futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i believe that they should hold off that title fight until the rashad Evans and rampage fight. i mean what i know shogun knocked out chuck but that's basically it. he has had three fights in the ufc, the mark coleman fight was also terrible. the winner of the ultimate fighter finale, rampage or rashad, should get another shot at regaining their title not shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWT Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 he doesn't - it's a quick fix. Rua could have easily done with more fights to test himself (from a viewing perspective) - it's more because of Rampage's injury I think. And lack of contenders already in line. Dana's screwed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 There is a serious lack of contenders at the moment with Rampage and Rashad tied up in their fight. Forrest getting dispatched twice in a row, Thiago losing to Machida, Jardine losing to Rampage, Liddell losing to everybody, Tito having lost to Machida, I mean, who else is he going to fight? Funny how people think Shogun doesn't deserve his shot when Anderson and Nog got their title shots after 1 fight and people thought Rampage should have got a shot right after beating Wanderlei which was only 1 fight after losing the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryAgent Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 There is a serious lack of contenders at the moment with Rampage and Rashad tied up in their fight. Forrest getting dispatched twice in a row' date=' Thiago losing to Machida, Jardine losing to Rampage, Liddell losing to everybody, Tito having lost to Machida, I mean, who else is he going to fight? Funny how people think Shogun doesn't deserve his shot when Anderson and Nog got their title shots after 1 fight and people thought Rampage should have got a shot right after beating Wanderlei which was only 1 fight after losing the belt.[/quote'] I see your point that guys got title shots after 1 fight but really who has shogun beat up? Liddell? That's completely laughable everyone knows dude is washed up and was already damaged goods same thing with Coleman. He faced Forrest who is still in his prime (although his showing against Silva will create a lot of detractors) and lost. I also don't think he is deserving of a title shot. But then again along with what you're saying I also have to agree that who is left? This would have been a great time to have him face off against Anderson Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^ Who did Anderson beat? Chris Leben? He's not top 10. Nogiuera beat Heath Herring, who's not top 10. Rampage beat Wanderlei who was 1-3 in his last 4. I just don't see he double standard here. Shogun is a monster and if he is injury free he is trouble for anyone. I highly doubt anyone familiar with his Pride days is counting him completely out of this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Because Rampage is fighting Rashad, Hendo's still itching to fight anderson ( and is better at MW ) , Anderson won't fight Machida, and Forrest just got destroyed. Who else should he fight. It's an interesting match up. To me that counts more than who's on a win streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Why is Evans on the poll??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andys562 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^ Who did Anderson beat? Chris Leben? He's not top 10. Nogiuera beat Heath Herring' date=' who's not top 10. Rampage beat Wanderlei who was 1-3 in his last 4. I just don't see he double standard here. Shogun is a monster and if he is injury free he is trouble for anyone. I highly doubt anyone familiar with his Pride days is counting him completely out of this fight.[/quote'] Look at how Anderson finished Chris Leben in like a minute. Completely destroyed him. Look at how Shogun lost to Forrest in his first fight. Had he won that fight, I'm really sure he would have gotten a title shot. Then they threw washed up old men at Shogun to whoop on, and now here he is. He shouldn't get a title shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Why is Evans on the poll??? what are you an idiot?:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Funny how people think Shogun doesn't deserve his shot when Anderson and Nog got their title shots after 1 fight and people thought Rampage should have got a shot right after beating Wanderlei which was only 1 fight after losing the belt. They are also remembering their fights in pride also with anderson beating Leben. look at Chris Leben win streak before he fought anderson then how anderson completely destroyed chris leben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 what are you an idiot?:mad: Are you an idiot. Wasn't Evans last fight a title fight against Machida. Didn't he get knocked out. so why dont you shutup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Are you an idiot. Wasn't Evans last fight a title fight against Machida. Didn't he get knocked out. so why dont you shutup. if he wins against rampage who is else is still a contedor you shouldnt take if jason mayhem miller is one of your favorite fighters he is a ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Look at how Anderson finished Chris Leben in like a minute. Completely destroyed him. Look at how Shogun lost to Forrest in his first fight. Had he won that fight' date=' I'm really sure he would have gotten a title shot. Then they threw washed up old men at Shogun to whoop on, and now here he is. He shouldn't get a title shot.[/quote'] I agree he destroyed Leben and is the only guy to KO him and did it under a minute. Impressive, yes. Shogun had 2 knee surgeries in a year and a half. Each surgery takes 6 months to heal and get back to a regular training regimen heed why he was gassed against Coleman and look terrible against Forrest. But nobody considers these things. He looked awesome against Liddell and Liddell looked decent he just got caught. You must be one of those guys who hasn't seen Shogun put the utter destruction on the likes of Rampage. That clinch was twice as bad as Anderson Vs Franklin 1 And actually, Dana tried to throw Shogun in to make Liddell look good. There's even video of Shogun in his locker room after the fight and Dana following him back to ask him to fight Chuck as soon as he got back to his locker room. But nobody is mentioning Nog and Rampage. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 shogun merked up rampage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 still whats the point to have a rematch so soon. Everyone hates seeing rematches super soon when it wasn't a close fight or a bad ref stoppage. If Evans loses again then he will never have the chance to get better and fight machida for the title. Just like how rich franklin will never face against Anderson. O yeah JAson Mayhem Miller is the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHamer Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Are you an idiot. Wasn't Evans last fight a title fight against Machida. Didn't he get knocked out. so why dont you shutup. I've read other posts from you and you seem like a knowledgable, intelligent guy. I've also read all futurewhatevers posts and, well, he's not. He just wants to insult people but it's probably a difficult time for him, what with him teething and stopping breastfeeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryAgent Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^ Who did Anderson beat? Chris Leben? He's not top 10. Nogiuera beat Heath Herring' date=' who's not top 10. Rampage beat Wanderlei who was 1-3 in his last 4. I just don't see he double standard here. Shogun is a monster and if he is injury free he is trouble for anyone. I highly doubt anyone familiar with his Pride days is counting him completely out of this fight.[/quote'] Really I know you didn't just say that... Hendo, Forrest, Leites, Franklin, Marquardt and the list goes on...While these guys are not LHW Anderson in my opinion (take that for whatever you like) is truly a LHW. I think he is sandbagging in the middlewieght division. He is absolutely enormous compared to this guys and looks more like he belongs when has fought in the LHW division. Also if you go back and reread my original post I was agreeing with you for the most part. http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fightingwords/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/silvahendo.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I've read other posts from you and you seem like a knowledgable' date=' intelligent guy.I've also read all futurewhatevers posts and, well, he's not. He just wants to insult people but it's probably a difficult time for him, what with him teething and stopping breastfeeding.[/quote'] thank you for your comments???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripling_Warrior Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Really I know you didn't just say that... Hendo' date=' Forrest, Leites, Franklin, Marquardt and the list goes on...While these guys are not LHW Anderson in my opinion (take that for whatever you like) is truly a LHW. I think he is sandbagging in the middlewieght division. He is absolutely enormous compared to this guys and looks more like he belongs when has fought in the LHW division. Also if you go back and reread my original post I was agreeing with you for the most part. http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fightingwords/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/silvahendo.jpg[/quote'] I Think hes talking about who Anderson Fought to deserve the title shot. Then it would just be leben in the ufc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Really I know you didn't just say that... Hendo' date=' Forrest, Leites, Franklin, Marquardt and the list goes on...While these guys are not LHW Anderson in my opinion (take that for whatever you like) is truly a LHW. I think he is sandbagging in the middlewieght division. He is absolutely enormous compared to this guys and looks more like he belongs when has fought in the LHW division. Also if you go back and reread my original post I was agreeing with you for the most part. http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fightingwords/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/silvahendo.jpg[/quote'] I meant before Anderson got his title shot. That's what this whole thread is about. And I quoted a completely different person so I don't know where you got the idea I was targeting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I've read other posts from you and you seem like a knowledgable' date=' intelligent guy.I've also read all futurewhatevers posts and, well, he's not. He just wants to insult people but it's probably a difficult time for him, what with him teething and stopping breastfeeding.[/quote'] happy hamer is a ****ing ****** ***** go suck a **** ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryAgent Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 because of the arrow ^^ pointing up below my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Whoa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 happy hamer is a ****ing ****** ***** go suck a **** ****** i also think you are an idiot and you suck baby **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHamer Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 happy hamer is a ****ing ****** ***** go suck a **** ****** Hurray. I got a mention. More insults from a keyboard warrior. Took you a long time to reply. One hand busy, eh tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 because of the arrow ^^ pointing up below my post. Oh, right. That. lol. sorry. I got an injury in training so I'm a little doped up on pain pills right now and I thought you quoted a different post from me. lol. Forgot about that one I'm a little slow right now. Sorry. But my point is still valid. He beat 1 mediocre fighter and got a title shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i believe that they should hold off that title fight until the rashad Evans and rampage fight. The Rampage vs Rashad fight isn't until December. So you're saying you'd rather see Machida not step into the octagon for almost a year than fight a slightly weaker opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andys562 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Ok, I think that Jardine and Silva need one more fight to back into contention. Rampage should get the next title shot. But if he loses to Rashad, I don't know what to expect. Because then Rashad would be back in the contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hella Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 although im not a fan of shogun,he is still a great contender.ive seen him fightin pride an before he was injured he would give anyone a run for the money.he got a title fight for one simple reason , who else is machita gonna fight? theres really no one left as of now. i agree he should have to earn it but look at his resume an youll see that shogun is a fight for anyone.yea he beat chuck an he beat coleman in the ufc but look at pride an youll see that he can be a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmakillsallothersports Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 he doesnt deserve it but he was next available choice in ufcs eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Who are you to say wheater he deserved it or not? They are giving him a chance to come back as he once was in Pride, and be dominant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Rampage vs Rashad fight isn't until December. So you're saying you'd rather see Machida not step into the octagon for almost a year than fight a slightly weaker opponent. a year? thats four months you stupid **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHamer Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 a year? thats four months you stupid **** Machida fought Evans in May, Rampage/Evans is in December, so neither of them will fight for about 3-4 months afterwards, so they would then face Machida in April/May, which is one year between Machida fights. Who's stupid now, junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryAgent Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Oh' date=' right. That. lol. sorry. I got an injury in training so I'm a little doped up on pain pills right now and I thought you quoted a different post from me. lol. Forgot about that one I'm a little slow right now. Sorry. But my point is still valid. He beat 1 mediocre fighter and got a title shot.[/quote'] I agree with you on that point but do you really think he is deserving other then that? Yeah he's explosive (or was) and yeah he has beaten the hell outta Rampage and is most notably known for that fight with Rampage but this isn't Pride and that was a long time ago. After just watching that fight over again Rampage didn't even look like Rampage. I would like to see a rematch of Shogun and Rampage more then Shogun and Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millman666 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Look at how Anderson finished Chris Leben in like a minute. Completely destroyed him. Look at how Shogun lost to Forrest in his first fight. Had he won that fight' date=' I'm really sure he would have gotten a title shot. Then they threw washed up old men at Shogun to whoop on, and now here he is. He shouldn't get a title shot.[/quote'] Yea and his fight against Mark Coleman was just stupid! He was just as tired as Coleman after 2 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwiftSpear Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i believe that they should hold off that title fight until the rashad Evans and rampage fight. i mean what i know shogun knocked out chuck but that's basically it. he has had three fights in the ufc' date=' the mark coleman fight was also terrible. the winner of the ultimate fighter finale, rampage or rashad, should get another shot at regaining their title not shogun.[/quote'] Machida doesn't want to sit on his **** doing nothing for 9 months. I don't argue that Rampage doesn't deserve the shot more than shogun, but Rampage decided not to take that fight, and the champ doesn't wait for the challenger's schedule to clear, it's the other way around. So Shogun gets the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome1AIW Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Why is Evans on the poll??? I dont know. He shouldn't be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i believe that they should hold off that title fight until the rashad Evans and rampage fight. i mean what i know shogun knocked out chuck but that's basically it. he has had three fights in the ufc' date=' the mark coleman fight was also terrible. the winner of the ultimate fighter finale, rampage or rashad, should get another shot at regaining their title not shogun.[/quote'] what would be the point of this? rashad just fought machida and rampage passed up the shot likely due to whatever injury. let shogun fight for the time being. if he doesn't deserve the shot then the result will be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millman666 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Who are you to say wheater he deserved it or not? They are giving him a chance to come back as he once was in Pride' date=' and be dominant again.[/quote'] Every fight I've seen Shogun win was by a soccor kick( correct me if i'm wrong with that ), i dunno if he'll be able to be dominant again since he can't do that anymore. Plus his conditioning doesnt look too good these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Well, I see 6 of his 18 wins were determined my stomps and soccer kicks. But it's not like you just get lucky with those, they don't just come outta no where. So in UFC, he could end it with punches, regular ground and pound. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billytk Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Rampage deserves the shot but better to have Shogun fight now then to have to wait for the reality show to finish before a title fight (even longer since they want 'page to fight rashad first) Although I will admit Shogun hasn't shown he's anywhere near the fighter he was in Pride losing to forest then winning against 2 guys who should be in geriatric care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 ^ total of a 1 year lay off in a year and a half and fighting 2 fights inbetween that time will do that to you, though. Injury free Shogun = Rampage fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedorp4pking Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i believe that they should hold off that title fight until the rashad Evans and rampage fight. i mean what i know shogun knocked out chuck but that's basically it. he has had three fights in the ufc' date=' the mark coleman fight was also terrible. the winner of the ultimate fighter finale, rampage or rashad, should get another shot at regaining their title not shogun.[/quote'] shogun is the most deserving of the title shot.. Machida said he doesnt wanna wait that long before a defense.. so shogun is the only answer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshdfs Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Dana has a history of taking a fighters entire career into consideration when making fights. Shogun has proven to be one of the best LHW fighters in the history of the sport, despite an ugly loss to Forrest after coming off an injury. At this point he is really the only worthy challenger for Machida besides Belfort and Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuayThaiClinch Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 lol i laughed at winner of keith jardine and thiago choice, yea jardin def. deserves a title shot more than rua if he wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I agree with you on that point but do you really think he is deserving other then that? Yeah he's explosive (or was) and yeah he has beaten the hell outta Rampage and is most notably known for that fight with Rampage but this isn't Pride and that was a long time ago. After just watching that fight over again Rampage didn't even look like Rampage. I would like to see a rematch of Shogun and Rampage more then Shogun and Machida. Rampage didn't look like Rampage because he got his ribs broken 30 seconds into the fight. You can't discredit Shogun for breaking his ribs. lol. I think Rampage deserves the shot more than Shogun right now, but is it Shogun's fault if Rampage turned down the title shot? The LHW division is on a downhill spread right now. It went from the best division in MMA to one of the worst. The only people who could really even be mentioned for a title shot that weren't in fights before shogun vs machida was announced was Shogun and Franklin. I think Shogun deserved it more than Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cake_fighter Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 He does NOT deserve a shot. Beating a dehydrated Coleman and losing to undertalented Griffin does not = title shot. I don't care what he did in Pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 He does NOT deserve a shot. Beating a dehydrated Coleman and losing to undertalented Griffin does not = title shot. I don't care what he did in Pride. thank you man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123bdog Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 He does NOT deserve a shot. Beating a dehydrated Coleman and losing to undertalented Griffin does not = title shot. I don't care what he did in Pride. I can accept that you think shogun doesn't deserve it but then who do you want to challenge machida? Its not like there are a lot of other contenders in line right now, since rampage wants to fight rashad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Rampage vs Rashad fight isn't until December. So you're saying you'd rather see Machida not step into the octagon for almost a year than fight a slightly weaker opponent. shogun>>>>>rampage and evans, seriously people are not giving shogun enough credit and riding machidas d!ck a bit to much, at this present time shogun is probably the best contender since Anderson and machida wont fight each other, i think there will be alot of shocked people after UFC 104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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