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I saw it.

 

Republicans will continue to be the selfish' date=' greedy, immature, obstructionist and childish bastards they always were and nothing will get done.

 

**** right wingers. They've been conditioned to vote against themselves.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

***ing left wingers all have their heads up thier own asses. Pull out and smell reality somtime.

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well a good point is to not f bomb left or right but to just do your dam job .. tired of the blaming and finger pointing too .. nothing ever gets done when that happens.. i can say this .. what he said sound great .. just like they all usually do .. only thing we have to wait for is results .. i highly believe we are gonna see good results and soon .. Obama wants to be in for another 4 so expect it to happen .. allot of good things we can hope for

 

1. troops coming home end of august

2. Job creation

3. government spending froze for three years (i really hope so)

4. college cost drops

5. more information for the public to view before voting

6. new energy plans

7. tax reform

 

many others if you break it all down ...

 

 

might as well cut all the bs about the past and look forward to make it better .. being stuck on it isnt gonna do anything.. we need to learn from it and start making it happen .. i hope it does .. gotta think positive and do whats right .. stop being negative and one sided ..just like fights we see ..i personally dont care who the person is as long as i get to see greatness !!

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I saw it.

 

Republicans will continue to be the selfish' date=' greedy, immature, obstructionist and childish bastards they always were and nothing will get done.

 

**** right wingers. They've been conditioned to vote against themselves.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

This ^ and I live in Oklahoma and I'm around Republicans 24/7everyone in my family is Republican not too sound racist but I know from personal experience why they disagree with Obama and it's the only reason no if ands or buts around it.

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most of his claims of accomplishments are ********. he hasn't create jobs, he may have saved a few gov't jobs, thats all.

 

he's talking about how wall street **** the citizens... LOL gov't **** the citizens, Wall Street is the backbone of the economy. Raise taxes on big business = less growth, higher prices, no new jobs.

 

Go after the banks for money.... banks raise fees, give lower interest and charge higher rates.

 

you can't tax business Obama it comes back to the consumer!! the key to an economy is... RICH PEOPLE, Successful businesses and confident banks. If the people who write your checks are getting robbed by the gov't, how can they write your checks and hire new people?

 

Obama knows this, a ****ing HS sophomore who took economics knows this, Obama and the big gov't dems bank on the morons. Vote for me ill get you money and programs, ill get your family into the country, all while inflation rises and prices go up and jobs go scarce.

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well a good point is to not f bomb left or right but to just do your dam job .. tired of the blaming and finger pointing too .. nothing ever gets done when that happens.. i can say this .. what he said sound great .. just like they all usually do .. only thing we have to wait for is results .. i highly believe we are gonna see good results and soon .. Obama wants to be in for another 4 so expect it to happen .. allot of good things we can hope for

 

1. troops coming home end of august

2. Job creation

3. government spending froze for three years (i really hope so)

4. college cost drops

5. more information for the public to view before voting

6. new energy plans

7. tax reform

 

many others if you break it all down ...

 

 

might as well cut all the bs about the past and look forward to make it better .. being stuck on it isnt gonna do anything.. we need to learn from it and start making it happen .. i hope it does .. gotta think positive and do whats right .. stop being negative and one sided ..just like fights we see ..i personally dont care who the person is as long as i get to see greatness !!

 

I realize my initial post in this thread could be misinterpreted. First let me say I was a fervent Obama supporter. I followed and campaigned for the man for 2 years prior to his election. And I remember predicting way back during that first keynote address he gave in 2004 that he would be the first African American President, I just didn't expect it to happen so soon, nor did anyone else who follows politics closely.

 

I say that just to give you some background. If you've been following Obama for a while, you know he is quite possibly the greatest speaker of our generation, his speeches are like prose moving and at times beautiful.

 

Here's where I have my problem. He decided to make health care his big item on his agenda, and I agreed with that totally. But then...he faded into the background, we didn't hear a peep from him. As Fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and all the republicans in congress controlled the national dialogue on the issue.

 

Instead of talking about the REAL WORLD costs and benefits of universal healthcare...we got stuck talking about fictional death panels and the like...and we've got these tea party crazies...and the birthers and all this RIGHT WING NONSENSE.

 

Obama could and should have answered back immediately and strongly to strangle the BS in it's crib. He should have called out Chuck Grassley, Sarah Palin, and the rest of the republicans for blatantly lying to theirconstituents about the legislation.

 

And he didn't. He INSISTED on bipartisanship. And anyone could see that the right wingers are not interested in that. They are not interest in helping THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WHO THEY WERE ELECTED TO SERVE...the republicans are all about self interest, power and re-election. They know they can block every piece of legislation because the democrats have NO ****ING BALLS! They know if they block everything in three years when Obama is up for re-election they will be able to say SEE! SEE HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING! When the reality is that the republicans are the ones responsible for it by throwing around their ****ty diapers. But that's politics..and that's the right wingers. Use religion, fear and ignorance to get people to vote against their own interests. Even when the right wingers at the top know what they say is nonsense..they know the millions of ignorant hicks in this country will buy it and vote for them.

 

Obama's mistake was trying to work with them in the first place after he had every indication that they had no interest in doing so. As we've seen every day. As we saw at the joint session of congress a few months back with the infamous "you lie" bit...and with this state of the union...the republicans are just playing dirty self serving politics. Obama's other mistake was not having the balls to call the republicans on their BS.

 

What I'd like to see is have ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AS WELL AS OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY stripped of their health care. No insurance. Until they can pass legislation for the American people. AND THEY MUST HAVE THE SAME COVERAGE THEY GIVE US.

 

THAT would get **** done...but no one in politics has to balls to do it.

 

I think we should also push the right wingers with what Representative Anthony ****** of NY suggested. If government run healthcare is SO bad...then forward legislation abolishing medicare...and let the republicans chew on their own **** for a while when they wont man up and DO WHAT THEY ***** ABOUT DOING EVERYDAY!

 

Because they KNOW if they take away medicare they wont get reelected..but that's what the ring wing pushed against ALL the time...no govt run programs. They are bad. Socialism etc.

 

Fine...get rid of Fire departments, policemen, the military, stop maintaining the roads and highways, bridges, no more public schools...etc.

 

**** right wingers.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

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This ^ and I live in Oklahoma and I'm around Republicans 24/7everyone in my family is Republican not too sound racist but I know from personal experience why they disagree with Obama and it's the only reason no if ands or buts around it.

 

Your biggot (sorry had to be said) family may be racist that does not imply all Right wing individuals are so. I am of both hispanic and middle-easten decent I still have my views about the president. I also have my views on the damn left side.

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most of his claims of accomplishments are ********. he hasn't create jobs' date=' he may have saved a few gov't jobs, thats all.

 

he's talking about how wall street **** the citizens... LOL gov't **** the citizens, Wall Street is the backbone of the economy. Raise taxes on big business = less growth, higher prices, no new jobs.

 

Go after the banks for money.... banks raise fees, give lower interest and charge higher rates.

 

you can't tax business Obama it comes back to the consumer!! the key to an economy is... RICH PEOPLE, Successful businesses and confident banks. If the people who write your checks are getting robbed by the gov't, how can they write your checks and hire new people?

 

Obama knows this, a ****ing HS sophomore who took economics knows this, Obama and the big gov't dems bank on the morons. Vote for me ill get you money and programs, ill get your family into the country, all while inflation rises and prices go up and jobs go scarce.[/quote']

 

 

Let me preface this by saying I like you. I think you give insightful comments regarding MMA and these outside MMA topics. But we are obviously not politically very similar.

 

That said...let's begin...

 

Obama did save jobs. Had we not gone forward with the stimulus plan small businesses would have suffered, they wouldn't have had sufficient credit to make payroll and that's the ball game for the workers.

 

Wall street DID **** us. The over-leveraging against assets ie...1:20...every dollar you invest we'll pretend is really 20. Is NOT sound economics..you are playing with money you don't have. Passing around "bad paper" aka...debts owed that the debtor cannot realistically pay back. And yet USING that "promised capital" as collateral against real money investments. A combination of high risk "investments" and toxic debt because of deregulation compounded and brought about by greed put us in this mess.

 

You and I didn't go making billions of dollars worth of bad investments...Wall Street did.

 

With taxing big business you can do it two ways.

 

Tax them..and use that to compensate for the **** wages of the employees who cant feed their children.

 

Don't tax them...PROVIDED they pay their employees a living ****ing wage.

 

I'd prefer the no tax and living wage option myself..because if you put in your work..you should be able to support yourself. And you shouldnt be made to feel like a burden on society if you are pulling your weight and doing your part. Fact is...wages are stagnant and we the common man can't keep up with the unrealistic expectations of profit from the major companies. The prices go up...but our wages haven't reflected that. In the 1950's you didn't have a credit card...you worked..and earned the money...and you paid cash for your car, your down payment on that house. And your house WAS NOT YOUR OWN PERSONAL BANK! That has REALLY ****ed us there too.

 

They ARE recouping the money from the banks...... the larger financial institutions have already paid the govt/taxpayer back hundreds of millions of dollars back...because they could continue to lend THANKS TO THE STIMULUS PLAN...and continue to take in that interest.

 

The fact that you said "rich people" are the answer shows you that you've bought the right wing line...they have YOU defending their "right" to be greedy.

 

You can tax business on their profits...their profits wouldnt be nearly as high..if more of that money was going to the WORKER who makes the business run in the first place. You make a little less, so 15 million instead of 20 this year...your workers can support themselves and buy goods and services...the CEO makes a few million less so he pays less in taxes. Everyone wins. I'm okay with rich people...good for millionaires...but it shouldn't come at the expensive of the REAL backbone of any economy.country...the people/worker...the guys on the lines...building the product...not the CEO on the golf course in spain to which he arrived in his private Lear.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

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i think what you said was addressed with his speech (not entirely) but for the most part he made allot of things clear .. now we have to wait and see is he holds true and the outcome of it .. like i said before we need not to blame anyone we need to just get it done.. find a way in which i think he will .. its been a year and he walked into a big pile of dooo dooo... we'll see ..just hope for the best and if not we know what changes we need to make with elections .. now to get others to realize that ...i think bigger buisness and "rich" people need to pay more taxes too... cry all you want but they can afford it .. it makes it harder for the lower class to get richer and start paying too when they are more heavily burdened from the start .. everyone has different views educated and uneducated .. gotta stay positive and start doing whats right

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i think what you said was addressed with his speech (not entirely) but for the most part he made allot of things clear .. now we have to wait and see is he holds true and the outcome of it .. like i said before we need not to blame anyone we need to just get it done.. find a way in which i think he will .. its been a year and he walked into a big pile of dooo dooo... we'll see ..just hope for the best and if not we know what changes we need to make with elections .. now to get others to realize that ...i think bigger buisness and "rich" people need to pay more taxes too... cry all you want but they can afford it .. it makes it harder for the lower class to get richer and start paying too when they are more heavily burdened from the start .. everyone has different views educated and uneducated .. gotta stay positive and start doing whats right

 

I totally appreciate your optimism...I truly do. I'd love nothing more than for Obama to succeed and get his agenda passed. That said...I know the reality...

 

During the joint sessions speech Obama SAID many things...and the republicans walked out of there and kept on with their BS. And Obama never stood up and fought for what he talked about...he wasn't seen anywhere fighting for his health care bill because he was too concerned about the political ramifications...he wants the house and senate to take the political hit...and he just wanted to sign it...well....news flash...THAT WONT WORK....he needs to use THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE to push the republicans..and he hasnt.

 

I truly hope you are right...but words...especially in this day and age..don't account for much when you are working against the criminally greedy and stupid.

 

 

Cheers sir

 

-DR

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Let me preface this by saying I like you. I think you give insightful comments regarding MMA and these outside MMA topics. But we are obviously not politically very similar.

 

That said...let's begin...

 

Obama did save jobs. Had we not gone forward with the stimulus plan small businesses would have suffered' date=' they wouldn't have had sufficient credit to make payroll and that's the ball game for the workers.

 

Wall street DID **** us. The over-leveraging against assets ie...1:20...every dollar you invest we'll pretend is really 20. Is NOT sound economics..you are playing with money you don't have. Passing around "bad paper" aka...debts owed that the debtor cannot realistically pay back. And yet USING that "promised capital" as collateral against real money investments. A combination of high risk "investments" and toxic debt because of deregulation compounded and brought about by greed put us in this mess.

 

You and I didn't go making billions of dollars worth of bad investments...Wall Street did.

 

With taxing big business you can do it two ways.

 

Tax them..and use that to compensate for the **** wages of the employees who cant feed their children.

 

Don't tax them...PROVIDED they pay their employees a living ****ing wage.

 

I'd prefer the no tax and living wage option myself..because if you put in your work..you should be able to support yourself. And you shouldnt be made to feel like a burden on society if you are pulling your weight and doing your part. Fact is...wages are stagnant and we the common man can't keep up with the unrealistic expectations of profit from the major companies. The prices go up...but our wages haven't reflected that. In the 1950's you didn't have a credit card...you worked..and earned the money...and you paid cash for your car, your down payment on that house. And your house WAS NOT YOUR OWN PERSONAL BANK! That has REALLY ****ed us there too.

 

They ARE recouping the money from the banks...... the larger financial institutions have already paid the govt/taxpayer back hundreds of millions of dollars back...because they could continue to lend THANKS TO THE STIMULUS PLAN...and continue to take in that interest.

 

The fact that you said "rich people" are the answer shows you that you've bought the right wing line...they have YOU defending their "right" to be greedy.

 

You can tax business on their profits...their profits wouldnt be nearly as high..if more of that money was going to the WORKER who makes the business run in the first place. You make a little less, so 15 million instead of 20 this year...your workers can support themselves and buy goods and services...the CEO makes a few million less so he pays less in taxes. Everyone wins. I'm okay with rich people...good for millionaires...but it shouldn't come at the expensive of the REAL backbone of any economy.country...the people/worker...the guys on the lines...building the product...not the CEO on the golf course in spain to which he arrived in his private Lear.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

rich /= greedy, those dems you elected have more than 98% of americans. are they greedy (imo yes but not as a rule)

 

did some firms make bad financial decisions? yes, and as a result of bad business, they would and should have failed...

 

as for living wages, who's not making a living wage? show me and i can probably point to a decision that they made that put them there. that in conjunction with rising costs and inflation.

 

I'm not a republican BTW i just think they make better financial decisions (not the wars of course) i hate the bible thumping control aspect of them. that and partisan politics sux. if i was to describe myself politically it would be libertarian.

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I realize my initial post in this thread could be misinterpreted. First let me say I was a fervent Obama supporter. I followed and campaigned for the man for 2 years prior to his election. And I remember predicting way back during that first keynote address he gave in 2004 that he would be the first African American President' date=' I just didn't expect it to happen so soon, nor did anyone else who follows politics closely.

 

I say that just to give you some background. If you've been following Obama for a while, you know he is quite possibly the greatest speaker of our generation, his speeches are like prose moving and at times beautiful.

 

Here's where I have my problem. He decided to make health care his big item on his agenda, and I agreed with that totally. But then...he faded into the background, we didn't hear a peep from him. As Fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and all the republicans in congress controlled the national dialogue on the issue.

 

Instead of talking about the REAL WORLD costs and benefits of universal healthcare...we got stuck talking about fictional death panels and the like...and we've got these tea party crazies...and the birthers and all this RIGHT WING NONSENSE.

 

Obama could and should have answered back immediately and strongly to strangle the BS in it's crib. He should have called out Chuck Grassley, Sarah Palin, and the rest of the republicans for blatantly lying to theirconstituents about the legislation.

 

And he didn't. He INSISTED on bipartisanship. And anyone could see that the right wingers are not interested in that. They are not interest in helping THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WHO THEY WERE ELECTED TO SERVE...the republicans are all about self interest, power and re-election. They know they can block every piece of legislation because the democrats have NO ****ING BALLS! They know if they block everything in three years when Obama is up for re-election they will be able to say SEE! SEE HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING! When the reality is that the republicans are the ones responsible for it by throwing around their ****ty diapers. But that's politics..and that's the right wingers. Use religion, fear and ignorance to get people to vote against their own interests. Even when the right wingers at the top know what they say is nonsense..they know the millions of ignorant hicks in this country will buy it and vote for them.

 

Obama's mistake was trying to work with them in the first place after he had every indication that they had no interest in doing so. As we've seen every day. As we saw at the joint session of congress a few months back with the infamous "you lie" bit...and with this state of the union...the republicans are just playing dirty self serving politics. Obama's other mistake was not having the balls to call the republicans on their BS.

 

What I'd like to see is have ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AS WELL AS OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY stripped of their health care. No insurance. Until they can pass legislation for the American people. AND THEY MUST HAVE THE SAME COVERAGE THEY GIVE US.

 

THAT would get **** done...but no one in politics has to balls to do it.

 

I think we should also push the right wingers with what Representative Anthony ****** of NY suggested. If government run healthcare is SO bad...then forward legislation abolishing medicare...and let the republicans chew on their own **** for a while when they wont man up and DO WHAT THEY ***** ABOUT DOING EVERYDAY!

 

Because they KNOW if they take away medicare they wont get reelected..but that's what the ring wing pushed against ALL the time...no govt run programs. They are bad. Socialism etc.

 

Fine...get rid of Fire departments, policemen, the military, stop maintaining the roads and highways, bridges, no more public schools...etc.

 

**** right wingers.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

DR, this is the most articulate and brilliant thing you have ever posted!!!!

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rich /= greedy' date=' those dems you elected have more than 98% of americans. are they greedy (imo yes but not as a rule)

 

did some firms make bad financial decisions? yes, and as a result of bad business, they would and should have failed...

 

as for living wages, who's not making a living wage? show me and i can probably point to a decision that they made that put them there. that in conjunction with rising costs and inflation.

 

I'm not a republican BTW i just think they make better financial decisions (not the wars of course) i hate the bible thumping control aspect of them. that and partisan politics sux. if i was to describe myself politically it would be libertarian.[/quote']

 

 

Goodevening/Morning sir.

 

As I said in my previous post and in that other thread about "Strange lights" UFO's whatever...I like you...I think you are a bright an intelligent dude.

 

As for responding to this most recent post you made. It's late and I should sleep. *chuckle* And we've both said our peace on the issue, I'm sure we could go back an forth on alot of this political crap. In the end I think we'd both want the same outcome..we probably just disagree on how to get there.

 

Are dems greedy too? Yeah...there are some..it almost takes a touch of that kind of mentality to enter and be successful in politics in the first place I suppose. But I think their agenda...and their goals are more populist..I don't think they are working for the big corporations as much as the R's are. But there are several cases where dems serve their interest over the people too. It's politics man...I really think it's a broken system in many ways. You shouldn't get rich from it...you shouldn't be allowed to make a career out of it...when you got a select group spending 40 years in congress...it's just too much power and influence for a person or group to have...and after a while...almost regardless of party...that has to go to your head..we need greater accountability and transparency.

 

Dems are also dead wrong in my view on guns rights and the death penalty among other things...so they are far from perfect in my view...but of the 2 major choices...they are the ones I go with I suppose..

 

 

As for wages....some people don't make the right decisions and suffer for it. But others...put in there 60 hours a week and still struggle...and that I have a problem with. I don't care WHAT you do..if you are putting in 60 hours a week you should be comfortable. At 40 fine...enough to survive...but at 60 you should be comfortable. Either way it should be livable...but here in CA especially...it's rough for alot of people.

 

Libertarian...I can respect that...and in many ways I identify with that philosophy..not in all ways..but many...

 

IE...if you are a grown man or woman...of sound mind...you should be free to live AS YOU WISH provided you are not hurting or endangering another person...

 

Again...let me reiterate..I respect you and like you as a person...politics ****ing blow man....*chuckle*

 

Have a pleasant evening sir..take care

 

Cheers

 

-DR

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i just find it funny that people say screw republican or democrats as a whole .. from what i see both sides have their good and bad ... but to out the whole democratic or republican party IMO is absurd .. thats where a major problem lies ...nobody wants to work together they just want to choose sides and have the im right attitude

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i just find it funny that people say screw republican or democrats as a whole .. from what i see both sides have their good and bad ... but to out the whole democratic or republican party IMO is absurd .. thats where a major problem lies ...nobody wants to work together they just want to choose sides and have the im right attitude

 

 

This is why Militatry Service should be required to serve in ploitics. 1 you get to learn what it is like to be a troop (so in theory you will be less likely to throw their lives away). And 2 you learn team work is essential on day 1... Without teamwork the mission fails.

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This is why Militatry Service should be required to serve in ploitics. 1 you get to learn what it is like to be a troop (so in thoery you will be less likely to throw their lives away). And 2 you learn team work is essential on day 1... Without teamwork the mission fails.

 

interesting !!

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This is why Militatry Service should be required to serve in ploitics. 1 you get to learn what it is like to be a troop (so in theory you will be less likely to throw their lives away). And 2 you learn team work is essential on day 1... Without teamwork the mission fails.

 

Couldn't agree more. I wish we would have taken Washington's word 200 years ago about party's. I'm only democratic because I feel like I'm choosing the lesser of two evils. I would be independent if I could vote on the primary's.

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Couldn't agree more. I wish we would have taken Washington's word 200 years ago about party's. I'm only democratic because I feel like I'm choosing the lesser of two evils. I would be independent if I could vote on the primary's.

 

The democrats have got alot of issues I belive stongly about wrong, as do the republicans, which Is why im Independant but will never vote for a democrat (or anyone else) that believes gun contol is needed (probobly the issue I am most swayed by). I also wont vote for a republican who does not campagn agaisnt all out ban of abortion or using aborted fetuses for stell cell resurch. Either outlaw abortion or make use of the by-product.

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There are some pretty heavily opinionated views in here to say the least. To preface, I'm a Republican, my family is Republican. With that said, there shouldn't be so much animosity towards the other party from any citizen in the US. A house divided, cannot stand. That is the basic concept of our country's foundation. To see such bickering back and forth between regular people like anyone posting in this thread is ridiculous. Republican citizens are not directly responsible for the rhetoric and propeganda proposed by Republicans to gain favor and shouldn't be treated as if they did. Just like Democratic citizens aren't responsible for the rhetoric and propeganda the Democrats propose to gain the public's favor and shouldn't be treated as such. If you honestly get this wrapped up around the axle over what a politician says publically you're completely oblivious to actual politics.

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The democrats have got alot of issues I belive stongly about wrong' date=' as do the republicans, which Is why im Independant but will never vote for a democrat (or anyone else) that believes gun contol is needed (probobly the issue I am most swayed by). I also wont vote for a republican who does not campagn agaisnt all out ban of abortion or using aborted fetuses for stell cell resurch. Either outlaw abortion or make use of the by-product.[/quote']

 

:D That's one of the few conservative views I have is I don't believe in gun control. I just feel we should enforce the gun laws we have now. I also believe the death penalty should be used WAY more often. In my opinion justice should be "eye for an eye tooth for a tooth". So see I'm not way left I'm central left.

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I realize my initial post in this thread could be misinterpreted. First let me say I was a fervent Obama supporter. I followed and campaigned for the man for 2 years prior to his election. And I remember predicting way back during that first keynote address he gave in 2004 that he would be the first African American President' date=' I just didn't expect it to happen so soon, nor did anyone else who follows politics closely.

 

I say that just to give you some background. If you've been following Obama for a while, you know he is quite possibly the greatest speaker of our generation, his speeches are like prose moving and at times beautiful.

 

Here's where I have my problem. He decided to make health care his big item on his agenda, and I agreed with that totally. But then...he faded into the background, we didn't hear a peep from him. As Fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and all the republicans in congress controlled the national dialogue on the issue.

 

Instead of talking about the REAL WORLD costs and benefits of universal healthcare...we got stuck talking about fictional death panels and the like...and we've got these tea party crazies...and the birthers and all this RIGHT WING NONSENSE.

 

Obama could and should have answered back immediately and strongly to strangle the BS in it's crib. He should have called out Chuck Grassley, Sarah Palin, and the rest of the republicans for blatantly lying to theirconstituents about the legislation.

 

And he didn't. He INSISTED on bipartisanship. And anyone could see that the right wingers are not interested in that. They are not interest in helping THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WHO THEY WERE ELECTED TO SERVE...the republicans are all about self interest, power and re-election. They know they can block every piece of legislation because the democrats have NO ****ING BALLS! They know if they block everything in three years when Obama is up for re-election they will be able to say SEE! SEE HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING! When the reality is that the republicans are the ones responsible for it by throwing around their ****ty diapers. But that's politics..and that's the right wingers. Use religion, fear and ignorance to get people to vote against their own interests. Even when the right wingers at the top know what they say is nonsense..they know the millions of ignorant hicks in this country will buy it and vote for them.

 

Obama's mistake was trying to work with them in the first place after he had every indication that they had no interest in doing so. As we've seen every day. As we saw at the joint session of congress a few months back with the infamous "you lie" bit...and with this state of the union...the republicans are just playing dirty self serving politics. Obama's other mistake was not having the balls to call the republicans on their BS.

 

What I'd like to see is have ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AS WELL AS OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY stripped of their health care. No insurance. Until they can pass legislation for the American people. AND THEY MUST HAVE THE SAME COVERAGE THEY GIVE US.

 

THAT would get **** done...but no one in politics has to balls to do it.

 

I think we should also push the right wingers with what Representative Anthony ****** of NY suggested. If government run healthcare is SO bad...then forward legislation abolishing medicare...and let the republicans chew on their own **** for a while when they wont man up and DO WHAT THEY ***** ABOUT DOING EVERYDAY!

 

Because they KNOW if they take away medicare they wont get reelected..but that's what the ring wing pushed against ALL the time...no govt run programs. They are bad. Socialism etc.

 

Fine...get rid of Fire departments, policemen, the military, stop maintaining the roads and highways, bridges, no more public schools...etc.

 

**** right wingers.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

Maybe right wingers understand economic policy, everything that has been introduced promotes inefficiency in capital markets ( the government is the most irresponsible spenders throughout history and just thru money at the problem rather than fix it, that being democrats and as of recent republicans) Why does Fannie Mae and freddie Mac get an unlimited amount of taxpayer money and that goes with out criticism, again a government sponsored program that promotes inefficiency

"In 1999, Fannie Mae came under pressure from the Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans to low and moderate income borrowers by increasing the ratios of their loan portfolios in distressed inner city areas designated in the CRA of 1977.[10] Because of the increased ratio requirements, institutions in the primary mortgage market pressed Fannie Mae to ease credit requirements on the mortgages it was willing to purchase, enabling them to make loans to subprime borrowers at interest rates higher than conventional loans. Shareholders also pressured Fannie Mae to maintain its record profits.[10]" This is what crippled our financial institutions (a bill Obama voted for) and now supported by tax payers

....Everything you say in every post is what you "think" or "feel" develop a couple opinions based on knowledge, everyone is not irrational on their opinions and maybe right wingers know what these policies will do to further cripple our economy

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I love Obama...after 8 years of that imbecilic war monger who helped drive your country into ground you all should too :)

 

Republicans are the most easily manipulated group of sheep I've ever seen.

 

Hmmm... Generalization, check! Bush bashing, check! "Your country" foreigner criticizing American politics, check! General lack of understanding of the American political system, check!

 

Keep you opinions about my countries politics respectful please.

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I love Obama...after 8 years of that imbecilic war monger who helped drive your country into ground you all should too :)

 

Republicans are the most easily manipulated group of sheep I've ever seen.

 

Refer to the post right before the one above...." You Love Obama.....Republicans easily manipulated" Quit watching TV!!, again everything you just said has zero knowledge and is all based on feelings......Which has been a trend in the democratic party answer the hows and whys with alittle bit of knowledge and maybe your opinion will count for something

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speech went something like this.

 

 

blah blah blah, lie lie lie, blah blah, lie, blah, possible truth, blah blah, put the blame somewhere, blah blah

 

Democrats cheer, repubs remain solemn, so much for the president who said he would run a bi-partisan presidency.

 

 

all in good fun of course.

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OBama is screwed. He has made the biggest mistake you can make' date=' which is to try to get something done. Washington is about riding the wave and stuffing your pockets and they don;t like anyone who goes against the grain.

 

This guy will never get reelected.[/quote']

 

i dont agree .. if ( let me make it a big IF ) things change for the better and the public see's it for good then of course he'll be back .. allot of seats in government may not be happy but thats tough .. clinton managed to make it 8 years so i dont see why Obama couldnt

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i dont agree .. if ( let me make it a big IF ) things change for the better and the public see's it for good then of course he'll be back .. allot of seats in government may not be happy but thats tough .. clinton managed to make it 8 years so i dont see why Obama couldnt

 

Clinton was not in charge of a flaming bag of poop like this economy.

 

There is no way this economy gets better. It is only going to get worse. And Obama is the poster child for it.

 

He's done.

 

He made a hell of on effort, but in the end the massive inertia of Washington csimply cannot be moved or spurred into action.

 

His only chance is to start another war, and he is simply not the guy to do that.

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I think Obama is doing his best for what he has. But lets face it Bush f****d up America big time.

 

What this line of thinking fails to recognize the vast contributions from Dems and repubs alike that got us in many messes. All Dems seem to be able to do is turn the blame on Bush and repubs, while not recognizing their own parties contributions to the growing problems. Pre election, most dems seem to be focussed on the big sins of Bush, War and Spending. Well here is a reality check, Obama has outspent Bush, and any other president in HISTORY in his first year and office, and guess what, we are still at war. So no change there except more of the same, in spades. But I guess its ok now that their "man" is doing it and in office. Thinking along party lines like this is a major problem.

 

The real problem is this, Over government spending, over taxation, debt, over government reaching. Heck, Congress recently went to Denmark, and guess how much that cost the Amercian tax payers? like 1 Mill. on what? food, lodging, entertainment.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/25/cbsnews_investigates/main6140406.shtml

 

Thats right, this is serious. Without getting more money in the hands of the people, over taxing them, then alot of problems will not go away. As it is now, we are in debt big time, this debt has to be paid by someone. When you owe money, you don't go charge more money to try to fix that problem, and this is exactly what Obama and our government is doing. Major fail and insanity.

 

So Obama has lied, he promised no break for special interest groups, all the while giving unions and such tax breaks that the american people will not get. He is overspending and creating more debt, which will NEVER solve a financial mess.

 

I for one want most of our politicians to get fired.

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I think Obama is doing his best for what he has. But lets face it Bush f****d up America big time.

 

I love how people put decades of political nightmares on Bush. Our government has been ****ing things up since the Vietnam era. I guess it's just easier to pick an unpopular candidate and place the cause of all of our countries problems on him, huh?

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What this line of thinking fails to recognize the vast contributions from Dems and repubs alike that got us in many messes. All Dems seem to be able to do is turn the blame on Bush and repubs' date=' while not recognizing their own parties contributions to the growing problems. Pre election, most dems seem to be focussed on the big sins of Bush, War and Spending. Well here is a reality check, Obama has outspent Bush, and any other president in HISTORY in his first year and office, and guess what, we are still at war. So no change there except more of the same, in spades. But I guess its ok now that their "man" is doing it and in office. Thinking along party lines like this is a major problem.

 

The real problem is this, Over government spending, over taxation, debt, over government reaching. Heck, Congress recently went to Denmark, and guess how much that cost the Amercian tax payers? like 1 Mill. on what? food, lodging, entertainment.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/25/cbsnews_investigates/main6140406.shtml

 

Thats right, this is serious. Without getting more money in the hands of the people, over taxing them, then alot of problems will not go away. As it is now, we are in debt big time, this debt has to be paid by someone. When you owe money, you don't go charge more money to try to fix that problem, and this is exactly what Obama and our government is doing. Major fail and insanity.

 

So Obama has lied, he promised no break for special interest groups, all the while giving unions and such tax breaks that the american people will not get. He is overspending and creating more debt, which will NEVER solve a financial mess.

 

I for one want most of our politicians to get fired.[/quote']

 

You seem to be forgeting the major issue here. Bush wasn't charismatic, so he didn't gain the popular opinion. Meanwhile, Obama is a silver tongued devil and hasn't changed a damn thing since he's been in office, yet he's won a Noble Prize and has every arm chair politician in America cheering for him.

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Its a dam shame people insist on judging Bush on his horrednous record of failure.

 

Worst - President - Ever.

 

All of America's problem did not spawn in the last 8 years... Sorry, they just didn't. Like I said, he was an unpopular figure so the finger of blame can be pointed at him with ease. Granted he wasn't the greatest American president, but he was far from a missle/army pointing, uneducated, coke sniffing reject the general American non-voting public makes him out to be.

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All of America's problem did not spawn in the last 8 years... Sorry' date=' they just didn't. Like I said, he was an unpopular figure so the finger of blame can be pointed at him with ease. Granted he wasn't the greatest American president, but he was far from a missle/army pointing, uneducated, coke sniffing reject the general American non-voting public makes him out to be.[/quote']

 

Unfortunately none of the resolutions started in the last 8 years either.

 

Obama should have known better than to try and fix things.

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In short he comes off as very ideologic and ambitious. I'm going to reserve my judgements for a while longer although I don't see alot of the things he claims he will do actually occuring but it's not as if he's the only one in history guilty of making big claims and failing to execute.

 

The one thing that really stood out to me I liked was giving 30billion to local banks. That would be something I'd like to see to stimulate economic growth in areas not so metropolitan like where I live.

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During the joint sessions speech Obama SAID many things...and the republicans walked out of there and kept on with their BS. And Obama never stood up and fought for what he talked about...he wasn't seen anywhere fighting for his health care bill because he was too concerned about the political ramifications...he wants the house and senate to take the political hit...and he just wanted to sign it...well....news flash...THAT WONT WORK....he needs to use THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE to push the republicans..and he hasnt.-DR

 

In Obama's speech' date=' and forgive me if I misinterpreted as I am far from a politcal genious, didn't he more or less say we need to put aside politics and move forward in doing what must be done? Right here is an example of "do what I say not as I do" which surely isn't going to stimulate the remainder of the political party to "do as I say". Would you agree?

 

I truly hope you are right...but words...especially in this day and age..don't account for much when you are working against the criminally greedy and stupid.

-DR

 

That's the biggest problem, it's all just words from him. Sure he's a great speaker and I knew that when watching the debates against McCain. But what result in a position of required action does that really get you? I for one hope he succeeds regardless of his political party, race, last name, whatever as I'm a proud American and love this country.

 

I voted for John McCain because I felt his past history showed taken action, not sitting around talking about it. I can't say for certain he would have done a better job, less of a job, or equal of a job but that's why I voted for him.

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Unfortunately none of the resolutions started in the last 8 years either.

 

Obama should have known better than to try and fix things.

 

 

 

Actually, not defending Bush, but he did try to implement measures which would help with the housing and banking area, but it was voted down by the dems. There were a few things that he tried to do when he saw warning signs, but funny enough, some of the dems now in control said that "all was well"

 

this is all true.

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most of his claims of accomplishments are ********. he hasn't create jobs' date=' he may have saved a few gov't jobs, thats all.

 

he's talking about how wall street **** the citizens... LOL gov't **** the citizens, Wall Street is the backbone of the economy. Raise taxes on big business = less growth, higher prices, no new jobs.

 

Go after the banks for money.... banks raise fees, give lower interest and charge higher rates.

 

you can't tax business Obama it comes back to the consumer!! the key to an economy is... RICH PEOPLE, Successful businesses and confident banks. If the people who write your checks are getting robbed by the gov't, how can they write your checks and hire new people?

 

Obama knows this, a ****ing HS sophomore who took economics knows this, Obama and the big gov't dems bank on the morons. Vote for me ill get you money and programs, ill get your family into the country, all while inflation rises and prices go up and jobs go scarce.[/quote']

 

+1. I am not a republican by any means but it makes sense that taxing big business is only going to hurt the middle and working class. Most people work for big companies or at the least buy goods or services from these companies. Higher taxes mean that less money for employees, cut in benefits and higher prices for goods and services. Citizens have to balance their checkbook, it's time for government to do so, or else just give up the whole idea of capitalism and become socailist.

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both democrats and republicans r awful and roughly the same

 

both sides have good and bad ..thats been stated many times ..to say all of one group is bad is just false and poor judgment

 

be like saying a guy at training camp X used roids .. so now Camp X are a bunch of roid users .. no the dumb **** who did it is the idiot .. not all of them

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In reality nothing will change too much unless both parties are voted out.

 

That being said I am a registered republican. I want to see Obama succeed, who doesn't I want America to be a better country, I dont care who makes it better.

 

I disagree with a lot of Obama's policies and I think he is a great speaker and to many people like him just because he is good at speaking to the people. Listen to some of the things he says. He brags about creating 2 million jobs, that is good and all, but not when a lot more than 2 million people have lost their jobs.

 

And there are many other things I dont agree with. Also there are a lot of things republicans do and have done that I dont agree with. I just support them more as a party than I do the democrats.

 

But for those who are saying **** right wingers and ****left wingers, that is the problem and will be for a while saddly. There is no cooperation and that is one of the things killing this country.

 

And as for the economy its really the peoples fault, in regards to the crashing housing market. Watch the documentary HOUSE OF CARDS It is very very insightful on how we got to where we are today.

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both sides have good and bad ..thats been stated many times ..to say all of one group is bad is just false and poor judgment

 

be like saying a guy at training camp X used roids .. so now Camp X are a bunch of roid users .. no the dumb **** who did it is the idiot .. not all of them

 

Two parties is not enough to represent the interests of this country. Both sides have flaws and it seems to some people that you either have to be one or the other which most people seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Rational thinking that crosses party lines would be a start IMO. Not undermining ever idea a person has based upon his party and just looking at what is best for the nation, but I know I am not the first with this idea, not even close.

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