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I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB CHECK IT OUT,THIS WAS POSTED BEFORE HIS FIGHT WITH THIAGO SILVA.ALSO I ALREADY PLAYED THIS BUT IT NEEDS TO GO AROUND AGAIN SO EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO READ.THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

 

"Lyoto Machida is an acquired taste. Like blue cheese or a peaty scotch, his fighting style is not for everyone. Using a careful in-and-out style based more on karate than the usual Muay Thai, Machida has beaten all 13 of his opponents with seemingly little effort. Given that eight of those 13 wins have been by decision, it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game. But even for non-fans, you have to admit that what looks moldy or tastes like dirt to some can be the greatest delicacy to others.

 

The fact of the matter is that Machida is about as unique as fighters come, which makes looking at his statistics all the more interesting. FightMetric tracked his stats over the course of his career in advance of Machida's bout this Saturday night against Thiago Silva at UFC 94. It's no stretch to say that Machida is the most statistically significant fighter in MMA history.

 

Here's why:

 

He absorbs fewer strikes than any fighter in UFC history,I REPEAT HE ABSORBS FEWER STRIKES THAN ANYONE IN UFC HISTORY!

 

One of the best ways to measure effective defense and dominance is to look at the number of strikes a fighter absorbs. This gets a little tricky when making comparisons because not all fights are the same length. So instead of using a cumulative total, we use a ratio. The easiest way to consistently calculate this is to figure the number of strikes absorbed divided by the number of minutes fought. That gives you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting, which we abbreviate as SApM. Here are some SApM figures for the current slate of UFC champions:

 

Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM (Note: Brock Lesnar has not had enough career fights to get a meaningful measurement)

 

These numbers shouldn't be that surprising. Silva usually beats his opponents before they have a chance to hit him. St. Pierre's excellent ground control gives few opportunities for opponents to strike back. Penn and Evans have taken more strikes, but still have low numbers. And Mir, who has taken a number of beatings in his career, stands far below the rest.

 

But none of them can touch Machida. His career SApM is 0.64. To put that into context, think of BJ Penn and figure that he has averaged absorbing almost double the number of strikes that Machida has. Machida's SApM of 0.64 gives him the second lowest number in MMA history among fighters with at least 10 fights in a major promotion. The only man standing above Machida is the inestimable Fedor Emelianenko, with a SApM of 0.59.

 

He has never been knocked down

 

The numbers above confirm what we all know; it's hard to hit Machida. But what if you did manage to hit him? How strong is his chin?

 

There isn't a lot of data here, given how infrequently he gets tagged, but the number of times he's been knocked down still stands at zero. What we can't tell quantitatively we can observe qualitatively. Despite getting hit square several times in his career, Machida has never looked "rocked" or in trouble. From the looks of it, his chin is pretty solid.

 

He's really hard to take down

 

If the numbers above would dissuade you from trying to beat Machida on the feet, the numbers below should give you an idea for what the chances are of getting him down to the ground. For this, we'll measure the number of takedowns landed divided by the number attempted. This is a simple ratio of an opponents' takedown success rate. For comparison, we will again first look at the current UFC champions' numbers:

 

Georges St. Pierre: 15% BJ Penn: 36% Rashad Evans: 38% Anderson Silva: 41% Frank Mir: 80%

 

The first four champions are above-average in their takedown defense, with GSP standing head-and-shoulders above the rest. Frank Mir's number is a bit deceiving. As a submission specialist, few opponents have bothered to take him down. Those that did try succeeded on four of five attempts, a sample size too small to really draw conclusions from.

 

So where does Machida come in? Opponents have landed just 8 of 41 career takedown attempts against Machida, a success rate of just 19.5%. That is not much worse than St. Pierre, whose takedown defense is perhaps the best in MMA history. And it's actually better than Fedor's number, which stands at 22%.

 

On the flip-side of the grappling coin, Machida has succeeded on 18 of 24 of his own takedown attempts. That 75% success rate is among the elite in the sport.

 

He completely controls his fights

 

Since coming to fight in America, Machida has gotten flak for going to decision five times in six fights. But one thing that comes out of that is we get to see how judges view his performance over that time. The 10-point must system produces nine measurements for each fight that goes to a decision (three rounds each for three judges). So in five decisions, there have been 45 measured rounds upon which judges have given their verdict.

 

Machida's record on that scale is 44-1. In all of his UFC fights (and assuming a win in the first round against Sokoudjou), Machida has not lost a single round on a single judge's scorecard. He has only won by scores of 30-27. You have to go back more than two years to find a round in which a judge said he lost. In his WFA fight against Vernon White, one of the judges called the bout 29-28. The other two still called it 30-27.

 

Numbers alone do not tell the entire story of a fighter's career, but they do point to the immutable fact that, whether you enjoy his fighting style or not, Lyoto Machida is one of the most effective fighters in the world. And if he keeps this up, he's not too far from going down as one of the most effective fighters in the history of MMA."

 

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Wow... Mir is freakin amazing isnt he?

 

 

 

Machida is a beast... plain and simple

 

lmao at the Mir comment. 41% on Silva too, that's actually higher than I'd have thought. Numbers are deceiving though, I haven't seen many guys take GSP down so I don't know how there is a 15% takedown percentage on him. Fitch did it once, maybe becuase Georges is always the agressor it cuts down on the actual takedown attempts because people don't bother with it. IDK, I think GSP fighting Fitch, Koscheck, Hughes (3), and Sherk in his career and still having a better percentage than Machida says something about how much better his takedown defense is than everybody else. Not withstading, Machida is a top notch fighter in many areas. I'm hoping for Rashad but I'm not sure he'll do it.

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...."it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game." NO ITS NOT!!! Fans that don't like Machida because they lack the patients, should go take their friggin amp energy drinkin ****, and go watch some WWE! Or Crank 2 or some ridiculous kiddy action flick! This is the ridiculous culture we live in, it's the age of immediacy. Everything has to happen right now, quickly, or the bud Lt drinking morons loose interest! There is a complete lack of interest in the arts, the techniques, the flow, of the competion. If you find yourself getting antsy watching Machida fight, then perhaps its time to for you to go watch a Rocky movie. WAKE UP!!!

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...."it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game." NO ITS NOT!!! Fans that don't like Machida because they lack the patients' date=' should go take their friggin amp energy drinkin ****, and go watch some WWE! Or Crank 2 or some ridiculous kiddy action flick! This is the ridiculous culture we live in, it's the age of immediacy. Everything has to happen right now, quickly, or the bud Lt drinking morons loose interest! There is a complete lack of interest in the arts, the techniques, the flow, of the competion. If you find yourself getting antsy watching Machida fight, then perhaps its time to for you to go watch a Rocky movie. WAKE UP!!![/quote']

 

I use to drink Bud light all the time. I really like Machida.

What is the connection here again?

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LOL I think he is saying that when people get drunk at fights, they tend to forgot what the fight is about and why they are watching it. Technically the fighters are there for the fans entertainment yes, but in reality the fighters are there to be the best they can be, and the fans just get to watch what goes down because of this. Or... at least thats what I THOUGHT he meant lol

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...."it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game." NO ITS NOT!!! Fans that don't like Machida because they lack the patients' date=' should go take their friggin amp energy drinkin ****, and go watch some WWE! Or Crank 2 or some ridiculous kiddy action flick! This is the ridiculous culture we live in, it's the age of immediacy. Everything has to happen right now, quickly, or the bud Lt drinking morons loose interest! There is a complete lack of interest in the arts, the techniques, the flow, of the competion. If you find yourself getting antsy watching Machida fight, then perhaps its time to for you to go watch a Rocky movie. WAKE UP!!![/quote']

 

 

Put the ROCKSTAR down.

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I really think that Machida may wind up as the P4P best fighter in the world.

 

I agree with this statement. It may not be after he destroys Rashad, but if he UDs Rampage, and probably Forrest, then that is that. He will be a top 3 P4P pretty quickly. This, of course is believing that Anderson Silva will retire and go on to fight RJJ sometime in the next year and a half.

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I agree with this statement. It may not be after he destroys Rashad' date=' but if he UDs Rampage, and probably Forrest, then that is that. He will be a top 3 P4P pretty quickly. This, of course is believing that Anderson Silva will retire and go on to fight RJJ sometime in the next year and a half.[/quote']

 

I really think that Machida may wind up as the P4P best fighter in the world.

He would have to go through GSP or Fedor if Anderson retires or refuses to fight him to be considerd P4P best in the world. Machida is a total stud but Id like to see him fight one those 2 after he cleans out middleweight if at all. In all honesty is it realistic that one of those fights coulkd happen? what you guys think?

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I actually enjoy watching Machida fight. I didn't at first, but as he continued, I could see the way that he was frustrating his opponents and controlling them in every way.

 

I think that within a few fights that he'll be right up near the top P4P fighter in the world.

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The guy claiming he'll be 13-1 is no more disilusioned than the p4p great people. the truth is we won't know possibly even after the Evans fight if Machida is what some claim he is. I want to see if he can handle Rampage as well, and even after that if Shogun is back on form that would be a chaallenge as well. He has too many top 5 guys to beat before he can be annointed anything, like 5 top 5 guys. He has never actually beaten a top 5 guy. I don't think Thiago Silva is anything at all, so I'll even say that he has never beaten a top 10 guy. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying he hasn't. evans has a decent shot in this one. Very fast hands and a wrestling base. He poses big problems for anyone, inlcuding Machida, who he is faster than and has more power than. I want to see this one to guage either guy. But there are plenty more tests beyond this fight for each of them before a p4p claim should be made.

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I honestly see Rashad taking this. I don't think he'll play into running laps trying to chase Machida down. Hes gonna do the sitting game (wait for Machida to come for him) I only fear Machida will do the same (wait for Rashad). It'll be like a tense stare down!

 

Machida can be agressive too, he just uses a lot of kicks and single punches when he is aggressive. He usually stays on the outside and blasts stealthy kicks into his opponents mid section and legs. He also uses high kicks too, but not nearly as much I find. Also, Machida throws a lot of feints, which makes him nearly impossible to time. Rashad is going to have trouble countering that style IMO.

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In the stand up I think Machida all the way' date=' however, Evans has good take downs, a good ground game, and I'm sure an excellent game plan. What do you guys think will happen if/when the fight goes to the ground?[/quote']

 

I want to see how Evans is going to get him to the ground considering a bigger and better wrestler named Tito could not get the job done.

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In the stand up I think Machida all the way' date=' however, Evans has good take downs, a good ground game, and I'm sure an excellent game plan. What do you guys think will happen if/when the fight goes to the ground?[/quote']

 

Machida is so elusive. We will have to see. I have picked against Rashad in almost all his fights. lol

I am always wrong.

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I honestly see Rashad taking this. I don't think he'll play into running laps trying to chase Machida down. Hes gonna do the sitting game (wait for Machida to come for him) I only fear Machida will do the same (wait for Rashad). It'll be like a tense stare down!

 

I see it in a similar way, except Machida with a decision. Rashad is a counter striker as well, and likes to sit and wait on mistakes, which Machida doesn't make. Lots of boos from the crowd and a split decision for Machida.

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I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB CHECK IT OUT' date='THIS WAS POSTED BEFORE HIS FIGHT WITH THIAGO SILVA.ALSO I ALREADY PLAYED THIS BUT IT NEEDS TO GO AROUND AGAIN SO EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO READ.THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

 

"Lyoto Machida is an acquired taste. Like blue cheese or a peaty scotch, his fighting style is not for everyone. Using a careful in-and-out style based more on karate than the usual Muay Thai, Machida has beaten all 13 of his opponents with seemingly little effort. Given that eight of those 13 wins have been by decision, it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game. But even for non-fans, you have to admit that what looks moldy or tastes like dirt to some can be the greatest delicacy to others.

 

The fact of the matter is that Machida is about as unique as fighters come, which makes looking at his statistics all the more interesting. FightMetric tracked his stats over the course of his career in advance of Machida's bout this Saturday night against Thiago Silva at UFC 94. It's no stretch to say that Machida is the most statistically significant fighter in MMA history.

 

Here's why:

 

He absorbs fewer strikes than any fighter in UFC history,I REPEAT HE ABSORBS FEWER STRIKES THAN ANYONE IN UFC HISTORY!

 

One of the best ways to measure effective defense and dominance is to look at the number of strikes a fighter absorbs. This gets a little tricky when making comparisons because not all fights are the same length. So instead of using a cumulative total, we use a ratio. The easiest way to consistently calculate this is to figure the number of strikes absorbed divided by the number of minutes fought. That gives you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting, which we abbreviate as SApM. Here are some SApM figures for the current slate of UFC champions:

 

Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM (Note: Brock Lesnar has not had enough career fights to get a meaningful measurement)

 

These numbers shouldn't be that surprising. Silva usually beats his opponents before they have a chance to hit him. St. Pierre's excellent ground control gives few opportunities for opponents to strike back. Penn and Evans have taken more strikes, but still have low numbers. And Mir, who has taken a number of beatings in his career, stands far below the rest.

 

But none of them can touch Machida. His career SApM is 0.64. To put that into context, think of BJ Penn and figure that he has averaged absorbing almost double the number of strikes that Machida has. Machida's SApM of 0.64 gives him the second lowest number in MMA history among fighters with at least 10 fights in a major promotion. The only man standing above Machida is the inestimable Fedor Emelianenko, with a SApM of 0.59.

 

He has never been knocked down

 

The numbers above confirm what we all know; it's hard to hit Machida. But what if you did manage to hit him? How strong is his chin?

 

There isn't a lot of data here, given how infrequently he gets tagged, but the number of times he's been knocked down still stands at zero. What we can't tell quantitatively we can observe qualitatively. Despite getting hit square several times in his career, Machida has never looked "rocked" or in trouble. From the looks of it, his chin is pretty solid.

 

He's really hard to take down

 

If the numbers above would dissuade you from trying to beat Machida on the feet, the numbers below should give you an idea for what the chances are of getting him down to the ground. For this, we'll measure the number of takedowns landed divided by the number attempted. This is a simple ratio of an opponents' takedown success rate. For comparison, we will again first look at the current UFC champions' numbers:

 

Georges St. Pierre: 15% BJ Penn: 36% Rashad Evans: 38% Anderson Silva: 41% Frank Mir: 80%

 

The first four champions are above-average in their takedown defense, with GSP standing head-and-shoulders above the rest. Frank Mir's number is a bit deceiving. As a submission specialist, few opponents have bothered to take him down. Those that did try succeeded on four of five attempts, a sample size too small to really draw conclusions from.

 

So where does Machida come in? Opponents have landed just 8 of 41 career takedown attempts against Machida, a success rate of just 19.5%. That is not much worse than St. Pierre, whose takedown defense is perhaps the best in MMA history. And it's actually better than Fedor's number, which stands at 22%.

 

On the flip-side of the grappling coin, Machida has succeeded on 18 of 24 of his own takedown attempts. That 75% success rate is among the elite in the sport.

 

He completely controls his fights

 

Since coming to fight in America, Machida has gotten flak for going to decision five times in six fights. But one thing that comes out of that is we get to see how judges view his performance over that time. The 10-point must system produces nine measurements for each fight that goes to a decision (three rounds each for three judges). So in five decisions, there have been 45 measured rounds upon which judges have given their verdict.

 

Machida's record on that scale is 44-1. In all of his UFC fights (and assuming a win in the first round against Sokoudjou), Machida has not lost a single round on a single judge's scorecard. He has only won by scores of 30-27. You have to go back more than two years to find a round in which a judge said he lost. In his WFA fight against Vernon White, one of the judges called the bout 29-28. The other two still called it 30-27.

 

Numbers alone do not tell the entire story of a fighter's career, but they do point to the immutable fact that, whether you enjoy his fighting style or not, Lyoto Machida is one of the most effective fighters in the world. And if he keeps this up, he's not too far from going down as one of the most effective fighters in the history of MMA."

 

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Anyone that knows the sport knows that this kid is the future. I find him fun to watch because he is methodical and patiant. He uses his head. I just think for new fans or un-educated fans to see it, he needs to beat a GSP or a Penn or Evens or a Liddell. Once he beats an ultra popular fighter ( which he will) people will start to see him for the fighter he is.

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I want to see how Evans is going to get him to the ground considering a bigger and better wrestler named Tito could not get the job done.

 

He even rolled with Tito a bit and got out. Machida's ground game isn't in serious question, he's good enough to do whatever he needs to do on the ground vs the best in the world.

 

It has yet to be seen weather there's a fighter out there that can control Machida, but I doubt it, as I see it, Machida always decides the battleground.

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Anyone that knows the sport knows that this kid is the future. I find him fun to watch because he is methodical and patiant. He uses his head. I just think for new fans or un-educated fans to see it' date=' he needs to beat a GSP or a Penn or Evens or a Liddell. Once he beats an ultra popular fighter ( which he will) people will start to see him for the fighter he is.[/quote']

He beat Penn. He's also beaten Tito Ortiz and Rich Franklin. The problem isn't not beating popular fighters, the problem is not beating them on the worlds biggest stage.

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He beat Penn. He's also beaten Tito Ortiz and Rich Franklin. The problem isn't not beating popular fighters' date=' the problem is not beating them on the worlds biggest stage.[/quote']

 

didn't you know that if it wasn't in the UFC it didn't happen right???

 

/sarcasam

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He beat Penn. He's also beaten Tito Ortiz and Rich Franklin. The problem isn't not beating popular fighters' date=' the problem is not beating them on the worlds biggest stage.[/quote']

 

 

Not quite, he beat Tito in the UFC. It just didn't impress anybody because Tito can only beat an OLD KEN. And he went to a decision with a guy who is a natural 155er. Franklin was a nice win. So was Silva (but who is he).

Machida will be fighting a lot a big names in the very near future.

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I stated earlier in this post how i don't understand why people don't appreciate/understand Machida's fighting. I like Machida a lot, but I also like Evans. I guess most people not only dislike Evans, but don't think he's a very good fighter..I think Evans will change some minds in this fight, i'm not saying that he will win the fight, but I think it will be a good scrap! People forget that Evans has been elusive and working the outside well in his fights lately (Chuck)..I also think that he can take Machida down!...but so what, then what...I just see both of them landing, and I think people are in denial about Evans' skills. I just hope it's a great technical battle, doesn't have to be a sluggfest for this mma fan!!

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I stated earlier in this post how i don't understand why people don't appreciate/understand Machida's fighting. I like Machida a lot' date=' but I also like Evans. I guess most people not only dislike Evans, but don't think he's a very good fighter..I think Evans will change some minds in this fight, i'm not saying that he will win the fight, but I think it will be a good scrap! People forget that Evans has been elusive and working the outside well in his fights lately (Chuck)..I also think that he can take Machida down!...but so what, then what...I just see both of them landing, and I think people are in denial about Evans' skills. I just hope it's a great technical battle, doesn't have to be a sluggfest for this mma fan!![/quote']

 

why do people think Evans can take Machida down when TiTo couldn't and Tito honeslty is a better wrestler then rashad... Machida is gonna go after Rashad i think and KO him early...

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Oh and also, i found it ironic that i've been hearing the same criticism towards Evans that Machida's been getting! LOL! People seem to get pissed off and impatient with both of these fighters. Both of them have been using lots of movement, faints (Spelling ??), working the outside and picking there shots. When i watched Evans last two fights everyone was hating on him for moving around the octagon too much and carefully engaging, THE Exact same stuff i hear about Machida....and they have both been VERY succesfull...hmmm..

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I don't care what anybody says about his style, Machida is absolutely the most technically sound fighter in the world. Nobody can hit him and nobody can take him down. It may get boring for some uneducated fatheads who think the sport is only highlight reel knockouts, but I enjoy watching Machida use his elusiveness to frustrate and confuse his opponents, while popping in and out landing precision strikes. It is awesome!

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Machida is fantastic.

 

Him against Evans should be a chess match' date=' they're both very patient. I think Evans will try to out-counter him and wait him out like he did to Chuck.[/quote'] He was patient aginst Chuck which is pretty easy to do since he just comes right at you. Evans would end up chasing Machida, just like everyone else and I think we all know how that would end!

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some things need to be corrected here. first of all, tito may HAVE been a better wrestler than Rashad but the tito that fought lyoto, with a back injury, is not a better wrestler than the rashad that will be fighting him. Secondly, lyoto wasn't impressive beating Penn, tito, or Franklin. Penn is too small and he didn't get the fight finished. franklin wasn't nearly as well rounded as he is now and just wasn't all that good back then. and Tito was on his way out before this match and wasn't healthy. He also had already been figured out and isn't really a matchup nightmare for anyone now at all. Machida has a great chance to win this fight and to become a great champion but there is an equal chance that he'll never be great and that even if he wins he may not be a long reigning titleist, and that's if he wins. He still has alot to prove and isn't worthy of being considered great beforhand. He may end up being great but it's far from certain right now.

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some things need to be corrected here. first of all' date=' tito may HAVE been a better wrestler than Rashad but the tito that fought lyoto, with a back injury, is not a better wrestler than the rashad that will be fighting him. Secondly, lyoto wasn't impressive beating Penn, tito, or Franklin. Penn is too small and he didn't get the fight finished. franklin wasn't nearly as well rounded as he is now and just wasn't all that good back then. and Tito was on his way out before this match and wasn't healthy. He also had already been figured out and isn't really a matchup nightmare for anyone now at all. Machida has a great chance to win this fight and to become a great champion but there is an equal chance that he'll never be great and that even if he wins he may not be a long reigning titleist, and that's if he wins. He still has alot to prove and isn't worthy of being considered great beforhand. He may end up being great but it's far from certain right now.[/quote']

 

I agree with you on the whole. you have some very valid points.

 

But I would have to disagree with some of your thoughts on Machida

 

I'll give you, a lot of his wins don't look impressive because of the way he fights. He scores points and picks apart fighters, while not as flashy as a Liddell KO punch or a Silva

Knee or elbow, they all achive the same thing in the end right? So does the win mean less just because of that? Tito was on his way out but that wasn't Machida's fault and just because Tito wasn't what he used to be didn't make him less dangerous. He didn't finish Penn, but how many people do finish aginst Penn? I'm not saying it doesn't happen but its not the easiest thing in the world to do, even if he was the bigger fighter. If size was everything Gracie would have lost most of his fights. As for the Franklin fight, he finished him with strikes! How many people, other than A. Silva can say they finished Rich Franklin? I'll tell you how many....zero!

 

Now I totally agree that Machida is not a great fighter YET. But it is going to happen IMO. Evans is a very good fighter and has a good chance to give Lyoto his first loss. But if he follows the status quo and chases Machida around the ring, he'll get picked apart just like all the others and we have a new Champ IMO!! And like you said, even if he wins it doesn't mean he'll keep it for long. I think it up to Machida to do what it take to stay at the level he's already on and to also train to get better, and the ability of his opponents to adapt and change to be comepitive with him later down the road

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something i wanted to chime in about....

 

u can discredit many of Machidas wins... Penn WAY out of his weight class. Tito was hurt. Soko is a flash in the pan, etc..

 

however, Franklin is not one of them imo. Franklin had like 12 or 13 fights at the time. Machida only had like 2 or 3. yes, Franklin wasnt as good as he was now, but the same argument could be made for Machida. beating and FINISHING Franklin is a solid win imo.

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i am sorry but having these people in ur win column IS impressive, no matter how u cut it....

 

BJ Penn

Rich Franklin

Thiago Silva

Tito Ortiz

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou

Sam Greco

Vernon White

David Heath

Kazuhiro Nakamura

Stephan Bonnar

Michael McDonald

Sam Hoger

 

thats well more then half of his wins and they all hold a fair amount of name value at one point or another.

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something i wanted to chime in about....

 

u can discredit many of Machidas wins... Penn WAY out of his weight class. Tito was hurt. Soko is a flash in the pan' date=' etc..

 

however, Franklin is not one of them imo. Franklin had like 12 or 13 fights at the time. Machida only had like 2 or 3. yes, Franklin wasnt as good as he was now, but the same argument could be made for Machida. beating and FINISHING Franklin is a solid win imo.[/quote']

 

I agree

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something i wanted to chime in about....

 

u can discredit many of Machidas wins... Penn WAY out of his weight class. Tito was hurt. Soko is a flash in the pan' date=' etc..

 

however, Franklin is not one of them imo. Franklin had like 12 or 13 fights at the time. Machida only had like 2 or 3. yes, Franklin wasnt as good as he was now, but the same argument could be made for Machida. beating and FINISHING Franklin is a solid win imo.[/quote']

 

I agree

 

let me quote myself since this is basically an add on....

 

and Machida KO'd Franklin LEGIT!! if i remember right it was a beautiful solid headkick the started off the finish.

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i am sorry but having these people in ur win column IS impressive' date=' no matter how u cut it....

 

BJ Penn

Rich Franklin

Thiago Silva

Tito Ortiz

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou

Sam Greco

Vernon White

David Heath

Kazuhiro Nakamura

Stephan Bonnar

Michael McDonald

Sam Hoger

 

thats well more then half of his wins and they all hold a fair amount of name value at one point or another.[/quote']

 

That was my point exactly, it doesn't matter how they got there, just that they're there!! I agree 100%

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