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Bwana

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2 hours ago, skillandpower said:

I think this fight will barely go into the grappling department or to the ground honestly.

Once you have two high level grapplers it is very common that it ends up being a striking match and that being said I will take Oliveira by TKO on round 2.

Chuckie is BJJ, not a true grappler, Islam will man handle him then beat his brains in.

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15 minutes ago, skillandpower said:

Obviously I can see Islam beating Chuckie as I still think this is a 50/50 fight.

 

I don't disagree with that point, just don't see Chuckie KO'ing him.....50/50 sure

 

As you know BJJ and wrestling are very different strategies and offensive opportunities.

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4 minutes ago, Bwana said:

I don't disagree with that point, just don't see Chuckie KO'ing him.....50/50 sure

 

As you know BJJ and wrestling are very different strategies and offensive opportunities.

Yes I will agree with the difference between wrestling and BJJ but we can't sit here and automatically assume that a wrestler will always necessarily beat a BJJ.

So why couldn't Oliveira also submit Islam ?

It is definitely a 50/50 even on that department imo ... Islam could demolish Oliveira on the ground as could Oliveira strangle Islam and put him to sleep.

Definitely a super interesting match up for sure

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10 minutes ago, skillandpower said:

Yes I will agree with the difference between wrestling and BJJ but we can't sit here and automatically assume that a wrestler will always necessarily beat a BJJ.

So why couldn't Oliveira also submit Islam ?

It is definitely a 50/50 even on that department imo ... Islam could demolish Oliveira on the ground as could Oliveira strangle Islam and put him to sleep.

Definitely a super interesting match up for sure

 

 

Those guys from Dagestan aren't just wrestlers. Thwy train Sambo which focuses on all aspects of grappling and mastering it. 

 

Oliveria had a hard time subbing Kevin Lee. He isn't subbing Islam. If anything I see Chuckie giving up his back and getting choked out. 

 

 

His best route to victory is on the feet. His stand up has gotten worlds better over the years but Islam's striking isn't shabby either. 

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4 minutes ago, I_Take_Roids_m8 said:

 

 

Those guys from Dagestan aren't just wrestlers. Thwy train Sambo which focuses on all aspects of grappling and mastering it. 

 

Oliveria had a hard time subbing Kevin Lee. He isn't subbing Islam. If anything I see Chuckie giving up his back and getting choked out. 

 

 

His best route to victory is on the feet. His stand up has gotten worlds better over the years but Islam's striking isn't shabby either. 

 

17 minutes ago, skillandpower said:

Yes I will agree with the difference between wrestling and BJJ but we can't sit here and automatically assume that a wrestler will always necessarily beat a BJJ.

So why couldn't Oliveira also submit Islam ?

It is definitely a 50/50 even on that department imo ... Islam could demolish Oliveira on the ground as could Oliveira strangle Islam and put him to sleep.

Definitely a super interesting match up for sure

ITR answered the question perfectly, Sambo wrestlers tend to easily dominate BJJ experts. They are used to getting out of holds and body locks, and their style is far more aggressive both defense/offense than BJJ practitioners... BJJ is searching for a weakness against your opponent, Sambo & grapplers make the opening for a weakness....then grind you out, or ground & pound.

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48 minutes ago, Bwana said:

 

ITR answered the question perfectly, Sambo wrestlers tend to easily dominate BJJ experts. They are used to getting out of holds and body locks, and their style is far more aggressive both defense/offense than BJJ practitioners... BJJ is searching for a weakness against your opponent, Sambo & grapplers make the opening for a weakness....then grind you out, or ground & pound.

I will agree with you and @I_Take_Roids_m8 and I personally have no illusion on Oliveira submitting Islam at all.

My predictions on Oliveira winning is one only: on his feet, period.

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I honestly don't care I like Chuck on this run.  He only started beating good guys in the last few fights though.

Islam is really big for that division.  He's another welterweight fighting at lightweight.  I think Chuck is overpowered in the grappling exchanges.  You can't get reckless though or he might snatch your neck up.  You can't deny surviving Poirier dropping him twice and getting the stoppage.

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2 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

I honestly don't care I like Chuck on this run.  He only started beating good guys in the last few fights though.

Islam is really big for that division.  He's another welterweight fighting at lightweight.  I think Chuck is overpowered in the grappling exchanges.  You can't get reckless though or he might snatch your neck up.  You can't deny surviving Poirier dropping him twice and getting the stoppage.

You also can't deny that Poirier is an overrated bum

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7 hours ago, Bwana said:

Chuckie is BJJ, not a true grappler, Islam will man handle him then beat his brains in.

There's levels to BJJ and anyone with anything more than a blue stripe will tell you that Chuckies bottom game is nasty AF and tailor made to catch Sambo guys. This from probably the biggest Sambo supporter here who also holds a one stripe purple belt now - I'm sure @StompGrind 's ghost can attest to Chuckies game and how it will work against Degas. 

 

That all said I'm not sure it matters. I think his TDD is enough that he can keep it standing, eat a few shots on his way in and starch him on the feet 

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9 hours ago, OzPride said:

Once a glass jaw...

 

 

 

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lol at equating an early stoppage tko that happened seven years ago to almost double digit losses. 
 

Let’s start asking the kids Islam anda all the others went to school with how many school fights they lost because you clowns have nothing else to base your arguments on. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, OzPride said:

There's levels to BJJ and anyone with anything more than a blue stripe will tell you that Chuckies bottom game is nasty AF and tailor made to catch Sambo guys. This from probably the biggest Sambo supporter here who also holds a one stripe purple belt now - I'm sure @StompGrind 's ghost can attest to Chuckies game and how it will work against Degas. 

 

That all said I'm not sure it matters. I think his TDD is enough that he can keep it standing, eat a few shots on his way in and starch him on the feet 


the dude lost 9 times and half of them by submissions. He’s overrated and so is BJJ

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12 hours ago, OzPride said:

You also can't deny that Poirier is an overrated bum

Why did Chuck eat the canvas more than once?  You aren't making Chuck look good with this statement anyway.  Gaethje is a certified overrated bum so Chuck hasn't beat anyone of note in your eyes.  Tony is old and didn't even use trainers or training partners.

This unprofessional turd got his head caved in by a UFC commentator.  Got submitted by the likes of shop worn Pettis and weighed 155 for a 145 fight.  Went in and got submitted by Lamas who sucks.

Charlie is going to get dominated.

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2 hours ago, cashfl0w said:

Chick finna starch that ****.

Chick?  Look Gaethje's defensive holes and willingness to get punched in the head have already caught up to him.  He acts like Charlie is the hardest puncher ever.  No Justin you're just a battle worn bum.  I appreciate him bringing the violence.  I hope he made a lot of money in these 5 years.  That's basically how long I figured his career would last fighting legit competition.

Islam has one early stoppage TKO loss.  That was 7 years and a dozen fights ago.  He's 30 now so what 23 when he got dropped?  Same age as Khabib when he lost to roided Tibau.

Chuck gets dropped in every fight.  Now it's time to get thrown around and dominated on the mat.  I just can't get behind guys that can't be bothered to make weight.  "Chick" has how many misses?  6?  lol the dude was a sitting champion and had to cough up his title for half a pound.  What kind of dipchit misses championship weight as the champion by half a pound?

Yep just Charlie Olives.  Can't think of another champion losing his belt because he's an unprofessional piece of ****.  That costs so much money.  No champion sponsorship money and no revenue cut at all.  Not that anyone gives a **** about him but still he's an idiot.

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2 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Chick?  Look Gaethje's defensive holes and willingness to get punched in the head have already caught up to him.  He acts like Charlie is the hardest puncher ever.  No Justin you're just a battle worn bum.  I appreciate him bringing the violence.  I hope he made a lot of money in these 5 years.  That's basically how long I figured his career would last fighting legit competition.

Islam has one early stoppage TKO loss.  That was 7 years and a dozen fights ago.  He's 30 now so what 23 when he got dropped?  Same age as Khabib when he lost to roided Tibau.

Chuck gets dropped in every fight.  Now it's time to get thrown around and dominated on the mat.  I just can't get behind guys that can't be bothered to make weight.  "Chick" has how many misses?  6?  lol the dude was a sitting champion and had to cough up his title for half a pound.  What kind of dipchit misses championship weight as the champion by half a pound?

Yep just Charlie Olives.  Can't think of another champion losing his belt because he's an unprofessional piece of ****.  That costs so much money.  No champion sponsorship money and no revenue cut at all.  Not that anyone gives a **** about him but still he's an idiot.

The scale was broken, you dirtbag.

Listen, there can only be one dude who lost Tibau, but robbed him, and then beat such a savage as Al Iaquinta for the belt, and then retired 'undefeated' before fighting anybody worth a damn along the way. Makhachev will have to find somebody else to emulate.

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22 hours ago, cashfl0w said:

The scale was broken, you dirtbag.

Listen, there can only be one dude who lost Tibau, but robbed him, and then beat such a savage as Al Iaquinta for the belt, and then retired 'undefeated' before fighting anybody worth a damn along the way. Makhachev will have to find somebody else to emulate.

Was it broken when he missed weight by 10 pounds?  Lost by submission to an old bum that made weight.

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3 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Was it broken when he missed weight by 10 pounds?  Lost by submission to an old bum that made weight.

The other fighters made weight on the same scale, he had an hour to lose 1/2#. He came in at the last minute to weigh in, I think he was having a weight cut problem myself.

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Just now, Bwana said:

The other fighters made weight on the same scale, he had an hour to lose 1/2#. He came in at the last minute to weigh in, I think he was having a weight cut problem myself.

Yeah... the day before weigh ins he's on social media with a few quarter pounders with fries and a soda.  He had every intention of missing weight by a mile.  Cough up a percentage but bag a win.  Lamas made weight and choked him out.

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8 minutes ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Oh yeah you were talking the half pound.  Exactly they didn't switch scales to make him lose his belt.  He's just a ****ing idiot.

No, he was using the UFC scale the night before, and said he made weight....but the next day had gained 1/2# when on the official scale. But I've read other fighters say you can gain weight over night, not sure on the science of it....either way he shouldn't have waited till the last minute which seems suspect. If I can make weight in the morning on fight day, I weigh in officially then eat & drink like a pig to re-hydrate...his story doesn't make sense.

So he claims to still be the Champ, and nothing has changed because of the weigh-in issue....I like Chuckie but it sounds like bullchiit to me.

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8 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Was it broken when he missed weight by 10 pounds?  Lost by submission to an old bum that made weight.

No, he was with some jerks who took him to McDonalds, and he was high as chit. He ate 13 double cheeseburgers like everybody else does. Get off his sack!

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19 hours ago, Bwana said:

No, he was using the UFC scale the night before, and said he made weight....but the next day had gained 1/2# when on the official scale. But I've read other fighters say you can gain weight over night, not sure on the science of it....either way he shouldn't have waited till the last minute which seems suspect. If I can make weight in the morning on fight day, I weigh in officially then eat & drink like a pig to re-hydrate...his story doesn't make sense.

So he claims to still be the Champ, and nothing has changed because of the weigh-in issue....I like Chuckie but it sounds like bullchiit to me.

I always lose weight after sleep but I'm not cutting weight.  I'm adding weight so I could see how they get back a little.

Anyway so Chuck weighed in last?  lol if that unprofessional ****head was on weight he would've been the first on the scale.  That's an extra 2 hours to rehydrate.  He's full of **** and I seriously cannot think of a UFC champion to be stripped of his title because he can't be bothered to make weight.  History of weight missing and then reaches the pinnacle and does it again.  Who trains this idiot?

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1 hour ago, PlatinumClegg said:

I always lose weight after sleep but I'm not cutting weight.  I'm adding weight so I could see how they get back a little.

Anyway so Chuck weighed in last?  lol if that unprofessional ****head was on weight he would've been the first on the scale.  That's an extra 2 hours to rehydrate.  He's full of **** and I seriously cannot think of a UFC champion to be stripped of his title because he can't be bothered to make weight.  History of weight missing and then reaches the pinnacle and does it again.  Who trains this idiot?

Chuck was the first Champion to miss weight in a title defense in the UFC.

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1 hour ago, I_Take_Roids_m8 said:


he lost according to who? mouth breathers on the internet that are nobodies? Khabib outclassed that bum in every way imaginable and the judges scored it as such. 
 

 

 

People who score every single fight for MMA websites, and just people who know what they're looking at. Do you want me to post the MMA Decisions screenshot?

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17 minutes ago, cashfl0w said:

People who score every single fight for MMA websites, and just people who know what they're looking at. Do you want me to post the MMA Decisions screenshot?


 

I don’t care about those mouth breathers. Any random on the internet can make a website and give their opinions.

 

there’s a reason why their Cheeto fingers are just typing on a keyboard and not at events judging. They’re morons. 

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2 hours ago, I_Take_Roids_m8 said:


 

I don’t care about those mouth breathers. Any random on the internet can make a website and give their opinions.

 

there’s a reason why their Cheeto fingers are just typing on a keyboard and not at events judging. They’re morons. 

Actually, I'm fairly sure the people at Sherdog would have had a table in the media section. At least one of them.

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5 hours ago, cashfl0w said:

Actually, I'm fairly sure the people at Sherdog would have had a table in the media section. At least one of them.

They had 2 seats of the 15 back when they disclosed the list but now they keep it quiet. I'd find it hard to believe Jay Pettry doesn't get a vote. Consistently the best play by play guy and he's fairly high in the Sherdog heirachy. 

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