CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Quick show of hands...whose got Gonzaga with another amazing upset against Dos Santos? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares9139 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Naaaaah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Naaaaah. a lot of people don't realize this but re-watch the Carwin fight Gonzaga was winning until his chin came into play, if he can land another head kick like he did with Cro-Cop...watch out world! ...............i don't necessarily think he can though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueStandard 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 not for me. ive got jds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mookiesudo 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 gabriel winning wouldn't be an upset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 gabriel winning wouldn't be an upset. i guarantee you the line for this fight will have Dos Santos a heavy favorite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtp 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Why would it be an upset if Gonzaga wins? JDS is still the younger guy, still needs to beat a top 5 contender like Gonzaga. I think it would be an upset if JDS wins. Tats just me. I pick Gonzaga to win by UD, and kill the phenom hype. Cain Valasquez is the phenom in the HW division. Thats just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesy77 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 jds has got this one in my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares9139 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 JDS will be a betting favourite going into this fight. Probably by quite a margin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Why would it be an upset if Gonzaga wins? JDS is still the younger guy' date=' still needs to beat a top 5 contender like Gonzaga. I think it would be an upset if JDS wins. Tats just me. I pick Gonzaga to win by UD, and kill the phenom hype. Cain Valasquez is the phenom in the HW division. Thats just me.[/quote'] there is no way Gonzaga is a top 5 contender, top 10 yes, not top 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares9139 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 there is no way Gonzaga is a top 5 contender' date=' top 10 yes, not top 5[/quote'] Agreed, Gonzaga is not top five. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kable 1,357 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Junior Dos Santos will win because he has much better, more technical striking than Shane Carwin who knocked out Gonzaga by fluke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtp 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Agreed' date=' Gonzaga is not top five.[/quote'] The only reason I say top 5 is because Carwin gets a title shot after beating him, and has won 3 outta 5 since his title shot against Couture. There isnt any real ranking structure in the UFC. They go off hype, wich is unfortunate. Example: Vitor gets a title shot against Silva. Hype and odds in the picture? JDS is the favorite. I still think Gonzaga wins this fight in a war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickTF 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 It's been a long time since i've seen Gonzaga fight but he has the ability to take this fight. I think JDS will win it but it's not lob sided by any means. 60/40 for JDS at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GREAT_JAKE 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 The only reason I say top 5 is because Carwin gets a title shot after beating him' date=' and has won 3 outta 5 since his title shot against Couture. There isnt any real ranking structure in the UFC. They go off hype, wich is unfortunate. Example: Vitor gets a title shot against Silva. Hype and odds in the picture? JDS is the favorite. I still think Gonzaga wins this fight in a war.[/quote'] JDShas very good striking skills superior to gonzaga plus we know gonzaga can be dropped so ihave JDS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SrH420x 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Think this is a very intriguing match-up because they are both well-rounded, but JDS has a clear stand-up advantage, and trains with Nog so he has to have ground skills and I think he'll win. However, I wouldnt be too suprised if Gonzaga wins because hes shown hes dangerous standing up , and has great BJJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 The only reason I say top 5 is because Carwin gets a title shot after beating him' date=' and has won 3 outta 5 since his title shot against Couture. There isnt any real ranking structure in the UFC. They go off hype, wich is unfortunate. Example: Vitor gets a title shot against Silva. Hype and odds in the picture? JDS is the favorite. I still think Gonzaga wins this fight in a war.[/quote'] I hope i see a war, heavyweights are just used to finishing fights quick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares9139 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 The only reason I say top 5 is because Carwin gets a title shot after beating him' date=' and has won 3 outta 5 since his title shot against Couture. There isnt any real ranking structure in the UFC. They go off hype, wich is unfortunate. Example: Vitor gets a title shot against Silva. Hype and odds in the picture? JDS is the favorite. I still think Gonzaga wins this fight in a war.[/quote'] Remember Carwin was originally supposed to fight Velasquez first, Gonzaga didn't lead him straight to the title. I have Gonzaga sitting around seventh in the top ten heavyweights. I'd say it would go Lesnar, Mir, Nogueira, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Carwin and then Gonzaga. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bahrain2009 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 gabriel winning wouldn't be an upset. +1 i think gonzaga will win this one if he can take JDS down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtp 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Remember Carwin was originally supposed to fight Velasquez first' date=' Gonzaga didn't lead him straight to the title. I have Gonzaga sitting around seventh in the top ten heavyweights. I'd say it would go Lesnar, Mir, Nogueira, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Carwin and then Gonzaga.[/quote'] I know, then they changed thier minds and gave the shot to Carwin and Rothwell to Cain. BS. Its all about hype in the UFC. I hate that. I get it, but hate it. Maybe Im too old school, but there really needs to be a ranking structure in the UFC. So guys that arent ready (Ken flo when he fought Sherk) dont get undeserved shots. Lesnar, Nogueira, Mir, Carwin, Gonzaga, Valasquez, JDS, and the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rampage_Fan23 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 cnt c jds losin this hes gt mre power in his hands that anyone else apart from gonzaga the only thing gonzaga should do is take him down a work his bjj and put him in a placed where he aint been Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pDon 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I think JDS will run through him, this guy is on fire and its pretty sad he isnt getting enough attention. Cro Cop was the only one to take him out of the first round I believe and he is a seasoned vet. I feel like JDS has what it takes to make a run for the title in a couple more fights, as for gonzaga he may fall down the path of a gatekeeper which I believe JDS has proven himself with his wins to be fighting other top contenders. Although I didnt see his last fight, we have yet to see how goods JDS ground games is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TOTRedman 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Gonzaga is definatly not a top 5 fighter. Yeah he was winning the Carwin fight until he got caught, BUT JDS is twice the striker Carwin is with all the power. I'm saying JDS by KO in the 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firekiller123 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 gonzaga by headkick beginning of the second Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares9139 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I know' date=' then they changed thier minds and gave the shot to Carwin and Rothwell to Cain. BS. Its all about hype in the UFC. I hate that. I get it, but hate it. Maybe Im too old school, but there really needs to be a ranking structure in the UFC. So guys that arent ready (Ken flo when he fought Sherk) dont get undeserved shots. Lesnar, Nogueira, Mir, Carwin, Gonzaga, Valasquez, JDS, and the rest.[/quote'] I agree, title fights are too based on marketability over actual accomplishments, which I don't like (just look at the Maynard/Edgar situation). I'd like to see an official ranking system as well, made with complete objectivity and stop giving away premature title shots like you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheTerribleWilliamson 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I think Gonzaga will beat Dos Santos and I also believe that he would (puts on flame retardant suit) beat Lesnar as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirko4life 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 That's a real hard one to pick. To hard for me so I am not picking lol. This would be a great fight tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hizoka 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Remember Carwin was originally supposed to fight Velasquez first' date=' Gonzaga didn't lead him straight to the title. I have Gonzaga sitting around seventh in the top ten heavyweights. I'd say it would go Lesnar, Mir, Nogueira, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Carwin and then Gonzaga.[/quote'] Santos is in the bottom barely clinging to the top 10 if anything... you cannot be top5 when the only possible top 10 you have fight is Wendum... JDS is hype nothing more... anyone can KO cans and has bens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taint_Choke 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Tod Duffee > JDS. as fo this fight i see Napal winning by left ear submission Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portorockxxl 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 tough one to call gonzaga or jds could ended this one quick... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sixshoota 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Tod Duffee > JDS. Are you serious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taint_Choke 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Are you serious? Dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silentson 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Dead Seems you saved me the effort of flaming you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remedx 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 what makes it a stunning upset? gonzaga earned a shot at the title at one point. it won't be an upset when gonzaga wins. i like and respect JDS, especially for his honor and respect about Nog, but Gonzaga is a beast and tries to break you in half with every strike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buds 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I don't know what people see in Gabriel Gonzaga, I don't really think of him as a top contender. This is just a small step up from feeding JDS Gilbert Yvel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkReflection 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Dos Santos. Cheers -DR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armbarvictim 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 JDS has the power and ability to take Gabe out in the first. I hope he tears him apart. JDS is quickly becoming one of the top guys in the division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartKrol 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Do not underestimate Gonzaga. He has an advantage of 20 pounds of pure power over JDS. If his mind is right, he wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmdsounddotcom 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Gonzaga = one of the top 10, Dos Santos is too. I think he will out power dos santos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I think Gonzaga will beat Dos Santos and I also believe that he would (puts on flame retardant suit) beat Lesnar as well. the only reason i agree with any of this is the leg kicks...to the head and mid section as well as legs of Lesnar you gotta chop him down. The only problem with that is, as soon as you throw a kick that sets you up for the takedown. Brock "The G&P King" Lesnar rules the mat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whytho1 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Quick show of hands...whose got Gonzaga with another amazing upset against Dos Santos? not a chance, Dos Santos is so good with his hands, and trains BJJ with Nog....its not an easy task by any means, but im pretty sure Santy has the upper hand in this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
button_man 176 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 i don't think there will be an upset.JDS gotta good momentum right now with his hand speed.gonzaga is a good fighter,but JDS performance is just amazing and seems to be unstoppable right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast_Knockout 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 a lot of people don't realize this but re-watch the Carwin fight Gonzaga was winning until his chin came into play' date=' if he can land another head kick like he did with Cro-Cop...watch out world! ...............i don't necessarily think he can though [/quote'] I really hope your kidding. Gonzaga had a very lucky night with that head kick, fighting a fighter whose best years were behind him. You mentioned that Gonzaga lost the Carwin fight due to his chin, Have you seen Dos Santos's striking? Dos Santos by murder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denominator 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Now i'll be the first to say that I think that Dos Santos is the UFC's future champion. I don't care if I get buried for it. He's that good in my opinion. He's never truly been in trouble, and always sticks to his game plan in the ring. He knows how to cut off the corner, and use his reach. He's probably the best boxer in the UFC. I don't know too much about his ground game, other then that he is trained by Nogueira, for several years, which means that he must have good submission defense. In this fight I see him knocking out Gonzaga. I think he has even more punching power then Carwin. He throttled Cro Cop, and made Yvel hunt for excuses. I do think that Gonzaga has a better ground game, but he's gonna have alot of trouble getting Dos Santos down to begin with, let alone keeping him there. I'll call the fight being stopped in the 2nd round, and by KO. Even then Dos Santos will just remain a silent contender in the Heavyweight division as he isn't a brash individuals, or stand out by having "Brown Pride" tattooed on his chest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Jack_Attack 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 If Gonzaga choses to stand with JDS then he will be T/KOed. I would like to see him test JDS' ground game though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlLane 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 I really hope your kidding. Gonzaga had a very lucky night with that head kick' date=' fighting a fighter whose best years were behind him. You mentioned that Gonzaga lost the Carwin fight due to his chin, Have you seen Dos Santos's striking? Dos Santos by murder.[/quote'] yeah, you're not paying attention...I to think Dos Santos will win and big, but what is to say Gonzaga can't get another lucky head kick, actually Gonzaga dominated that fight against an aged Cro-Cop...also he WAS winning the Carwin fight until Carwin caught him on his button...I've watched everything in the UFC son so don't come asking me what i've seen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
legionarivs6 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 no way Dos Santos is gonna do work on Napao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrnRedBlue 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 tough one to call but i train jujitsu with team link so ima have to root for gonzaga on this one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MusicIzMySavior 3 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 nope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyZadar 130 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 id pick dos santos...but if he lost to gonzaga i wouldnt say this was a upset...both are superb fighters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
