towhatend Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The recent worst fighters in the UFC thread spiked influence for this thread. I've seen a ton of Bisping posts in that one which, while I'm not a fan of him, are way out of place. Note: there is a difference between being a bad fighter and being an overrated one. This thread is to address the latter. Bisping Jardine Valasquez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Mir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Machida And how is Jardine overrated? If anything, he's underrated, but I'd say he's rated fine. Sure, he may not be the best, he may not be able to put together a couple of wins, but he is a good fighter. A lot of people just like who he seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Machida Clearly being undefeated, not losing a round in the UFC and being champ= overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStandard Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 the arseclown, rashad evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipmodollas Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow another over rated thread hmm..Bisping point blank period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Clearly being undefeated' date=' not losing a round in the UFC and being champ= overrated[/quote'] I'm not saying he's bad, you'll never see me saying he's bad, but there are way too many people that hype him up SO much, because of the facts you listed. He's undefeated (I'm only counting UFC) after beating who? Ortiz and Silva are the only people worth mentioning. Not losing a round is impressive, but he has yet to face real talent other than Silva and Ortiz, and for god sakes, he hasn't even defended his title yet, and here we see people practically worshiping Machida like he's god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Machida And how is Jardine overrated? If anything' date=' he's underrated, but I'd say he's rated fine. Sure, he may not be the best, he may not be able to put together a couple of wins, but he is a good fighter. A lot of people just like who he seems to be.[/quote'] He's the slightest one on this list for sure. I just think as of late all the hype about how he's going to take out T. Silva from some people has gotten to me. But in all honesty I just think he got too much attention after his wins over Forrest and Chuck. He did have a great fight against Jackson though, despite the loss. Bottom line: most of the time he is rated fine. Just lately things have been getting a bit much. Though I suppose I'll save my judgements for after 102 because a solid win there (read: NOT fighting for points) will change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtx Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Guida and Sanchez, they are rated so high by so many people it scares me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hella Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 machida is no where near over rated . hes won the belt from evens with ease .no one has figured out his style or tymin yet but soon it will happen.the only over rated fighter i see is evans .i mean hes a good fighter but not the best like alot seem to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaLesnarPierre Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I'm not saying he's bad' date=' you'll never see me saying he's bad, but there are way too many people that hype him up SO much, because of the facts you listed. He's undefeated (I'm only counting UFC) after beating who? Ortiz and Silva are the only people worth mentioning. Not losing a round is impressive, but he has yet to face real talent other than Silva and Ortiz, and for god sakes, he hasn't even defended his title yet, and here we see people practically worshiping Machida like he's god.[/quote'] Ortiz and Silva? Your forgetting about former Light heavyweight Champion Rashad Evans. Who was 18-0-1 before he got his **** handed to him by Machida. Machida is not overrated whatsoever. I think Shogun is overrated. After beating an old and hate to say it, horrible Chuck Lidell, people think this guy is amazing. He is good, but come on, I personally think he doesn't stand a chance against Machida's awesome defense, combined with his excellent striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^Oh, former champ, Rashad Evans. Lets see, who has he beaten? Oh yeah, Chuck Liddell, but as you said, he's old, horrible, and he's on his way out. Oh yeah! He beat Forrest Griffin! But Forrest isn't 'great', he's 'good', he even said it himself. Rashad is also overrated. And Shogun isn't overrated, people just want to see the old Shogun back from Prime, who was very dominant. If Pride Shogun doesn't show up in his fight against Machida, he won't be overrated, he'll just be past his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_Koscheck Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 IMO Gabe Gonzaga + Nate Diaz r up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 IMO Gabe Gonzaga + Nate Diaz r up there Definately agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtx Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Definately agree Gabe Gonzaga is underrated. His BJJ is second to none in the HW division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Definately agree can't decide on Gonzaga, but def agree with Nate Diaz. Have yet to be impressed, and just genereally don't care for him much. I think he loses his next fight also to Guillard (spelling?) Will that be two or three in a row, yet he's still a main event, even if it is fight night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FG4Prez Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Rashad Evans i think is Overrated he Beat Griffin ill give him that but he beat a Lidell past his prime.... so the only great victory in my eyes for Rashad is against Griffin .... SO **** RASHAD he is going to get KTFO by Rampage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mma66 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The recent worst fighters in the UFC thread spiked influence for this thread. I've seen a ton of Bisping posts in that one which' date=' while I'm not a fan of him, are way out of place. Note: there is a difference between being a bad fighter and being an overrated one. This thread is to address the latter. Bisping Jardine Valasquez[/quote'] Mac Danzig. Why was he elected to fight on the UFC 100 card?, i really don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtp Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Machida And how is Jardine overrated? If anything' date=' [b']he's underrated[/b], but I'd say he's rated fine. Sure, he may not be the best, he may not be able to put together a couple of wins, but he is a good fighter. A lot of people just like who he seems to be. Agreed. He has been fighting the top 10 in the UFC like 6 straight times or something like that. I think hes a little underrated, but there shouldnt be this much hype on him i dont think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtp Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 clearly being undefeated' date=' not losing a round in the ufc and being champ= overrated[/quote'] lol! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff83 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Mir is overrated. Brandon Vera is overrated too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator7 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 SHOGUN!!! is overrated and your about to watch him get whooped His fight against Coleman was absolutely pitiful, his fight against forest was pitiful and he managed to get 1 knockout thus far! He shouldn't even have a title shot, he has not earnerd it and not even near the caliber as machida! and i'm not biased toward machita either, simply and observation of skill assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 SHOGUN!!! is overrated and your about to watch him get whooped Is fight against Coleman was absolutely pitiful' date=' his fight against forest was pitiful and he managed to get 1 knockout thus far! He shouldn't even have a title shot, he has not earnerd it and not even near the caliber as machida! and i'm not biased toward machita either, simply and observation of skill assessment.[/quote'] cool thing about this is we'll know for sure by the end of the weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator7 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 can't decide on Gonzaga' date=' but def agree with Nate Diaz. Have yet to be impressed, and just genereally don't care for him much. I think he loses his next fight also to Guillard (spelling?) Will that be two or three in a row, yet he's still a main event, even if it is fight night?[/quote'] i didn't give nate diaz much weight either, but he whoops Frank Shamrocks ****! and i love him for that! hahahaha Frank is a **** for what he did to Gracie, (henzo if i remember right) managing to get himself dis qualified, and then talking non stop ****! so watching Nate diaz whoop franks ask, makes me like him alot more and gives me validay when i say Frank shamrock is OVERRATED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xnilesx Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Number 1 is obviously fedor. he wont even join the ufc. now to ufc fighters. probably brandon vera, michael bisping, mark coleman, shogun rua, forrest griffin even though i do like him alot, and probably keith jardine, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Number 1 is obviously fedor. he wont even join the ufc. now to ufc fighters. probably brandon vera' date=' michael bisping, mark coleman, shogun rua, forrest griffin even though i do like him alot, and probably keith jardine,[/quote'] i have to disagree with Bisping (he isn't rated that high to begin with lol), Coleman (everyone already knows he's past his prime), Forrest (a KO to Silva and Jardine doesn't make you overrated, although the loss to Rashad hurts him a bit), and Jardine (3-3? in his last 6 vs almost all top ten fighters). I see where you're coming from on Fedor and Vera though. And if you only look at his record you can say Jardine, but I think you have to look at the competition he faces too. He could be 4-2 or 5-1 if he wanted to face lesser opponents to pad the record a la Bisping (other than Rashad and Hendo which were both loses, a should be L to Hamill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator7 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^Oh' date=' former champ, Rashad Evans. Lets see, who has he beaten? Oh yeah, Chuck Liddell, but as you said, he's old, horrible, and he's on his way out. Oh yeah! He beat Forrest Griffin! But Forrest isn't 'great', he's 'good', he even said it himself. Rashad is also overrated. And Shogun isn't overrated, people just want to see the old Shogun back from Prime, who was very dominant. If Pride Shogun doesn't show up in his fight against Machida, he won't be overrated, he'll just be past his prime.[/quote'] Wow dude do you hear yourself? you do realize your contradicting yourself here right? saying Rashad Evans isn't good cause he hasn't beaten anyone good, when your boy shogun lost to one of these 2 other "not great" fighters your talking about is a straight contradiction! SHOGUNS fights in pride are almost irrelevant, the only thing good i'd say shogun excelled at in pride was leaping head stomps, which are illegal in ufc. His cardio sucks his BJJ sucks ( at real competition level ) or against any formidable opponent aka Forrest Griffon To give him a excuse and say he is past is prime at THE AGE OF 27 is just making excuses for the fact he never was as great as you thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow dude do you hear yourself? you do realize your contradicting yourself here right? saying Rashad Evans isn't good cause he hasn't beaten anyone good' date=' when your boy shogun lost to one of these 2 other "not great" fighters your talking about is a straight contradiction! SHOGUNS fights in pride are almost irrelevant, the only thing good i'd say shogun excelled at in pride was leaping head stomps, which are illegal in ufc. His cardio sucks his BJJ sucks ( at real competition level ) or against any formidable opponent aka Forrest Griffon To give him a excuse and say he is past is prime at THE AGE OF 27 is just making excuses for the fact he never was as great as you thought![/quote'] dunno if i agree with all of it, but def can't be past your prime at 27 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Machida And how is Jardine overrated? If anything' date=' he's underrated, but I'd say he's rated fine. Sure, he may not be the best, he may not be able to put together a couple of wins, but he is a good fighter. A lot of people just like who he seems to be.[/quote'] machida is an animal. what are you dumb? he is undefeated with a title defense i think he is underated you idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyours Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i have to disagree with Bisping (he isn't rated that high to begin with lol)' date=' Coleman (everyone already knows he's past his prime), Forrest (a KO to Silva and Jardine doesn't make you overrated, although the loss to Rashad hurts him a bit), and Jardine (3-3? in his last 6 vs almost all top ten fighters). I see where you're coming from on Fedor and Vera though. And if you only look at his record you can say Jardine, but I think you have to look at the competition he faces too. He could be 4-2 or 5-1 if he wanted to face lesser opponents to pad the record a la Bisping (other than Rashad and Hendo which were both loses, a should be L to Hamill).[/quote'] Yo...... Jadine fights at the top of the food chain..... and he mixes it up in there. Overated Fedor and definatly Bisbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 machida is an animal. what are you dumb? he is undefeated with a title defense i think he is underated you idiot don't think he's underrated, but i don't recall a title defense... at least until tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshiec1203 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 don't think he's overrated i mean or underrated for that matter. think he's been given the right amount of credit for what he has done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetcarmanager Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The recent worst fighters in the UFC thread spiked influence for this thread. I've seen a ton of Bisping posts in that one which' date=' while I'm not a fan of him, are way out of place. Note: there is a difference between being a bad fighter and being an overrated one. This thread is to address the latter. Bisping Jardine [b']Valasquez[/b] I agree with the first one. The second one, I'm up in the air about. But Velasquez? How is he overrated? Please tell us why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted_Mind Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Gsp some people say hes p4p, but he is ****. He doesnt try to finish fights, he just holds guys on the ground and uses hes groin to pound hes opponent. He didnt finish bj penn, bj quit and there is a big difference. Gsp is overrated, there is no way he is p4p best in mma, maybe wrestling but not in mma, since you should finish youre fights in mma. Shogun he has 1 loss, 1 ****ty victory and 1 knock out over chuck, but chuck hasnt been the same for a while. How the hell did this guy get a title shot? Keith Jardeine this guy is horrible, such a booring fighter even though hes a stand up fighter... Randy Couture after all hes record is 16-9 and he isnt the most exciting fighter. He seems like a decent guy as a person, but i think hes overrated as a fighter. The thing about ufc is that they promote all of their fighters as ''the best in the whole world'' and that lowers the ''value'' of the best. Dont get me wrong ufc propably has the most talented fighters except few, but there can only be one best. Also Joe Rogans hyping makes ufc look bad, when he hypes a guy who looks like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow dude do you hear yourself? you do realize your contradicting yourself here right? saying Rashad Evans isn't good cause he hasn't beaten anyone good' date=' when your boy shogun lost to one of these 2 other "not great" fighters your talking about is a straight contradiction! SHOGUNS fights in pride are almost irrelevant, the only thing good i'd say shogun excelled at in pride was leaping head stomps, which are illegal in ufc. His cardio sucks his BJJ sucks ( at real competition level ) or against any formidable opponent aka Forrest Griffon To give him a excuse and say he is past is prime at THE AGE OF 27 is just making excuses for the fact he never was as great as you thought![/quote'] 1st, I'm not contrasdicting myself, your just turning things around. This is fighting, anyone can lose to anyone, but to actually win, and to win on a consistent basis, and against good competetors, is another. Rashad still hasn't beat anyone worth while other than Ortiz and Evans, while Rua has beaten many of the sports top competitors. And I'm not the one saying he's great, his record, titles, and list of people he's beaten, however, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmakillsallothersports Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 bisping, sanchez (great fighter but definetly should not be next in line for title shot but is so hyped hes getting it, shogun (not a chance in hell of beating machida, lesnar (great but some already say unbeatable or could beat fedor come on lets be reasonable the guy has 4 fights, bj penn great awesome but people put him with the elite i think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndisputedKing Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The thing about ufc is that they promote all of their fighters as ''the best in the whole world'' and that lowers the ''value'' of the best. Dont get me wrong ufc propably has the most talented fighters except few' date=' but there can only be one best. Also Joe Rogans hyping makes ufc look bad, when he hypes a guy who looks like ****.[/quote'] I've always said that. Every fight Rogan say the guy is the best_____ in MMA. The guy wins or loses... and the next month some one else is the best _____ in MMA. He's says it about everybody! Doesn't make sense!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSanta Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Rashad still hasn't beat anyone worth while other than Ortiz and EvansQUOTE] Does that make Lidell and Forrest chumps. Rashad beat both of them...pretty fashionably i might add. But as for overrated CLAY GUIDA - hes a half decent fighter and is hyped up to be this phenomenal guy. I dont see it BROCK LESNAR - Everyone needs to chill with Brock...he has had what 6 fights in his MMA career and everyone says he is the best HW and blah blah blah...give it another year before you jump to conclusions DIEGO SANCHEZ - Now i like diego...i think hes a great fighter...but he is not in the top 5 or top 10 for that matter. People hype him up a little too much MICHAEL BISPING - hahah enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Rashad still hasn't beat anyone worth while other than Ortiz and EvansQUOTE] Does that make Lidell and Forrest chumps. Rashad beat both of them...pretty fashionably i might add. Wow, where have you been the past couple of years? Rashad beat a past-his-prime Chuck Liddell. Oooooo. Good for him, he got a KO on an older guy who now dances. And yeah, Forrest is a chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSanta Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow' date=' where have you been the past couple of years? Rashad beat a past-his-prime Chuck Liddell. Oooooo. Good for him, he got a KO on an older guy who now dances. And yeah, Forrest is a chump.[/quote'] Liddell...yah i can see...he is past his prime...but forrest a chump? we must not be watching the same fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamfather Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I really don't recall many people even rating Bisping that highly, a lot of it was wait and see what happens and saw we did...so I think over-rated might be the wrong tag for him. Frank Mir I think meets the tag of over-rated...you just don't know whether the technically gifted or lazy ****, complacent numpty is going to turn up. Needs more consistency without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liddell93 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 rich franklin..frank mir..kenny florian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I agree with the first one. The second one' date=' I'm up in the air about. But Velasquez? How is he overrated? Please tell us why?[/quote'] No problem, I can't believe it took four pages for someone to ask this. First would be the lack of competition he faced. Save for Kongo, all of his previous opponents in the UFC were by no means top competitors. In fact, Kongo is the only one of his opponents currently still fighting in the UFC. Granted, wins are wins and he delivered them in a convincing fashion but I think Kongo showed that against a more powerful striker Velasquez would get rocked. As of now, I have a lot of questions about his chin. It's far from bad, but you need an exceptional one in the UFC's HW division. As of right now he has a TON of potential. But to me people are hyping him up simply because of his wins against lesser opponents and half of me thinks (doubt this will happen but it's a moderately funny scenerio) he could end up being the Mexican version of Bisping. I'm anxiously awaiting his next fight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWW Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Gabe Gonzaga is underrated. His BJJ is second to none in the HW division. He's second to Big Nog and I would only rank his bjj on par with Mir's. Most overrated those would be: 1) Shogun 2) Bisping 3) Evans 4) Cro Cop 5) Mir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfernandez82 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 frank mir, micheal bisping, clay guida, forrest griffin, rich franklin, nate diaz i can see why ppl wd say Fedor, as he hasnt beat the current ufc heavyweight talent, i however still think if he came to the ufc he'd be up the top, - but to be fair we will never be able to prove that he is as gd as ppl say he as he is never guna come to the ufc so guess alot of ppl will forever hold the opinion that he is overrated, shame really . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujitsWho Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 He's second to Big Nog and I would only rank his bjj on par with Mir's. Most overrated those would be: 1) Shogun 2) Bisping 3) Evans 4) Cro Cop 5) Mir Wow, I don't see those 2 as overrated at all. The others I agree with though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyosha24 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 saying cro cop or shogun are overrated must come from only knowing their ufc fighting history. cro cop for a time was probably the most feared fighter in the hw division. left leg kicks from hell. shogun was and still is one scary dude im not even going to go into detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benxbec Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Overrated 1. Fedor 2. Brock 3. GSP 4. Bisping Underrated 1. Drew McFederies 2. Diego Sanchez 3. Gabriel Gonzaga 4. BJ Penn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch221406050358 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Randy Couture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Overrated1. Fedor 2. Brock 3. GSP 4. Bisping Underrated 1. Drew McFederies 2. Diego Sanchez 3. Gabriel Gonzaga 4. BJ Penn I wont even bother with this one, I'll let someone else rip you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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