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B.J. Penn is currently the UFC Lightweight Champion and will put his title on the line against Diego Sanchez at UFC 107 on December 12th. Over the last few years Penn has been one of the best pound for pound fighters. He started his career in the UFC and will most likely end it there. He continues to build on his legacy as he tries to clean out the lightweight division and, so far, he has had no problem doing that.

 

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currently in MMA he isnt in the top 5 his only 4 wins since 2004 have been against pulver florian stevenson and sherk. hardly top flight opponents and failed in 2 attempts verse gsp and split with mat hughes 1-1

 

losing to great fighters doesnt make you a great fighter' date=' he maybe a top lightweight all time, but not P4P[/quote']

 

Being a Champion in two divisions makes you P4P

 

Why else would you think Silva is moving up? And everyone is saying GSP should move up?

 

BJ has already done it, therefor deserving of MINIMUM top 10 P4P

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Lets see BJ is 0-2 with GSP at the first fight being a spilt, 1-1 with M Hughes, 1-0 with M Ser all current or former WW champs, 1-0 with Sherk, and 1-1 with pulver all former LW champs and O yea 0-1 with the LHW champ. One more thing champ in two div. I would not say so much about him only def his title 2 times bec GSP has only did it 3.

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Tbh counting his losses to GSP is utterly stupid.

 

GSP has to be 1-3 top... How can loosing to possibly the best guy in the world make you not worthy of top 5? If everyone could beat the top 3, they wouldn't be top 3.... there's a reason it's ranked, it's unfortunate for Penn that he had to test himself on GSP.

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Nobody in their right mind would argue that he isn't top 10 P4P in the world. That is absurd. IMO he is top 5. He is only obviously behind Fedor, GSP, and A. Silva. You could argue that Machida would be ahead of him a well, but def not for sure. Bottom line is, he is FOR SURE top 10 P4P, and IMO top 5.

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b.j. retreated to the LW division because that's where the weakest challengers are. All the fighters you list were mostly paper champions' date=' Matt Hughes being the exception. Serra should have never been champ and he nearly beat B.J. Both Sherk and Pulver are a joke. If B.J. would have had the drive he has now his whole career we might be saying something different but he shouldn't be compared to the real p4p GOATs like GSP and Silva.[/quote']

 

It's so easy to degrade and insult fighters to make someone elses career look bad...

 

Alot harder to just absorb information rather then reflect anything that isn't the same as your own opinion.

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BJ Penn Fan Lame Excuse # 1. If B.J. was in the shape he is now for his whole career I think we'd be arguing top 2 all time...

 

BJ Penn Fan Lame Excuse # 2. He was owning Matt Hughes in their rematch till he gassed...

 

BJ Penn Fan Lame Excuse # 3 He destroyed GSP in the first round of their first fight until he started to fatigue...

 

BJ Penn fans can make excuses for him until they're blue in the face but the facts are that he's lazy, he has no heart and for most of his career he's treated MMA like hobby. He also has no class and some of his antics like running around licking blood off of his gloves or talking such ridiculous smack about GSP puts him right up there with the likes of clowns like Tito Ortiz in the character department. Worst of all was his quitting on the fans in his second fight with St. Pierre because he was too much of a coward to come back out and take his beating like a man.

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Being a Champion in two divisions makes you P4P

 

Why else would you think Silva is moving up? And everyone is saying GSP should move up?

 

BJ has already done it' date=' therefor deserving of MINIMUM top 10 P4P[/quote']

 

First changing divisions doesn't make you P4P, it has nothing to do with that at all. Although if you are successful in another weight class is does help you case. That being said you could never change weight classes and still be considered P4P the best.

 

That being said your right BJ is definitely one of the best P4P fighters in the world. He has beaten many top guys. If Fedor gets the #1 spot for fighting nobodies than BJ should be at least top 5 for who he's fought.

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BJ Penn fans can make excuses for him until they're blue in the face but the facts are that he's lazy' date=' he has no heart and for most of his career he's treated MMA like hobby. He also has no class and some of his antics like running around licking blood off of his gloves or talking such ridiculous smack about GSP puts him right up there with the likes of clowns like Tito Ortiz in the character department. Worst of all was his quitting on the fans in his second fight with St. Pierre because he was too much of a coward to come back out and take his beating like a man.[/quote']

 

someone hates BJ a little bit...i had to LOL at how ridiculous you sound.

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I dont know bout best p4p fighter but the guy definitely has a pair... he fought at WW and HW yeah he lost all but hell the guys were bigger than him and he gave lyoto one hell of a fight till he took penn down and layed on him... so top p4p NO one hell of a fighter and LW YES.... forgot to say that he is at least top 10 in p4p thought

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BJ Penn fans can make excuses for him until they're blue in the face but the facts are that he's lazy' date=' he has no heart and for most of his career he's treated MMA like hobby. He also has no class and some of his antics like running around licking blood off of his gloves or talking such ridiculous smack about GSP puts him right up there with the likes of clowns like Tito Ortiz in the character department. Worst of all was his quitting on the fans in his second fight with St. Pierre because he was too much of a coward to come back out and take his beating like a man.[/quote']

 

This is all your opinion and you're entitled to it.... But you can't completely dismiss his accomplishments, everyone loses fights man, look at GSP (the guy who was giving that beating) he tapped to strikes against a guy that BJ beat, and that was in the first round not the fourth. Everyone loses. It's what you do after those losses that counts, and so far he's defended his title consistently.

 

I'm not trying to sway your judgment of him in any way, clearly you dislike what BJ has said and done in the past, and hey, I don't like some of the things he's said and done, and I'm a huge BJ Penn fan. But give the guy a little credit, he is top 10 P4P IMO, and that's what P4P is, it's an opinion, everyone has their own.

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currently in MMA he isnt in the top 5 his only 4 wins since 2004 have been against pulver florian stevenson and sherk. hardly top flight opponents and failed in 2 attempts verse gsp and split with mat hughes 1-1

 

losing to great fighters doesnt make you a great fighter' date=' he maybe a top lightweight all time, but not P4P[/quote']

 

agreed

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BJ Penn is top 5 no doubt...

 

a lot of you guys are missing the point, which is p4p...just because BJ puts on FAT to make 170 does not make him a WW...if BJ could retain his SAME LW body composition at 170, 185, etc...he is a monster...he lost to GSP recently because he is not a real WW....he lost to Machida because he was a 191lb fat boy...that does not make that a true p4p fight...

 

when I look at Penn (since his cardio issues are gone), size is the one thing i see as a disadvantage against GSP, etc...but p4p controls for size...

 

all those losses at WW (where he was champ btw) and LHW for Penn were when he is just adding fat to make the bulk weight...imagine BJ at different weight classes with his same muscle/power/speed he possesses at LW...

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currently in MMA he isnt in the top 5 his only 4 wins since 2004 have been against pulver florian stevenson and sherk. hardly top flight opponents and failed in 2 attempts verse gsp and split with mat hughes 1-1

 

losing to great fighters doesnt make you a great fighter' date=' he maybe a top lightweight all time, but not P4P[/quote']

 

Penn is a tiny monster...

And all the fighters you listed are or was insane fighters at the time he fought them...

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b.j. retreated to the LW division because that's where the weakest challengers are. All the fighters you list were mostly paper champions' date=' Matt Hughes being the exception. Serra should have never been champ and he nearly beat B.J. Both Sherk and Pulver are a joke. If B.J. would have had the drive he has now his whole career we might be saying something different but he shouldn't be compared to the real p4p GOATs like GSP and Silva.[/quote']

 

 

retreating iz not the right word y not be in the weight class ur supposed 2 be in and 2 say the challengers r weak iz retarded cauz sherk almost beat hughs who bj beat, serra evn thought it waz a fluke beat gsp,diego and the other fighterz or great 2..... itz just bj has 2 be in the p4p rankingz cauz of the drive he has for competition, he already said that once he cleanz out the division he will move up and fight and then defend his belt and keep doin it......... gsp hasent done it the only credit he getz iz beating penn and hughs, fedors the best, and silva and machida r right behind him........ SOOOO i think bj will br ranked # 5 for p4p best fighters of all time:D

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b.j. retreated to the LW division because that's where the weakest challengers are. All the fighters you list were mostly paper champions' date=' Matt Hughes being the exception. Serra should have never been champ and he nearly beat B.J. Both Sherk and Pulver are a joke. If B.J. would have had the drive he has now his whole career we might be saying something different but he shouldn't be compared to the real p4p GOATs like GSP and Silva.[/quote']

 

Yeah BJ Penn sucks because he tested the waters at WW and seen that it made way more sense for him to fight at LW. And Machida sucks because he's fighting at LHW. And Sean Sherk is a joke! He totally sucks just look at his Horrible record he's 33-4-1What a disgrace this guy is he ONLY has 8 more wins and the same amount of losses as that loser Anderson Silva! Look at his horrible resume

 

Loss Frankie Edgar Decision (Unanimous) UFC 98 - Evans vs. Machida 5/23/2009 3 5:00

Win Tyson Griffin Decision (Unanimous) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 3 5:00

Loss B.J. Penn TKO (Knee and Punches) UFC 84 - Ill Will 5/24/2008 3 5:00

Win Hermes Franca Decision (Unanimous) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 5 5:00

Win Kenny Florian Decision (Unanimous) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 5 5:00

Win Nick Diaz Decision (Unaminous) UFC 59 - Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00

Loss Georges St. Pierre TKO (Punches and Elbows) UFC 56 - Full Force 11/19/2005 2 2:53

Win Joel Blanton Submission (Rear Naked Choke) BP - Pride and Glory 9/17/2005 1 N/A

Win Lee King Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) EC 60 - Extreme Challenge 60 11/12/2004 1 2:20

Win Brodie Farber Submission (Guillotine Choke) SF 6 - Battleground in Reno 9/23/2004 1 0:55

Win Darin Brudigan Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) CFX 2 - Cage Fighting Xtreme 2 9/4/2004 N/A N/A

Win Gerald Strebendt TKO EC 58 - Extreme Challenge 58 6/11/2004 1 3:52

Win Eric Heinz Submission (Neck Crank) PFA - Pride and Fury 6/3/2004 1 0:58

Win Jake Short Submission (Rear Naked Choke) ICC - Trials 2 4/30/2004 1 N/A

Win Kaleo Padilla Submission (Neck Crank) YTYT - You Think Your Tough 4/17/2004 2 1:17

Win Ryuki Ueyama Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Bushido 2 2/15/2004 2 5:00

Win Charles Diaz Submission (Keylock) EP - XXXtreme Impact 12/28/2003 2 0:58

Win Mark Long Submission (Strikes) EC - Extreme Combat 12/12/2003 1 0:32

Win John Alexander TKO EC - Best of the Best 2 - Night Event 8/2/2003 1 N/A

Loss Matt Hughes Decision (Unanimous) UFC 42 - Sudden Impact 4/25/2003 5 5:00

Win John Alexander Submission (Rear Naked Choke) EC 2 - Extreme Combat 2 12/7/2002 1 2:28

Win Benji Radach TKO (Cut) UFC 39 - The Warriors Return 9/27/2002 1 4:16

Win Jutaro Nakao Decision (Unanimous) UFC 36 - Worlds Collide 3/22/2002 3 5:00

Win Claudionor Fontinelle Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UCC 6 - Redemption 10/19/2001 2 1:04

Draw Kiuma Kunioku Draw Pancrase - 2001 Neo-Blood Tournament Second Round 7/29/2001 3 5:00

Win Curtis Brigham TKO (Towel) UW - St. Paul 7/15/2001 3 1:15

Win Jason Purcell TKO UW - Ultimate Fight Minnesota 6/2/2001 1 1:42

Win Marty Armendarez TKO (Punches) KOTC 8 - Bombs Away 4/29/2001 3 2:07

Win Manny Gamburyan Decision (Unanimous) RSF 3 - Reality Submission Fighting 3 3/30/2001 1 18:00

Win Tiki Ghosn Submission (Shoulder Dislocated) UFC 30 - Battle on the Boardwalk 2/23/2001 2 4:47

Win Karo Parisyan TKO (Towel) RSF 2 - Reality Submission Fighting 2 1/5/2001 1 16:20

Win Ken Parham Decision SFC - Submission Fighting Championships 11/3/2000 2 N/A

Win Karo Parisyan Decision RSF 1 - Reality Submission Fighting 1 10/6/2000 1 18:00

Win Steve Gomm Decision EC 28 - Extreme Challenge 28 10/9/1999 1 10:00

Win Scott Bills Decision EC 28 - Extreme Challenge 28 10/9/1999 1 10:00

Win Kurtis Jensen TKO Extreme Challenge - Trials 10/4/1999 1 0:37

Win Johnnie Holland Submission (Keylock) UW - Ultimate Wrestling 8/13/1999 2 2:10

Win Roscoe Ostyn Decision Dangerzone - Mahnomen 6/19/1999 N/A N/A

 

Just a terrible fighter...

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Yeah BJ Penn sucks because he tested the waters at WW and seen that it made way more sense for him to fight at LW. And Machida sucks because he's fighting at LHW. And Sean Sherk is a joke! He totally sucks just look at his Horrible record he's 33-4-1What a disgrace this guy is he ONLY has 8 more wins and the same amount of losses as that loser Anderson Silva! Look at his horrible resume

 

Loss Frankie Edgar Decision (Unanimous) UFC 98 - Evans vs. Machida 5/23/2009 3 5:00

Win Tyson Griffin Decision (Unanimous) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 3 5:00

Loss B.J. Penn TKO (Knee and Punches) UFC 84 - Ill Will 5/24/2008 3 5:00

Win Hermes Franca Decision (Unanimous) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 5 5:00

Win Kenny Florian Decision (Unanimous) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 5 5:00

Win Nick Diaz Decision (Unaminous) UFC 59 - Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00

Loss Georges St. Pierre TKO (Punches and Elbows) UFC 56 - Full Force 11/19/2005 2 2:53

Win Joel Blanton Submission (Rear Naked Choke) BP - Pride and Glory 9/17/2005 1 N/A

Win Lee King Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) EC 60 - Extreme Challenge 60 11/12/2004 1 2:20

Win Brodie Farber Submission (Guillotine Choke) SF 6 - Battleground in Reno 9/23/2004 1 0:55

Win Darin Brudigan Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) CFX 2 - Cage Fighting Xtreme 2 9/4/2004 N/A N/A

Win Gerald Strebendt TKO EC 58 - Extreme Challenge 58 6/11/2004 1 3:52

Win Eric Heinz Submission (Neck Crank) PFA - Pride and Fury 6/3/2004 1 0:58

Win Jake Short Submission (Rear Naked Choke) ICC - Trials 2 4/30/2004 1 N/A

Win Kaleo Padilla Submission (Neck Crank) YTYT - You Think Your Tough 4/17/2004 2 1:17

Win Ryuki Ueyama Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Bushido 2 2/15/2004 2 5:00

Win Charles Diaz Submission (Keylock) EP - XXXtreme Impact 12/28/2003 2 0:58

Win Mark Long Submission (Strikes) EC - Extreme Combat 12/12/2003 1 0:32

Win John Alexander TKO EC - Best of the Best 2 - Night Event 8/2/2003 1 N/A

Loss Matt Hughes Decision (Unanimous) UFC 42 - Sudden Impact 4/25/2003 5 5:00

Win John Alexander Submission (Rear Naked Choke) EC 2 - Extreme Combat 2 12/7/2002 1 2:28

Win Benji Radach TKO (Cut) UFC 39 - The Warriors Return 9/27/2002 1 4:16

Win Jutaro Nakao Decision (Unanimous) UFC 36 - Worlds Collide 3/22/2002 3 5:00

Win Claudionor Fontinelle Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UCC 6 - Redemption 10/19/2001 2 1:04

Draw Kiuma Kunioku Draw Pancrase - 2001 Neo-Blood Tournament Second Round 7/29/2001 3 5:00

Win Curtis Brigham TKO (Towel) UW - St. Paul 7/15/2001 3 1:15

Win Jason Purcell TKO UW - Ultimate Fight Minnesota 6/2/2001 1 1:42

Win Marty Armendarez TKO (Punches) KOTC 8 - Bombs Away 4/29/2001 3 2:07

Win Manny Gamburyan Decision (Unanimous) RSF 3 - Reality Submission Fighting 3 3/30/2001 1 18:00

Win Tiki Ghosn Submission (Shoulder Dislocated) UFC 30 - Battle on the Boardwalk 2/23/2001 2 4:47

Win Karo Parisyan TKO (Towel) RSF 2 - Reality Submission Fighting 2 1/5/2001 1 16:20

Win Ken Parham Decision SFC - Submission Fighting Championships 11/3/2000 2 N/A

Win Karo Parisyan Decision RSF 1 - Reality Submission Fighting 1 10/6/2000 1 18:00

Win Steve Gomm Decision EC 28 - Extreme Challenge 28 10/9/1999 1 10:00

Win Scott Bills Decision EC 28 - Extreme Challenge 28 10/9/1999 1 10:00

Win Kurtis Jensen TKO Extreme Challenge - Trials 10/4/1999 1 0:37

Win Johnnie Holland Submission (Keylock) UW - Ultimate Wrestling 8/13/1999 2 2:10

Win Roscoe Ostyn Decision Dangerzone - Mahnomen 6/19/1999 N/A N/A

 

Just a terrible fighter...

 

 

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People seem to forget that while he lost to Machida at HW, he BEAT Renzo and another Gracie, both in the 200 lb range at the time, at the same tournament. Speculation of people who were actually there was that had they faced each other at a time when BJ hadnt had two tough fights beforehand Bj would have beat him.

In his losses to Hughes, GSP, and Machida it is pretty obvious that had he been properly prepared, put on muscle mass to gain weight for the fights instead of fat, and had some cardio conditioning he would have beat them all. The only loss in BJ's career that wasn't a result of his own lack of physical preparation was the early loss to Pulver, who was undoubtedly the best LW in the world at that time, and simply outworked the younger less experienced Penn of that time.

The very fact that he dominated fights early in his career based almost entirely on natural talent alone only emphasizes the fact that BJ Penn is one of the most skilled fighters to ever step into MMA.

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