classicboxer Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Post your opinions. Baseball: Babe Ruth American Football: Laurence Taylor Basketball: Wilt Chamberlain Hockey: Gordie Howe Boxing: Sugar Ray Robinson MMA: Khabib Soccer: Pele 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conceive-Believe-Achieve Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 As I do t follow the other sports Boxing: Mayweather MMA: Jones / Mighty Mouse Soccer: Portuguese Ronaldo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megasoup Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Baseball: one of the Cardinals; Mark McGuire or Ozzie Smith, I don't know. I've made drinks for both of them, tended bar in the first pitch room and they were within a whisper's distance from me, conversing with WIllie McGee and a few others (I don't follow baseball.). All the dudes living hall of famers were there on the first game of the season, and it was a very small room. I was the only bartender In fact, the only employee. Football: I guess it'd have to be Tom Brady. How can it not be Tom Brady? Basketball: Michael Jordan? Hockey: Wayne Gretzky maybe. I did a shot with Brett Hull once, apparently he was pretty good. I tended bar in the private room for the VIPs on the year they won the Stanley cup, the official whatever event for that thing, and the entire team was there, along with the "who's who" of hockey. I took home the remainder of what was left of the bottle of special tequila Brett Hull was drinking, along with several other bottles I brought to my car (there's a lot of subtleties in this story, it wasn't really "stealing," you gotta' believe me. Also, I know how all of this sounds, but these things are really true! I've never mentioned the single pitch room hall of famers AND the whatever event for the in a single breath or in a single conversation, but I guess I really have had one hell of a career as a bartender!) Boxing: Tyson Fury, who whose to say? MMA: I'm not doing the pound-for-pound thing. I believe no one's peak could have ever beaten this man's peak: Stipe Miocic. Soccer: I guess Pele. I don't know anything about soccer, but the world has been honoring this man for my entire life, which is starting to be a lengthy one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezerker101 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, classicboxer said: Post your opinions. Baseball: : Don Mattingly American Football : Lawrence Taylor Basketball : Walt Frazier/ Earl "The Pearl" Monroe or Diick Barnett Hockey: : Clark Gillies Boxing : : Rocky Marciano UFC : Absolutely None/ They are all POS Soccer : Pele . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauroPedrosa Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Ones that I follow more closely Futbol: Lionel Messi, with Pele the only other I accept as an argument. Basketball: Michael Jordan due to peer pressure, but I’m not sure why Bill Russell isn’t considered more often. MMA: Georges St-Pierre. Many other you could make a case for, though. Tennis: Novak Djokovic. Very close with Nadal and Federer, though. Snooker: Ronnie O’Sullivan. Widely accepted as the GOAT, even if Stephen Hendry had the same number of world championships. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauroPedrosa Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Oh and Tom Brady, who I think is undisputed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUF Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 2 tiers Non-debatable Football: Brady Basketball: Jordan Hockey: Gretzky Debatable: Soccer: Messi MMA: GSP (Beat everybody that ever beat him and 2 division champs) Jones has unofficial losses imo Boxing: Lennox Lewis (the GSP of boxing) beat the 2 opponents that beat him. Beat the best of his generation and capped it by beating the best of the next generation Baseball: Babe Ruth 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 12 hours ago, classicboxer said: Post your opinions. Baseball: Babe Ruth American Football: Laurence Taylor Basketball: Wilt Chamberlain Hockey: Gordie Howe Boxing: Sugar Ray Robinson MMA: Khabib Soccer: Pele nailed it except Hockey: Bobby Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) Baseball - Barry Bonds. Babe Ruth is the most iconic, Bonds has stats that are unbeatable. Basketball - Michael Jordan. MMA - Georges St. Pierre. Two division champ. Avenged only two losses. Great ambassador for the sport. Football - Tom Brady ; (Peyton, Joe Montana up there). Soccer - Lionel Messi *WWE - Stone Cold Steve Austin. Iconic entrance and gimmick. Influenced generations of wrestlers for years to come. One of the most important wrestlers ever to work in the business. Edited December 31, 2022 by Nyte Including WWE. Shortened paragraphs cause even I find myself TL:DR on my posts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Baseball: Barry Bonds American Football: Tom Brady, most athletic are Bo or LT Basketball: Jordan/Bill Russell Hockey: Gretzky Boxing: Sugar Ray Robinson MMA: Khabib Golf: Tiger Tennis: Djokovic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 I'd be interested to hear why those chose Babe Ruth over Barry Bonds (or any other player). Babe Ruth is without a doubt, the most iconic. But GOAT? I don't think so. Don't tell me because "steroids". It's such a boring response. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted December 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Nyte said: I'd be interested to hear why those chose Babe Ruth over Barry Bonds (or any other player). Babe Ruth is without a doubt, the most iconic. But GOAT? I don't think so. Don't tell me because "steroids". It's such a boring response. What say you? For me, it's kind of like the Wilt Chamberlain debate. Ruth was hitting more homers than whole teams. When Ruth hit 60 homers, the rest of the league averaged 50 homers per team! He also won 20 games twice as a pitcher, and 18 games once., in 6 complete seasons as a pitcher. As a huge Ohtani fan, you should appreciate that! As for steroids, Bonds was a 30 homer per season player without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genki Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, classicboxer said: For me, it's kind of like the Wilt Chamberlain debate. Ruth was hitting more homers than whole teams. When Ruth hit 60 homers, the rest of the league averaged 50 homers per team! He also won 20 games twice as a pitcher, and 18 games once., in 6 complete seasons as a pitcher. As a huge Ohtani fan, you should appreciate that! As for steroids, Bonds was a 30 homer per season player without them. His career on the mound actually hurt his hitting record quite substantially also. It is said that he moved to the outfield so he could play every game. That was 3 0r 4 seasons where he played only a 3rd or less of the schedule... Bradman for Cricket 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, classicboxer said: For me, it's kind of like the Wilt Chamberlain debate. Ruth was hitting more homers than whole teams. When Ruth hit 60 homers, the rest of the league averaged 50 homers per team! He also won 20 games twice as a pitcher, and 18 games once., in 6 complete seasons as a pitcher. As a huge Ohtani fan, you should appreciate that! As for steroids, Bonds was a 30 homer per season player without them. I do like that he pitched. Not to get derailed - but there's a huge misconception of what Babe accomplished and what Shohei is accomplishing. Babe Ruth was primarily a pitcher from 1915 - 1918. During those years, he qualified as a pitcher (162 IP minimum), but did not qualify as a hitter (502 PA minimum; 3.1 per team games played). As Genki said, those years pitching actually hurt him. I'd agree with that. Shohei became first player in MLB history this year to qualify as both hitter + pitcher in the same season. Shohei is basically Babe Ruth 2.0, doing both at the same time, at an elite level, and against way more stiff competition. Anyways - that's fine, I get your argument. He was the clear best player of his generation. I know you don't like to compare eras, and to be fair, the era he played in had stadiums with stupid dimensions i.e Polo Grounds. But it's fair to say today's game, and especially when Bonds played, is/was played at a much higher level. Plus, 90% of the MLB was juicing, so it was fair playing ground for Bonds. And he was still clearly better than everyone else and the most feared hitter in baseball history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted December 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Nyte said: I do like that he pitched. Not to get derailed - but there's a huge misconception of what Babe accomplished and what Shohei is accomplishing. Babe Ruth was primarily a pitcher from 1915 - 1918. During those years, he qualified as a pitcher (162 IP minimum), but did not qualify as a hitter (502 PA minimum; 3.1 per team games played). As Genki said, those years pitching actually hurt him. I'd agree with that. Shohei became first player in MLB history this year to qualify as both hitter + pitcher in the same season. Shohei is basically Babe Ruth 2.0, doing both at the same time, at an elite level, and against way more stiff competition. Anyways - that's fine, I get your argument. He was the clear best player of his generation. I know you don't like to compare eras, and to be fair, the era he played in had stadiums with stupid dimensions i.e Polo Grounds. But it's fair to say today's game, and especially when Bonds played, is/was played at a much higher level. Plus, 90% of the MLB was juicing, so it was fair playing ground for Bonds. And he was still clearly better than everyone else and the most feared hitter in baseball history. We've had this discussion before, Ohtani is only doing what he does because of new rules, and rules specifically designed to benefit one player in all of major league baseball. He's nowhere near the level of Babe Ruth. Stadiums in the past were designed to reward hitters who could pull the ball, but how many homers did they lose on 450 foot shots to center field? Even with today's Fenway park, no Red Sox player has hit 60 homers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, classicboxer said: We've had this discussion before, Ohtani is only doing what he does because of new rules, and rules specifically designed to benefit one player in all of major league baseball. He's nowhere near the level of Babe Ruth. Stadiums in the past were designed to reward hitters who could pull the ball, but how many homers did they lose on 450 foot shots to center field? Even with today's Fenway park, no Red Sox player has hit 60 homers. The "rule" he refers to is allowing a pitcher to also be the DH in the same game. (Which you're correct, is tailored to him) cause no other player in the MLB can pitch and effectively hit. It's because he was so dominant in 2021, brought way more international eyes to the game, won every sports award in the book, ESPN athlete of the year, that they made the rule effective in 2022 - cause he's ****ing awesome. It's actually funny to think about. Imagine your pitcher is throwing 98-100mph gas all game, pitches 5-6, maybe even 7-8 innings AND is also slotted in the top 4 in the lineup where he'll be in key pressure spots to hit in runs. Like cmon now, CB...Babe Ruth couldn't hit in the same game cause he needed to eat 10 hot dogs in between innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 That being said, Barry Bonds over Babe Ruth any day Babe Ruth also didn't play against black people cause 'Merica. Once leagues were integrated, became abundantly clear the black players were far better. I could name them , but this thread would get derailed with my baseball **** Sorry folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Lol LT Brady would carve that idiot up 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Nyte said: That being said, Barry Bonds over Babe Ruth any day Babe Ruth also didn't play against black people cause 'Merica. Once leagues were integrated, became abundantly clear the black players were far better. I could name them , but this thread would get derailed with my baseball **** Sorry folks. Picks a roid head over the Sultan of swing. Werent you just saying Trout is the goat too. He must a be very light skinned black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, OmoGOAT said: Picks a roid head over the Sultan of swing. Werent you just saying Trout is the goat too. He must a be very light skinned black. Jack **** , he said Babe Ruth was the best player of his generation. In Babe's generation, they didn't let black people play, meaning he wasn't even playing against the best players. That can be said for any player up until the leagues were integrated, hence why I mentioned that. Secondly - your comment makes no sense considering today's game is more diverse than ever with mainly Dominican Republic players at the top of the totem pole in terms of talent and dominance . Trout's playing against the best I omitted that part from my original post, but I said by the end of his career, Trout will be considered a top 5 GOAT in the game, not THE goat. Move along, son. Edited December 31, 2022 by Nyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 17 hours ago, Nyte said: I'd be interested to hear why those chose Babe Ruth over Barry Bonds (or any other player). Babe Ruth is without a doubt, the most iconic. But GOAT? I don't think so. Don't tell me because "steroids". It's such a boring response. What say you? how many times did Bonds win 20 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 35 minutes ago, UFCCagerattler said: how many times did Bonds win 20 games? How many people did Aaron Judge strikeout? How many wins on the mound? So you agree Shohei was robbed of MVP 🤝 Common cagerattler W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nyte said: How many people did Aaron Judge strikeout? How many wins on the mound? So you agree Shohei was robbed of MVP 🤝 Common cagerattler W Babe Ruth pitched a life time 21-10.....97-48 or so he had a 20 plus win season with an era under1.8 If you look at Ruths hitting stats he has a large number of 40 and 50 and 60 home run seasons Bonds has 0 50 or 60 homes run seasons, just a bunch of 40 home run seasons foillowed by a single 70 home run season This is why he is widely considered to have cheated Lastly (as if) Babe Ruth won 7 World Series Bonds won 0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Nyte said: Jack **** , he said Babe Ruth was the best player of his generation. In Babe's generation, they didn't let black people play, meaning he wasn't even playing against the best players. That can be said for any player up until the leagues were integrated, hence why I mentioned that. Secondly - your comment makes no sense considering today's game is more diverse than ever with mainly Dominican Republic players at the top of the totem pole in terms of talent and dominance . Trout's playing against the best I omitted that part from my original post, but I said by the end of his career, Trout will be considered a top 5 GOAT in the game, not THE goat. Move along, son. I accept your backpedal. Happy New Year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Sparks Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Shoeless Joe Jackson was better than all these cans. I will submit further GOATs along with backup evidence in 2023. Happy new year mates. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 15 hours ago, OmoGOAT said: Lol LT Brady would carve that idiot up LT would sack Brady 3 times, and they would call "roughing the passer" on all 3! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, OmoGOAT said: I accept your backpedal. Happy New Year Happy New Year , OmoCAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Barry Bonds sucked so bad prior to Roids , that when he played here at home his own fans threw 9v batteries at him in the outfield....they took them out of their radios. He played here from 86-92, which should have been his prime years. He sucked ballz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, Bwana said: Barry Bonds sucked so bad prior to Roids , that when he played here at home his own fans threw 9v batteries at him in the outfield....they took them out of their radios. He played here from 86-92, which should have been his prime years. He sucked ballz. Back when I watched Babe Ruth in 1922, he would bang hookers , eat 20 hot dogs, sell 12 slaves , and then hit 2 dingers a game against some random hot dog conession man throwing 37mph from the block over He sucked ballz 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Nyte said: Back when I watched Babe Ruth in 1922, he would bang hookers , eat 20 hot dogs, sell 12 slaves , and then hit 2 dingers a game against some random hot dog conession man throwing 37mph from the block over He sucked ballz I never said anything about Ruth ?, but what I stated about Bonds is a fact. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, Bwana said: I never said anything about Ruth ?, but what I stated about Bonds is a fact. Same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 8 hours ago, Nyte said: Back when I watched Babe Ruth in 1922, he would bang hookers , eat 20 hot dogs, sell 12 slaves , and then hit 2 dingers a game against some random hot dog conession man throwing 37mph from the block over He sucked ballz The Babe's head would explode if he had to encounter an sjw like you m8. Back in his time wimmens, slaves, and hot dog men knew their place 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 13 hours ago, Bwana said: Barry Bonds sucked so bad prior to Roids , that when he played here at home his own fans threw 9v batteries at him in the outfield....they took them out of their radios. He played here from 86-92, which should have been his prime years. He sucked ballz. Barry Bonds averaged 30 homers,100 RBI's, 100 runs, over 30 stolen bases, during his last 3 years in Pittsburgh.. He was also MVP of the National league twice in Pittsburgh. That was his pre steroids prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, classicboxer said: Barry Bonds averaged 30 homers,100 RBI's, 100 runs, over 30 stolen bases, during his last 3 years in Pittsburgh.. He was also MVP of the National league twice in Pittsburgh. That was his pre steroids prime. He sucked, the most hated player in Pirate history....officially named by the largest newspaper here as the MDP award (most despised player). Was rude to the fans, press, and overall jerk. When you have to wear a batting helmet out to left field in your home town, because you're getting beaned with 9v batteries....I'd say you're an azzhole. Went from 30 HR's pre-roids to 70 HR's post-roids....nothing to see there lol. His stolen bases came from walks, and he left because we sent his boyfriend Bobby Bonilla to free agency. No way ever Bonds is the GOAT....impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Bwana said: He sucked, the most hated player in Pirate history....officially named by the largest newspaper here as the MDP award (most despised player). Was rude to the fans, press, and overall jerk. When you have to wear a batting helmet out to left field in your home town, because you're getting beaned with 9v batteries....I'd say you're an azzhole. Went from 30 HR's pre-roids to 70 HR's post-roids....nothing to see there lol. His stolen bases came from walks, and he left because we sent his boyfriend Bobby Bonilla to free agency. No way ever Bonds is the GOAT....impossible. I'm the first one to say Babe Ruth is the GOAT. In spite of how much fans hate Bonds, he was still an all time great player, just not the best ever. Calling someone an azzhole, and defending the piece of sh it cowards who threw batteries at him is stupid! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, OmoGOAT said: The Babe's head would explode if he had to encounter an sjw like you m8. Back in his time wimmens, slaves, and hot dog men knew their place Lol sjw , this guy Anyways - Bonds>Ruth isn't the hill I want to die on. I am fine with 1. Bonds and 2. Ruth Until Trout retires in 10 years and then we can pick up this convo again Edited January 1 by Nyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 For all the ****ing you guys are doing @OmoGOAT @Bwana, at least post who your goats are Don't be scared homie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmoGOAT Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 51 minutes ago, Nyte said: For all the ****ing you guys are doing @OmoGOAT @Bwana, at least post who your goats are Don't be scared homie Brady is the GOD emperor GOAT of GOATs. All others are just vying for second place in the GOAT pantheon. Mj was pretty good Baseball lol Hockey lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, classicboxer said: I'm the first one to say Babe Ruth is the GOAT. In spite of how much fans hate Bonds, he was still an all time great player, just not the best ever. Calling someone an azzhole, and defending the piece of sh it cowards who threw batteries at him is stupid! Are you high ?, I never defended the people throwing batteries at him...I just stated they did it every time he stepped in the outfield, but he was an rude arrogant entitled narcissistic prickk. He was the Josh Koscheck or Colby Covington of baseball, no matter what city he played in....and he's not in the HOF. Ruth ?......... 🤣🤣🤣 he played against part time coal miners and mill workers, they didn't even train back then. He was a fat drunk that could hit a 75 mph fast ball, and a weak curve. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 25 minutes ago, Bwana said: Are you high ?, I never defended the people throwing batteries at him...I just stated they did it every time he stepped in the outfield, but he was an rude arrogant entitled narcissistic prickk. He was the Josh Koscheck or Colby Covington of baseball, no matter what city he played in....and he's not in the HOF. Ruth ?......... 🤣🤣🤣 he played against part time coal miners and mill workers, they didn't even train back then. He was a fat drunk that could hit a 75 mph fast ball, and a weak curve. This is art right here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 RE Taylor vs Brady Taylor played a game everyone now tries to play Brady is a pocket passer which is already obsolete. He was about the best at it, but it is not a style that is valid any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 40 minutes ago, Nyte said: This is art right here I think it's subjective to pick the GOAT in any sport, based on the dynamics of technology, training and diet programs, and rule or equipment changes. Comparing athletes from complete different era's is circle-jerk conversation. Whether it's Ali vs Tyson, Woods vs Nicklaus, Aaron vs Ruth, Gretzky/Lemieux vs Howe, etc....Modern athletes have far better completion than earlier, ball park sizes along with golf course lengths have changed....even the golf ball had new rule changes along with putters. Pine tar was allowed on bats, Mantle was eating speed like a freak, and somebody is letting the air out of the football on a rainy day, etc... Just look at MMA for example, groin strikes used to be legal, no weight classes, no drug testing....how do you pick the GOAT in the UFC without comparing Gracie vs Jones and the difference in true competition and rules ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 40 minutes ago, UFCCagerattler said: RE Taylor vs Brady Taylor played a game everyone now tries to play Brady is a pocket passer which is already obsolete. He was about the best at it, but it is not a style that is valid any longer. Brady, but Rice is a very close second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Bwana said: Are you high ?, I never defended the people throwing batteries at him...I just stated they did it every time he stepped in the outfield, but he was an rude arrogant entitled narcissistic prickk. He was the Josh Koscheck or Colby Covington of baseball, no matter what city he played in....and he's not in the HOF. Ruth ?......... 🤣🤣🤣 he played against part time coal miners and mill workers, they didn't even train back then. He was a fat drunk that could hit a 75 mph fast ball, and a weak curve. When you say something like " Bonds sucked so bad they threw batteries at him", you are justifying it. The coal miners and mill workers comment is actually stolen from the basketball goat discussions where they say Wilt and Bill Russell played against plumbers and carpenters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 the best quarterback I ever saw was Marino, and its not even close. anyone who thinks Brady has better skills is crazy. the best player was Taylor. Again not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Bwana said: I think it's subjective to pick the GOAT in any sport, based on the dynamics of technology, training and diet programs, and rule or equipment changes. Comparing athletes from complete different era's is circle-jerk conversation. Whether it's Ali vs Tyson, Woods vs Nicklaus, Aaron vs Ruth, Gretzky/Lemieux vs Howe, etc....Modern athletes have far better completion than earlier, ball park sizes along with golf course lengths have changed....even the golf ball had new rule changes along with putters. Pine tar was allowed on bats, Mantle was eating speed like a freak, and somebody is letting the air out of the football on a rainy day, etc... Just look at MMA for example, groin strikes used to be legal, no weight classes, no drug testing....how do you pick the GOAT in the UFC without comparing Gracie vs Jones and the difference in true competition and rules ? Tyson - quitter, the ear bite was equal to "no mas" Woods - was probably better, but ruined his own career Aaron - Was a great player, but never pitched, and played more years without pitching to achieve his numbers Babe Ruth homers when he played at least 100 games: 35, 41, 46, 47, 60, 54, 46, 49, 46, 41, 34, 22, 521 homers in 12 years Gretzky - it was illegal to hit him Ballparks - Fenway was from that era, and by your reasoning today's Red Sox players should be hitting 60 homers every season As for MMA, Gracie was exposed when he fought without a Gi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 In the AFL (which I know you all care deeply about) Gary Ablett Sr. and his son Gary Ablett Jr. are both in contention for GOAT status 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, UFCCagerattler said: the best quarterback I ever saw was Marino, and its not even close. anyone who thinks Brady has better skills is crazy. the best player was Taylor. Again not even close. Before or after his coke binge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, classicboxer said: When you say something like " Bonds sucked so bad they threw batteries at him", you are justifying it. The coal miners and mill workers comment is actually stolen from the basketball goat discussions where they say Wilt and Bill Russell played against plumbers and carpenters. You're hopeless, Happy New Year in case you forgot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 4 hours ago, OmoGOAT said: Brady is the GOD emperor GOAT of GOATs. All others are just vying for second place in the GOAT pantheon. Mj was pretty good Baseball lol Hockey lol This is art too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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