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Which Two Weight Champion Is The Most Impressive?

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Which Two Weight Champion Is Most Impressive?  

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  1. 1. Who Do You Think?

    • Randy Couture
      2
    • B.J. Penn
      1
    • Conor McGregor
      4
    • George St-Pierre
      3
    • Daniel Cormier
      18

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Jolldan

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Randy Couture

 

For: Won the Heavyweight title 3 times and the Lightheavyweight title 2 times, the oldest champion of all time.

 

Against: Was finished regularly throughout his career.

 

 

B.J. Penn

 

For: BJ was always a smaller Lightweight so the fact that he managed to also win the title at Welterweight is very impressive.

 

Against: Fighting on far too long has left a bad mark especially towards the end of Penn's career where he lost his last 5 fights in a row and 7 o his last 9 all together.

 

 

Conor McGregor

 

For: Quickest rise of a star in the history of the sport and he took the Featherweight belt from arguably the greatest Featherweight of all time.

 

Against: He has never made a single title defence.

 

 

George St-Pierre

 

For: Only 2 losses in his whole career and has beaten Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight champions.

 

Against: Vacated the Middleweight title immediately after winning it.

 

 

Daniel Cormier

 

For: Undefeated at Heavyweight and just beat the longest defending UFC Heavyweight champion for that belt.

 

Against: Many will argue that the only reason he ever attainted the Lightheavyweight title is due to Jo Jones suspended.

 

 

 

Which one do you guys think?

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OzPride

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Randy for sure. The Fedor of the UFC with respect to his weight and divisions. If he was young these days he'd probably cut to MW going by the current fighters.

 

DC is a natural HW that cuts and has at times (towellgate) been questionable at the lighter weight. Dominating giys smaller than you isn't nearly as impressive as the other way.

 

Conor - natural LW if not WW. Again his weight cutting canliness greatly contributed to his success at FW, and to a point, that and a favourable matchup helped him take the LW belt.

 

BJ was legit, BUT he beat Hughes and never defended, not as impressive as his LW run.

 

GSP beat Bisping who had one foot out the door, but moved up to do it against a significantly larger opponent.

 

IMO ranks like this

 

Randy

GSP

DC

Conor

BJ

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PlatinumClegg

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Oz... you're retarded.  Randy Couture's 19-11 record wasn't even legit.  He lost the first Rizzo fight and even he knows it.  When they announced him winner he shrugged like "Wow"

 

Brandon Vera also beat him up.  His record should stand at 17-13.

 

Cormier's record should be undefeated because Jones was on steroids for both fights.  14-0 at heavyweight and never lost a round.  Second two weight world champion with belts at the same time.  The only one to have ever defended a title.

 

Anyone that doesn't pick DC is a moron.

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Bubba_Sparks

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Lol, please update poll to include all 5 entrants Jolldan! Unless this is some next-level trolling and you've deliberately left DC out!

 

In an attempt to avoid confirmation bias and recency bias, here's my take on things.  I'm gonna give marks out of 5 for each belt.  Also going to focus on their performance specifically in that period (i.e BJ Penn being a total can in the past 5 years is irrelevant.

 

Randy - 8/10

LHW - won it by beating prime Chuck and prime Tito.  Lost it, won it again.  Only managed one defence though. 4/5

HW - first time round was iffy.  Second time; came out of retirement at 40+.  Beat a much bigger man. Defended it against Gonzaga before losing to the beast incarnate himself.  4/5

 

BJ - 7/10

LW - Made Joe daddy cry. Defeated Sean the roider Sherk.  Made Sanchez and Florian look amateur. 5/5

WW - Beat a complacement Hughes and never defended.  Fell well short in his second go, albeit against a rather greasy champ. 2/5

 

Conor - 6/10

FW - Dethroned the p4p best at the time, and finished all but one fights at FW.  Lack of defences lose a mark. 4/5

LW - Gifted a shot against an unimpressive champion, and of course didn't defend.  Gets a bonus mark for schooling Eddie and the drama of the moment.  2/5

 

GSP - 7/10

WW - As dull as a lot of it was, GSP beat everyone decent on his way to a shot, dethroned a legend and defended against all-comers. 5/5

MW - Gifted a shot against a one-eyed champion who already had retirement on his mind.  Subsequently tapped to his own colon. 2/5

 

DC - 9/10

LHW - Made anyone not called Jones look silly at LHW.  Didn't fight that many people to get the shot though.  4/5

HW - Beat the most dominant HW champ ever, in convincing fashion.  Straight away challenged a monstrous HW. 5/5

 

There you have it.  I will vote when all options are available.  For me it goes:-

1. DC

2. Randy

3= BJ/GSP

5. Conor

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OzPride

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Lol, please update poll to include all 5 entrants Jolldan! Unless this is some next-level trolling and you've deliberately left DC out!

 

In an attempt to avoid confirmation bias and recency bias, here's my take on things. I'm gonna give marks out of 5 for each belt. Also going to focus on their performance specifically in that period (i.e BJ Penn being a total can in the past 5 years is irrelevant.

 

Randy - 8/10

LHW - won it by beating prime Chuck and prime Tito. Lost it, won it again. Only managed one defence though. 4/5

HW - first time round was iffy. Second time; came out of retirement at 40+. Beat a much bigger man. Defended it against Gonzaga before losing to the beast incarnate himself. 4/5

 

BJ - 7/10

LW - Made Joe daddy cry. Defeated Sean the roider Sherk. Made Sanchez and Florian look amateur. 5/5

WW - Beat a complacement Hughes and never defended. Fell well short in his second go, albeit against a rather greasy champ. 2/5

 

Conor - 6/10

FW - Dethroned the p4p best at the time, and finished all but one fights at FW. Lack of defences lose a mark. 4/5

LW - Gifted a shot against an unimpressive champion, and of course didn't defend. Gets a bonus mark for schooling Eddie and the drama of the moment. 2/5

 

GSP - 7/10

WW - As dull as a lot of it was, GSP beat everyone decent on his way to a shot, dethroned a legend and defended against all-comers. 5/5

MW - Gifted a shot against a one-eyed champion who already had retirement on his mind. Subsequently tapped to his own colon. 2/5

 

DC - 9/10

LHW - Made anyone not called Jones look silly at LHW. Didn't fight that many people to get the shot though. 4/5

HW - Beat the most dominant HW champ ever, in convincing fashion. Straight away challenged a monstrous HW. 5/5

 

There you have it. I will vote when all options are available. For me it goes:-

1. DC

2. Randy

3= BJ/GSP

5. Conor

Bubba minus 1 point for hanging on the towell to make weight, it's in his pre fight "keys to victory" Edited by Ozpride
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Lol, please update poll to include all 5 entrants Jolldan! Unless this is some next-level trolling and you've deliberately left DC out!

 

In an attempt to avoid confirmation bias and recency bias, here's my take on things.  I'm gonna give marks out of 5 for each belt.  Also going to focus on their performance specifically in that period (i.e BJ Penn being a total can in the past 5 years is irrelevant.

 

Randy - 8/10

LHW - won it by beating prime Chuck and prime Tito.  Lost it, won it again.  Only managed one defence though. 4/5

HW - first time round was iffy.  Second time; came out of retirement at 40+.  Beat a much bigger man. Defended it against Gonzaga before losing to the beast incarnate himself.  4/5

 

BJ - 7/10

LW - Made Joe daddy cry. Defeated Sean the roider Sherk.  Made Sanchez and Florian look amateur. 5/5

WW - Beat a complacement Hughes and never defended.  Fell well short in his second go, albeit against a rather greasy champ. 2/5

 

Conor - 6/10

FW - Dethroned the p4p best at the time, and finished all but one fights at FW.  Lack of defences lose a mark. 4/5

LW - Gifted a shot against an unimpressive champion, and of course didn't defend.  Gets a bonus mark for schooling Eddie and the drama of the moment.  2/5

 

GSP - 7/10

WW - As dull as a lot of it was, GSP beat everyone decent on his way to a shot, dethroned a legend and defended against all-comers. 5/5

MW - Gifted a shot against a one-eyed champion who already had retirement on his mind.  Subsequently tapped to his own colon. 2/5

 

DC - 9/10

LHW - Made anyone not called Jones look silly at LHW.  Didn't fight that many people to get the shot though.  4/5

HW - Beat the most dominant HW champ ever, in convincing fashion.  Straight away challenged a monstrous HW. 5/5

 

There you have it.  I will vote when all options are available.  For me it goes:-

1. DC

2. Randy

3= BJ/GSP

5. Conor

10/10 post. 

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GSP without a doubt. by a landslide. its not even up for debate.

 

technically he is still the reigning undisputed champion of 3 weight divisions, and has taken out former GOAT's, Hall of Famers, and champions in the ufc and many other promotions along the way. He has defeated every fighter he has ever faced during his career, has set pretty much every single record one can set, has never pissed dirty or missed weight. and even a train couldnt finish the legendary Matt Hughes, but GSP did, twice.

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King_Can

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GSP and DC tie for 1st

 

DC did it while he was the LHW champ but you could argue that he was the same size as Stipe because he weighed in heavier, plus the shadow of Jon Jones

 

GSP was dramatically smaller than bisping, although he didn't deserve the title shot and Bisping was a shell of what he was and wasn't the current best MW at th time, just happened to be the champion, he also cleared out his division back in his day more dominantly 

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I can see arguments for Conor (first to do it and dominated in both title fights), DC (beat hw goat), bj (won heavier belt first), and Randy (won each belt twice!).

 

DC now has a chance to be truly unique by defending both belts. If he's retiring in March next year he's still got time for an lhw defence before a big finish against Brock in his retirement fight next year.

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Don't you bash Eddie and say hes garbage on the daily?

Sure. But if I'm comparing what Conor did to Alvarez to any of Cormier's championship fights, it's not close. Conor's four piece that Eddie ate like it was his job is the nastiest highlight finish I can remember off the top of my head.
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Cormier cannot erase the Jones fights.

 

Conor hasn't lost a title fight, and what he did to Aldo and Alvarez were the most impressive beatings in the bunch.

Cormier lost to Jon Jones, who is a juicy ****.

 

Conor lost to Nate ****ing Diaz who took the fight on a weeks notice when he was drunk on a boat in Cabo.

 

Cormier also won't be stripped of both titles due to cowardice.

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Sure. But if I'm comparing what Conor did to Alvarez to any of Cormier's championship fights, it's not close. Conor's four piece that Eddie ate like it was his job is the nastiest highlight finish I can remember off the top of my head.

 

He didn't even sleep Eddie... who is a can btw.  He TKO's shopworn chumps for belts. Unless that chump is named Nate Diaz then he gets beat up by a fighter sporting a Randy Couture record... lol.  DC just slumped the now second greatest HW of all time in one.

 

Disregard this trolling bastard everyone.  He was the first forum member to say outright that Aldo vs McGregor was a fixed fight.  Not that the knockout wasn't real but that Aldo was compensated to fight out of character and charge forward.

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I_Take_Roids_m8

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I dont see where KOing someone in 13 seconds is mire impressive than dominating someone for 3 or 5 rounds.

 

KHABIB and LEEs display against Barboza was far more impressive than a flash KO in a few seconds.

 

One shows dominance, the other shows luck.

 

And Conor lost his credibility when he got strangled by a Diaz and then ran the second fight for three rounds out of the five.

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I dont see where KOing someone in 13 seconds is mire impressive than dominating someone for 3 or 5 rounds.

 

KHABIB and LEEs display against Barboza was far more impressive than a flash KO in a few seconds.

 

One shows dominance, the other shows luck.

 

And Conor lost his credibility when he got strangled by a Diaz and then ran the second fight for three rounds out of the five.

when is the last time you've seen a LHW or HW champ under six feet tall never mind a DUAL WEIGHT champ

Conor made a career out of beating midgets 

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Cormier lost to Jon Jones, who is a juicy ****.

 

Conor lost to Nate **** Diaz who took the fight on a weeks notice when he was drunk on a boat in Cabo.

 

Cormier also won't be stripped of both titles due to cowardice.

Conor proved it was a fluke in the run back

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Conor proved it was a fluke in the run back

By running away like a shook b1tch to win an obviously fixed decision?

 

Nate finished that scrandy, Comber won a decision that wasn't even unanimous. Dude sucks. He had to change sports to avoid a rubber match.

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I would rate each person on the fights in which they won their titles. So, Conor takes it. DC isn't even really a 2 division champion. And quit talking about Stipe being a dominant champion.

 

Defended the belt three times in a row, more than any another Heavyweight in UFC history. How is that not dominant?

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This poll should only be open for those capable of making subjective, fact - based analysis. Frankly most of you should have voting privileges revoked.

Why didn't you mention Tim Sylvia by name in your Couture summary? Couture was run out of light heavyweight by Chuck, and ended up winning the historically weakest division in the UFC.

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Least to most impressive:

 

Couture- favorable matchmaking and fighting in the infantile stages of the sport, not too impressive, wouldnt be able to win the title if you put him in his prime in the UFC today

 

GSP - the MW title is a fluke, Bisping was a fluke title holder, it was just timing and opportunity

 

Penn- LW to WW is one hell of a weight jump, the size difference between those two weight classes is pretty large so you have to give Penn some props for that, but his inability to beat GSP hurts him.

 

DC - incredibly impressive but he only has the LHW title because Jon Jones is an idiot, also with how big people are at HW and how simple physics work, the HW belt is the easiest to win, hence why you dont see long title reigns there

 

Conor - steam rolled an entire division, fought mendes on short notice on one acl won the interim, slept one of the best fighters of all time at 145 in 13 seconds to secure the undisputed title, dominated and toyed with Eddie Alvarez, made the LW champ look like he didnt even belong in the cage with him

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Bubba_Sparks

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Why didn't you mention Tim Sylvia by name in your Couture summary? Couture was run out of light heavyweight by Chuck, and ended up winning the historically weakest division in the UFC.

No real reason. The point was that he came out of retirement and beat a genuine HW. I agree that Tim is not the strongest hw champ ever but you can only beat who's there.

 

For the record, your synopsis was one of only 2 others that came across as subjective and rational. We should probably just form a panel for these kind of things.

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No real reason. The point was that he came out of retirement and beat a genuine HW. I agree that Tim is not the strongest hw champ ever but you can only beat who's there.

 

For the record, your synopsis was one of only 2 others that came across as subjective and rational. We should probably just form things.a panel for these kind of things.

There should be a forum panel of forum members over the age of 50 to school the younger forum members.

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