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Where's the hype for Gokhan Saki?

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A true kickboxing legend -- who'll make the stand up of anyone in his division look like Ronda Rousey's -- joined the UFC and nobody seems to notice. If he can get his cardio sorted and his take down defense is on point, I easily see him smash his way to the title. Thoughts?

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He is past it and got caught a few times in his debut. He still has skills but will never be a contender

 

He gassed because he hasn't fought in over 3 years and wasn't properly prepared. For this second fight he had plenty of time to whip himself back in shape and I'm guessing we will be seeing a totally a different animal. We're talking about a guy who beat Tyrone Spong twice and gave K1 champions like Rico Verhoeven a run for theirmoney at heavy weight. At LHW the guy will be an absolute beast. Hell, I feel sorry for Rountree already. 

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He was being beaten by Henrique Da Silva for 3.5 minutes before he got lucky.  Da Silva is terrible.  What is the reason there should be a hype train for a guy that nearly lost to one of the worst roster members?  He should have stuck to the sport where he was best.

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A true kickboxing legend -- who'll make the stand up of anyone in his division look like Ronda Rousey's -- joined the UFC and nobody seems to notice. If he can get his cardio sorted and his take down defense is on point, I easily see him smash his way to the title. Thoughts?

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I love Gokhan but i don't see him going too far in the UFC. MMA striking is very different even without the grappling the gloves and defense changes a lot of things. 

 

I wasn't that impressed with his debut. If he keeps gun slinging like that some scrandy will probably KO him or drop him then get a stoppage with GnP or even a submission. 

 

When i look at kickboxers who's style translates well to MMA it's not people like Gokhan. Movement fighters who can throw hard one shot counters and or set-up one or two heavy pot shots with slick set-ups then reset is the better style for MMA. i.e. guys like Cro Cop. 

 

Kickboxers that are more kinda plodders that like to set a lot and throw combinations or trade usually don't do so well in MMA. Maybe against cans but not higher level fluid fighters that can do it all at a decent level. 

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Saki turns 35 in Oct, do not overlook Roundtree +110 pickem' .......

Coin flip matchup.

 

Something tells me fight be similar to last go around he be out on his feet then somehow manage to flash ko roundtree or something to that nature.

 

Overall....great fight either way 1 fights i'm most looking forward too because i know neither man will try take it to ground.

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Coin flip matchup.

 

Something tells me fight be similar to last go around he be out on his feet then somehow manage to flash ko roundtree or something to that nature.

 

Overall....great fight either way 1 fights i'm most looking forward too because i know neither man will try take it to ground.

 

people be playing the bookie's game when they bet Saki, it's a stay away

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I love Gokhan but i don't see him going too far in the UFC. MMA striking is very different even without the grappling the gloves and defense changes a lot of things. 

 

I wasn't that impressed with his debut. If he keeps gun slinging like that some scrandy will probably KO him or drop him then get a stoppage with GnP or even a submission. 

 

When i look at kickboxers who's style translates well to MMA it's not people like Gokhan. Movement fighters who can throw hard one shot counters and or set-up one or two heavy pot shots with slick set-ups then reset is the better style for MMA. i.e. guys like Cro Cop. 

 

Kickboxers that are more kinda plodders that like to set a lot and throw combinations or trade usually don't do so well in MMA. Maybe against cans but not higher level fluid fighters that can do it all at a decent level. 

 

Maybe, but the difference is that we have never seen this level of striker in the UFC. His power and speed is just on a different level. 

 

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Just compare that to someone like Teixierra, who's also a stand up fighters and is currently ranked #3 at LHW. It's like he's moving in slow mo compared to saki.

 

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All thinks considered, I think his debut went pretty well. Sure he gassed out to quick but that is to be expected after a 3 year stop and the jitters of making his ufc debut. Other than that, he absolutely destroyed Da Silva in the stand up and the most important thing -- he was able to defend the take downs. Of course, Da Silva isn't a great wrestler but it does show that he's seriously been working on his other mma skills, which will only get better as he keeps fighting. 

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Maybe, but the difference is that we have never seen this level of striker in the UFC. His power and speed is just on a different level. 

 

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Just compare that to someone like Teixierra, who's also a stand up fighters and is currently ranked #3 at LHW. It's like he's moving in slow mo compared to saki.

 

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All thinks considered, I think his debut went pretty well. Sure he gassed out to quick but that is to be expected after a 3 year stop and the jitters of making his ufc debut. Other than that, he absolutely destroyed Da Silva in the stand up and the most important thing -- he was able to defend the take downs. Of course, Da Silva isn't a great wrestler but it does show that he's seriously been working on his other mma skills, which will only get better as he keeps fighting. 

 

Your a ****ing idiot, you just tried to prove your point by saying Glover is a stand up fighter, which he really isn't, he is not even the best stand up fighter in that division. You want to talk about stand up, look at guys like Conor McGregor and Whittaker, we also going to pretend De Silva is a good fighter? lost his last 4, including a 22 second KO against Cutelaba. There is no hype behind him for one simple fact, he is too old, he won't have the time left to make anything of himself in MMA and he also looked far from great in his debut. 

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Your a **** idiot, you just tried to prove your point by saying Glover is a stand up fighter, which he really isn't, he is not even the best stand up fighter in that division. You want to talk about stand up, look at guys like Conor McGregor and Whittaker, we also going to pretend De Silva is a good fighter? lost his last 4, including a 22 second KO against Cutelaba. There is no hype behind him for one simple fact, he is too old, he won't have the time left to make anything of himself in MMA and he also looked far from great in his debut. 

 

Glover is basically a mediocre boxer with a blackbelt in jiu jitsu who won almost all his fights with KO punches. 34 Isn't that old, especially if you have been competing at the highest level in kickboxing for almost 2 decades, fighting legends like Badr Hari, Semmi Schilt and Rico Verhoeven at heavy weight. Besides, it's not like the LHW division is brimming with talent. Hell, Jimmy Manuwa is ranked #6 and the guy lost half his fights. But we will see Sunday man. I predict a vicious KO in the 1st round and if he can get his wrestling on point and his cardio back, I don't see anyone hanging with Saki in the stand up.

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Glover is basically a mediocre boxer with a blackbelt in jiu jitsu who won almost all his fights with KO punches. 34 Isn't that old, especially if you have been competing at the highest level in kickboxing for almost 2 decades, fighting legends like Badr Hari, Semmi Schilt and Rico Verhoeven at heavy weight. Besides, it's not like the LHW division is brimming with talent. Hell, Jimmy Manuwa is ranked #6 and the guy lost half his fights. But we will see Sunday man. I predict a vicious KO in the 1st round and if he can get his wrestling on point and his cardio back, I don't see anyone hanging with Saki in the stand up.

34 is really old when you have been fighting for a long time. That **** takes a toll on your body. He won't sniff top 10.
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KR has a good chance of winning IF he has any inkling of mma IQ,

prime '08 Saki has been 1rd waxed by Overeem, Hari and has never fought in the contiguous states, Hawaii '08

 

WH has Khalil @ +138, but I've also seen him at +100 else-where ... excellent spot for Roundtree, he lives & trains in Vegas

 

.... if KR comes out in the 1st going toe to toe, fade him for life (this one & the next)

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Your a **** idiot, you just tried to prove your point by saying Glover is a stand up fighter, which he really isn't, he is not even the best stand up fighter in that division. You want to talk about stand up, look at guys like Conor McGregor and Whittaker, we also going to pretend De Silva is a good fighter? lost his last 4, including a 22 second KO against Cutelaba. There is no hype behind him for one simple fact, he is too old, he won't have the time left to make anything of himself in MMA and he also looked far from great in his debut. 

 

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we had james toney in ufc... we have had high level standup fighters before and they do terrible in mma cause they cant wrestle.

 

James Toney was a joke. He didn't train and had zero intent to really get into MMA. It was just an easy paycheck for him and for a while he was actually the best paid fighter on the UFC roster. The truth is that the level of striking in MMA is crap compared to the top level in  kickboxing and especially boxing. That's why the guys who do have some skills like Anderson Silva or McGregor were able to beat anyone in the ufc without breaking a sweat. Obviously every UFC fighter needs to know Jiu Jitsu and wrestling to be successful in MMA, but you don't need to be a master in them just to defend take downs and submissions. For a pro athlete that is a lot easier to learn than reaching a level in (kick)boxing to compete at the highest level. 

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Roundtree should observe Mutante's approach to fighting a renowned kickboxer @ 224 .......

 

Are u talking about Karl Roberson? That dude had 3 kickboxing matches and lost all of them... Anyways, all I'm saying is that we have never really seen such an accomplished and skilled striker like Saki in the UFC. The man has 83 wins (59 KOs) and only 12 losses, which were all against K1 heavy weight legends like Badr Hari. At LHW the guy is an absolute beast. Will his wrestling be good enough to go far in the division? Who knows, but people should at least be excited to see what he can do in the UFC. I'm just surprised about the lack of hype, that's all.  

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Karl Roberson would easily beat Gokhan Saki. lol

 

What makes you think that? Karl Roberson tried kickboxing and just doesn't have the skills to compete in there. He had 3 matches, lost em all and got KO'd by a guy with a 10-8 record. That's why he's doing MMA instead. It's the same thing for all pro fighters who know they can't make it in boxing or kickboxing. There's just levels to striking and unfortunately we will never see a true top boxer in his prime like Errol Spence transition to MMA when they get paid millions in boxing. However it's still interesting to at least see a top level kickboxer switch to MMA. 

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I think the best answer to your question is for there to be hype there needs to have been something to warrant hype around him. Gokhan has done nothing to deserve that.

 

  • He fought a guy who was 0-3 in his ufc run
  • Got tagged multiple times by a very average striker
  • Was gassing by the end of RD 1
  • Has a 1-1 record
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What makes you think that? Karl Roberson tried kickboxing and just doesn't have the skills to compete in there. He had 3 matches, lost em all and got KO'd by a guy with a 10-8 record. That's why he's doing MMA instead. It's the same thing for all pro fighters who know they can't make it in boxing or kickboxing. There's just levels to striking and unfortunately we will never see a true top boxer in his prime like Errol Spence transition to MMA when they get paid millions in boxing. However it's still interesting to at least see a top level kickboxer switch to MMA. 

Should probably stop talking up gokan before rountree knocks him out and humiliates you off the forums.

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Should probably stop talking up gokan before rountree knocks him out and humiliates you off the forums.

 

Come on now, did you see Rountree hyper ventilating at the press interview? The guy is already soiling his pants... 

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