Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I only bring this up because a lot of people are saying he is a legend this and that, but seriously he has not shown greatness, he says he dosn't want to move up in weight class because of his legacy well all great fighters move up to really have a legacy, what GSP is doing is no different than what BJ and Hughes have done in the WW class and his victories are not that great in my opinion his a mini Brock Lesnar. I just think GSP has a lot more to prove before even thinking his the best P4P Win Thiago Alves Unanimous Decision UFC? 100 Jul-11-2009 5 5:00 Win BJ Penn TKO Stoppage (Referee) UFC? 94 ST-PIERRE VS PENN 2 Jan-31-2009 4 5:00 Win Jon Fitch Unanimous Decision UFC? 87 SEEK AND DESTROY Aug-9-2008 5 5:00 Win Matt Serra Technical Knock Out UFC? 83 Serra vs St-Pierre 2 Apr-19-2008 2 4:45 Win Matt Hughes Submission (Arm Lock) UFC? 79 NEMESIS Dec-29-2007 2 4:54 Win Josh Koscheck Unanimous Decision UFC? 74 RESPECT Aug-25-2007 3 5:00 Loss Matt Serra Technical Knock Out UFC? 69: SHOOTOUT Apr-7-2007 1 3:25 Win Matt Hughes Technical Knock Out UFC? 65: BAD INTENTIONS Nov-18-2006 2 1:25 Win BJ Penn Split Decision UFC? 58: USA vs. Canada Mar-4-2006 3 5:00 Win Sean Sherk Technical Knock Out UFC? 56: Full Force Nov-19-2005 2 2:53 Win Frank Trigg Submission (Other) UFC? 54: Boiling Point Aug-20-2005 1 4:09 Win Jason Miller Unanimous Decision UFC? 52: Couture vs. Liddell II Apr-16-2005 3 5:00 Loss Matt Hughes Submission (Other) UFC? 50: The War of 04 Oct-22-2004 1 4:59 Win Jay Hieron Technical Knock Out UFC? 48: Payback Jun-19-2004 1 1:45 Win Karo Parisyan Unanimous Decision UFC? 46: Super Natural Jan-31-2004 3 5:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatje Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Uhm by actually showing his fighting history in your post , you should be able to see for yourself why GSP is NOT overrated , just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Uhm by actually showing his fighting history in your post ' date=' you should be able to see for yourself why GSP is NOT overrated , just my 2 cents[/quote'] Thats a total of 4 cents now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedwithamind Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thats a total of 4 cents now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thats my point he is doing nothing special just because he dominated his WW and now he just sits there and doesn't want to move up to MW does not make him a legend every great fighter move up a weight class or go down a weight class at to be a legend look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kman747 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Why would he move up to middleweight? He still has challenges in WW. Just because he's one of the best doesn't mean he can't be beat. 10 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyosha24 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 saying he needs to move up in weight to become a legend is silly. remember anderson silva only recently moved up. had he not done that he still would have been considered one of the best if not the best ever. liddel and hughes never changed weight classes and liddel is in the HOF hughes will be too.and brock lesnar should not be mentioned in the same breath as gsp. they are lightyears apart in in their skills. and like zlatje pointed it out his fight history shows he is already a legend. and the fact that he is 14-2 in the ufc is ridiculous. hes 28 years old and hasnt peaked as a fighter he has the potential to go down as the greatest fighter of all time. the argument that someone needs to move up in weight classes to be a legend just needs to be laid to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSPisLEGEND Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 make tht 12 cents...lol you put all his fight history there. idk looks like he has beaten some pretty good ppl.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatje Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Do you actually pay attention when watching the fights? He takes down people at will , totally dominates highly decorated wrestlers at theyre own game , for a guy without a wrestling pedigree that seems pretty damn special to me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm not a GSP fan by any definition of the word but I have to disagree with you. The WW division is a very, very stacked division. GSP is one of the most well rounded fighters on the planet and even though I find him boring and his fans ignorant, he is a good fighter. I do think he's oversized for WW but also undersized for MW. Koshcheck, Hughes, Fitch and Alves are some pretty reputable names to beat. If people consider him better than Fedor or Anderson I'd say he's over rated, but he's definitely top 3, P4P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSPisLEGEND Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 damn i hate when ppl put FEDOR as the 2nd or 3rd best p4pr. HE is NOT.. i think hes good but look at who he has beat? i dnt think he has beaten too much great talent like gsp or silva or machida even... hell honestly i put lesnar over tht *** fedor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I guess you guys are right but i just think he needs to move up people were complaining about Silva though when he was at MW and he never fought Maia or other good fighters at MW and Dana moved him up to LHW i just think GSP should move up if he is easily beating these WW don't you agree the only fighter that gave him a little hard time was Alves and i would love to watch a rematch with those 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thats my point he is doing nothing special just because he dominated his WW and now he just sits there and doesn't want to move up to MW does not make him a legend every great fighter move up a weight class or go down a weight class at to be a legend look it up Where do you get your information that he doesnt want to move up. He is not a freelancer and has a boss just like most of us. If he showed an interest in moving to mw it would be discussed with Dana and a decision would be made. Currently he is the ww champion and has obligations plus unfinished business there. I believe he wants to erase Matt Hughes records and replace them with his own. There is also rumor he's packing on the weight as we speak. Dunno, we shall see, but overrated? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 damn i hate when ppl put FEDOR as the 2nd or 3rd best p4pr. HE is NOT.. i think hes good but look at who he has beat? i dnt think he has beaten too much great talent like gsp or silva or machida even... hell honestly i put lesnar over tht *** fedor. Thats crazy talk man FEDOR has beat AMAZING HW fighters!!! 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JujitsWho Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 damn i hate when ppl put FEDOR as the 2nd or 3rd best p4pr. HE is NOT.. i think hes good but look at who he has beat? i dnt think he has beaten too much great talent like gsp or silva or machida even... hell honestly i put lesnar over tht *** fedor. Are you kidding? Fedor has beat everyone they put in fron of him. Lets take a look N0G twice Heath Herring Babalu Randleman Coleman twice Cro-Cop Tim Sylvia Arlovski And he beat them while they were still in their prime. Fedor is a legit p4p contender. To say otherwise is just silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyosha24 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 they fight at these weight classes for a reason. and beating everyone in your weight class with ease should be a compliment. and i really believe the reason silva moved up is because he walks around at 220 lbs. or more and the older he gets it is getting harder on his body to cut the weight. freds right about gsp, he wants to go down as the greatest ww of all time. he isnt there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I was wrong to use the word OVERATED and i apologise he is not Overated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSPisLEGEND Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I was wrong to use the word OVERATED and i apologise he is not Overated. thank you.. lol im glad you say that now.. i never thot anyone TODAY would call gsp overated... except for arcaneknight.. he is a hater tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I was wrong to use the word OVERATED and i apologise he is not Overated. Huh? Someone appologised? Thats rare, and kudos for your honesty. Very refreshing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybrazilian1 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Uhm by actually showing his fighting history in your post ' date=' you should be able to see for yourself why GSP is NOT overrated , just my 2 cents[/quote'] +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leal47 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Well when im wrong i say it i guess im still sore about the Alves loss lol Im sorry and from now on i will research before speaking out my point of view!!! BUMP im Embarassed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurewelterweight63 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I only bring this up because a lot of people are saying he is a legend this and that' date=' but seriously he has not shown greatness, he says he dosn't want to move up in weight class because of his legacy well all great fighters move up to really have a legacy, what GSP is doing is no different than what BJ and Hughes have done in the WW class and his victories are not that great in my opinion his a mini Brock Lesnar. I just think GSP has a lot more to prove before even thinking his the best P4P Win Thiago Alves Unanimous Decision UFC? 100 Jul-11-2009 5 5:00 Win BJ Penn TKO Stoppage (Referee) UFC? 94 ST-PIERRE VS PENN 2 Jan-31-2009 4 5:00 Win Jon Fitch Unanimous Decision UFC? 87 SEEK AND DESTROY Aug-9-2008 5 5:00 Win Matt Serra Technical Knock Out UFC? 83 Serra vs St-Pierre 2 Apr-19-2008 2 4:45 Win Matt Hughes Submission (Arm Lock) UFC? 79 NEMESIS Dec-29-2007 2 4:54 Win Josh Koscheck Unanimous Decision UFC? 74 RESPECT Aug-25-2007 3 5:00 Loss Matt Serra Technical Knock Out UFC? 69: SHOOTOUT Apr-7-2007 1 3:25 Win Matt Hughes Technical Knock Out UFC? 65: BAD INTENTIONS Nov-18-2006 2 1:25 Win BJ Penn Split Decision UFC? 58: USA vs. Canada Mar-4-2006 3 5:00 Win Sean Sherk Technical Knock Out UFC? 56: Full Force Nov-19-2005 2 2:53 Win Frank Trigg Submission (Other) UFC? 54: Boiling Point Aug-20-2005 1 4:09 Win Jason Miller Unanimous Decision UFC? 52: Couture vs. Liddell II Apr-16-2005 3 5:00 Loss Matt Hughes Submission (Other) UFC? 50: The War of 04 Oct-22-2004 1 4:59 Win Jay Hieron Technical Knock Out UFC? 48: Payback Jun-19-2004 1 1:45 Win Karo Parisyan Unanimous Decision UFC? 46: Super Natural Jan-31-2004 3 5:00[/quote'] i think you are jealous, he has proved himself time and time again, he just has no real competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyosha24 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Well when im wrong i say it i guess im still sore about the Alves loss lol Im sorry and from now on i will research before speaking out my point of view!!! BUMP im Embarassed you dont have to embarassed just next time state what you are saying as an opinion and people wont be as harsh towards what you say. its perfectly fine to have an opinion and you can still think he is overrated if you like. i think machida is overrated and dont care if anyone takes an exception to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 damn i hate when ppl put FEDOR as the 2nd or 3rd best p4pr. HE is NOT.. i think hes good but look at who he has beat? i dnt think he has beaten too much great talent like gsp or silva or machida even... hell honestly i put lesnar over tht *** fedor. Nogieura x2 in his prime Cro Cop Heath Herring Matt Lindland Kazayuki Fujita Kevin Randleman Andrei Arlovski Babalu Coleman x2 Seriously the dude has beatn 6 MMA champs, 5 UFC champs, 2 gold medalists and held 5 titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guti Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 gsp is the best in ww i dont think anyone can argue that .. But he is overated when people think he can jump a bigger weight class and dominate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 this is a whole lotta cents I'll just go ahead and give you a dollar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 gsp is the best in ww i dont think anyone can argue that .. But he is overated when people think he can jump a bigger weight class and dominate... Yeah that's my biggest thing. I think he would lose to Anderson 9/10 times. I've even heard people say GSP can beat Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyosha24 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 i really dont think he could beat silva. but i think he would put up more of a fight than anyone silva has fought so far. this fight shouldnt happen it wouldnt prove anything. if silva won people would say it was because of the size advantage. and if gsp won people would say it was because he took him down and ground out a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Skill wise GSP would have a better chance but he's too small. I think nate and Dan have the better chances of beating him at than GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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