Xbox 360 console? We've got you covered, Xbox members! Thanks for being patient while we work toward a fix. We'll provide an update for you as soon as possible."

 

That's on the Support.Xbox.com status page: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live-status

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and what really got me stumped right now about wwe network is I cant access it on my 360. keeps telling me it don't recognize my email and or password. but i log on anywhere else its fine,

 

I've heard there were issues with the 360 app that they were working on.

 

oh there is?? I did not know that. Cool then I will be patient.

 

"Are you having trouble using your WWE app on your Xbox 360 console? We've got you covered, Xbox members! Thanks for being patient while we work toward a fix. We'll provide an update for you as soon as possible."

 

That's on the Support.Xbox.com status page: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live-status

 

Thank you Sir. I will wait for the update.

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