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Listen, everybody who knows what they're looking at knew Big Mouth hadn't learned to wrestle in the last few months. He stood zero chance. And let's face it, Nate was going to get raped worse. 

Neither guy is necessarily a can. Chimaev is just a weight bully. His wins over middleweights are his most impressive, as he's a goddamn light heavyweight. lol

I don't want to see another lopsided matchup for him. He needs to fight somebody like Jiri Prochazka. Somebody his size, and his capabilities. I don't want another fat lightweight scheduled. It seems super clear to me that he's not taking fights that are even slightly challenging. That's lame for me. I don't like the idea that you can handpick potatoes to beat, and then be championed as some sort of future GOAT. Fight quality competition, or GFY.

Say stupid chit below.

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Weigh these idiots in hour before the event. They can still be wcc but there are consequences. I remember these kids in high school running around the gym before weigh in with garbage bags on trying to make weight while i was sitting at HW eating a chew steak and fries and washing it down with a coke! 
 

 

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3 hours ago, I_Take_Roids_m8 said:

Weigh these idiots in hour before the event. They can still be wcc but there are consequences. I remember these kids in high school running around the gym before weigh in with garbage bags on trying to make weight while i was sitting at HW eating a chew steak and fries and washing it down with a coke! 
 

 

They won't do that due to fear of lawsuits if a dehydrated fighter gets hurt or dies. At least right now they can pretend they can be fully hydrated since they have 24 hours to rehydrate. 

One FC seems to have a good system with the weight checks and hydration tests. Dana is just too stubborn to make changes. Same reason we don't have a 195 weight class. 

I don't want a ton of weight classes but it makes sense to add at least a 195 and maybe a 225. After that the weight doesn't mean as much because the really heavy ones have either fat or too much bulk that will slow you down. 

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4 minutes ago, juice64011 said:

They won't do that due to fear of lawsuits if a dehydrated fighter gets hurt or dies. At least right now they can pretend they can be fully hydrated since they have 24 hours to rehydrate. 

One FC seems to have a good system with the weight checks and hydration tests. Dana is just too stubborn to make changes. Same reason we don't have a 195 weight class. 

I don't want a ton of weight classes but it makes sense to add at least a 195 and maybe a 225. After that the weight doesn't mean as much because the really heavy ones have either fat or too much bulk that will slow you down. 

 

Randomly weigh the fighters throughout camp and ensure that they are within 5lbs of the weight class. 

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2 hours ago, juice64011 said:

They won't do that due to fear of lawsuits if a dehydrated fighter gets hurt or dies. At least right now they can pretend they can be fully hydrated since they have 24 hours to rehydrate. 

One FC seems to have a good system with the weight checks and hydration tests. Dana is just too stubborn to make changes. Same reason we don't have a 195 weight class. 

I don't want a ton of weight classes but it makes sense to add at least a 195 and maybe a 225. After that the weight doesn't mean as much because the really heavy ones have either fat or too much bulk that will slow you down. 

LOL Juice come on man!  Did you pay attention to their Amazon Prime debut card at all?

HALF of the fights either missed weight, failed the hydration test or both.  Not a single goddamn one of them got pulled from the event.  Under their criteria if you fail the hydration test you cannot fight...

Well the welterweight that DJ knocked the **** out failed his hydration test because he cuts 40 pounds.  Still fought.  Still got knocked out by a 125er up at 135.  That idiot should be fighting at 155 if he wants to pass their tests.

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41 minutes ago, OmoGOAT said:

I agree w the sentiment of cashbros OP but I would like to see how this terrorist idiot stacks up against someone like Colby if he insists on competing at WW.

The build up alone would be legendary.

That idiot wouldn't get Colby down and keep him there.  He would gas out if it's 5 rounds.  Colby is pillow fisted though.

Nate batters and stops that bum in the FiF.

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Kevin Holland is 6 inches taller and has about 30+ pounds on me.  I would wrestle that kid tonight.  Ankle pick him, suplex him, take his wallet, smack him when he opens his mouth and I never wrestled.  I was a jits player like him.  The only difference is a blue belt from Mickey Swafford is easily better than a black belt from Travis Lutter.

Khamzat sucks too I was watching that clock and he actually shot for a takedown in less than one second.  Pretty ****ing amazing for the dude that will KILL EVERYBODY!

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1 hour ago, OmoGOAT said:

I agree w the sentiment of cashbros OP but I would like to see how this terrorist idiot stacks up against someone like Colby if he insists on competing at WW.

The build up alone would be legendary.

He's not bullying Colby around. However, I'm not even super certain Chimaev can make WW consistently. 

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1 hour ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Khamzat sucks too I was watching that clock and he actually shot for a takedown in less than one second.  Pretty ****ing amazing for the dude that will KILL EVERYBODY!

Taking someone down and ragdolling them straight from the starting bell is legit, but the fake glove touch to do it is total BS. He would have gassed by the 2nd round, and no doctor told him to quit cutting weight....he obviously doesn't give a chiit, and thinks he'll kill everyone in the UFC.

Dana must hate his boy right now, no way he gets a title shot anytime soon...he doesn't care if he makes weight.

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1 hour ago, Bwana said:

Taking someone down and ragdolling them straight from the starting bell is legit, but the fake glove touch to do it is total BS. He would have gassed by the 2nd round, and no doctor told him to quit cutting weight....he obviously doesn't give a chiit, and thinks he'll kill everyone in the UFC.

Dana must hate his boy right now, no way he gets a title shot anytime soon...he doesn't care if he makes weight.

Dana needs to force his **** to MW

If he doesn't give a **** to make WW, then put him at MW where he won't miss. Essentially what they did with Gastelum

For the bold - Chimaev is the #1 heel in the UFC as far as I'm concerned. He overtook Colby last night, especially after his octagon interview with Joe when he said he gave zero chits. So for baldy, that's money for him

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2 hours ago, Bwana said:

Taking someone down and ragdolling them straight from the starting bell is legit, but the fake glove touch to do it is total BS. He would have gassed by the 2nd round, and no doctor told him to quit cutting weight....he obviously doesn't give a chiit, and thinks he'll kill everyone in the UFC.

Dana must hate his boy right now, no way he gets a title shot anytime soon...he doesn't care if he makes weight.

 

14 minutes ago, Nyte said:

Dana needs to force his **** to MW

If he doesn't give a **** to make WW, then put him at MW where he won't miss. Essentially what they did with Gastelum

For the bold - Chimaev is the #1 heel in the UFC as far as I'm concerned. He overtook Colby last night, especially after his octagon interview with Joe when he said he gave zero chits. So for baldy, that's money for him

Dana said he will be fighting at 180 most likely from now on.  Yes 180 however Dana is a busy man probably not operating on much sleep.  When basically asked if Khamzat was going to be a catchweight fighter he realized his mistake.  He said my bad I meant 185.

Imagine headlining him against Mart for the WW title and he weighs 180?  lol yeah Marty probably outworks him late but I think Khamzat would take the first 2 rounds against Marty.  That 3rd round would be a big deal.  He could get KO'ed and still leave with the belt his takes back from Leon.  Assuming this idiot can't make weight.

And Bwana you're my online homie but what he did to Kevin Holland is not impressive.  I like Kevin but he has hands.  For some dude robbing people in the streets he can beat them up anywhere.  **** the fake glove touch his wrestling is unbelievably bad and his BJJ is way overrated.  He is not a legitimate black belt.  Travis Lutter must hand them chits out.  I had to work my **** off for a blue under Mickey Swafford who was 3rd dan 20-22 years when I trained under him.  It took me 2 years to get that blue.  Swafford is something ridiculous like 6th dan now.  For comparison Maia is 4th.  Nick Diaz is 3rd and Nate is newly 3rd.

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4 minutes ago, PlatinumClegg said:

Imagine headlining him against Mart for the WW title and he weighs 180?  lol yeah Marty probably outworks him late but I think Khamzat would take the first 2 rounds against Marty.  That 3rd round would be a big deal.  He could get KO'ed and still leave with the belt his takes back from Leon.  Assuming this idiot can't make weight.

I didn't mean to imply he impressed me, just that he controlled the fighter starting with a nagger move.

Like they said on the post show last night, imagine putting him in against Leon for the belt in packed Wembley Stadium after spending 100's of millions of dollars to promote/etc.....and he doesn't make weight lol

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4 minutes ago, Bwana said:

I didn't mean to imply he impressed me, just that he controlled the fighter starting with a nagger move.

Like they said on the post show last night, imagine putting him in against Leon for the belt in packed Wembley Stadium after spending 100's of millions of dollars to promote/etc.....and he doesn't make weight lol

I didn't get to watch the post fight show.  My provider to watch 3 fights all which were changed cut out.  Fights were over and they were like Peace, **** you, I'm out!

I think Marty is going to really put his wrestling shoes on for the Leon trilogy.  He won't stay in that range he got caught in.

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I watched it and that wasn't a fake glove touch.  Holland expected a glove touch but that doesn't mean it's happening.  Khamzat threw a feint and just immediately shot behind it.

I can't even find Kevin Holland acknowledging some dirty fake glove touch.  He got stopped in just over 2 minutes.  He took home a bag and didn't have to take any punishment in the process.  Against D-Rod he has to throw down probably for the entire fight.

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2 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

I watched it and that wasn't a fake glove touch.  Holland expected a glove touch but that doesn't mean it's happening.  Khamzat threw a feint and just immediately shot behind it.

I can't even find Kevin Holland acknowledging some dirty fake glove touch.  He got stopped in just over 2 minutes.  He took home a bag and didn't have to take any punishment in the process.  Against D-Rod he has to throw down probably for the entire fight.

Same, I just watched a replay a few times, his hands go up but doesn't seem like he ever acted like he was going to touch gloves. 

Personally I like a good show of sportsmanship but most fighters should do away with it at the beginning so things like this don't happen. Holland wasn't ready because he expected a glove touch. I think he loses either way but it obviously led to a quicker end.

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12 hours ago, juice64011 said:

Same, I just watched a replay a few times, his hands go up but doesn't seem like he ever acted like he was going to touch gloves. 

Personally I like a good show of sportsmanship but most fighters should do away with it at the beginning so things like this don't happen. Holland wasn't ready because he expected a glove touch. I think he loses either way but it obviously led to a quicker end.

Its Hollands fault for expecting a show of sportsmanship from an obese bird flipping terrorist. 

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45 minutes ago, Dark_Horse said:

Brett Cuckamoto reckons Ratlip's manager told him to stop cutting weight and Ratlip agreed.

So all this bullsht that the doctors forced him is just to save his delicate little ego.

Typical terrorist filth. 

What's strange though is Dana.  He was losing it over the fact that conspiracies were out there that they did Holland and D-Rod at 180.  It was somewhat short notice for guys with some name recognition.  I still think they got at least 6 weeks to train.  Kevin said the reason it wasn't 170 was because D-Rod wanted 180.

Khamzat weighs in at basically 180.  Perhaps the UFC brass had decided they want to give Nate a far more favorable fight to leave on.  It's a highlight against a completely washed Tony.  Eventually down the line they can cash in that McGregor trilogy.  One fight deal.  Breaks all the records.  They run with bags and neither fights again.  They are both past their primes already.

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6 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

What's strange though is Dana.  He was losing it over the fact that conspiracies were out there that they did Holland and D-Rod at 180.  It was somewhat short notice for guys with some name recognition.  I still think they got at least 6 weeks to train.  Kevin said the reason it wasn't 170 was because D-Rod wanted 180.

Khamzat weighs in at basically 180.  Perhaps the UFC brass had decided they want to give Nate a far more favorable fight to leave on.  It's a highlight against a completely washed Tony.  Eventually down the line they can cash in that McGregor trilogy.  One fight deal.  Breaks all the records.  They run with bags and neither fights again.  They are both past their primes already.

I will agree with the idea of them deciding to make Nate leaving with a W and maybe that's part of a plan for down the road.

Good point

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7 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

What's strange though is Dana.  He was losing it over the fact that conspiracies were out there that they did Holland and D-Rod at 180.  It was somewhat short notice for guys with some name recognition.  I still think they got at least 6 weeks to train.  Kevin said the reason it wasn't 170 was because D-Rod wanted 180.

Khamzat weighs in at basically 180.  Perhaps the UFC brass had decided they want to give Nate a far more favorable fight to leave on.  It's a highlight against a completely washed Tony.  Eventually down the line they can cash in that McGregor trilogy.  One fight deal.  Breaks all the records.  They run with bags and neither fights again.  They are both past their primes already.

Maybe....but Conor v Nate III is huge whenever they make it, however Nate leaves the UFC.

The issue i have with the whole switcharoonie thing is why not just make those 3 fights in the first place? Wouldn't that be easier than pretending to make 3 different fights and then engineering/orchestrating it at the last minute and getting everyone to play along.

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8 minutes ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

Maybe....but Conor v Nate III is huge whenever they make it, however Nate leaves the UFC.

The issue i have with the whole switcharoonie thing is why not just make those 3 fights in the first place? Wouldn't that be easier than pretending to make 3 different fights and then engineering/orchestrating it at the last minute and getting everyone to play along.

Good point but let's not forget that once Leon vs Usman trilogy is basically official then Chimaev vs Nate at 170 became totally meaningless assuming they were expecting Usman to beat Leon then Chimaev would "smesh" Nate (big name) and finally Usman vs Chimaev would be promoted.

Yeah, they could give Chimaev another fight like Masdival or Colby but there is a risk to it imo

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2 hours ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

Maybe....but Conor v Nate III is huge whenever they make it, however Nate leaves the UFC.

The issue i have with the whole switcharoonie thing is why not just make those 3 fights in the first place? Wouldn't that be easier than pretending to make 3 different fights and then engineering/orchestrating it at the last minute and getting everyone to play along.

I already explained to these people that the UFC risks handing out refunds once the main event is changed. That is something they do only if they absolutely have to do it.

I was at the event with Shevchenko vs. Nunes when it was called off last minute on the day of the event. People were standing around outside of T-Mobile arena, telling other people who showed up with their tickets to cancel their ticket, get the refund, and then just hang out outside the arena, until the mid-prelims or so, when they hand out free tickets to fill up the arena. That happens. It is a thing, especially with poorly sold events. 

The UFC isn't going to risk ^that^ happening too frequently. It is a last resort type of deal.

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3 hours ago, skillandpower said:

Good point but let's not forget that once Leon vs Usman trilogy is basically official then Chimaev vs Nate at 170 became totally meaningless assuming they were expecting Usman to beat Leon then Chimaev would "smesh" Nate (big name) and finally Usman vs Chimaev would be promoted.

Yeah, they could give Chimaev another fight like Masdival or Colby but there is a risk to it imo

Chimaev v Nate was irrelevant anyway. Rankings wise, beating Burns (number 3 ranked WW) was enough to justify a title shot. 

I know we love a good conspiracy theory mate, but there seems to be enormous risk and very little reward for setting up the 'wrong' fights and then mixing them round at the 11th hour. 

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1 minute ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

Chimaev v Nate was irrelevant anyway. Rankings wise, beating Burns (number 3 ranked WW) was enough to justify a title shot. 

I know we love a good conspiracy theory mate, but there seems to be enormous risk and very little reward for setting up the 'wrong' fights and then mixing them round at the 11th hour. 

Good point mate

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11 hours ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

Chimaev v Nate was irrelevant anyway. Rankings wise, beating Burns (number 3 ranked WW) was enough to justify a title shot. 

I know we love a good conspiracy theory mate, but there seems to be enormous risk and very little reward for setting up the 'wrong' fights and then mixing them round at the 11th hour. 

They mixed the entire card.  Well the 3 fights that people were going to watch.  Nate went from a 20 to 1 underdog to fighting a 40 year old that's completely washed.  Kevin and D-Rod both currently fight at 170.  They got booked at 180.  Khamzat weighed 180.

Then there's the whole press conference not happening.  Fights switch because an L for Holland is not an issue.  Leech gets robbed in the switcheroo but he definitely got more money.  Nate told them he wants more money than the champions.  They informed him that they pay him more than the champions.  So he wants more then that which doesn't even make sense.

Finally Dana breaks and says "NATE GIVE ME A GODDAMN NUMBER!"

It's really suspect that Holland and Khamzat just happen to weigh the same for a catchweight bout.  Yet they weren't scheduled to fight each other.

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17 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

They mixed the entire card.  Well the 3 fights that people were going to watch.  Nate went from a 20 to 1 underdog to fighting a 40 year old that's completely washed.  Kevin and D-Rod both currently fight at 170.  They got booked at 180.  Khamzat weighed 180.

Then there's the whole press conference not happening.  Fights switch because an L for Holland is not an issue.  Leech gets robbed in the switcheroo but he definitely got more money.  Nate told them he wants more money than the champions.  They informed him that they pay him more than the champions.  So he wants more then that which doesn't even make sense.

Finally Dana breaks and says "NATE GIVE ME A GODDAMN NUMBER!"

It's really suspect that Holland and Khamzat just happen to weigh the same for a catchweight bout.  Yet they weren't scheduled to fight each other.

and let's not forget that they were not going to fight each other but mysteriously had a beef backstage .... 

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1 hour ago, cashfl0w said:

No he doesn't. If that was Colby in the cage with Chimaev for the Burns fight, and it was five rounds, Chimaev is sucking wind by the fifth round when Colby is pouring it on.

Colby wouldn't have survived that long as he doesn't have 10% of the striking power of Burns 

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22 hours ago, PlatinumClegg said:

They mixed the entire card.  Well the 3 fights that people were going to watch.  Nate went from a 20 to 1 underdog to fighting a 40 year old that's completely washed.  Kevin and D-Rod both currently fight at 170.  They got booked at 180.  Khamzat weighed 180.

Then there's the whole press conference not happening.  Fights switch because an L for Holland is not an issue.  Leech gets robbed in the switcheroo but he definitely got more money.  Nate told them he wants more money than the champions.  They informed him that they pay him more than the champions.  So he wants more then that which doesn't even make sense.

Finally Dana breaks and says "NATE GIVE ME A GODDAMN NUMBER!"

It's really suspect that Holland and Khamzat just happen to weigh the same for a catchweight bout.  Yet they weren't scheduled to fight each other.

I still haven't heard a convincing motive for switching the fights though, instead of just making them in the first place.  I'm sure they had to pay the fighters way more doing it this way.

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43 minutes ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

I still haven't heard a convincing motive for switching the fights though, instead of just making them in the first place.  I'm sure they had to pay the fighters way more doing it this way.

The only bridge you're going to get me to cross is that Nate realized his pending Jake Paul fight is likely going to happen after he gets scraped by Andy, thus reducing the value on it dramatically, and the UFC came to a quiet agreement with him. Then him getting murdered by Chimaev is bad business for everybody. 

His post-fight speech does not seem to indicate this to be the case though. If he resigns, we'll revisit this.

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On 9/14/2022 at 6:20 PM, cashfl0w said:

The only bridge you're going to get me to cross is that Nate realized his pending Jake Paul fight is likely going to happen after he gets scraped by Andy, thus reducing the value on it dramatically, and the UFC came to a quiet agreement with him. Then him getting murdered by Chimaev is bad business for everybody. 

His post-fight speech does not seem to indicate this to be the case though. If he resigns, we'll revisit this.

He's fighting Mike Perry in BKFC.  Mike called him out and was a 16 fight vet in the Octagon.  Not some rookie like Khamzat who got retired from the welterweight division.  Nate didn't even have to give him the hands or snatch that neck up.  He's a free agent and Khamzat still went running.

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19 minutes ago, PlatinumClegg said:

He's fighting Mike Perry in BKFC.  Mike called him out and was a 16 fight vet in the Octagon.  Not some rookie like Khamzat who got retired from the welterweight division.  Nate didn't even have to give him the hands or snatch that neck up.  He's a free agent and Khamzat still went running.

I could make the argument that Mike's debut victory over GOAT Knees was more impressive than anything Chimaev has done yet. Fairly easily too.

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18 hours ago, Bwana said:

I watched Hazmat vs Burns again last night, that was a hell of a fight and lost respect for ratlip.

Same here.

After watching that fight I'm starting to have doubts about Chimaev not because he is a bad a fighter at all (he is a beast) but seemed pretty average when he faced top competition 

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Just now, skillandpower said:

However I must say his wrestling in the first two round of any fight can make the champ except if he faces Usman or Colby

Sorry but at 185 he takes Pereira and Adesanya down fairly easily and finishes both of them in the same night and I'm a fan of my homeboy Pereira

He couldn't take Burns down....a LW. I'm not at all convinced he takes Izzy down. Whittaker would handle him comfortably.  

The bubble has well and truly burst for me. He's a good fighter, but not some once in a generation God.  

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1 hour ago, Bubba_Sparks said:

He couldn't take Burns down....a LW. I'm not at all convinced he takes Izzy down. Whittaker would handle him comfortably.  

The bubble has well and truly burst for me. He's a good fighter, but not some once in a generation God.  

Good statement. Not an Andy or Khabib material 

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On 9/26/2022 at 9:21 PM, cashfl0w said:

I could make the argument that Mike's debut victory over GOAT Knees was more impressive than anything Chimaev has done yet. Fairly easily too.

Could you imagine how bloody Nate vs Mike in BKFC would be.  They both have a lot of scar tissue.  It wouldn't be for a weak stomach.  I won't sit here and lie.  I've seen a few BKFC matches where I had to look away.  That much blood all over their bodies and it's a mixture or both fighters kinda grosses me out.

The real reality is Nate Diaz vs Mike Perry for the 175 (MW) BKFC title would be huge.  Mike already copied Nate before the MVP fight.  Only he had to spring a couple hundo on that cheap Platinum belt but they can put that on the line.

The fight would be good and it would favor Nate given he's a volume puncher that's much longer.  Less likely to break his hands and he doesn't have to train that.  That's the style his brother gave him.

Pre fight press conferences and interviews alone would shatter whatever fights the UFC are offering right now.  

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