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Jim Rome is ignorant. Even though Lesnar may not do the best job of articulating his position, he has every right to convey his experiences in the Canadian Health Care system, and he is right about the potential of socialized Health Care in the United States. I was not a Brock fan before, but I am now.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/331514-brock-lesnar-criticizes-the-canadian-health-care-system#poll

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With Brown winning in Massachusetts and many blue dogs seeing the chance of not winning reelection' date=' I think we will stop the health care bill.[/quote']

 

I agree. People are beginning to educate themselves on the issue and the fact that the bill proposed by Congress is a cluster**** of ideas thrown together that benefit some states more than others.

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Our (Canadian) health care professionals are sought after for their services all over the USA. I perosnally went to high school with at least 20 girls that are now practicing nurses in North Carolina and Texas. Many doctors I know have also been approached to set-up practice in the USA. Brock's personal experience does not represent the overall quality of our health care. It was ONE opinion, and an irresponsible comment. When Dana chuckled, I was furious. Because Brock had a bad experience has NOTHING to do with the overall ability for the actual procedures to be administered by one of our health care professionals. Why did you start this thread? Brock gets paid to fight, not express his political views. Kinda like that girl from Dixie Chciks flaping about George W. Sing damnit, sing!

 

Does ANYONE ever wonder what happens in MONTREAL when there is an injury in the UFC? Oh, just in case anyone is wondering, Montreal is in Canada. Do you suppose that if Brock were to be injured in Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver, he would simply say to a health care professional "No, I don't want you to save me......."

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The way I see it Brock Lesnar is entitled to his arrogant opinion about Canadian healthcare the same way I'm entitled to my opinion about Brock Lesnar.

I agree. We are all entitled to our arrogant opinions (including Jim Rome).

 

And you're welcome to miss the point about people who react to Brock Lesnar's opinion' date=' Ron.[/quote']

I did not miss the point. People are welcome to site it as a PR issue regardless of whether or not he is right in the debate (and they may be justified in doing so). But, the fact remains that the people who are pissed off about what he said are the proponents of socialized Health Care.

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Our (Canadian) health care professionals are sought after for their services all over the USA. I perosnally went to high school with at least 20 girls that are now practicing nurses in North Carolina and Texas. Many doctors I know have also been approached to set-up practice in the USA.

 

That is correct' date=' JR_Ryder. Anyone who is talented enough will prefer to practice in a more lucrative free-market American system over a less lucrative socialized Canadian system. That is the reason why America attracts the most talented doctors in the world. My cousin's husband is a highly specialized surgeon from Germany. He escaped Germany's socialized system to practice in the United States.

 

Brock's personal experience does not represent the overall quality of our health care.

 

No, but the collective experiences of several individuals does, which it is why it is important for someone like Lesnar to convey what he experienced when Americans are considering a similar system.

 

It was ONE opinion, and an irresponsible comment. When Dana chuckled, I was furious. Because Brock had a bad experience has NOTHING to do with the overall ability for the actual procedures to be administered by one of our health care professionals.

 

It is your delivery system that is the problem. Have you even really tested the Canadian Health Care system? Have you ever had a life-threatening illness there like Lesnar? This is a very informative documentary on the Canadian Health Care system...

 

http://onthefencefilms.com/video/deadmeat/deadmeat.html

 

Why did you start this thread? Brock gets paid to fight, not express his political views. Kinda like that girl from Dixie Chciks flaping about George W. Sing damnit, sing!

 

So, because Lesnar is a pro athelete, he should not have the freedom to express political opnions? I can think of a million different double standards on that one.

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We have a way unhealthier life style. We are the most obese nation in the world. These things can really explain that two year difference.

 

Infant Mortality...... I think we are twentysomething on that list. Don't think that has much to do with lifestyle. We are way behind on many others as well.

Be careful of foolish pride.

 

Let's get back to UFC talk.

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We have a way unhealthier life style. We are the most obese nation in the world. These things can really explain that two year difference.

 

I agree. There are a great many factors that go into the two year difference. Also, the fact that we contribute more soldiers from our population to defend western civilization overseas.

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Infant Mortality...... I think we are twentysomething on that list. Don't think that has much to do with lifestyle. We are way behind on many others as well.

Be careful of foolish pride.

 

Let's get back to UFC talk.

 

I don't see the point in this fact nor how i am being foolish and prideful. America is one of the unhealthiest nations in the world in terms of how we live our lives. We are some of the biggest consumers of illegal drugs and alcohol.

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Infant Mortality...... I think we are twentysomething on that list. Don't think that has much to do with lifestyle. We are way behind on many others as well.

Be careful of foolish pride.

 

Let's get back to UFC talk.

 

We are # 180 on that list... https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

 

And again, what are the causes of infant mortality? Most infants in America die because someone put them to sleep on their stomach instead of on their back. That has nothing to do with health care.

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Every single country in the Top Ten for longest life expectancies have "socialized" healthcare.

 

Yes' date=' I understand MMA fans are not exactly brain surgeons, but come on.[/quote']

 

I never once made any statement of socialized medicine being linked with high death rates. My heath care is perfectly fine we have some of the best health care in the world now don't get that confused with most insured.

We repeatedly make advancements in technology it simply boils down to the fact that I personally don;t think it's my obligation to buy someone's health care. Also in terms of life expectancy we are one of the unhealthiest countries when it comes to life style and believe it or not that has an affect on how long you will live

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I never once made any statement of socialized medicine being linked with high death rates. My heath care is perfectly fine we have some of the best health care in the world now don't get that confused with most insured.

We repeatedly make advancements in technology it simply boils down to the fact that I personally don;t think it's my obligation to buy someone's health care. Also in terms of life expectancy we are one of the unhealthiest countries when it comes to life style and believe it or not that has an affect on how long you will live

 

Crime and other things not related to Health Care also factor into those figures.

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We are # 180 on that list...https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

 

And again' date=' what are the causes of infant mortality? Most infants in America die because someone put them to sleep on their stomach instead of on their back. That has nothing to do with health care.[/quote']

 

In fact syds is only the third leading cause of infant mortality.

 

The leading causes are congenital malformations and disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight.

 

Nice try though.

 

BTW all three of these leading factors are related to and influenced by healthcare and its availability especially to poor people.

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I never once made any statement of socialized medicine being linked with high death rates. My heath care is perfectly fine we have some of the best health care in the world now don't get that confused with most insured.

We repeatedly make advancements in technology it simply boils down to the fact that I personally don;t think it's my obligation to buy someone's health care. Also in terms of life expectancy we are one of the unhealthiest countries when it comes to life style and believe it or not that has an affect on how long you will live

 

I personally don't care what you think.

 

You are buying their healthcare whether you like it or not.

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In fact syds is only the third leading cause of infant mortality.

 

The leading causes are congenital malformations and disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight.

 

Nice try though.

 

BTW all three of these leading factors are related to and influenced by healthcare and its availability especially to poor people.

Also maybe all the "wonderful" legal drugs we consume.

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That is correct' date=' JR_Ryder. Anyone who is talented enough will prefer to practice in a more lucrative free-market American system over a less lucrative socialized Canadian system. That is the reason why America attracts the most talented doctors in the world. My cousin's husband is a highly specialized surgeon from Germany. He escaped Germany's socialized system to practice in the United States.

 

 

 

No, but the collective experiences of several individuals does, which it is why it is important for someone like Lesnar to convey what he experienced when Americans are considering a similar system.

 

 

 

It is your delivery system that is the problem. Have you even really tested the Canadian Health Care system? Have you ever had a life-threatening illness there like Lesnar? This is a very informative documentary on the Canadian Health Care system...

 

http://onthefencefilms.com/video/deadmeat/deadmeat.html

 

 

 

So, because Lesnar is a pro athelete, he should not have the freedom to express political opnions? I can think of a million different double standards on that one.[/quote']

 

 

Well said..... I guess it would be nice if we were all in a position to be pragmatic. An articulate and intelligent debate my friend. Well said!

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In fact syds is only the third leading cause of infant mortality.

 

The leading causes are congenital malformations and disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight.

 

Nice try though.

 

BTW all three of these leading factors are related to and influenced by healthcare and its availability especially to poor people.

 

The difference between the U.S. and Canada in this regard is minimal and education is a strong influence on at least two of the above three as well.

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i once cared about giving the US a taste of what a socialist health care bill would be.

 

Not anymore. Man, you guy have been drinking to some serious koolaid. If one was to believe that what you say was correct, everyone in the world would die except for you guys.

 

You can keep your overly expensive healthcare. I just feel good for living in a country that gives me the chance of choosing between one of them.

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Canada = Free healthcare to all.

America = You get what you pay for. The more money you have, the better treatment you will receive.

 

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. We have long wait times because most people abuse the system, and go to the hospital for minor things like a runny nose.

In the US, most people are paying for something that they will only use on a rare occasion. Seriously, how often are you in the hospital?

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See actually like I have already stated with the recent elections and the fear from blue dogs more then likely I won't be.

 

Also, how many southern Canadians, that factor into the national mortality rate, purchase Blue Cross Blue Shield policies and travel across the border to seek medical treatment in American facilities when needed? Quite a few from what I have heard. Those people are paying for Health Care twice. Once invested into their own government's system and a second time into an American insurance company. What will they do if America were to convert to a socialized Health Care system?

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Also' date=' how many southern Canadians, that factor into the national mortality rate, purchase Blue Cross Blue Shield policies and travel across the border to seek medical treatment in American facilities when needed? Quite a few from what I have heard. Those people are paying for Health Care twice. Once invested into their own government's system and a second time into an American insurance company. What will they do if America were to convert to a socialized Health Care system?[/quote']

 

The exact same thing?

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That is correct' date=' JR_Ryder. Anyone who is talented enough will prefer to practice in a more lucrative free-market American system over a less lucrative socialized Canadian system. That is the reason why America attracts the most talented doctors in the world. My cousin's husband is a highly specialized surgeon from Germany. He escaped Germany's socialized system to practice in the United States.

 

 

 

No, but the collective experiences of several individuals does, which it is why it is important for someone like Lesnar to convey what he experienced when Americans are considering a similar system.

 

 

 

It is your delivery system that is the problem. Have you even really tested the Canadian Health Care system? Have you ever had a life-threatening illness there like Lesnar? This is a very informative documentary on the Canadian Health Care system...

 

http://onthefencefilms.com/video/deadmeat/deadmeat.html

 

 

 

So, because Lesnar is a pro athelete, he should not have the freedom to express political opnions? I can think of a million different double standards on that one.[/quote']

 

There are also some doctors who practice because they are moral, and feel that saving someone's life is a little higher on the priority scale than their bank account. My knee surgeon could make 10-times his current income by practicing in the USA, but he doesn't. I'm sure he also enjoys being close to his family. AND THEN there are those doctors who are in Haiti right now helping for FREE, because the have a God-given gift to save lives. Who does Brock pray to before bed? A surgeon who can stitch-up his stomach, a banker, or God?

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Canada = Free healthcare to all.

America = You get what you pay for. The more money you have' date=' the better treatment you will receive.

 

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. We have long wait times because most people abuse the system, and go to the hospital for minor things like a runny nose.

In the US, most people are paying for something that they will only use on a rare occasion. Seriously, how often are you in the hospital?[/quote']

 

Basically everyone ends up there in the end.

 

BTW CAnadians can come down here and buy the same dam healthcare we can, yet we can't go up there and get the same healthcare they can.

 

How this arrangement makes us better off is known only to the brainiacs like Brock Lesnar.

 

A shame they don;t make brain steroids.

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Canada = Free healthcare to all.

America = You get what you pay for. The more money you have' date=' the better treatment you will receive.

 

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. We have long wait times because most people abuse the system, and go to the hospital for minor things like a runny nose.

In the US, most people are paying for something that they will only use on a rare occasion. Seriously, how often are you in the hospital?[/quote']

 

It's not free in Canada. We pay HEAVILY on our tax-deductions. I have nearly 50% of my pay-cheque deducted for things like Canadian Pension Plan, Employment Insurance, Healthcare, and a myriad of other things. I'm VERY VERY happy to live in the great country of Canada.

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No' date=' education is a casualty of other mechanisms in the United States. But again, those rates you referenced in regards to infant mortality reflect minimal differences from Canada's rates.[/quote']

 

Sorry but pre and post natal medical consultation is very much a part of the formula.

 

Canadians are all given equal pre and post natal medical consoltaion, while Americans get what they pay for.

 

Poor people receiving free medical care is something that works out to be a benefit to society at large.

 

This is the single most difficult concept to get Americans to understand.

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There are also some doctors who practice because they are moral' date=' and feel that saving someone's life is a little higher on the priority scale than their bank account. My knee surgeon could make 10-times his current income by practicing in the USA, but he doesn't. I'm sure he also enjoys being close to his family. AND THEN there are those doctors who are in Haiti right now helping for FREE, because the have a God-given gift to save lives. Who does Brock pray to before bed? A surgeon who can stitch-up his stomach, a banker, or God?[/quote']

 

The reality is that less qualified professionals will be willing to invest in American medical school or migrate to the U.S. from other countries if you did something drastic that made American Health Care less lucrative. The American government has already done this to some extent with "managed care." A socialized system simply makes the existing problem worse.

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Basically everyone ends up there in the end.

 

BTW CAnadians can come down here and buy the same dam healthcare we can' date=' yet we can't go up there and get the same healthcare they can.

 

How this arrangement makes us better off is known only to the brainiacs like Brock Lesnar.

 

A shame they don;t make brain steroids.[/quote']

 

Because in all honesty, you wouldn't WANT to come up here. If you have insurance, you will receive faster treatment in the United States. Usually, the service will also be better.

Half the stuff at our hospitals doesn't even work and, if it does, it's severely outdated.

Our Healthcare system is a JOKE. Governments get elected all the time based on 'reformed healthcare policies', and like always, they never follow through. Wait times are through the roof.

If you can't afford insurance, then we have a good system. It's better to receive late treatment than none at all, right?

Personally, I'd rather pay for my own insurance. I don't understand why I should have to pay taxes, just so other people can take advantage of the healthcare. I couldn't even tell you the last time that I was in the hospital.

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No' date=' education is a casualty of other mechanisms in the United States. But again, those rates you referenced in regards to infant mortality reflect minimal differences from Canada's rates.[/quote']

 

^^^ This guy is smart! We may have varying opinions, but I like his well thought-out approach.

 

Anyone know what happens if an American fighter gets hurt in Montreal?

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Sorry but pre and post natal medical consultation is very much a part of the formula.

 

Canadians are all given equal pre and post natal medical consoltaion' date=' while Americans get what they pay for.

 

Poor people receiving free medical care is something that works out to be a benefit to society at large.

 

This is the single most difficult concept to get Americans to understand.[/quote']

 

"Poor people" already get Health Care in American through Medicaid.

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It's not free in Canada. We pay HEAVILY on our tax-deductions. I have nearly 50% of my pay-cheque deducted for things like Canadian Pension Plan' date=' Employment Insurance, Healthcare, and a myriad of other things. I'm VERY VERY happy to live in the great country of Canada.[/quote']

 

That's very true.. we pay in a form of income tax.

But what about the people that DON'T work and therefore DON'T pay income taxes? They receive the same treatment that you or I do. Is that fair? No.

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No' date=' education is a casualty of other mechanisms in the United States. But again, those rates you referenced in regards to infant mortality reflect minimal differences from Canada's rates.[/quote']

 

Education is what you get when public health nurses show up at every snigle home that has a baby in it in order to help and consel evey new mother regardless of how muvh money she makes.

 

I know this is hard for you.

 

You are so grossly uneducated that there is very little liklihood you will ever be able to understand.

 

Perhaps your kids will.

 

believe it or not you are smarter than your parents, as ignorant as you are.

 

Change is hard, especially when it cuts into profit.

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The reality is that less qualified professionals will be willing to invest in American medical school or migrate to the U.S. from other countries if you did something drastic that made American Health Care less lucrative. The American government has already done this to some extent with "managed care." A socialized system simply makes the existing problem worse.

 

The education given to our (Canadian) students is not an issue. It's 'top-shelf'. Do you mean "less qualified" as in "FEWER" qualified, or do you mean "less qualified" as in "SUBSTANDARD EDUCATION"? Sorry, I'm not doubting your statement, but it's border-lining a dangling participle and I want to comment, but I'm not sure how to interpret it.

 

Please respond as I'd like to comment.

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Education is what you get when public health nurses show up at every snigle home that has a baby in it in order to help and consel evey new mother regardless of how muvh money she makes.

 

I know this is hard for you.

 

You are so grossly uneducated that there is very little liklihood you will ever be able to understand.

 

Perhaps your kids will.

 

believe it or not you are smarter than your parents' date=' as ignorant as you are.

 

Change is hard, especially when it cuts into profit.[/quote']

 

On the contrary, enlightened one. I am well-educated, particularly on this issue. Socialized medicine = a less lucrative Health Care system = a degraded quality of care.

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The education given to our (Canadian) students is not an issue. It's 'top-shelf'. Do you mean "less qualified" as in "FEWER" qualified' date=' or do you mean "less qualified" as in "SUBSTANDARD EDUCATION"? Sorry, I'm not doubting your statement, but it's border-lining a dangling participle and I want to comment, but I'm not sure how to interpret it.

 

Please respond as I'd like to comment.[/quote']

 

I read what he wrote but it was such a convoluted bag of tired old cliches I didn;t bother with it.

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Then why are they not buying into that instead?

 

They can't. Two tier health-care is illegal in Canada. It's only for corporations that use it for contract renewal. The doctors in these organizations such as The Cleveland Clinic or Med-Scan can only accept payment from recognized corporations that are certified to use these services.

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