N0g needs to fight Mir again, before he can get a shot at the belt.

[The_Q]

he looked a lot better.....but come on.

beating a 46 yr old Couture does not make you a top contender for the belt.

 

he has to fight Mir again, maybe the loser of the Carwin/Lesnar fight as well....then a shot at the belt.

 

Mir dismantled him. The staph excuse can suck my well-

 

everyone says the Mir fight was an aberation. That N0g is still the better HW BJJ practitioner, that N0g is still a better striker.

 

Prove it. Past accomplishments get you a pat on the back, that's about it.

 

Fight Mir again. Fight someone relevant again.

then maybe a title shot.

[daweedy]

he looked a lot better.....but come on.

beating a 46 yr old Couture does not make you a top contender for the belt.

 

he has to fight Mir again' date=' maybe the loser of the Carwin/Lesnar fight as well....then a shot at the belt.

 

Mir dismantled him. The staph excuse can suck my well-endowed genit@lia.

 

everyone says the Mir fight was an aberation. That N0g is still the better HW BJJ practitioner, that N0g is still a better striker.

 

Prove it. Past accomplishments get you a pat on the back, that's about it.

 

Fight Mir again. Fight someone relevant again.

then maybe a title shot.[/quote']

 

He will probably fight the winner of Crocop/Dos Santos the winner of that getting the title shot

[Robban]

He will probably fight the winner of Crocop/Dos Santos the winner of that getting the title shot

 

I don't agree with this. First off, I think Cro Cop will win that fight, but lets say he wont. As far as I know, big n0g is training Dos Santos.. will he fight his student? naah :s

[daweedy]

I don't agree with this. First off' date=' I think Cro Cop will win that fight, but lets say he wont. As far as I know, big n0g is training Dos Santos.. will he fight his student? naah :s[/quote']

 

You are probably right about Junior, but I bealive if Crocop wins they will try to do the rematch with Nog at least thats what I think Crocop said.

[1fan4fun]

I'd like to see Minotauro avenge his loss to Mir. However, it's not that important to me. N0G looked great last night. Here's how I see the UFC HW top-ten picture after last night:

 

1) Brock Lesnar

2) Frank Mir

3) Minotauro Noguerra

4) Shane Carwin

5) Cain Velasquez

6) Randy Couture

6) Gabrielle Gonzaga

7) Cheik Kongo

8) Mirko Filopovic

9) Junior Dos Santos

10) Heath Herring

 

Anybody see much problem with this assessment? Sure you can mix it up a bit, but the principle top 5 feel about right to me. I sure am interested to see how Crocop deals with Dos Santos. Also very interested in Lesnar vs Carwin, Mir vs Kongo.

 

 

Did Velasquez get a replacement fight after being nerfed out of the Carwin fight?

[Amateur]

By no means do I hate him, but why is Mir #2, and Carwin/Valasquez under Nogueira? Makes no sense.

 

A great performance doesn't beat 4/5 strait wins.

[UFCITOLDUSO]

By no means do I hate him' date=' but why is Mir #2, and Carwin/Valasquez under Nogueira? Makes no sense.

 

A great performance doesn't beat 4/5 strait wins.[/quote']

 

A great performance against a legend and his list of who's who's that he's beat puts him above Carwin / Velasques who are very good but there is nothing in their careers yet to say they are Noguera good.

[1fan4fun]

I'd like to see Minotauro avenge his loss to Mir. However' date=' it's not that important to me. N0G looked great last night. Here's how I see the UFC HW top-ten picture after last night:

 

1) Brock Lesnar

2) Frank Mir

3) Minotauro Noguerra

4) Shane Carwin

5) Cain Velasquez

6) Randy Couture

6) Gabrielle Gonzaga

7) Cheik Kongo

8) Mirko Filopovic

9) Junior Dos Santos

10) Heath Herring

 

Anybody see much problem with this assessment? Sure you can mix it up a bit, but the principle top 5 feel about right to me. I sure am interested to see how Crocop deals with Dos Santos. Also very interested in Lesnar vs Carwin, Mir vs Kongo.

 

 

Did Velasquez get a replacement fight after being nerfed out of the Carwin fight?[/quote']

 

I know there's a hundred ways to construct a top 10. I like my first list, but it could easily look more like this: Haha i notice I made my first list a top 11 with two top 6 picks.

 

 

1) Lesnar

2) Carwin

3) Velasquez

4) Mir

5) Nogueria

6) Couture

7) Gonzaga

8) Crocop

9) Kongo

10) Dos Santos

[MEKfighter]

You are probably right about Junior' date=' but I bealive if Crocop wins they will try to do the rematch with Nog at least thats what I think Crocop said.[/quote']

 

That would be a HUGE fight. Would love to see that again. Heres hoping that Cro Cop wins... I do think that dos santos will though, we will see though.

 

I would like to see Nog avenge his loss to Mir though. He didnt look himself in that fight due to that infection he had. And come on man, that infection he had obviously had an effect on him, he looked terrible in that fight. Infact i cant recall Nog ever looking that bad in any of his fights. He looked completely rejuvinated against Randy - i dont care if Randy is 'past it' or not - im assessing Nog's performance, Nog's movement and speed, Nog's focus, Im assessing Nog lol, NOT RANDY.

 

Infact i would go as far to say that Nog is 3x the fighter that Mir is. AND past accomplishments DEFINETLY mean alot.. You cannot deny that .. come on.... its just stupid to think otherwise. Nog is still right at the top of the game. And IMO he will be HW champion again in the near future. Next time he fights Mir, he will be 100% and will dominate Mir. He is just a far better fighter than Mir IMO.

 

However his next fight wont be against Mir, that will possibly be later next year. If Nog wins his next fight, he gets a shot at the title. I can pretty much guarentee that. Id bet anything on it anyway lol. Nog isnt in my top5 fav fighters of all time... But i respect his ability a hell of alot. And most importantly, he has PROVED his ability over and over and over again. You cannot deny that. He still has it, and he will be back challenging for the title very soon.

[MEKfighter]

By no means do I hate him' date=' but why is Mir #2, and Carwin/Valasquez under Nogueira? Makes no sense.

 

A great performance doesn't beat 4/5 strait wins.[/quote']

 

It does, rankings actually depend alot on past victories and also whether the victories were over higher tier opponents. Carwin and Valesquez have a win each over decent top fighters. And Nog... ill just say he has a hell of alot of wins over world class MMA fighters.

[KJMahler]

I'd like to see Minotauro avenge his loss to Mir. However' date=' it's not that important to me. N0G looked great last night. Here's how I see the UFC HW top-ten picture after last night:

 

1) Brock Lesnar

2) Frank Mir

3) Minotauro Noguerra

4) Shane Carwin

5) Cain Velasquez

6) Randy Couture

6) Gabrielle Gonzaga

7) Cheik Kongo

8) Mirko Filopovic

9) Junior Dos Santos

10) Heath Herring

 

Anybody see much problem with this assessment? Sure you can mix it up a bit, but the principle top 5 feel about right to me. I sure am interested to see how Crocop deals with Dos Santos. Also very interested in Lesnar vs Carwin, Mir vs Kongo.

 

 

Did Velasquez get a replacement fight after being nerfed out of the Carwin fight?[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe Cain is going to be fighting Ben Rothwell instead.

[1fan4fun]

Thanks for that. I forgot about that Big Ben match up. Could be interesting. I gotta go with Cain though. Not sure where I'd rank Rothwell. He possibly deserves to fit in the top 10. Guess we can worry about that after his fight with Cain.

[Alpha_Omega]

he looked a lot better.....but come on.

beating a 46 yr old Couture does not make you a top contender for the belt.

 

he has to fight Mir again' date=' maybe the loser of the Carwin/Lesnar fight as well....then a shot at the belt.

 

Mir dismantled him. The staph excuse can suck my well-endowed genit@lia.

 

everyone says the Mir fight was an aberation. That N0g is still the better HW BJJ practitioner, that N0g is still a better striker.

 

Prove it. Past accomplishments get you a pat on the back, that's about it.

 

Fight Mir again. Fight someone relevant again.

then maybe a title shot.[/quote']

 

LOL Funny how when Brock fights Randy it's a well deserved, hard earned win to most people but when Nog does it, he's 46 yrs old and it doesn't count. At least Nog dominated without a 60lbs weight advantage.

 

LOL @ thinking a staph infection is a weak excuse. That makes your whole body weak then add that on top of the anti-biotics and the body is not in good shape.

 

Frank Mir is over rated. While I think he is very good, he pulled a submission out on Brock and beat an ill Nogueira and everyone thought he was the best HW in the world. We'll see ow great he is when his delusional **** tries to stand with Kongo because he beat down an ill Nog with no striking on the feet and thinks he's an imposing striker.

 

Nog would kill Mir on the ground, btw.

[1fan4fun]

Do you really think Mir will try to stand and bang with Kongo?

 

That doesn't sound like a good game plan for a BJJ black belt, with average boxing skills.

 

I think he will get the sub on Kongo. Interesting match.

[PABL0]

LOL Funny how when Brock fights Randy it's a well deserved' date=' hard earned win to most people but when Nog does it, he's 46 yrs old and it doesn't count. At least Nog dominated without a 60lbs weight advantage.

 

LOL @ thinking a staph infection is a weak excuse. That makes your whole body weak then add that on top of the anti-biotics and the body is not in good shape.

 

[/quote']

 

Well said...add 1 thing though...Nog was over 20 Lbs heavier (all flab) against Mir which caused him to be extremely slow! If he is in shape he will give any HW all they can handle.

[PABL0]

He will probably fight the winner of Crocop/Dos Santos the winner of that getting the title shot

 

He won't fight Dos Santos will he? Don't they train together some?

[Alpha_Omega]

Do you really think Mir will try to stand and bang with Kongo?

 

That doesn't sound like a good game plan for a BJJ black belt' date=' with average boxing skills.

 

I think he will get the sub on Kongo. Interesting match. [/quote']

 

That's what he said. He said he believes he has better hands and if he avoids his kicks and knees he'll win. LOL!!!! But then again, he also said he'd stand with Anderson Silva. sooo....

[The_Q]

LOL Funny how when Brock fights Randy it's a well deserved' date=' hard earned win to most people but when Nog does it, he's 46 yrs old and it doesn't count. [/quote']

i never said this.

 

LOL @ thinking a staph infection is a weak excuse. That makes your whole body weak then add that on top of the anti-biotics and the body is not in good shape.

whatever. The only ones to confirm that story was his camp. I assume they aren't lying about the staph....but wouldn't doubt there was some exageration about the extent and his hospital stay.

 

Frank Mir is over rated. While I think he is very good, he pulled a submission out on Brock and beat an ill Nogueira and everyone thought he was the best HW in the world.

he is among the top 5 or 7...

 

We'll see ow great he is when his delusional **** tries to stand with Kongo because he beat down an ill Nog with no striking on the feet and thinks he's an imposing striker.

he won't stand with him. Not for long. He'll feel it out, then take him down if Kongo starts banging on him. probably sub him at will.

 

Nog would kill Mir on the ground, btw.

prove it.

he has to prove it.

[Alpha_Omega]

whatever. The only ones to confirm that story was his camp. I assume they aren't lying about the staph....but wouldn't doubt there was some exageration about the extent and his hospital stay.

Of course you wouldn't doubt that you made a thread bashing Nogueira I wouldn't expect you to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

he is among the top 5 or 7...

Nogueira is the 2nd best HW of all time.

 

he won't stand with him. Not for long. He'll feel it out' date=' then take him down if Kongo starts banging on him. probably sub him at will.[/quote']

I'm sure he'll look for the takedown when he gets rocked but I'm just telling you what HE said.

 

prove it.

he has to prove it.

I believe Mir was scared to follow him to the ground. So Mir already proved it.

[MisterTrep]

he looked a lot better.....but come on.

beating a 46 yr old Couture does not make you a top contender for the belt.

 

Couture looked better than Mir in his fight against Lesnar.

Couture is an eternal underrated. I think Nogueira would crush Mir now.

not many fighters can survive 2 knockout punchs and 2 chokes like Nogueira did to Randy. put most HW fighters in Randy's shoes last night and this fight won't last 2 rounds.

[Rampageisabeast]

Big Nog doesn't have to prove sh** to no one. Look at the list he has defeated already. He was hurt during a fight, with a very overrated fighter and got owned. Who cares? He doesn't have to prove anything to Mir.

Mir should worry about Kongo. Kongo is fighting to stay in the UFC I bet, he'll come out with a vengeance. And I hope ****y **** Mir goes down in a heap. (Hamburger Hill part II).

[Amateur]

i never said this.

 

 

whatever. The only ones to confirm that story was his camp. I assume they aren't lying about the staph....but wouldn't doubt there was some exageration about the extent and his hospital stay.

 

he is among the top 5 or 7...

 

he won't stand with him. Not for long. He'll feel it out' date=' then take him down if Kongo starts banging on him. probably sub him at will.

 

prove it.

he has to prove it.[/quote']

 

Read on on staph infections before discrediting it. Nogueira doesn't make up excuses. A thorn Meniscus also hindered him to the point where he had to get it fixed after the fight with Mir.

 

A guy who hands out black belts in BJJ doesn't have to prove anything on the ground against Frank Mir. Randy Couture's ground game is leaps and bounds better than Mir's, and Nogueira Made the nicest sweep I've seen in quite some time.

 

If anything, Mir is the one with lots to prove.

[Alpha_Omega]

Read on on staph infections before discrediting it. Nogueira doesn't make up excuses. A thorn Meniscus also hindered him to the point where he had to get it fixed after the fight with Mir.

 

A guy who hands out black belts in BJJ doesn't have to prove anything on the ground against Frank Mir. Randy Couture's ground game is leaps and bounds better than Mir's' date=' and Nogueira Made the nicest sweep I've seen in quite some time.

 

If anything, Mir is the one with lots to prove.[/quote']

 

LMAO!!!! Brilliant.

 

Nogueira was ran over by a f***ing semi, got manhandled by Fedor and this dude thinks he would make an excuse for losing to Frank Mir. lol.

[The_Q]

Read on on staph infections before discrediting it. Nogueira doesn't make up excuses. A thorn Meniscus also hindered him to the point where he had to get it fixed after the fight with Mir.

they're fighters.

they are always nursing something or other.

 

A guy who hands out black belts in BJJ doesn't have to prove anything on the ground against Frank Mir. Randy Couture's ground game is leaps and bounds better than Mir's' date=' and Nogueira Made the nicest sweep I've seen in quite some time.

 

If anything, Mir is the one with lots to prove.[/quote']

 

MIR KICKED HIS F-ING @SS!

 

HELLO? MCFLY?!?!

 

listen to yourself.

 

 

 

this is why there needs to be an age requirement on this board.

[Alpha_Omega]

^ Mir backed out of his fight with Lesnar because he underwent knee surgery. Nogueira fought with staph infection and a very bad knee and had the balls to wait it out until after his fight because he's not a complainer.

 

Mir beat up a sick man. Watch out now!!! Next he'll be beating up parcinsons diseased Ali and proclaim himself as the best boxer in the world.

[joshness]

^ Mir backed out of his fight with Lesnar because he underwent knee surgery. Nogueira fought with staph infection and a very bad knee and had the balls to wait it out until after his fight because he's not a complainer.

 

Mir beat up a sick man. Watch out now!!! Next he'll be beating up parcinsons diseased Ali and proclaim himself as the best boxer in the world.

 

+1

 

Discussion over, Alpha just killed it.

[The_Q]

^ Mir backed out of his fight with Lesnar because he underwent knee surgery. Nogueira fought with staph infection and a very bad knee and had the balls to wait it out until after his fight because he's not a complainer.

no' date=' he's an idiot.

if his infection and knee (meniscus tear) was as bad as he claimed.....he was an idiot.

he got destroyed and put his career in jepeordy.

that's not being a hero toughguy...that's being retarded.

 

Mir beat up a sick man. Watch out now!!! Next he'll be beating up parcinsons diseased Ali and proclaim himself as the best boxer in the world.

the only person you will impress with that ridiculous statement is a teenager with equally low mental standards.

 

 

obviously you hate Mir and love N0g, so this will go nowhere.

i like both fighters plenty....just think N0g needs to fight someone relevent before he gets a shot at the belt. A rematch with Mir would fit that bill.

i would expect the same for Mir if the tables were reversed.

[The_Q]

+1

 

Discussion over' date=' Alpha just killed it.[/quote']

 

hey look! it's that mentally challenged teenager i was talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

yeah. it's over cause YOU say so.

okay, chief.

[coop3r1]

he looked a lot better.....but come on.

beating a 46 yr old Couture does not make you a top contender for the belt.

 

he has to fight Mir again' date=' maybe the loser of the Carwin/Lesnar fight as well....then a shot at the belt.

 

Mir dismantled him. The staph excuse can suck my well-

 

everyone says the Mir fight was an aberation. That N0g is still the better HW BJJ practitioner, that N0g is still a better striker.

 

Prove it. Past accomplishments get you a pat on the back, that's about it.

 

Fight Mir again. Fight someone relevant again.

then maybe a title shot.[/quote']

 

i'd like to see the nog from saturday night fight mir...i think the outcome could be different..even though mir's standup looked really good when he fought nog.

[Amateur]

i'd like to see the nog from saturday night fight mir...i think the outcome could be different..even though mir's standup looked really good when he fought nog.

 

And it looked really stupid against Lesnar.

 

Not sure what you are looking for Q. Mir did not reinvent himself, and Lesnar showed that. He got dominated in his first fight and looked like a total fool in the second. You'd think that he would have learned from the prior experience, but he didn't.

 

I really hope you get what you asked for, I'd love to see Mir tap out to Nogueira.

[BlackSanta]

no' date=' he's an idiot.

if his infection and knee (meniscus tear) was as bad as he claimed.....he was an idiot.

he got destroyed and put his career in jepeordy.

that's not being a hero toughguy...that's being retarded.

 

 

the only person you will impress with that ridiculous statement is a teenager with equally low mental standards.

 

 

obviously you hate Mir and love N0g, so this will go nowhere.

i like both fighters plenty....just think N0g needs to fight someone relevent before he gets a shot at the belt. A rematch with Mir would fit that bill.

i would expect the same for Mir if the tables were reversed.[/quote']

 

Randy wasnt a relevent fighter? are you kidding. Mir isnt even a contender why should Minatauro have to fight him. Mir looked awful in the Lesnar fight and he beat a sick and weak Noguiera. I dont even understand your logic here. You strike me as one of the fans who has nothing better to do but complain after every single ppv. You need to chill, relax, learn the effing sport before you post....and please stop making your ridiculous statements. Its almost as if you are a "teenager with equally low mental standards"

[Alpha_Omega]

LOL @ Mir's standup looked really stupid against Lesnar when he was eating Brock up on the feet and even Brock admitted he was rocked.

 

no' date=' he's an idiot.

if his infection and knee (meniscus tear) was as bad as he claimed.....he was an idiot.

he got destroyed and put his career in jepeordy.

that's not being a hero toughguy...that's being retarded.[/quote']

Maybe he was an idiot for stepping into the fight. He said he wanted to set an example for all of the people he trains. He says if he can walk, he can fight.

 

 

the only person you will impress with that ridiculous statement is a teenager with equally low mental standards.

Kind of like the only people you're going to impress with your argument of a dude who submits and hands out black belts needs to prove something to Frank Mir.

 

 

obviously you hate Mir and love N0g' date=' so this will go nowhere.

i like both fighters plenty....just think N0g needs to fight someone relevent before he gets a shot at the belt. A rematch with Mir would fit that bill.

i would expect the same for Mir if the tables were reversed.[/quote']

 

LMFAO!!!! I don't hate Mir at all, I actually like him. You obviously hate Nog. I hate when people say "I like this guy" and have nothing but bad things to say about him. You've been discrediting him this entire thread. If you liked him you'd have at least 1 good thing to say about him.

 

I laugh at you saying Nogueira needs to beat somebody relevant but you're probably a Brock Lesnar fan considering you tried to say Mir's stand up looked bad against Brock. Nog has beaten a career worth of relevance and doesn't need to prove anything to a keyboard warrior.

 

Though I agree I want to see a rematch because I'm a firm believer of the 2 fight minimum before a title shot. Mir would get submitted.

[gtp]

I know there's a hundred ways to construct a top 10. I like my first list' date=' but it could easily look more like this: Haha i notice I made my first list a top 11 with two top 6 picks.

 

 

1) Lesnar

2) Carwin

3) Velasquez

4) Mir

5) Nogueria

6) Couture

7) Gonzaga

8) Crocop

9) Kongo

10) Dos Santos[/quote']

 

I agree with this mostly, think 9 & 10 could switch though. The rest is right on.