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where is the glory in this? to say you are a 3x 4x 5x champion? that means youve lost the belt 3,4,5 times homie.

 

if they glorify this then why cant anderson silva be a 6x MW champion? effectively its the same thing except he has never lost the title, but he puts it on the line every time, just because he doesnt lose that mean he will forever be a 1x world champ so why not say anderson silva is the 6x world MW champion. hes won that MW belt 6 times.

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because technically he's not rewinning it each time he fights. he''s just defending it. he already has it.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.

 

yeah but its on the line each time he has to win it.

 

i just dont see the sense in glorifying a multiple time world champion if hes lost the belt 3,4,5 times.

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I see what you're saying. It's more for show. It's like picking up a chick with a tongue ring and thinking "she must suck some good **** d-ick" then you get home and she gives you a wet hang job and doesn't even let you bust a nut in her mouth.

While on the other' date=' hand if a fighter wins the belt and defends every time, but is only called a 1x champion, when you look further you see that he dominated once he got the belt. This is like meeting a plane Jane gal at Powell books and thinking "she seems like good girlfriend material" but when you get home she starts taking you ba-lls deep and lets you nut on her face while you sucks you dry.

 

I hope that made sense.

 

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thats a weird analogy homie, i think i understand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yeah but its on the line each time he has to win it.

 

i just dont see the sense in glorifying a multiple time world champion if hes lost the belt 3' date='4,5 times.[/quote']

 

I get what you are saying. But he's not winning it. He is just keeping it. It's already his he just has to keep people form taking it. But you take a guy like Randy who has won the belt, lost it, but then came back to win it again multiple times. Showing that even though he may have lost it, he can still come back and win it again. That why he's glorified the way he is.

 

Unlike someone like Tito for instance, that, won it, lost it, and will probably never have it again.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.

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What I like most about this thread is that the OP got the TRUE number of title defenses right for A. Silva...any student of the sport will always tack an additional win on Silva's title defense streak whatever it ends up being.

 

Cheers for that sir.

 

-DR

 

 

well imo its 6, i count the one where the other dude didnt make weight who was that again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

zip it up and zip it out

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well imo its 6' date=' i count the one where the other dude didnt make weight who was that again?[/quote']

 

Travis Lutter.

 

And I count it as well...up until the day before the actual fight.."weigh in day" it was a title fight. Everyone knew it. Both fighters knew it. So for me....it counts as a defense...because Silva won the fight...and had Lutter made his weight Silva's record would reflect that and he'd already be known as the most dominant champ in history. As of now officially it's a 3 way tie. And it shouldn't be.

 

Cheers

 

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I get what you are saying. But he's not winning it. He is just keeping it. It's already his he just has to keep people form taking it. But you take a guy like Randy who has won the belt' date=' lost it, but then came back to win it again multiple times. Showing that even though he may have lost it, he can still come back and win it again. That why he's glorified the way he is.

 

Unlike someone like Tito for instance, that, won it, lost it, and will probably never have it again.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.[/quote']

 

 

 

everytime its on the line it should be classed as winning another championship IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-zip it up and zip it out

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everytime its on the line it should be classed as winning another championship IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-zip it up and zip it out

 

lol well you can look at it like that if you want. people just prefer to call it 'defending' since he already has it.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.

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lol well you can look at it like that if you want. people just prefer to call it 'defending' since he already has it.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.

 

i make my oen rules i will forever be refering to silva as 5,6,7 time world champion from now on. same for gsp bj penn and so on..... im gonna get this sh!t poppin homie....lol

 

 

 

 

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I agree that every defence should be counted as another win of the title. All this talk of a 5 time world champ reminds me of wwe! Rick flair winning 16 championships or some **** like that! That would mean he lost it that many times! Gotta give credit to randy coming back and winning it all those times though i guess

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*chuckle*

 

Right. But which one do you think Franklin would rather fight again?

 

I KNOW the answer. And you should too.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

 

A Silva Vs Franklin 1 and 2 were some of the worst examples of clinch defence ever. the only other thing that comes to mind is Rampage vs Shogun and Wandy.

 

The Thai Clinch will fug you up quick.

 

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nope vicious_elbows was uwillsubmit's new account while my account was suspended

 

 

why do you ask?

 

note my sig. I also had your "Daddy vs Sotrilopulus winner gets BJ" as my sig for a while due to its rediculous inplication as well as its perverted additional meaning. Now that I have confirmed I shall alter my sig again, as you are not gone.

 

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note my sig. I also had your "Daddy vs Sotrilopulus winner gets BJ" as my sig for a while due to its rediculous inplication as well as its perverted additional meaning. Now that I have confirmed I shall alter my sig again' date=' as you are not gone.

 

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ohh lol, well im back well i never really left.....

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I see what you're saying. It's more for show. It's like picking up a chick with a tongue ring and thinking "she must suck some good **** d-ick" then you get home and she gives you a wet hang job and doesn't even let you bust a nut in her mouth.

While on the other' date=' hand if a fighter wins the belt and defends every time, but is only called a 1x champion, when you look further you see that he dominated once he got the belt. This is like meeting a plane Jane gal at Powell books and thinking "she seems like good girlfriend material" but when you get home she starts taking you ba-lls deep and lets you nut on her face while you sucks you dry.

 

I hope that made sense.

 

-I remember my first beer[/quote']

 

Too funny, great analogy

 

I've tried both and the librarian is definetly the closet freak in the bed.

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where is the glory in this? To say you are a 3x 4x 5x champion? That means youve lost the belt 3' date='4,5 times homie.

 

If they glorify this then why cant anderson silva be a 6x mw champion? Effectively its the same thing except he has never lost the title, but he puts it on the line every time, just because he doesnt lose that mean he will forever be a 1x world champ so why not say anderson silva is the 6x world mw champion. Hes won that mw belt 6 times.[/quote']

 

sounds like you have a problem with randy couture

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thats a weird analogy homie' date=' i think i understand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- zip it up and zip it out[/quote']

 

That is a stupid thing to put on this forum, wheather you are quoting it or not, the fact is that there are lots of youngsters on this forum and that kinda talk is very inappropriate......Try havein a little more common sense next time you post something..This post is about his previous quoted post

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where is the glory in this? to say you are a 3x 4x 5x champion? that means youve lost the belt 3' date='4,5 times homie.

 

if they glorify this then why cant anderson silva be a 6x MW champion? effectively its the same thing except he has never lost the title, but he puts it on the line every time, just because he doesnt lose that mean he will forever be a 1x world champ so why not say anderson silva is the 6x world MW champion. hes won that MW belt 6 times.[/quote']

 

Every fighter loses their belt at some point, to be able to claim it again and multiple times at that, thats just the heart of a champion right there.

 

For anderson silva it is just a matter of time but, if you're sad he wont have a title as epic sounding as Randy's don't worry he IS the P4P best fighter and in a few years he will go down in MMA as that. I love GSP but I think he is suited for WW.

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It may sound better to the newer fans but I think when people look closer you will be able to tell who was the better fighter.

 

Randy is the man and deserves his due credit for winning multiple belts multiple times. But Anderson may win Multiple belts and never lose them. Looks better to me.

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i make my oen rules i will forever be refering to silva as 5' date='6,7 time world champion from now on. same for gsp bj penn and so on..... im gonna get this sh!t poppin homie....lol

 

 

 

 

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will you stfu with the "homie" BS. every post your keep saying "homie" wtf does homie mean anyways?

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It's a fair point that a 'multi-time' champion has also lost the belt a few times. However, being a three or four time champ is surely better than being a guy who wins a belt, defends it once, then loses it?

 

The number of total, succesful defences/wins should be the marker of success, essentially meaning the number of wins against belt-worthy, elite opposition.

 

The thing is, the only truly celebrated 'multi-time champion' is Randy Couture (BJ Penn's welterweight reign seems almost forgotten, and many forget he's in his second stint as 155 champ) and his five wins have often been as the underdog, and while he's never really put that dominant streak together, he's been there-or-there-about for over ten years and he is celebrated as much for his continued good form and 'ambassadorial' attitude and conduct as much for dominating his weight class.

 

Who else is talked of in similar terms? Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz who dominated their divisions with a run of defences, and now Anderson Silva (one reign and lots of defences), GSP (two reigns and a superb comeback from an upset) and perhaps BJ Penn (three reigns over two weight classes.)

 

I'd say those five or six are pretty much the elite for UFC in the modern era and each exemplifies the qualities implicit in the true meaning of the word CHAMPION.

 

They are the benchmark, either in dominance, entertainment, awe inspiring talent or conduct and the best of them (GSP) exempify more than one of these characteristics, and that is the bar that our aspiring challengers or new-found champions need to aim for.

 

Who else can make it?

 

In my view - Nate Marquadt is the whole package, and is humble outside the cage as well, so he's my pick for future HoF...

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I get what you are saying. But he's not winning it. He is just keeping it. It's already his he just has to keep people form taking it. But you take a guy like Randy who has won the belt' date=' lost it, but then came back to win it again multiple times. Showing that even though he may have lost it, he can still come back and win it again. That why he's glorified the way he is.

 

Unlike someone like Tito for instance, that, won it, lost it, and will probably never have it again.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.[/quote']

 

Plus, defending a title is just winning a fight, regaining is is working your way back up to a title shot. So people like Randy have lost it 3,4,5 times, but then gone down the hard road of getting it back 3,4,5 times. Winning a title again and again is almost as impressive as dominating

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yeah but its on the line each time he has to win it.

 

i just dont see the sense in glorifying a multiple time world champion if hes lost the belt 3' date='4,5 times.[/quote']

 

Cause although he maybe lost it that many times, he won it that many times from someone who had the belt and proved them self to be championship material. Yeah it's nothing to say when compared to someone like A. Silva, but in a division where the belt changes hands plenty of times, yes, it's something to say.

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It's a fair point that a 'multi-time' champion has also lost the belt a few times. However' date=' being a three or four time champ is surely better than being a guy who wins a belt, defends it once, then loses it?

 

The number of total, succesful defences/wins should be the marker of success, essentially meaning the number of wins against belt-worthy, elite opposition.

 

The thing is, the only truly celebrated 'multi-time champion' is Randy Couture (BJ Penn's welterweight reign seems almost forgotten, and many forget he's in his second stint as 155 champ) and his five wins have often been as the underdog, and while he's never really put that dominant streak together, he's been there-or-there-about for over ten years and he is celebrated as much for his continued good form and 'ambassadorial' attitude and conduct as much for dominating his weight class.

 

Who else is talked of in similar terms? Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz who dominated their divisions with a run of defences, and now Anderson Silva (one reign and lots of defences), GSP (two reigns and a superb comeback from an upset) and perhaps BJ Penn (three reigns over two weight classes.)

 

I'd say those five or six are pretty much the elite for UFC in the modern era and each exemplifies the qualities implicit in the true meaning of the word CHAMPION.

 

They are the benchmark, either in dominance, entertainment, awe inspiring talent or conduct and the best of them (GSP) exempify more than one of these characteristics, and that is the bar that our aspiring challengers or new-found champions need to aim for.

 

Who else can make it?

 

In my view - Nate Marquadt is the whole package, and is humble outside the cage as well, so he's my pick for future HoF...[/quote']

 

BJ Penn has only won the LW belt once. He has defended it since he got it. His first fight with Jens Pulver was his first title shot, then his draw with Caol Uno was for a vacant title, no one won it so the division folded. Then BJ won the title after it was stripped from Sherk for banned substances. BJ has been champion twice, not three times.

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Thank you for a thread sir. Finally something more productive to read than countless Lesnar/Penn threads. You're right if winning a title multiple times is glorified then its only fair that defending a title would be glorified as well. Its well known that its harder to defend than win. So something like: 3x 4x 5x defending champion of the world...... would be appropriate.

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will you stfu with the "homie" BS. every post your keep saying "homie" wtf does homie mean anyways?

 

it means friend or buddy. I guess they don't use that on the East coast dude. (Your profile shows your from NY)

 

I don't really care if they say 3x champ or whatever because he isn't the champ now. I understand it's just giving him prop's though.

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Thank you for a thread sir. Finally something more productive to read than countless Lesnar/Penn threads. You're right if winning a title multiple times is glorified then its only fair that defending a title would be glorified as well. Its well known that its harder to defend than win. So something like: 3x 4x 5x defending champion of the world...... would be appropriate.

 

The thing is, you can defend against cans all day, but to win it from someone who is obviously championship material is something else

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The thing is' date=' you can defend against cans all day, but to win it from someone who is obviously championship material is something else[/quote']

 

And what good comes of it if you win it and then lose it next fight? Nobody defends against cans. Those title challengers are there for a reason.

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the thread starter obviously has never heard the phrase

 

There is always somebody better than u

 

and that is good for MMA itd be boring if Anderson was the best somebodys going to come along and dethrown Anderson we just havent found the person that is better than him yet but there must be somebody an up and comer maybe???

 

someone out there has to be better than anderson

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That is a stupid thing to put on this forum' date=' wheather you are quoting it or not, the fact is that there are lots of youngsters on this forum and that kinda talk is very inappropriate......Try havein a little more common sense next time you post something..This post is about his previous quoted post[/quote']

 

ok you are an idiot

 

will you stfu with the "homie" BS. every post your keep saying "homie" wtf does homie mean anyways?

 

 

and you sir need to hop off my nuts homie

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