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hey everyone, i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?

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hey everyone' date=' i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?[/quote']

 

I personally can't stand him, but he does have skills.

The reason he got the title shot was cause he had just beat the person closest to contention and the Interim heavyweight champion and the number 1 contender were tied up in The Ultimate Fighter.

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hey everyone' date=' i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?[/quote']

 

Ape? :)

 

I think Lesnar has a real shot at dominating the UFC HW division for a long time, like him or not. The only question I have about him at this time is "How good is his chin?" Once it gets tested, and it will be tested, then we'll see if Lesnar is the real deal or not. I don't hold Brock's WWE background against him, and neither should you. The guy is a superb athlete and a gifted wrestler, who's amateur wrestling credentials speak for themselves. Let me ask you this: If you got an offer to make millions of dollars in the WWE, would you jump at the chance? Lesnar got that offer, and like any intelligent human being, took it and made a fortune.

 

I suspect that if Lesnar had gone straight from college wrestling into MMA and was enjoying the same success, he'd be your hero now, instead of someone you "hate."

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hey everyone' date=' i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?[/quote']

 

 

He's the one you'll love to hate,he brings size and agility to the game, awsome wrestling and strength. The only thing he is missing is a "clear victory" which is unfourtunate given the fact he has the tittle. The victory over Randy shoulda told you something. Remeber a fight can change at any time.I had Randy winning that fight but in my mind i knew Randy was out gunned. I personally think he would have beat Frank Mir if he had more time to train for such an amazing ground specialist.I am not happy that a man can just walk into the UFC and Dominate ethier however the writing is on the wall..Lesner is here to stay and will hold that tittle for a long time.

 

As far as fighting his way up to where he is now...who would you put him against?....... he would kill everyone else why waste time

 

lol thx

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Ape? :)

 

I think Lesnar has a real shot at dominating the UFC HW division for a long time, like him or not. The only question I have about him at this time is "How good is his chin?" Once it gets tested, and it will be tested, then we'll see if Lesnar is the real deal or not.

 

 

You are right. He has never been tested in the UFC. AND has the belt. It is not right. He should have started at the bottom like everyone else. Hell, Carwin walked through everyone he met so far. Who knows, mabey he could have been champ. Brock should not have had that title shot. I dont care who he is. He was not a MMA fighter who crossed over to the UFC like Cro Cop, Rampage, Henderson, etc. He was a WWF wrestler for gods sake! Mabey he is the best. It just is not right.

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hey everyone' date=' i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?[/quote']

 

another post that's a few months late. we're past the blind hate at this point. now we either don't care or hate him for specific reasons. with the acception of a rare fanboy.

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Why hate?

 

I am not a devout Brock Lesnar fan. Heck, I was keeping my fingers crossed during his last bout hoping that Randy would put the whooping on him.

 

Now, he did beat Randy Couture, and I believe that credit should be given where credit is deserved. Randy was the champion for a reason, just like Brock is currently champion for a reason.

 

If you believe that Frank Mir is the true HW champion or something, all of your concerns will be put at ease after the UFC 100. At that point, if Lesnar happens to beat Frank Mir, uniting the HW championship titles, and you still hate and discredit, then you are letting your pride or foolishness get in the way of your rationality.

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Why hate?

 

I am not a devout Brock Lesnar fan. Heck' date=' I was keeping my fingers crossed during his last bout hoping that Randy would put the whooping on him.

 

Now, he did beat Randy Couture, and I believe that credit should be given where credit is deserved. Randy was the champion for a reason, just like Brock is currently champion for a reason.

 

If you believe that Frank Mir is the true HW champion or something, all of your concerns will be put at ease after the UFC 100. At that point, if Lesnar happens to beat Frank Mir, uniting the HW championship titles, and you still hate and discredit, then you are letting your pride or foolishness get in the way of your rationality.[/quote']

 

Neither Brock nor Mir are the true heavyweight champions.

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It is not like Brock took the UFC matchmakers in a room and forced them to give him the fights they did. They gave him a shot and he took advantage of it. How can you hate on him for decisions outside of his control. I have met him on more than one occasion and he is a nice guy now that he quit drinking. His skills will continue to develop, it will be interesting to watch as he is tested. I think he is the perfect guy to be at the top and have other aspiring champs to try to take down. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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Ape? :)

 

I think Lesnar has a real shot at dominating the UFC HW division for a long time' date=' like him or not. The only question I have about him at this time is "How good is his chin?" Once it gets tested, and it will be tested, then we'll see if Lesnar is the real deal or not.

 

 

You are right. He has never been tested in the UFC. AND has the belt. It is not right. He should have started at the bottom like everyone else. Hell, Carwin walked through everyone he met so far. Who knows, mabey he could have been champ. Brock should not have had that title shot. I dont care who he is. He was not a MMA fighter who crossed over to the UFC like Cro Cop, Rampage, Henderson, etc. He was a WWF wrestler for gods sake! Mabey he is the best. It just is not right.[/quote']

 

Dude. You quote me, then you get my quote wrong in your reply? :) Read it again, carefully.

 

I said it was his chin that hasn't been tested. If you recall, he was kicking the living crap out of Mir (present interim HW champ) before he made a rookie mistake and got caught in the sub. He dominated an experienced and well-rounded veteran in Heath Herring for 3 rounds. He finished Randy Couture. I think he's been tested enough.

 

You seem to think he shouldn't have been given the chance to fight for the title in the first place, but you need to remember that the UFC is a business, Randy isn't getting any younger, and that fight made the most sense from a fan and dollar perspective at that point in time. Again, if given the opportunity to fight for the UFC title of your weight-class, no matter what the circumstances, you'd jump at the chance. Lesnar did, and beat one of the best fighters on the planet to take the crown. You can't take that away from him, he made the most of an opportunity presented to him. And the UFC made a TON of money off the fight, so they're happy too. Win-Win for everyone.

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It is not like Brock took the UFC matchmakers in a room and forced them to give him the fights they did. They gave him a shot and he took advantage of it. How can you hate on him for decisions outside of his control. I have met him on more than one occasion and he is a nice guy now that he quit drinking. His skills will continue to develop' date=' it will be interesting to watch as he is tested. I think he is the perfect guy to be at the top and have other aspiring champs to try to take down. Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/quote']

 

By the way, if you want to look at credentials, don't look at the WWE stuff, that was a job to make money. One that he left on his own. Look at his NCAA amateur wrestling career. You can take his stats and compare them to any other successful MMA star and he is equal if not better.

 

Basically people who talk trash about him being in the WWE are saying that if the guy had gone from college to sitting in a cubical crunching numbers and then started fighting it would be ok, but because he went from college to WWE to make money, he is a fraud. He didn't sell himself as the name to get the shots, the promoters did.

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I am a Brock fanboy. I believe Brock will dominate Mir in their upcoming fight. Brock is progressing in the fight game. He is gaining skill. But his size, strength, and speed are really hard to beat. He just needs more technique. To get proper training to beat him you would need to spar against a silver back gorilla on steroids(not saying Brock uses roids). The gorilla also needs rockem sockem boppers filled with cement on his hands.

 

Now Brock does way to much **** talking. But after his fights he shows respect. Give the guy some credit. Maybe not full credit but at least some

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It is not like Brock took the UFC matchmakers in a room and forced them to give him the fights they did. They gave him a shot and he took advantage of it. How can you hate on him for decisions outside of his control. I have met him on more than one occasion and he is a nice guy now that he quit drinking. His skills will continue to develop' date=' it will be interesting to watch as he is tested. I think he is the perfect guy to be at the top and have other aspiring champs to try to take down. Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/quote']

 

Well it's like this, when I see a guy who's playing the heel to get popularity in a MMA sport it makes me sick because it really hurts the credibility of the sport.

And it's not like they held a gun to his head and told him you have to take that Interim title, personally I think they were better off getting Shane who had more fights under his belt than Brock.

There are many fighters at the start of their careers that had a title shot chance that said no, because they wanted to get used to MMA and compared to this opportunist they're real champs because they were willing to make themselves legit.

Other than that, he has wrestling skills. I believe that with time he'll become a serious threat to all HWs in the UFC but so far he's just an "Ape" with wrestling.

And also please don't tell me you've met the guy and because he was nice to you you're going to be his ****, if you're his friend then ok, however I can't take you seriously this way.

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When I say I have met the guy, here is what I mean... I am a sports camera operator who has had the opportunity to work with and shoot many professional athletes. Among them, have been some very pretentious and arrogant A holes. Brock Lesnar was not one of them. He was engaging, friendly and cooperative. He told me personally he is nicer now that he stopped drinking. Outside of work, I don't know, and I would not say by anymeans that he is a friend of mine. I do know that compared to NBA players, Boxers, and some NFL guys that I have worked with, he had way more class. How does he play the heel in MMA? Talking trash? It is encouraged to promote fights, and he even does less than most. He talks himself up about having a hard head more than he demeens his opponents.

 

Oh, yes I am from Minneapolis and am a fan and am biased, however I also know when I am wrong. I would not say I am a ****, but I respect your opinion, I just have a different view.

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Neither Brock nor Mir are the true heavyweight champions.

 

 

UFC HW Champion- Brock Lesnar

UFC Interim HW Champion- Frank Mir

 

I think Mir will win the unfication fight but I think is Brock is for real and won the title legitmately from a UFC legend. Randy was past his prime, Randy was winning until Brock caught him, Brock didn't deserve the title shot, blah blah blah. The UFC gave him a shot and he won. He's the Champ.

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Overrated

 

I think the people who say he'll hold the title for a long time are ahead of themselves and overrating him. I just think he's huge, super athletic, strong as a bull, and a great wrestler. If he can take a punch and keep learning he might be good. I still think Mir will get him though.

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I think the people who say he'll hold the title for a long time are ahead of themselves and overrating him. I just think he's huge' date=' super athletic, strong as a bull, and a great wrestler. If he can take a punch and keep learning he might be good. I still think Mir will get him though.[/quote']

 

So do I

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UFC HW Champion- Brock Lesnar

UFC Interim HW Champion- Frank Mir

 

I think Mir will win the unfication fight but I think is Brock is for real and won the title legitmately from a UFC legend. Randy was past his prime' date=' Randy was winning until Brock caught him, Brock didn't deserve the title shot, blah blah blah. The UFC gave him a shot and he won. He's the Champ.[/quote']

 

WOW, do you read stuff and just type the first thing that comes to mind, neither of them are the true champ, until they fight. Brock Lesnar shouldn't be justified as the true champ just because he beat Couture, there will be no true champ until Lesnar and Mir fight so keep on with your little rants cause they in no way change my mind.

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Randy wasnt winning the fight at all. I was impressed at his take down defense... for a minute. Then bam he got tossed like a rag doll. Actually he had the edge in the stand up... for a minute. Then bam he got a canned ham to the face. Then a couple more when he hit the ground. Randy got dominated.

 

But the guy is somewhat right. Niether Mir or Lesnar are truly champion until they fight each other again.

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WOW' date=' do you read stuff and just type the first thing that comes to mind, neither of them are the true champ, until they fight. Brock Lesnar shouldn't be justified as the true champ just because he beat Couture, there will be no true champ until Lesnar and Mir fight so keep on with your little rants cause they in no way change my mind.[/quote']

 

At the top middle of this page, click fighters/ title holders. Look at HW. It says the same thing that I said. I don't make this stuff up. Really.

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Interim is half the title. You cannot be the "real" champ while there is an interim floating around. You are still the champion' date=' but a co-champion... and no one wants to be a co-champion.[/quote']

 

All I'm saying is that's the way it's listed by the UFC. If anyone has an issue with it, your issue isn't with me.

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You guys are all nuts. No one mentions the important stuff. Not one mention of how handsome the man is?? No one even touches upon the fact he is on the upcoming season of dancing with the stars. WTF. It seems like everyone is ignorant to the fact that they are making a broadway show about Brocks life and times at the WWE. Oh yes, Brock is a beautiful singer too. Y'all are gurgling Fedors nuts like listorine so much you have been left blinded to all of his wonderfull accomplishments.

You guys suck......I hate you all

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You guys are all nuts. No one mentions the important stuff. Not one mention of how handsome the man is?? No one even touches upon the fact he is on the upcoming season of dancing with the stars. WTF. It seems like everyone is ignorant to the fact that they are making a broadway show about Brocks life and times at the WWE. Oh yes' date=' Brock is a beautiful singer too. Y'all are gurgling Fedors nuts like listorine so much you have been left blinded to all of his wonderfull accomplishments.

You guys suck......I hate you all[/quote']

 

That's classic.

 

My bad, he IS a handsome man.

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That's classic.

 

My bad' date=' he IS a handsome man.[/quote']

 

Ya know, I actually took my kids spongebob squarepants doll and put a blonde wig on it to make it look more like Brock. I then sewed muscular abs into it. Followed it up with a coat of Pam....and POW! Greatest tribute doll in the world.

 

And is it coincidence that brock looks like He-Man....I think not.

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Brock IS the champ. Mir is the interim champ. thats all there is to it. the REAL champ is Brock.

 

GSP was interim champ' date=' that didnt take away from Serra still being the REAL champ.[/quote']

 

GSP was Interim champ while Serra was Hurt, Serra was the true champ at that point,

Arlovski was Interim champ while Mir was hurt, Mir was the true champ at that point.

Randy Couture was the champ and Nog should have had the next shot, but Couture decided to run off, thus makeing NOG/Sylvia fight declaring Nog the Interim Champ

Nog and Mir were tied up with TUF so Couture fought Lesnar to see who would fight the winner of Nog/Mir for the undisputed UFC heavyweight championship. Neither person is the champ they are equally the champ if anything. The real champ won't be decided until they fight.

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All I'm saying is that's the way it's listed by the UFC. If anyone has an issue with it' date=' your issue isn't with me.[/quote']

 

No argument here sir. You are correct after all, but Brock is not the undisputed champion... he is currently in a dispute with the Interim champion name Frank Mir. That is all I am getting at sir! I am not one to argue with you 200MPH

 

GSP was Interim champ while Serra was Hurt' date=' Serra was the true champ at that point,

Arlovski was Interim champ while Mir was hurt, Mir was the true champ at that point.

Randy Couture was the champ and Nog should have had the next shot, but Couture decided to run off, thus makeing NOG/Sylvia fight declaring Nog the Interim Champ

Nog and Mir were tied up with TUF so Couture fought Lesnar to see who would fight the winner of Nog/Mir for the undisputed UFC heavyweight championship. Neither person is the champ they are equally the champ if anything. The real champ won't be decided until they fight.[/quote']

 

Exactly... when they fight for the UNDISPUTED (notice that word?) UFC Heavyweight championship of the world. That makes you the "true" champion.

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No argument here sir. You are correct after all' date=' but Brock is not the undisputed champion... he is currently in a dispute with the Interim champion name Frank Mir. That is all I am getting at sir! I am not one to argue with you 200MPH

 

 

 

Exactly... when they fight for the UNDISPUTED (notice that word?) UFC Heavyweight championship of the world. That makes you the "true" champion.[/quote']

 

lol, you're right because at the moment, it's definitely DISPUTED and that fact is unindisputablenotnessnever <- I invented this word. It's good, I know, thanks :)

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an interim champ is a paper champ for one purpose. to identify the undisputed #1 contender to fight the champ.

 

Brock is champ, just acknowledge it. u dont have to like it. it seems like most of u just jump the gun on any Lesnar issue u can because u dont like him. not to mention that i bet most of u dont have a real reason to dislike Lesnar in the first place.

 

"because he came from WWE and makes mma look bad"

 

u know what, he is making the sport grow and he is truthful in what he is doing. that is great. i am sure he, alone has brought many fans to the view of mma (UFC), which is a good thing.

 

"look at how he acted during the Herring fight"

 

if this is ur reason, then u dont know that whole story on what Herring and his camp were saying/doing about Lesnars. what Lesnar did to Herring in the octagon was justified imo.

 

 

 

imo Lesnar is good as a fighter with a lot of potential AND is good for the sport in general. some fans need to lighten up.

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When I say I have met the guy' date=' here is what I mean... I am a sports camera operator who has had the opportunity to work with and shoot many professional athletes. Among them, have been some very pretentious and arrogant A holes. Brock Lesnar was not one of them. He was engaging, friendly and cooperative. He told me personally he is nicer now that he stopped drinking. Outside of work, I don't know, and I would not say by anymeans that he is a friend of mine. I do know that compared to NBA players, Boxers, and some NFL guys that I have worked with, he had way more class. How does he play the heel in MMA? Talking trash? It is encouraged to promote fights, and he even does less than most. He talks himself up about having a hard head more than he demeens his opponents.

 

Oh, yes I am from Minneapolis and am a fan and am biased, however I also know when I am wrong. I would not say I am a ****, but I respect your opinion, I just have a different view.[/quote']

 

Hey Mars,

 

Well I see you've got a reason to believe he's a nice guy.

I think it's fair to say that he might've been pushed to talk smack and that I probably take it seriously because he sounds like he's using that WWE smack talk style.

So in that sense I might've been picking sides, still I don't feel he's a 100% honest and that's just me, he'll still be earning his money no matter what I say and in the end...

Yes, it's my opinion and I thank you for accepting that just as you've got the right to have yours and I accept it.

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first off tallman is an idiot. secondly, brock is the linear champ which is what the real, undisputed or true champ is. The Nog belt, which mir now owns was created out of thin air. it really is only a number one contender's belt. Brock beat the champ. this makes him the undisputed champ. Mir is piece of dog sh**. this makes him a piece of dog sh**.

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He been filling his body with steroids for years and thats the only thing that stops him getting an **** whooping everytime he fights is the size of him. He should take off and go and fight in affliction or something

Cant stand the guy

 

... EPIC PHAIL X1000!

 

Prove he did steroids. Prove he has taken them for awhile. Prove he has a small bone mass, therefore the drugs increase his muscle size. Prove that he sucks at wrestling. Prove that being that big is the only reason he is winning.

 

Right now I can argue everything you just said pretty easily. He was never caught for steroids, check. He couldnt have been taken them for awhile if he was never caught, check. He has a very large bone mass for a man his size, which proves he is an abnormally large and strong man, check. He has proven that he can outwrestle Heath Herring who is a decent wrestler, check. And Randy Couture, check. And Frank Mir, check. Fedor is not as large as him and he whoops 350 pound mens bums, and everything in between the weight class he is in. So obviously size is not the main factor in the HW division is it? No it is not.

 

Good try though..

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... EPIC PHAIL X1000!

 

Prove he did steroids. Prove he has taken them for awhile. Prove he has a small bone mass' date=' therefore the drugs increase his muscle size. Prove that he sucks at wrestling. Prove that being that big is the only reason he is winning.

 

Right now I can argue everything you just said pretty easily. He was never caught for steroids, check. He couldnt have been taken them for awhile if he was never caught, check. He has a very large bone mass for a man his size, which proves he is an abnormally large and strong man, check. He has proven that he can outwrestle Heath Herring who is a decent wrestler, check. And Randy Couture, check. And Frank Mir, check. Fedor is not as large as him and he whoops 350 pound mens bums, and everything in between the weight class he is in. So obviously size is not the main factor in the HW division is it? No it is not.

 

Good try though..[/quote']

 

 

WOW, tallman ain't so tall now. Can you say OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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He been filling his body with steroids for years and thats the only thing that stops him getting an **** whooping everytime he fights is the size of him. He should take off and go and fight in affliction or something

Cant stand the guy

 

Strong with the ****ness' date=' are you. FAIL, you did.

 

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He been filling his body with steroids for years and thats the only thing that stops him getting an **** whooping everytime he fights is the size of him. He should take off and go and fight in affliction or something

Cant stand the guy

 

You can hate the guy all you want and for no particular reason, heck, I can't stand Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, or Rashad Evans just because they bug the crap out of me and don't really know why. But to say that a guy who has probably been tested more times than any athlete in the game over the last 10 years has been roided up the whole time without any proof is just kinda silly. He was more ripped during his NCAA days.

 

Carwin and Kongo are huge and ripped, but you don't hear guys saying they only win cause of their size and roids. He really isn't that much bigger than most heavyweights. Couture was obviously on the small side, so yeah, he looks giant.

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THis is' date=' out of everything you have said, the thing I agree with most. Good post[/quote']

 

That is definately the dumbest comment i've heard. Like him or not, he is an absolute super-human. He beats Randy Couture, and he still don't deserve the belt? WTF? Frank Mir beat Big Nog, and he don't either? Brock is the most impressive heavyweight I've ever seen, How does someone train for his size, strength, and athleticism? He is faster than people half is size. He'll hold that belt for a whileee....

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hey everyone' date=' i really just wanted to toss this out there and see what everyone thought!!!

 

I really really really ****in' hate Lesnar! like seriously, he should of stayed in the WWE...he has diff not earned the right to fight the big names that he's fighting, just cuz of who he is! its bull**** and i just dont like em, what does everyone else think of that ape...?[/quote']

 

Aye, I hate Lesnar. I hate what he looks like and the way he talks. Not trying to start anything here but when I think of Arsehole Americans he is the kind of person that springs to mind. He is just a total fanny.

 

But to credit the mong, he has some skill.

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That is definately the dumbest comment i've heard. Like him or not' date=' he is an absolute super-human. He beats Randy Couture, and he still don't deserve the belt? WTF? Frank Mir beat Big Nog, and he don't either? Brock is the most impressive heavyweight I've ever seen, How does someone train for his size, strength, and athleticism? He is faster than people half is size. He'll hold that belt for a whileee....[/quote']

 

WTF r u talking about man?! Up until now I have taken it very easy on u considering how new you are. You wanna attack me? How about u read the whole thread and see what I have to say about the whole thing and what I was agreeing with him on. There are 2 belts floating around in the HW division. Neither Brock OR Frank will be the TRUE champion until their fight. The victor will be the true champion. And if u want to argue that, you are indeed stupid. And if Brock is the most impressive HW u have ever seen, u need to spend some time outside the UFC. Brock will not hold that belt for a while. Its just not going to happen THere are way to many HW's that are much more SKILLED than he is. He will lose the belt with his first title defense. And then he will fade away.

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Aye' date=' I hate Lesnar. I hate what he looks like and the way he talks. Not trying to start anything here but when I think of Arsehole Americans he is the kind of person that springs to mind. He is just a total fanny.

 

But to credit the mong, he has some skill.[/quote'] Hey, when I think of English hoodlums, Bisping comes to mind. We'll settle this on the next TUF.

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Brock Lesnar is a JOKE... He is just a huge dude that cant handle having his life "move on"... He is one of those people that kind of hits a mid-life crisis... He goes from being an NCAA Champion wrestler to yet again realizing he comes from bo dunk **** South Dakota... He trys to be a Minnesota Viking, haha... He goes into the WWE... yeah the money was good. And then, oh look, no one is as big as me so lets go in to the UFC....... "Hey Dana, pick me, pick me"..... **** I blinked once between his fight with Mir to when he got the belt. I mean damn, does he feel good about himself fighting men who are roughly 8,713 lbs. smaller than him. I mean come-the-fu@k-on!!! I also lost A LOT of respect for the UFC for letting him join the HW division... There should be a Super HW division for ****'s like Brock... Sorry for the long venting session.... Just my $.02 cents.

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