Bubba_Sparks Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 On Friday night, two fighters conducted themselves with dignity and courtesy. No bottles were thrown, no F-bombs were dropped, they didn't insult each other and they quietly answered the questions they were asked. 24 hours later, one of them stepped forward and uppercutted the other into oblivion in a meaningful conclusion to a fight with real consequences to the division in which they fight. Compare and contrast that with the Conor/Nate freakshow. Yet Rumble and Glover had a fight purse worth $335k v Nate/Conor's purse of $5M. They would have had to fight 15 times to earn as much as Nate and Conor did. Does this bother you? Does it not seem quite right? And if it is an issue, who's to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Nate and Conor have more bargaining power because they were the show. No one is paying for a card headlined by Rumble vs Glover. That's just the sad truth. Anyone who knew anything about MMA knew Rumble would win by first round KO. It's not exciting when you know what's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Doesn't bother me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 It boils down to who can attract the most casuals. There's between 400-700K hardcore fans that will buy PPV's for good fights on their merit alone. You need someone with name recognition with casuals to break a million buys. I watched this card the other night with some old friends from high school. We were having a party for my buddy who is in the navy and came home on leave, and I bought the PPV and we projected it onto the fence in the backyard (awesome way to watch the fights btw). McGregor and Diaz were the only fighters on the card that anyone other than myself had heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Sparks Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Nate and Conor have more bargaining power because they were the show. No one is paying for a card headlined by Rumble vs Glover. That's just the sad truth. Anyone who knew anything about MMA knew Rumble would win by first round KO. It's not exciting when you know what's going to happen. I really do think it is sad. Rumble was simply awesome, and is an absolute gent (well, when he's not beating up his missus). But the forum is red hot with Mcgregor/Nate alone. I think i've made my conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGun Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 335k?? they should have gotten less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Rumble was simply awesome, and is an absolute gent (well, when he's not beating up his missus). When the cameras are rolling. I've heard otherwise lots of times, and the women he comes across say much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 It's the company's fault. They can push whoever they want. The fact that Conor brings in the money is all their doing. Look at Nick Diaz being considered a draw now. That's all from their media machine because frankly, the guy is a can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Doesn't bother me and i'm not surprised mother ****er. Fans love drama. The sport used to be about barbaric savage **** fighting but when everyone became a mixed martial artists and rules came into play and all the hespect for the martial arts and sense of honor went out the window no one cared anymore and the spectacle of combat almost died out. Compare this male soap opera MMA has become to the WWE model it followed. Would anyone actually tune in to wrasslin' if everyone was respectful, had honor and didn't engage in drama filled story lines with plot twist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 The ufc got diggled paying these 2 scrubs $5 million The entire card of ufc100 $1.8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 When the cameras are rolling. I've heard otherwise lots of times, and the women he comes across say much different. This is very true. If we only went by what people said on camera then Jon Jones would be a gentleman too. It goes in reverse too. Nate acts like a thug on camera but is famously very fan friendly out in the world. He was even nice enough to not slap the dog **** out of Beiber when he ran into him at the club after Beiber was talking ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 The ufc got diggled paying these 2 scrubs $5 million The entire card of ufc100 $1.8 million. Their first fight diggled UFC 100 in PPV buys. By a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 This is very true. If we only went by what people said on camera then Jon Jones would be a gentleman too. It goes in reverse too. Nate acts like a thug on camera but is famously very fan friendly out in the world. He was even nice enough to not slap the dog **** out of Beiber when he ran into him at the club after Beiber was talking ****. I can confirm this myself. Nate saw me taking a photo of him from probably twenty feet away, and stopped to pose for it. Nick Diaz walked right by me and I was taking a picture as he walked, and he goes "Do you want to take a picture, dude?". If you're not trying to fight with them, they're actually really cool guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 I can confirm this myself. Nate saw me taking a photo of him from probably twenty feet away, and stopped to pose for it. Nick Diaz walked right by me and I was taking a picture as he walked, and he goes "Do you want to take a picture, dude?". If you're not trying to fight with them, they're actually really cool guys. Post it! If you have met Nate and he was that cool, why all the hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Their first fight diggled UFC 100 in PPV buys. By a lot. Did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Did it? According to Dana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffDubya Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Post it! If you have met Nate and he was that cool, why all the hate? He's against Marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Post it! If you have met Nate and he was that cool, why all the hate? I'm a troll. You can see Nate in the background. Nick was going to get a drink, and let himself past that velvet rope. lol.. The convo went: "Do you want to take a picture, dude?" - Nick "I do, but I know a line will form if we do it right now..." - Me "I'm just going to get a drink, I'll be right back." - Nick "Hell yeah, man. We'll do it then. Thanks man." - Me Then Khabib started fighting with Nate, and Nick came down in a hurry to get to all that, understandably. Then he threw his drink on Khabib. RIP $20 drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcmax3000 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The fans, because ultimately the fighters get paid based on how much the fans are interested in them, because that's what brings in the money that the UFC pays the fighters with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 It is the fighters fault. If they were special they would be getting paid. If you are not special you are not going to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The fans, because ultimately the fighters get paid based on how much the fans are interested in them, because that's what brings in the money that the UFC pays the fighters with. Yea but the fans only care about fighters that are unique. Ronda Rousey Anderson Silva GSP Chuck Lidell Tito Ortiz Brock Lesnar Jon Jones and the most unique of them all Conor McGregor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Their first fight diggled UFC 100 in PPV buys. By a lot. wat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigD Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 People still seem to think the UFC is a real sport?? You have to sell your fights to make money. No one wants to see you "keep it classy" unless you're as dominant as GSP or Silva. Otherwise you better be running your mouth or expect to be paid less. For as good of a matchup Glover v Rumble is, 95% of the crowd were tuning in for Conor v Diaz. Money wise, the reason for your fight is just as important as the fight itself. This isn't football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 People still seem to think the UFC is a real sport?? You have to sell your fights to make money. No one wants to see you "keep it classy" unless you're as dominant as GSP or Silva. Otherwise you better be running your mouth or expect to be paid less. For as good of a matchup Glover v Rumble is, 95% of the crowd were tuning in for Conor v Diaz. Money wise, the reason for your fight is just as important as the fight itself. This isn't football. GSP was never dominant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigD Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 GSP was never dominant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Nate and Conor have more bargaining power because they were the show. No one is paying for a card headlined by Rumble vs Glover. That's just the sad truth. Anyone who knew anything about MMA knew Rumble would win by first round KO. It's not exciting when you know what's going to happen. Anyone who knew anything about MMA knew Conor was going to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_H. Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 It doesn't bother me. It happens in every sport and in every company. In football, bench warmers get 50K - 100K while super stars make a few millions a year. Guys who lift boxes get minimum wage and the idiot supervisor makes over $20 per hour while the plant manager drinks coffee and catches up on facebook for 200K per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I can confirm this myself. Nate saw me taking a photo of him from probably twenty feet away, and stopped to pose for it. Nick Diaz walked right by me and I was taking a picture as he walked, and he goes "Do you want to take a picture, dude?". If you're not trying to fight with them, they're actually really cool guys. why were you taking pictures of dudes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 why were you taking pictures of dudes? Your mom was texting me and asked for the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorRam0n Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The fans, because ultimately the fighters get paid based on how much the fans are interested in them, because that's what brings in the money that the UFC pays the fighters with. well i take the other side to this arguement, the ufc could take a long term strategic approach and position their titles to mean more than a circus act. rumble and glover could have headlined a ufc themselves and earnt alot more as the headline. conjobber is actually COSTING them money. of course the ufc don't need to take this approach until they are no longer a monopoly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcmax3000 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 well i take the other side to this arguement, the ufc could take a long term strategic approach and position their titles to mean more than a circus act. rumble and glover could have headlined a ufc themselves and earnt alot more as the headline. conjobber is actually COSTING them money. of course the ufc don't need to take this approach until they are no longer a monopoly I agree that they could, and should be positioning their titles better, but personalities will always be what sells fights above anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorRam0n Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I agree that they could, and should be positioning their titles better, but personalities will always be what sells fights above anything else. i don't disagree that there could still be a space for "personality" fights....the question was why is there such a gap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATSTER Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Shouldn't it be whose? 12er, step your damn game up son you're embarrassing Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Shouldn't it be whose? 12er, step your damn game up son you're embarrassing Barry Barry teaches math. He doesn't give a **** about grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 On Friday night, two fighters conducted themselves with dignity and courtesy. No bottles were thrown, no F-bombs were dropped, they didn't insult each other and they quietly answered the questions they were asked. 24 hours later, one of them stepped forward and uppercutted the other into oblivion in a meaningful conclusion to a fight with real consequences to the division in which they fight. Compare and contrast that with the Conor/Nate freakshow. Yet Rumble and Glover had a fight purse worth $335k v Nate/Conor's purse of $5M. They would have had to fight 15 times to earn as much as Nate and Conor did. Does this bother you? Does it not seem quite right? And if it is an issue, who's to blame? You want Rumble to KTFO Glover 15 times?? You sick son of a ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Barry teaches math. He doesn't give a **** about grammar. Barry is a dork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigD Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 LoL lol GSP significant strikes: 62% Nick significant strikes: 30% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 His L&P skills are NEXT LEVEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 lol GSP significant strikes: 62% Nick significant strikes: 30% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Look at GSP IMPOSING HIS WILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Look at GSP IMPOSING HIS WILL PURE DOMINATION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 It doesn't bother me. It happens in every sport and in every company. In football, bench warmers get 50K - 100K while super stars make a few millions a year. Guys who lift boxes get minimum wage and the idiot supervisor makes over $20 per hour while the plant manager drinks coffee and catches up on facebook for 200K per year. In the NFL in 2007, the rookie minimum wage was $275,000, for a 10 year veteran it was over $800,000. It comes down to what percentage of the total revenue goes to the fighters, so the UFC is screwing the fighters. It doesn't bother me if the headliners get most of it. Conor got $5 million, Mayweather got $200 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 In the NFL in 2007, the rookie minimum wage was $275,000, for a 10 year veteran it was over $800,000. It comes down to what percentage of the total revenue goes to the fighters, so the UFC is screwing the fighters. It doesn't bother me if the headliners get most of it. Conor got $5 million, Mayweather got $200 million. Conor got 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABA_JI Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Look at GSP IMPOSING HIS WILL There is absolutely NOTHING more EXHILARATING than watching another man IMPOSE HIS WILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_H. Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 In the NFL in 2007, the rookie minimum wage was $275,000, for a 10 year veteran it was over $800,000. It comes down to what percentage of the total revenue goes to the fighters, so the UFC is screwing the fighters. It doesn't bother me if the headliners get most of it. Conor got $5 million, Mayweather got $200 million. Well, you get the point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agtx Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 in NBA 50% of the total revenue goes to the players, in UFC its 15% or something. Theres some TV deal renewal that's happening in 2018 or something that is meant to increase the revenue 400% which is where the $4bn UFC sale price comes from, that is meant to address the fighter pay situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorRam0n Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 in NBA 50% of the total revenue goes to the players, in UFC its 15% or something. Theres some TV deal renewal that's happening in 2018 or something that is meant to increase the revenue 400% which is where the $4bn UFC sale price comes from, that is meant to address the fighter pay situation. it's about 40%. difference is that in the ufc, the fighters are independent contractors as opposed to actual employees of a franchise and there is a players union supported by the players who negotiate their collective bargaining agreement. up to the fighters or law to change that, because the ufc won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 You're only worth what someone will pay you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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