freedom Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 http://fightmarks.com/story.php?title=frank-mir-slams-joe-roganrsquos-pro-nog-ufc-102-commentating-tells-fedor-to-quit-and-go-home Frank Mir thinks Fedor should quit if he feels he has nothing to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Why? Just because he doesn't want to prove anything doesn't mean he should quit. He likes to fight. Randy, Wanderlei and Noguiera have nothing more to prove. They still fight. Never in my life have I seen so many fighters themselves complain about a guy not wanting to come to the UFC. If Frank Mir wants to fight him he can always meet him outside the octagon. Because it seems to me that everybody else wants to prove something by fighting Fedor, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbarvictim Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I hope Frank Mir comes back stronger than ever, like most do after a devastating loss.....but he needs to stop talking so much and just hit the gym. That being said, he is still a premier HW in the UFC. The guy can break bones with ease. As for his comments on Lesnar, he took it like a man and broke it down correctly. He learned. His comments on Forrest I completely agree with. There is nothing embarrassing about fighting one of the best fighters in the world. It definitely shows that you have more balls than most...... and he pretty much just called Fedor a ***** without saying it. I usually agree with Mir he's always honest and well spoken...... but that's just it....no more talking. Just hit the gym and mop the floor with Kongo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbarvictim Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Why? Just because he doesn't want to prove anything doesn't mean he should quit. He likes to fight. Randy' date=' Wanderlei and Noguiera have nothing more to prove. They still fight. Never in my life have I seen so many fighters themselves complain about a guy not wanting to come to the UFC. If Frank Mir wants to fight him he can always meet him outside the octagon. Because it seems to me that everybody else wants to prove something by fighting Fedor, not the other way around.[/quote'] Yes, but they aren't announcing themselves as the best in the world. And they don't state themselves that they have nothing to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Yes' date=' but they aren't announcing themselves as the best in the world. And they don't state themselves that they have nothing to prove.[/quote'] Fedor has never announced himself as the best in the world, everyone else did. He's never stated it like "I dont have nothing to prove because I'm the best" he just states that he doesn't care about proving anything. He just wants to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishbomb Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I dont agree i think Frank is 100% correct he is honest and straight up about his comments, he is being asked questions about Fedor he isnt running his mouth about him he is simply answering the questions honestly and not bulls****ing his way out off it. He ant saying he could beat fedor but unless he moves to the ufc and fights the best fighters in the world i think he is going to be open to criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 http://fightmarks.com/story.php?title=frank-mir-slams-joe-roganrsquos-pro-nog-ufc-102-commentating-tells-fedor-to-quit-and-go-home Frank Mir thinks Fedor should quit if he feels he has nothing to prove. Except that Fedor is about to fight 3 HWs who are all better than Mir. Ah, the irony. Frank Mir is a reject. He used to talk like this back in the day, and is the reason I never liked the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ^ I don't know if Rogers is better than Mir (skill wise) to be honest. But at the same time, he presents more of threat to Fedor style wise. But I'm inclined to agree with Werdum and Overeem being better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 forget about fedor the overatted chunky bas**rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybrazilian1 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i agree with frank... not 100% not most of what he said makes sence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockObama Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I wanted to disagree with Mir, but after listening, he raises some good points. I still don't think his win over N0g was all about him being the better fighter though. Excuses or no, it's hard not to notice how much better N0g's boxing was against Randy than when he fought Mir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ^ I don't know if Rogers is better than Mir (skill wise) to be honest. But at the same time' date=' he presents more of threat to Fedor style wise. But I'm inclined to agree with Werdum and Overeem being better.[/quote'] Frank Mir hasn't shown me anything impressive except his win over Lesnar. His win over Nogueira was obviously based on other circumstances, he got ruined by Lesnar in their second fight....a win over a terrible Hardonk, and loss to Brandon Vera. Combined with the fact that his only other notable win was against Tim Sylvia (whom ironically everyone declares as unacceptable competition), Mir stinks. I've never understood how he's been ranked so high. Rogers has a lot to prove still, but I hold firmly that Brett Rogers would murder Frank Mir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I wanted to disagree with Mir' date=' but after listening, he raises some good points. I still don't think his win over N0g was all about him being the better fighter though. Excuses or no, it's hard not to notice how much better N0g's boxing was against Randy than when he fought Mir.[/quote'] I've seen every Minotauro fight from start to finish since Pride, and the fight against Mir was the only time I've ever seen him remotely close to that state physically and mentally. It was an entirely different N0g, so different, that it is obvious he should not have been fighting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ^ You make some very legit points. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ^ You make some very legit points. I can live with that. Now I agree, Mir has sicko HW sub skills - and he's shown flashes of it - but nothing consistant enough for me to place him in the top 5 HWs, ever in his career. He could do to Rogers, what he did to Brock, but I don't see that myself. Frank Mir has always been tops on my fighters I dislike list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Frank Mir hasn't shown me anything impressive except his win over Lesnar. His win over Nogueira was obviously based on other circumstances' date=' he got ruined by Lesnar in their second fight....a win over a terrible Hardonk, and loss to Brandon Vera. Combined with the fact that his only other notable win was against Tim Sylvia (whom ironically everyone declares as unacceptable competition), Mir stinks. I've never understood how he's been ranked so high. Rogers has a lot to prove still, but I hold firmly that Brett Rogers would murder Frank Mir. [/quote'] OMG, agreed. To the fullest extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbarvictim Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I've seen every Minotauro fight from start to finish since Pride' date=' and the fight against Mir was the only time I've ever seen him remotely close to that state physically and mentally. It was an entirely different N0g, so different, that it is obvious he should not have been fighting at all.[/quote'] I gotta say I disagree with alot of the posts here about Mir. Mind you I am biased because I in fact am one of his few remaining fans. I have to agree with this though, Big Nog looked gassed before the fight even started. It wasn't the same Minotauro at all. I would love to see a rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I gotta say I disagree with alot of the posts here about Mir. Mind you I am biased because I in fact am one of his few remaining fans. I have to agree with this though' date=' Big Nog looked gassed before the fight even started. It wasn't the same Minotauro at all. I would love to see a rematch.[/quote'] You like Mir? I don't even know you.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I gotta say I disagree with alot of the posts here about Mir. Mind you I am biased because I in fact am one of his few remaining fans. I have to agree with this though' date=' Big Nog looked gassed before the fight even started. It wasn't the same Minotauro at all. I would love to see a rematch.[/quote'] I will concede that Mir showed some amazing determination in coming back from an atrocious motorcycle accident. Not a lot of people can do that. That's about the only thing I give him credit for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I will concede that Mir showed some amazing determination in coming back from an atrocious motorcycle accident. Not a lot of people can do that. That's about the only thing I give him credit for though. and he snapped Timaaahs arm! that was the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 and he snapped Timaaahs arm! that was the best! Who doesn't enjoy seeing Tim Sylvia get mangled? Good point. Still not enough for me to put Mir in Top 5 HWs, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbond Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Mir should worry about how he'll get through Kongo, I bet he takes the fight lightly and gets KO'd via GnP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Mir should worry about how he'll get through Kongo' date=' I bet he takes the fight lightly and gets KO'd via GnP.[/quote'] I wouldn't bet against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbond Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I wouldn't bet against it. Honestly I think he'll get KO'd at first I was like ya, Mir just has to get him down. But now I'm thinking Mir will come in thinking he's the **** like he does in every fight and try to box with Kongo, get rocked, then desperately try to get Kongo down while eating knees until Kongo is on top of him pounding him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Honestly I think he'll get KO'd at first I was like ya' date=' Mir just has to get him down. But now I'm thinking Mir will come in thinking he's the **** like he does in every fight and try to box with Kongo, get rocked, then desperately try to get Kongo down while eating knees until Kongo is on top of him pounding him out.[/quote'] I agree with you, though I think Mir will not win even if he takes Kongo seriously. His takedown offense is very bad and Kongo will just murder him on the feet. Also I bealieve we are going to see much improved Kongo after that Cain fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbond Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with you' date=' though I think Mir will not win even if he takes Kongo seriously. His takedown offense is very bad and Kongo will just murder him on the feet. Also I bealieve we are going to see much improved Kongo after that Cain fight[/quote'] i mean if he actaully looks himself in the mirror and says "Frank you need to get real about your skills, the only way you will beat Kongo is by getting him to the ground." and then trains his **** off in take downs, then he MIGHT win. But instead he'll look at himself and say "Damn I'm so hot and SOOOOOO good at fighting, I mean sh!t I beat Nog!" and then he will proceed to get his **** beat once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i mean if he actaully looks himself in the mirror and says "Frank you need to get real about your skills' date=' the only way you will beat Kongo is by getting him to the ground." and then trains his **** off in take downs, then he MIGHT win. But instead he'll look at himself and say "Damn I'm so hot and SOOOOOO good at fighting, I mean sh!t I beat Nog!" and then he will proceed to get his **** beat once again.[/quote'] LMAO....I can see him in the mirror right now, talking to himself. Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milleboss Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 people are very quick to point out the state of Nog in his match against Mir, but what sort of shape was Mir in, in his 3-4 fights after coming back from his injury, he wasnt the same as before.... I have nothing against Mir, but i think he deserves some respect, he has some very sharp bjj skills for a heavyweight and quite crisp striking... stop hating people!!! A nd why shouldnt he be entitled to his own opinions when asked questions about Fedor??? Its not like he is saying he would kick his ****... Just my two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbarvictim Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 You like Mir? I don't even know you.....lol That hurts man...lol... I will concede that Mir showed some amazing determination in coming back from an atrocious motorcycle accident. Not a lot of people can do that. That's about the only thing I give him credit for though. True, not a lot of people would have come back from that. However, the fact remains that he has given us some of the best highlights ever. Whether it be the snapping of Tim's arm and crushing of his nose on Vera's knee.......lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbarvictim Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 people are very quick to point out the state of Nog in his match against Mir' date=' but what sort of shape was Mir in, in his 3-4 fights after coming back from his injury, he wasnt the same as before.... I have nothing against Mir, but i think he deserves some respect, he has some very sharp bjj skills for a heavyweight and quite crisp striking... stop hating people!!! A nd why shouldnt he be entitled to his own opinions when asked questions about Fedor??? Its not like he is saying he would kick his ****... Just my two cents[/quote'] +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiserxx Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Frank mir is the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Frank mir is the man I can't even begin to explain how far away from being the man Frank Mir really is. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i mean if he actaully looks himself in the mirror and says "Frank you need to get real about your skills' date=' the only way you will beat Kongo is by getting him to the ground." and then trains his **** off in take downs, then he MIGHT win. But instead he'll look at himself and say "Damn I'm so hot and SOOOOOO good at fighting, I mean sh!t I beat Nog!" and then he will proceed to get his **** beat once again.[/quote'] Lol I agree:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbeast41 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hahaha... boy, for a guy that just got pounded into dust he sure thinks alot of himself, doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BType13x2 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hahaha... boy' date=' for a guy that just got pounded into dust he sure thinks alot of himself, doesn't he?[/quote'] That's the reason why I can't take anything Frank Mir says seriously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFMRE Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I actually agreed with Mir in pretty much everything he said. It is nice to see a fighter who is able to intelligently answer questions in front of the camera. He wasn't being ****y in the video. He actually manned up to being beat by Lesnar and is working on improving. What more can you ask from the guy. I also think that he will submit Kongo in his upcoming fight. If Kongo's last fight showed us anything it was that he is one of the worst fighters on the ground in the UFC. That would make Mir a horrible match-up for Kongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foodrox Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I totally agree. Mir often comes off arrogant and slightly ****y, but he makes a valid point when he says, "Everyone should wake up in the morning with something to prove." If Fedor ever wants to be the best fighter in the world and not just the best fighter in Strikeforce then he has to fight in the UFC period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I totally agree. Mir often comes off arrogant and slightly ****y' date=' but he makes a valid point when he says, "Everyone should wake up in the morning with something to prove." If Fedor ever wants to be the best fighter in the world and not [u']just[/u] the best fighter in Strikeforce then he has to fight in the UFC period. He would, but your fearless leader and his ego won't allow cross-promotion, something standard in all other combat sports. That aside, I disagree with Mir's righteous attitude that everyone should have something to prove when they wake up. If everyone had something to prove, the world would collapse into anarchy. If he was talking simply about proving to "yourself", that's a different story - somehow, I don't think Mir meant this though. Frank Mir is clownshoes, always was, always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares9139 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Frank Mir confuses me, sometimes he can be the classiest guy in the world and other times he can just be a **** little ****. Really annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 people are very quick to point out the state of Nog in his match against Mir' date=' but what sort of shape was Mir in, in his 3-4 fights after coming back from his injury, he wasnt the same as before.... I have nothing against Mir, but i think he deserves some respect, he has some very sharp bjj skills for a heavyweight and quite crisp striking... stop hating people!!! A nd why shouldnt he be entitled to his own opinions when asked questions about Fedor??? Its not like he is saying he would kick his ****... Just my two cents[/quote'] You're correct in saying Mir is entitled to his opinion on Fedor. Just as I'm entitled to my opinion on Frank Mir. The difference being that Mir gets paid to fight and talk MMA, whereas I don't get paid to post on UFC.com. I would never define Mir's striking as 'crisp' on a good day, or even under the influence of random pharmaceuticals. You better hope you don't think Mir would beat Fedor....lol j/k man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ^ I don't know if Rogers is better than Mir (skill wise) to be honest. But at the same time' date=' he presents more of threat to Fedor style wise. But I'm inclined to agree with Werdum and Overeem being better.[/quote'] Rogers and Werdum aint better than Mir imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I actually agreed with Mir in pretty much everything he said. It is nice to see a fighter who is able to intelligently answer questions in front of the camera. He wasn't being ****y in the video. He actually manned up to being beat by Lesnar and is working on improving. What more can you ask from the guy. I also think that he will submit Kongo in his upcoming fight. If Kongo's last fight showed us anything it was that he is one of the worst fighters on the ground in the UFC. That would make Mir a horrible match-up for Kongo. I agree with everything you said. Mir wasn't being ****y but answered a ? intelligently. He will submit kongo bc kongo's ground game is pathetic. Theirs no shame losing to Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbond Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with everything you said. Mir wasn't being ****y but answered a ? intelligently. He will submit kongo bc kongo's ground game is pathetic. Theirs no shame losing to Brock. Good luck to Mir trying to get Kongo on the ground, Mir's take down offense is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 He would' date=' but your fearless leader and his ego won't allow cross-promotion, something standard in all other combat sports. That aside, I disagree with Mir's righteous attitude that everyone should have something to prove when they wake up. If everyone had something to prove, the world would collapse into anarchy. If he was talking simply about proving to "yourself", that's a different story - somehow, I don't think Mir meant this though. Frank Mir is clownshoes, always was, always will be.[/quote'] Lol do not take this personally but i realsize that if anybody, anyone whatsoever has a disposition on Fedor you disagree and claim they are on drugs. You are an extreme Fedor ****. What Mir said makes sense. Fedor should fight ppl all over including different org like the UFC instead of staying in his strikeforce bubble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFMRE Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Mir doesn't have a wrestling takedown in his arsenal but it's very easy to take down a fighter who utilizes kicks often. Kongo relies very heavily on kicks. All it takes is for him to catch one kick and take it to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Good luck to Mir trying to get Kongo on the ground' date=' Mir's take down offense is terrible.[/quote'] And Kongo's takedown defense is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbond Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 And Kongo's takedown defense is horrible Not really, against an elite wrestler (Cain) it looks horrible and when he's on the ground he is horrible but his take down defense isn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 yeah his takedown defense looked pretty good against Al Turk and a few others but Cain is an outstanding wrestler. If Kongo just worked on his wrestling and ground game for like a year he'd be ****ing beastly. He's already the best striker in the division imo and very strong dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmacbub Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i disagree Kongo's takedown defense aint that good i would give him a C- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Well it's obviously not an A. lol. C is average so I wouldn't disagree with your grade. But it's not terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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