stehilton94 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 He was on Below the Belt with Brendan "Eskimo brother" Schaub. Explained how UFC refused to give him anything because he was not willing to take a last minute replacement after Max pulled out. Ortega did all his media obligations including the Spanish part of it. Weight cut was also done. Ortega didn't want to fight any fight but the fight for the belt, which I have to agree with, it is not up to him to save a card or throw his title shot away because Max didn't show up, some fighters will step up, some won't, you cannot hate on that. Imagine winning 14 in a row, getting your title shot, and a few days out being told nah, he out, fight this guy and if you lose thats your chance gone, it takes a special type of guy to accept that. So what is your opinion? I can see all the keyboard warriors smashing their keyboards "Hes a fighter, he has to fight blah blah blah". He recieved 0 money and has had to pay his camp. Ortega was also happy to fight anyone for the real belt, not just Max, and they suggest the interim belt, which actually comes with no financial benefit and no real reason to exist. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Take_Roids_m8 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 OP is clearly biased to Ortega. lol The guy is a FIGHTER. He FIGHTS for his paycheck. He does not TRAIN for his paycheck. The fact that he has to pay for a gym membership, or take classes to acquire the skills he needs in the cage, doesn't make a difference to the organization. Whether you spend $50 a month or $10,000, that's your decision. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stehilton94 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 You just prove the point I made, Frankie took a chance vs Ortega, instead of waiting for Max, and now lost his chance at the title 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 You just prove the point I made, Frankie took a chance vs Ortega, instead of waiting for Max, and now lost his chance at the title Lol.. you mean the guy who said no to the same thing, and is now crying because he didn't get paid for working out? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Should have been paid but glad he wasn't because he should have fought probably was having nightmares of lil heathen knocking his block off the ufc does pick and chose who they do and do not pay when it comes to there opponents pulling out and what not, they need consistentcy in this matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolldan Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Hate that im away to play devil's advocate for the ufc but were the UFC in anyway obligated to pay him anything? I agree that they have ****ty contracts but why would Dana or the ufc pay him if they are not legally obligated to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Sparks Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 You just prove the point I made, Frankie took a chance vs Ortega, instead of waiting for Max, and now lost his chance at the title Hmm....I suspect Frankie may well get a title shot before Ortega though. Plus he earned himself almost $200k for taking a last minute fight. I don't think only keyboard warriors believe that someone should only get their pay when they fulfill all aspects of their contract. I'm not going to hate on Ortega for not taking the fight; it's his decision, but it comes as no surprise that he has not been rewarded for taking the safer option. Call me old skool, but I will always respect fighters who will fight anyone, anywhere more than those who won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stehilton94 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Lol.. you mean the guy who said no to the same thing, and is now crying because he didn't get paid for working out? Look how that played out for Frankie..... Ortega simply doesnt want to do the same. Also, you go do weeks upon weeks of Media work and get paid absolutely nothing for it, also cut weight and show up, see how you feel about receiving nothing for your time. Ortega should have accepted a fight, but I won't hate on him for not doing it, The guy earned his chance, as for Stephens, we all going to pretend Ortega hasn't beat 3 of the last 5 guys to beat Stephens? with the other 2 being Max and Oliveira? He also needs to get past Aldo, which people are assuming is going to happen, we don't know which Aldo we will see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 He's not entitled to anything, managers need to get it written into contracts if they want money when their opponents pull out due to drinking too much water 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird86 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Should have received show money. I don't blame him from holding out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezerker101 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 .. yeah, .. his show money was his win money, he said Dana agreed to pay for his camp 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolldan Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Could also set a dangerous precedent for the UFC is they become obligated to pay fighters whether they fight or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stehilton94 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 .. yeah, .. his show money was his win money, he said Dana agreed to pay for his camp Fake news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Could also set a dangerous precedent for the UFC is they become obligated to pay fighters whether they fight or not.Bingo. Everybody would be drinking too much water. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertFTW Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Saw the interview.....one question....Why would a roiding hippie from the hood wear spray on fit jeans? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwennyFo Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Could also set a dangerous precedent for the UFC is they become obligated to pay fighters whether they fight or not. Nah. The fighter who pulls out is the one at fault and the one who breaks the contract. That's who gets nothing. The other fighter, whoever that may be, has fulfilled their obligations and should get paid. **** the U Fight Cheap. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwennyFo Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) managers need to get it written into contracts if they want money when their opponents pull out due to drinking too much water The ufc would fight this i'm sure but it should be a given for the fighters. Edited July 20, 2018 by TwennyFo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertFTW Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Nah. The fighter who pulls out is the one at fault and the one who breaks the contract. That's who gets nothing. The other fighter, whoever that may be, has fulfilled their obligations and should get paid. **** the U Fight Cheap. not accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Good Fook that manbun idiot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillandpower Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 I wonder who was the last replacement ... who did Ortega duck ? Whoever Ortega ducked should be getting the next title shot then but Ortegas was clearly not sure he could beat the guy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_Etiquette Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Cut Ortega. Strip McGregor. Retire Cormier. Life in prison Woodley. Simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertFTW Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 I wonder who was the last replacement ... who did Ortega duck ? Whoever Ortega ducked should be getting the next title shot then but Ortegas was clearly not sure he could beat the guy lol 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillandpower Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 ^^^ Ok then. There we go. Jeremy is due to a title shot anyways! Holloway vs Who da fook is that guy sounds reasonable to me. When he KOs ppl they dont fook move 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stehilton94 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 ^^^ Ok then. There we go. Jeremy is due to a title shot anyways! Holloway vs Who da fook is that guy sounds reasonable to me. When he KOs ppl they dont fook move Holloway is finished at that weight, he will never get clear to fight at it again after the recent ****. Stephens vs Ortega could actually end up as the full title match 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillandpower Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Holloway is finished at that weight, he will never get clear to fight at it again after the recent ****. Stephens vs Ortega could actually end up as the full title match I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyDelta Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Good **** um 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATSTER Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 It's almost like the UFC expects fighters to do their jobs and earn the money as oppose to hand it out Quite the concept 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Look how that played out for Frankie..... Ortega simply doesnt want to do the same. . So he figures he will lose. Guess he is not ready for the championship level if he cant take a fight against his perfect opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 From a business perspective the UFC did the right thing. I'm assuming they lost some ppv buys from losing that fight so he lost money as well. If the UFC covered his camp expenses then that is all he can expect. He's not the first fighter to miss out on pay by turning down a last minute fight. I don't blame him for doing it but he needs to deal with the consequences of making that choice. Btw the interim title does come with perks. Some contracts have it where you get paid more for winning any title including interim. Also if max is done at 145 then he would become the undisputed champion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillandpower Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Btw the interim title does come with perks. Some contracts have it where you get paid more for winning any title including interim. Also if max is done at 145 then he would become the undisputed champion. So his last minute replacement was going to be for an interim title ? If so, yes he was dumb for not accepting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-idyb- Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) You just prove the point I made, Frankie took a chance vs Ortega, instead of waiting for Max, and now lost his chance at the title frankie gets handed title shots and rematches every other weekend so its not a big issue to him if he misses out on one. he'll get another as soon as he decisions out a win on someone. Edited July 20, 2018 by -idyb- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Jeremy Stephens was going to knock this roiding hippie CLEAN OUT. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 frankie gets handed title shots and rematches every other weekend so its not a big issue to him if he misses out on one. he'll get another as soon as he decisions out a win on someone. Little Frank earned all 37 title shots. Same for Faber. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoZZez Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 I honestly do not see what the problem is.Dana pays the guy to show up and fight.Having to train prior to make his case for better pay and keeping the UFC wanting him is part of the process that he chooses to do. He showed up, his opponent was out. He got offered the ability to continue to fight and he turned the offer down. So he is not fullfilling his end to fight for his money.Does someone go to Mcdonalds, look at their menu, then say **** it lets go get a whopper and as they leave, the Manager tells them they owe them for having to pay for the lights and building that they get to walk into?No, having the building gives them the ability to sell their services, which is paid into the price.Ortega wants to get paid, go and fulfill his end and fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 You just prove the point I made, Frankie took a chance vs Ortega, instead of waiting for Max, and now lost his chance at the title And Oretega wouldn't extend the same courtesy to Frankie, which is his prerogative, but the UFC doesn't have to pay him when he refused to fight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Little Frank will serve him the hands if Brian has the nuts to catch a fade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 So his last minute replacement was going to be for an interim title ? If so, yes he was dumb for not accepting it That's what I read at the time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 lol Ortega is not off the hook yet, Dana ALWAYS holds the grudge, he will probably have the poor guy fight MJ with rocks in his gloves 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 lol Ortega is not off the hook yet, Dana ALWAYS holds the grudge, he will probably have the poor guy fight MJ with rocks in his gloves Little Frank and Jeremy rematch for the real strap. Max the fat skinny Mexican is the biggest champion on the roster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Brian Ortega is cringe. Jeremy Stephens was going to decapitate that goof. Good choice to duck. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird86 Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Saw the interview.....one question....Why would a roiding hippie from the hood wear spray on fit jeans? Weren’t you the one that started a thread asking what types of pants forum members liked? Stop this pants fixation fetishist! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Weren’t you the one that started a thread asking what types of pants forum members liked? Stop this pants fixation fetishist! That idiot wears skinny jeans lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertFTW Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 That idiot wears skinny jeans lol Ortega? No those were spray on fit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 That idiot wears skinny jeans lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwennyFo Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Holloway is finished at that weight, he will never get clear to fight at it again after the recent ****. Stephens vs Ortega could actually end up as the full title match Ortega told Dana he'd be happy to fight who da fook is dat guy if it was for the title. Dana shoulda thrown that weight cutting can Holloway out with the bath water, shoulda let them bang bro. Ortega asked to step in against Kabob when Ferguson pulled out but Dana gave it to Holloway who, again, couldn't make weight. Seems like Dana never learns. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumClegg Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Knocked out 3 midgets and now your pumped up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookork Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 If it was in his contract to be paid then Ortega has a valid point but since I am almost sure it was not in his contract then I don't get why he is even complaining. Fighters payments should not be part of day to day discussion but it is because it is entertainment in some levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashfl0w Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 They paid him to make him stop crying like a little ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanPass Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) They paid him to make him stop crying like a little ****. Now he just messed up, the UFC brass will book him to lose now. They don't want a whiny **** at the top crying about contracts and money. Especially when they ducking fights and not saving cards to begin with. Edited July 21, 2018 by CanPass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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