Gojyo Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Don't get me wrong, i like Jardine and love to see him fight, but after watching 102, a lot of questions start to form in my mind. Does he have top fights left in him? I mean, Thiago is good and all, but i thought of Jardine more as a veteran. I expected the fight to go more like the Couture fight. But he gets knocked out, yet again. So, is he hard on his way to take a seat next to Lidell? Also this fight, a comment got me thinking, about being a chimp. How much skill is there in this offbeat timing? Is it really actually on purpose? Cus this fight i thought he actually looked more like a chimp than a fighter. So what do you think? Does he have fights left in him, or will he keep getting knocked out more and more easy? What do you think about his style? I hate to say it, but if he doesn't get a solid win soon, he'd best move from doing cameo's in movie's to doing full movie's to make his cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeaRz Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Well, imo, he's still in. Thiago Silva is just awesome. Jardine is only fighting top fighters and, well, he often gets KO'd in the beginning of the first round. I'd give him a rematch against Forrest next. That'd be the most important bout of both fighters, because the loser would be clearly out, and the winner would be back in the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jardine is the top 10 guy in the division. But it just so happens he'll never be a top 3 guy. Not everybody can be a champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamfather Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Well' date=' imo, he's still in. Thiago Silva is just awesome. Jardine is only fighting top fighters and, well, he often gets KO'd in the beginning of the first round. I'd give him a rematch against Forrest next. That'd be the most important bout of both fighters, because the loser would be clearly out, and the winner would be back in the top.[/quote'] Jardine Vs. Griffin rematch, great idea for the fans but commercially disasterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam72 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Everyone who fights Jardine knows he can be caught cold early on so will throw a few heavy shots Jardine v Hamill would be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 He'll always be a good gatekeeper for the division. I think that if Jardine won on Saturday, he would have been a fight away from a title shot, but after the brutality of the KO, I don't think he'll ever be able to compete for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickBox92 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i never saw jardine as a top 10 guy, he cant seem to string together wins, his form is just retarded, and for him to say hes in his prime and then get KO'd that quickly in the match, is really saying something about his place in the ufc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 .... Yeah, I would say its over for the Dean ... 14-6 w/42% KO record & 2 subs, losses to Thiago & Wanderlai, Houston Alexander, The American Psycho, Rampage & ko'd by Travis Wiuff ..... his herky-jerky awkward style is easy to time & he's wide open for left-hooks & uppercuts ...& he has no ground game . No doubt DW will continue to capitalize on his name as a test-gauge for up & comers ...... "hit the road toad" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCmmaOorah Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Keith is still a tough guy.. remember what ramapge said " i will call him sardine, no more" He respects him as a fighter. Jardine is known to get KO'd in the first round. Nothing new. We'll really know if he's done for, if he loses in his next bout. That would be 3 in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valle Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 imo jardine looked ok against thiago during the stand-up...but he was dangerously wide open and has a bad chin...but we all know this before, so nothing new jardines future is a gatekeeper-status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hella Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 as a fan i like seein the mean 1 fight,i dont think hes done as of yet,hes just not title shot status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWW Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 He is gatekeeper defined. Hopefully he will stay around. past Houston Alexander, the rest are some pretty elite fighters he's losing to. Loss Thiago Silva Knock Out UFC? 102 Loss Quinton Jackson Unanimous Decision UFC? 96 Win Brandon Vera Split Decision UFC? 89 Loss Wanderlei Silva Knock Out UFC? 84 Win Chuck Liddell Split Decision UFC? 76 Loss Houston Alexander Technical Knock Out UFC? 71 Win Forrest Griffin Technical Knock Out UFC? 66 Win Wilson Gouveia Unanimous Decision The Ultimate Fighter? 3 Finale Loss Stephan Bonnar Unanimous Decision UFC? Fight Night? 4 Win Mike Whitehead Unanimous Decision UFC? 57 Win Kerry Schall Technical Knock Out The Ultimate Fighter? 2 Finale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 he has no ground game are you kidding? He trains with Greg Jackson and if you look at the fighters in that camp they are the most well rounded fighters in the sport. They do not stand out in any one discipline but are very well rounded in 4-5 of them. They have an extensive ground fighting program, Keith also has fought in Pancrase... and just coz most of his fights are stand up fights doesnt mean he has no ground game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdcan1406050570 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 He is gatekeeper defined. Hopefully he will stay around. past Houston Alexander' date=' the rest are some pretty elite fighters he's losing to. Loss Thiago Silva Knock Out UFC? 102 Loss Quinton Jackson Unanimous Decision UFC? 96 Win Brandon Vera Split Decision UFC? 89 Loss Wanderlei Silva Knock Out UFC? 84 Win Chuck Liddell Split Decision UFC? 76 Loss Houston Alexander Technical Knock Out UFC? 71 Win Forrest Griffin Technical Knock Out UFC? 66 Win Wilson Gouveia Unanimous Decision The Ultimate Fighter? 3 Finale Loss Stephan Bonnar Unanimous Decision UFC? Fight Night? 4 Win Mike Whitehead Unanimous Decision UFC? 57 Win Kerry Schall Technical Knock Out The Ultimate Fighter? 2 Finale[/quote'] He either gets knocked out quickly or he's in very exciting fights. I think he'll be around for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop3r1 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jardine isn't done...he's still got a few fights left in him..silva couldn't hold him down..he just got caught..it happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wing_chun Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yep i hold Jardine as a gatekeeper as do many others here, couldn't help but feel sorry for him after the fight, he really is one of the nice guys in mma. Plus all that hard work and preparation for it to end in a minute and a half, damn, still longer than 7 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_jamaican_lady Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I hope he is not done...he is one of my favorites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdcan1406050570 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Ya, it's a shame that you can't train 'chin'. It has to be frustrating to be able to match up with anyone for sheer toughness and be quite skilled, but not have a jaw to go with it. I wouldn't say that it's glass, but it's not iron. He needs an implant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jardine is inconsistant and is forever destined to be a middle-of-the-road fighter. As others noted, he can't string wins together, his chin is suspect, and his unorthodox style is easily exploited. Machida would do to Jardine, what Silva did to Forrest. Love the guy, he's the Dean of Mean, but realistically I don't see a glorified future for him in MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 are you kidding? He trains with Greg Jackson and if you look at the fighters in that camp they are the most well rounded fighters in the sport. They do not stand out in any one discipline but are very well rounded in 4-5 of them. They have an extensive ground fighting program' date=' Keith also has fought in Pancrase... and just coz most of his fights are stand up fights doesnt mean he has no ground game.[/quote'] .... Jardine has shown absolutely no ground game in the UFC .... he has 2 subs on his record in 2004 & 2001 .... 42% ko-rec, he's not a big puncher either .... this dude is toast & DW is gonna use his name ... live w/ it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop3r1 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I hope he is not done...he is one of my favorites! same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 .... Jardine has shown absolutely no ground game in the UFC just proves that he likes to keep the fight standing, doesn't mean he has no ground game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop3r1 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 just proves that he likes to keep the fight standing' date=' doesn't mean he has no ground game.[/quote'] 1+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I can't imagine that Jardine is done but I still don't see him ever getting to the elite status that he wants, not even sure if we will ever see him have a title shot in his career. http://bumpyknuckle.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billytk Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't mind Jardine but I can't get a handle on him he gets KTFO by wanderlei ok that's understandable but he also gets destroyed by Houston then gets KTFO by Silva which started with basicly a jab, but he manages to go the distance with Rampage without having his lights turned out. How the H@$L does that work was it a fluke or is Rampage's power really over rated?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdcan1406050570 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't mind Jardine but I can't get a handle on him he gets KTFO by wanderlei ok that's understandable but he also gets destroyed by Houston then gets KTFO by Silva which started with basicly a jab' date=' but he manages to go the distance with Rampage without having his lights turned out. How the H@$L does that work was it a fluke or is Rampage's power really over rated??[/quote'] I don't think Rampages power is over-rated at all. He just didn't land anything completely square on him. Jardine was wobbled in that fight though. Forrest also survived, and beat Rampage, but also because he wasn't hit squarely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't mind Jardine but I can't get a handle on him he gets KTFO by wanderlei ok that's understandable but he also gets destroyed by Houston then gets KTFO by Silva which started with basicly a jab' date=' but he manages to go the distance with Rampage without having his lights turned out. How the H@$L does that work was it a fluke or is Rampage's power really over rated??[/quote'] ... You are correct about the jab hurting him, I've always maintained that the Dean has a weak chin, if you observe his reaction in the fights where he was KO'd .... he does not really wobble after getting tagged .... he crumbles .... his knee's collapse .... check the "Jardine vs. Thiago" thread for various opinions .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't think Rampages power is over-rated at all. He just didn't land anything completely square on him. Jardine was wobbled in that fight though. Forrest also survived' date=' and beat Rampage, but also because he wasn't hit squarely.[/quote'] This. Also Jardine seems more vulnerable to Muay Thai clinch fighters than big punches. Two Brazilians who define it (W. Silva and T. Silva) and certainly one of the most powerful inside strikers in Alexander show this. Rampage's post-fight interview about him not following his strategy of rushing him like a dog is basically a blueprint on how to take Jardine out. If you stay on the outside and try to trade with him (ala Liddell) he'll just out point you all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatMyElbow Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jardine is not UFC standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybrazilian1 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 hell come back and beat a top 10 fighter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calabretta_GSP Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i thikn jardine's done because of his glass jaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i thikn jardine's done because of his glass jaw .... Bammm ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiserxx Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Don't get me wrong' date=' i like Jardine and love to see him fight, but after watching 102, a lot of questions start to form in my mind. Does he have top fights left in him? I mean, Thiago is good and all, but i thought of Jardine more as a veteran. I expected the fight to go more like the Couture fight. But he gets knocked out, yet again. So, is he hard on his way to take a seat next to Lidell? Also this fight, a comment got me thinking, about being a chimp. How much skill is there in this offbeat timing? Is it really actually on purpose? Cus this fight i thought he actually looked more like a chimp than a fighter. [/quote'] No he is not done but he has been making alot of movies lately. he is in the new movie "gamer' he is in the movie trailer they were showing on tv too during ufc 102 ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDawgz Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Jardine was done long time ago when he fought Houston Alexander. He is NOT a top 10 lightheavy weight, was never, and will never be. UFC gave him too many chances, and he failed alot. Top 10 fighters don't get knocked out by unknowns and everybody he fights. His only notable win was with Chuck and CHuck was done long time ago. But I would love to see a fight between Jardine and Forrest. Two overrated fighters. Both should be out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJBJJ Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I dont like jardine. he was done after he lost the reality TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJBJJ Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Jardine was done long time ago when he fought Houston Alexander. He is NOT a top 10 lightheavy weight' date=' was never, and will never be. UFC gave him too many chances, and he failed alot. Top 10 fighters don't get knocked out by unknowns and everybody he fights. His only notable win was with Chuck and CHuck was done long time ago. But I would love to see a fight between Jardine and Forrest. Two overrated fighters. Both should be out soon.[/quote'] hmmmm. agreed 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStandard Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 jardine is what he is. im not goin to be disrespectful, but as ive seen a few people say. not everyone can be a champ. this doesnt mean he cant keep fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manho Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I dont like jardine.he was done after he lost the reality TV show. Didn't you a post a thread not so long ago that Jardine, along with Bonnar and Forrest , will be in the UFC Hall of Fame?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighterangel92 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Jardine was KOd in less than 2 minutes of the very first round.... He sucks! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevolution Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I thought Jardine came out looking really good, aggressive, fast and thought he might just give Silva trouble. The cameraman/shot gave of the knock down didnt really convince me that the shot Silva had taken was that purposful and more him just swinging??!?! I love to follow these fighters because theyre both so good and really did think it would be more even than it turned out to be ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ... Jardine, ...Liddell, ... Gump, ........... are " Tomato Cans " ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade7 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I see Jardine more as a gatekeeper fighter now at 205 than someone who is ever going to challenge for the title. But there's no reason he won't be around for a while having some interesting fights in the octagon; I just think people need to have realistic expectations of how far he will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Its too bad but yea, I don't see Jardine ever really getting to the next level in that division, and with few places to go. It does seem however that anybody that wants a title shot has to go through Jardine first! http://bumpyknuckle.com/2009/08/31/bumpyknuckle-com-forums-giveaway/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanContogiannis Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 The Dean Of Mean is still in it to stay on top but will need to spend a lot more time re-working his training/technique and will need to definitely win his next fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex_Kwon_Do Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Jardine Vs. Griffin rematch' date=' great idea for the fans but commercially disasterous.[/quote'] I would rather see him fight Bonnar in a elimination bout, especially since he got jobbed the first time...maybe Luis Cane prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiserxx Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2648082688/tt1034032 jardine in gamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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