Jump to content

Did Frank Mir get bigger?


SkInFlUte

Recommended Posts

i saw a picture of him during his last fight and he looks a lot bigger than his previous bouts. Do you guys think he can defeat Carwin now that he is almost of equal size?

 

Yes...it's common knowledge that Mir has been working with Mark Philippi and has added bulk.

 

As for beating Carwin...I'd say Mir has a better than fifty chance. BUT Carwin has shown that it only takes one from him. So we'll see.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes...it's common knowledge that Mir has been working with Mark Philippi and has added bulk.

 

As for beating Carwin...I'd say Mir has a better than fifty chance. BUT Carwin has shown that it only takes one from him. So we'll see.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

 

Mir in his last fight showed that he had some power behind them hands, this could be a KO in Mir's favour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Mir in his last fight showed that he had some power behind them hands' date=' this could be a KO in Mir's favour[/quote']

 

Oh it's definitely possible for Mir to KO Carwin. I was just pointing out that Carwin has a history of doing so.

 

Skillwise...Mir is way ahead of Carwin...KO resume..obviously goes to Carwin...and as I said..it only takes one. But you are right..I think either is capable of landing that "one." Carwin was in trouble when Gonzaga landed..so it's not like he's untouchable.

 

Should be a fun fight...and assuming Mir wins..a GREAT warm up for Lesnar.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Oh it's definitely possible for Mir to KO Carwin. I was just pointing out that Carwin has a history of doing so.

 

Skillwise...Mir is way ahead of Carwin...KO resume..obviously goes to Carwin...and as I said..it only takes one. But you are right..I think either is capable of landing that "one." Carwin was in trouble when Gonzaga landed..so it's not like he's untouchable.

 

Should be a fun fight...and assuming Mir wins..a GREAT warm up for Lesnar.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

 

Yeh i know, i wasnt trying to have a go at you just putting it out there :), Carwin is probably the favorite standing but i wouldnt be surprised if this weight gain Mir has gone through pushed his Hand Power higher than alot of people expect, I just wish this fight would hurry up and get here i want to see it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeh i know' date=' i wasnt trying to have a go at you just putting it out there :), Carwin is probably the favorite standing but i wouldnt be surprised if this weight gain Mir has gone through pushed his Hand Power higher than alot of people expect, I just wish this fight would hurry up and get here i want to see it[/quote']

 

Yeah no problem sir, I didn't think you were having a go. *chuckle* Just wanted to elaborate a bit more on my thought process.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

carwins cardio is still questionable,if mir passes the 1st rd,it will be a tough fight for carwin.but as most of carwins fight ends with a ko and tko,it only takes one clean shot and mirs mouth will be shut.but mir has more tools to beat carwin.this will be a good fight,someone is going down.i'll just hope carwin wins.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am guessing this fight will stay on the feet, since Carwin won't want to go on the ground with Mir and Mir couldn't take down someone if his life depended on it. And while standing, well it's kind of even. Mir is way more technical than Carwin, but Carwin has this raw power behind his punches. So it's really a toss up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would really really really like to see Mir's head flying through the arena in the 1st round but Carwin better be careful, skill-wise Mir is no joke both in stand-up and on the ground, so he'd better pick his shots. If he decides to take it to the ground he should watch Mir - Lesnar 2, try to isolate a wrist (yea I think Carwin is stronger) and get a punch in, 'cause in Carwin's case, it shouldn't take more than one square in the noggin to either put Mir to sleep or srsly shake him into not being able to defend himself properly and then just drop bombs `til the ref stops it. Go Carwin! Lesnar would have been a much better match-up for Shane:(... with Mir it's going to be a lot trickier.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hate to say it' date=' but Mir is going to be the freaking champ again... PISS![/quote']

 

I don't like him at all as a person. I share your opinion I'm pretty sure Mir will defeat Carwin if he doesn't do anything stupid and gets caught by one of Carwin's cyborg arms. Putting my money on Mir but I truly hope Carwin wins so he will fight Lesnar for the title (if Lesnar doesn't retire).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeh i know' date=' i wasnt trying to have a go at you just putting it out there :), Carwin is probably the favorite standing but i wouldnt be surprised if this weight gain Mir has gone through pushed his Hand Power higher than alot of people expect, I just wish this fight would hurry up and get here i want to see it[/quote']

 

not to be a **** cause you seerm like a smart guy, but remember when joe rogan said ko power is sort of you either have it or you don't-look at sean sherk he's got alot of muscle but never has one punch ko'ed anybody-it's true, look at chuck liddell he's got whipcord thin arms but he obviously has ko power, look at wilson gouveia who was recently cut from the ufc-he also has wwhipcord thin arms but he has dropped his opponent in almost every one of his ufc fights even marquardt(obviously he didn't win some, 5-4 record) but the point is size does not always equate to ko power.clearly carwin has one and done power-when a guy swings a short punch not even his hardest and ktfo gonzaga or even gouveia ktfo lambert after lambert cracked him.mir may hit hard but has yet to and probably never will one punch ko somebody.he just wasn't born with it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

not to be a **** cause you seerm like a smart guy' date=' but remember when joe rogan said ko power is sort of you either have it or you don't-look at sean sherk he's got alot of muscle but never has one punch ko'ed anybody-it's true, look at chuck liddell he's got whipcord thin arms but he obviously has ko power, look at wilson gouveia who was recently cut from the ufc-he also has wwhipcord thin arms but he has dropped his opponent in almost every one of his ufc fights even marquardt(obviously he didn't win some, 5-4 record) but the point is size does not always equate to ko power.clearly carwin has one and done power-when a guy swings a short punch not even his hardest and ktfo gonzaga or even gouveia ktfo lambert after lambert cracked him.mir may hit hard but has yet to and probably never will one punch ko somebody.he just wasn't born with it.[/quote']

 

I think you're forgetting that Mir is submission specialist. One shot can drop Carwin, and after that Mir would have a cake walk trying to submit him. I see it happening a lot like his last fight against Kongo. KO power means nothing if you cannot hit your opponent and by this I mean Carwin has very little chance at hitting Mir. Lesnar had the advantage because he throws boulders attached to an arm that never stops unwinding, after that his opponents are laying on the ground faced with an on coming human train. I think Mir has the advantage in many aspects of the game but still faces a serious threat in Carwin.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

carwins cardio is still questionable' date='if mir passes the 1st rd,it will be a tough fight for carwin.but as most of carwins fight ends with a ko and tko,it only takes one clean shot and mirs mouth will be shut.but mir has more tools to beat carwin.this will be a good fight,someone is going down.i'll just hope carwin wins.[/quote']

 

good point carwin may be a freaking puncher but his cardio is an mystery.I hope he will not take Mir's head off in the 1st round so we can answer this question.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

not to be a **** cause you seerm like a smart guy' date=' but remember when joe rogan said ko power is sort of you either have it or you don't-look at sean sherk he's got alot of muscle but never has one punch ko'ed anybody-it's true, look at chuck liddell he's got whipcord thin arms but he obviously has ko power, look at wilson gouveia who was recently cut from the ufc-he also has wwhipcord thin arms but he has dropped his opponent in almost every one of his ufc fights even marquardt(obviously he didn't win some, 5-4 record) but the point is size does not always equate to ko power.clearly carwin has one and done power-when a guy swings a short punch not even his hardest and ktfo gonzaga or even gouveia ktfo lambert after lambert cracked him.mir may hit hard but has yet to and probably never will one punch ko somebody.he just wasn't born with it.[/quote']

 

I no what you mean, I can see where you're coming from but i didn't say Mir had 1 hit KO power, all I said was that I think his punching power has hit an all time high with this new strength and conditioning program, and most people probably havent realised it yet, Carwin definitaly has KO power in 1 punch but Mir can absolutely finish it standing

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeh i know' date=' i wasnt trying to have a go at you just putting it out there :), Carwin is probably the favorite standing but i wouldnt be surprised if this weight gain Mir has gone through pushed his Hand Power higher than alot of people expect, I just wish this fight would hurry up and get here i want to see it[/quote']

 

No need to be in such a hurry:Mir will start trash talking,Carwin ,(i don't now if you have seen the countdouwn with Gonzaga just to see what this guy do all day long) will say...wathever.

After some more trash talking Carwin will give Mir a jab to find his distance but Mir will get a Cage Nap...i mean K O

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think KO power has a lot to do with the chin your hitting. That short right from Carwin that KO'd Gonzaga wouldn't have phased a guy like Big Nog. Also, I don't care how big Mir thinks he is, he's not going to win this fight on the ground. Carwin's wrestling background and size should nulify Mir's BJJ. Unless Carwin gets caught and is stunned. This fight is a win/win for the fans. If Mir loses, we get to see Mir lose, which is fantastic. If Mir wins, we get to watch Lensar turn Mir's face back into pudding. YES!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No need to be in such a hurry:Mir will start trash talking' date='Carwin ,(i don't now if you have seen the countdouwn with Gonzaga just to see what this guy do all day long) will say...wathever.

After some more trash talking Carwin will give Mir a jab to find his distance [b']but Mir will get a Cage Nap...i mean K O [/b]

 

I doubt this

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have to go with Mir on this one but would like to see Carwin win. One thing that's been neglected on this thread is the inquiry regarding who Carwin is training with. I'd really like to see him evolve and pack some skill into his power game. That being said unless he's improved alot since his Gonzaga performance i'd be shocked if Carwin wins this fight.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What people always do is underestimate Mir. As i remember, he's not the favorite most of his fights be he delivers. for the past 5 fights he's had, he lost only once and to a huge guy whos been training to get revenge. We thought that Kongo would knock Mir's pants off but pretty much to our surprise it happened the other way around. Mir's got more experience and more tools on his shed now. That punch during the Big Nog fight surprised us and so did the Kongo fight. Mir may not have the best take down in MMA but he's willing to go on his back just to take the guy down. His guard is superb the way he trips his opponents legs like what happened to Lesnar or their first fight. Even when he's been GnP'd he still tries to get an arm or a leg to submit. I think Mir's smart enough to stay away from Carwin and try to box him on the outside to gas out Carwin. I dont see this fight going to the third round and Mir winning by submission. Carwin would probably take Mir down right away to GnP him. They dont want to take the chance of standing up and have Mir initiate the takedown. Mir has nasty submissions and choking Kongo in half guard proves that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What people always do is underestimate Mir. As i remember' date=' he's not the favorite most of his fights be he delivers. for the past 5 fights he's had, he lost only once and to a huge guy whos been training to get revenge. [b'] We thought that Kongo would knock Mir's pants off but pretty much to our surprise it happened the other way around.[/b] Mir's got more experience and more tools on his shed now. That punch during the Big Nog fight surprised us and so did the Kongo fight. Mir may not have the best take down in MMA but he's willing to go on his back just to take the guy down. His guard is superb the way he trips his opponents legs like what happened to Lesnar or their first fight. Even when he's been GnP'd he still tries to get an arm or a leg to submit. I think Mir's smart enough to stay away from Carwin and try to box him on the outside to gas out Carwin. I dont see this fight going to the third round and Mir winning by submission. Carwin would probably take Mir down right away to GnP him. They dont want to take the chance of standing up and have Mir initiate the takedown. Mir has nasty submissions and choking Kongo in half guard proves that.

 

Who is we??? I dont recall very many people tipping Mir to lose that.. He was a huge favorite coming into that fight with Kongo

Link to comment
Share on other sites

x2, also look at this thead it's pretty clear Mir's not the underdog. Further, choking out Kongo after he was nearly unconscious after Mir's big left doesn't prove much regarding submissions but I do agree with the fact that Mir's BJJ is very good perhaps best in the division next to Nog.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I really dont think Frank Mir can allow himself to lose to be honest. I thought Kongo was gonna be able to keep Mir away with his reach, and he got smackered. I dont think Mir can lose right now. He is finally fighting the way most MMA fans knew he could.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I really dont think Frank Mir can allow himself to lose to be honest. I thought Kongo was gonna be able to keep Mir away with his reach' date=' and he got smackered. I dont think Mir can lose right now. He is finally fighting the way most MMA fans knew he could.[/quote']

 

I agree. While it could go either way. Mir just looks unstoppable right now and He is now training for revenge. I just hope that fight happens. Can't wait for this one tho

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know I might get hammered for saying this but, I dont think Mir means have the stuff he says during all the pre-fight interviews (except for when it comes to Lesnar, because thats kinda personal with Mir). But I think that most of it is just to build up the fight. I might be wrong and I'm sure some of you think I am but this is just IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know I might get hammered for saying this but' date=' I dont think Mir means have the stuff he says during all the pre-fight interviews (except for when it comes to Lesnar, because thats kinda personal with Mir). But I think that most of it is just to build up the fight. I might be wrong and I'm sure some of you think I am but this is just IMO.[/quote']

 

Its true he will trash talk all day long before the fight. And after win or lose he usually talks the guy up. Its good marketing for him cause it works

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes...it's common knowledge that Mir has been working with Mark Philippi and has added bulk.

 

As for beating Carwin...I'd say Mir has a better than fifty chance. BUT Carwin has shown that it only takes one from him. So we'll see.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

 

Omg why do u always say "Cheers" , u know how annoying it is .. holy man ..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think KO power has a lot to do with the chin your hitting. That short right from Carwin that KO'd Gonzaga wouldn't have phased a guy like Big Nog. Also' date=' [b']I don't care how big Mir thinks he is, he's not going to win this fight on the ground.[/b] Carwin's wrestling background and size should nulify Mir's BJJ. Unless Carwin gets caught and is stunned. This fight is a win/win for the fans. If Mir loses, we get to see Mir lose, which is fantastic. If Mir wins, we get to watch Lensar turn Mir's face back into pudding. YES!

 

This is the big question IMO. If Mir hasn't been training and improving on actually stuffing a good wrestler's shoots and take downs he is going to be in trouble.

 

I like the match up. If Mir can't stuff Carwin and control where the fight takes place he has no shot at beating Lesner.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...