McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Book Mighty vs Cody just like he wants and winner is the 135 pound champion and 125 division is done. Then TJ can fight that winner. Issue resolved. Too bad MM refuses to go up in weight... he wants Cody at 125lbs 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanPass 9,216 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Too bad MM refuses to go up in weight... he wants Cody at 125lbs He just said he fight Max Halloway if they gave him big money.lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobercuban 90,903 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 MM vs TJ will do 200-300k imo that's his best bet If he wants to make any money fight Ray Borg he's **** out of luck. Could be the least purchased PPV in years. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yerbo 1,801 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 i'd rather see mighty mouse fight anybody, rather than holly holm main eventing a card in a few weeks. for **** sakes she is 0-3 in her last 3 fights and is headlining a card against some other fighter who didnt win her last fight either most people would have sent those cans to bellator with those kinds of losing skids, but because once upon a time holly holm knocked out danas poster girl, she moves straight to the main event. out of the way arlovski and all you other has-beens. make way for the person who was the first to ktfo dana's wondergirl ronda. because that has huge marketability right there! if theyre ever going to promote that fight, how many times will they shove that rousey knockout in our faces? because thats all they have to try to sell off the headliner. its not like theyre not going to show anything else from her last 3 fights to promote this main event and try to sell this card. that **** rustles my jimmies. its not a sport anymore, its a spectacle. ufc is going to kill themselves off with their own personal greed and stupidity its not about what youve accomplished in the sport. its about whether or not dana white thinks you can bring him some money. Thanks for recognizing what pretty much any one else who's been paying attention saw a few years back already..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skillandpower 12,866 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 that's his best bet If he wants to make any money fight Ray Borg he's **** out of luck. Could be the least purchased PPV in years. Probably on his family members will buy it. Ray's family member and friends will read a play by play lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yerbo 1,801 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 No, it means that people don't pay to watch him fight. That's ultimately what it comes down to. The fighters that draw money make money. But the UFC can, to a large extent, via marketing, control who draws viewers. That was one of DJ's main points..... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mcmax3000 31,818 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 But the UFC can, to a large extent, via marketing, control who draws viewers. Marketing always helps, but it's not suddenly going to make someone a star. If the UFC decided to spend as much on marketing for Johnson's next fight as they do for a McGregor fight, it doesn't suddenly mean that the PPV is going to do over a million buys. A big show doesn't become a big show because it got a lot of advertising. A big show gets a lot of advertising because it's expected to be a big show. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skillandpower 12,866 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 But the UFC can, to a large extent, via marketing, control who draws viewers. That was one of DJ's main points..... How could the UFC promote the fly division m8 ? That division is over. One of the best guys in the division, besides the champ, already lost twice against the champ (Benavidez) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skillandpower 12,866 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 125 men fighting is just not that easy to sell .. lets just keep it real, shall we ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason_H. 6,539 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 MM has no room for negotiations lol. The dude can't even get a PPV buy in his name. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amunera 5,688 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Marketing always helps, but it's not suddenly going to make someone a star. If the UFC decided to spend as much on marketing for Johnson's next fight as they do for a McGregor fight, it doesn't suddenly mean that the PPV is going to do over a million buys. A big show doesn't become a big show because it got a lot of advertising. A big show gets a lot of advertising because it's expected to be a big show. Probably not to the Mcgregor extent, be he could be as marketable as someone like Joanna champion and more than Woodley I would say. In my Facebook feed I rarely see anything regarding MM. And I think if more people saw him fights he would get more fans, and that would be an auto-catalytic loop. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 But the UFC can, to a large extent, via marketing, control who draws viewers. That was one of DJ's main points..... You mean to a minor extent... If the UFC could market stars at will they would have 100 Conor McGregors. That's not how the real world works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Marketing always helps, but it's not suddenly going to make someone a star. If the UFC decided to spend as much on marketing for Johnson's next fight as they do for a McGregor fight, it doesn't suddenly mean that the PPV is going to do over a million buys. A big show doesn't become a big show because it got a lot of advertising. A big show gets a lot of advertising because it's expected to be a big show. Wow you've finally said something intelligent 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Probably not to the Mcgregor extent, be he could be as marketable as someone like Joanna champion and more than Woodley I would say. In my Facebook feed I rarely see anything regarding MM. And I think if more people saw him fights he would get more fans, and that would be an auto-catalytic loop. You still don't understand how this works after mcmod just explained it to you in perfect English Get a clue buddy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 why should MM fight TJ? last time I looked Tj did not even have a strap 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juice64011 45,285 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 why should MM fight TJ? last time I looked Tj did not even have a strap He isn't popular either. The UFC is trying to push him because he's on TUF but now doesn't have a meaningful fight. I don't think that fight does **** for buys. TJ doesn't move the needle besides a rivalry fight with Cody. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) from a strictly mma perspective I would love to se TJ/MM but businesswise it doesn't make a lot of sense for MM. Conor went up to 155 to fight the champ (after Diaz) Penn went up to WW to fight the champ If jones goes up to HW it should be to fight the champ Edited June 5, 2017 by UFCCagerattler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyWang 36,223 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 from a strictly mma perspective I would love to se TJ/MM but businesswise it doesn't make a lot of sense for MM. Conor went up to 155 to fight the champ (after Diaz) Penn went up to WW to fight the champ If jones goes up to HW it should be to fight the champ you forgot to add that Renan Barao went up to fight the champ Phillipe Nover Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 a guy who has a strap should be fighting another guy who has a strap. not saying TJ isn;t a legit opponent - but why does one guy bring a strap with him and another not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 - or TJ can come down to 125 and get that strap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyWang 36,223 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 I look at it like this if lets say Nunes got injured and Valentina Shevchenko said fine, I want to go to 115 and fight Joanna. Should they not want to book that??? Should Joanna be saying no, I want to fight Rose Namajunas for my next defense. I think a champ should be wanting to fight the best opponents. This talk that Dillashaw cant make 125 yet Ray Borg is the one who has missed weight numerous times??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bezerker101 55,731 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 ... just don't care about that division, been lulled like the majority 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LayDownDead 21,727 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Marketing always helps, but it's not suddenly going to make someone a star. If the UFC decided to spend as much on marketing for Johnson's next fight as they do for a McGregor fight, it doesn't suddenly mean that the PPV is going to do over a million buys. A big show doesn't become a big show because it got a lot of advertising. A big show gets a lot of advertising because it's expected to be a big show. I think this is the biggest misconception some fans have about "draws". Draws aren't draws because they are heavily promoted, they are heavily promoted because they are draws 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 I think this is the biggest misconception some fans have about "draws". Draws aren't draws because they are heavily promoted, they are heavily promoted because they are draws i agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyWang 36,223 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Upon hearing the flyweight division could be shelved Mighty Mouse got Benavidez, Cejudo, Borg, Elliott, and Reis to take a group photo to show solidarity 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorRam0n 2,196 Report post Posted June 5, 2017 Just close the division already 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanPass 9,216 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) Alot missing the point. Mighty is saying why would he fight a top company guy and make the same exact money or even less when he can fight Ray Borg for the same exact pay? He just wants ppv points and whatnot which is understandable regardless of the buys. He have what 10 title reigns none with PPV buys? If he gonna help TJ,Dana and the UFC out the least they can do is compensate him with a bigger paycheck. He can squash some can and get paid low, or fight some top guy like TJ and get paid the exact same. Which route would you take? This is the exact thing Conor was laughing at when Eddie Alvarez had UFC in his hands and that fool didn't negotiate a new lucrative deal when had the opportunity. Now look at him. Edited June 6, 2017 by CanPass 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lapo 796 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Ray Borg is on a 2 fight win streak(Formiga and Smolka), how does that make him a title contender!?The most legal contender IMO opinion is Benavidez who's on a 6 fight win streak, where 4 of those 6 fighters have all competed for the belt. Too bad DJ already beat him twice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigD 2,456 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 So painful listening to Mighty mouse on the MMA hour. He tried to say TJ isn't the first big name he fought because of Jon Dodson lmao. Then he complains about not getting PPV points in the past while turning down the only fight of his career with PPV points.... Then he rants about his great integrity while saying he rather they close the division and work at Cosco then do this fight. What's that do to your fellow fighters paychecks lol? He is so clearly ducking it's sickening. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 MM said CLOSE the division he doesn't care Then he'd be forced into 135 LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyWang 36,223 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 I hope they go with Borg to make Mighty Mouse happy and Borg misses weight again 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Just close the division alreadyNah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 I hope they go with Borg to make Mighty Mouse happy and Borg misses weight again They'll shut the division down before they give him Borg to break Anderson's record Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xFINISHxHIMx 28,508 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Punishing the entire fly division is stupid. Scrap some of the wimmens, 145 and 125 comes to mind, Dana. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO 15,834 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Punishing the entire fly division is stupid. Scrap some of the wimmens, 145 and 125 comes to mind, Dana. The entire fly division is stupid it costs the ufc money 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VertFTW 7,241 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Bottom line is that TJ is the A side wrt DJ......that annoying midget doesnt get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigD 2,456 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 It's too bad Mighty Mouse is the last one to this party, now his back is against the wall. If he takes the fight and wins, it's tarnished cuz he tried to duck his only legit opponent. If he fights Ray Borg, it will be the lowest selling championship fight in UFC history. Hopefully other fighters learn from this and don't try to treat MMA like boxing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 if you take MM out of there its a good division like LHW without Jones with Jones theres no point even having a lhw div Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 if you take MM out of there its a good division like LHW without Jones with Jones theres no point even having a lhw div I see what you are saying.. but dont completely agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UFCCagerattler 11,178 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 I see what you are saying.. but dont completely agree maybe you need another drink 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 maybe you need another drinkProbably Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xFINISHxHIMx 28,508 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 The entire fly division is stupid it costs the ufc money You have no idea. You think its stupid because nobody can touch Mighty Mouse, but there are some crazy WARS at Flyw. Dana needs to strip DJ, if he's ducking TJ nobody should be allowed to cherry pick his contenders. The same goes for DeRanbobmie, Bisping, Conor and whoever else wears a belt around his waist atm. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 You have no idea. You think its stupid because nobody can touch Mighty Mouse, but there are some crazy WARS at Flyw. Dana needs to strip DJ, if he's ducking TJ nobody should be allowed to cherry pick his contenders. The same goes for DeRanbobmie, Bisping, Conor and whoever else wears a belt around his waist atm. I respect it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xFINISHxHIMx 28,508 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 I respect it Srsly you cant just delete a whole division cause one guy is ducking... on the other hand if there's a contract signed to fight borg thats a different story. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Srsly you cant just delete a whole division cause one guy is ducking... on the other hand if there's a contract signed to fight borg thats a different story.I hear you.. but I dont know that is a thing yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigD 2,456 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Srsly you cant just delete a whole division cause one guy is ducking... on the other hand if there's a contract signed to fight borg thats a different story. Sure you can. No one cares about that division and that goes twice without DJ. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freddievanhalen3 80,409 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Sure you can. No one cares about that division and that goes twice without DJ.So just fire all the guys in the division and lose out on even more money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crangs 39,067 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 let him fight midgets for peanuts. At this point his middle name is Johnson and his surname 'On Fox' from what i can tell 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yerbo 1,801 Report post Posted June 6, 2017 Marketing always helps, but it's not suddenly going to make someone a star. If the UFC decided to spend as much on marketing for Johnson's next fight as they do for a McGregor fight, it doesn't suddenly mean that the PPV is going to do over a million buys. A big show doesn't become a big show because it got a lot of advertising. A big show gets a lot of advertising because it's expected to be a big show. But as you say, it certainly helps. And I don't think DJ, nor I, ever said he should be a star on par with McGregor. He is just asking for the marketing help that someone the UFC refers to as their pound for pound best fighter and who is going for the record in title defense deserves and would be getting in pretty much any other sport. It's not unreasonable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites