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the general consensus on here is a gsp ground and pound or submission victory. however, i can see dan hardy knocking out gsp.

 

without the takedowns, gsp isnt that much of a fighter imo. i dont think that hes good enough to knock out dan hardy standing up. if hardy can stop the takedown, i think he wins it. obviously this is going to be easy to do, but matt serra did it, so it is possible. i think if he really works his takedown defence, he could have a shot at it.

 

thoughts please

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the general consensus on here is a gsp ground and pound or submission victory. however' date=' i can see dan hardy knocking out gsp.

 

without the takedowns, gsp isnt that much of a fighter imo. i dont think that hes good enough to knock out dan hardy standing up. if hardy can stop the takedown, i think he wins it. obviously this is going to be easy to do, but matt serra did it, so it is possible. i think if he really works his takedown defence, he could have a shot at it.

 

thoughts please[/quote']

 

I was going to get all upset at first then I realised anyone who makes a statement like that is either a troll or really knows absolutely nothing about MMA or GSP.so I implore you to do 4 things for me,

 

1 watch GSP?S fights all of them and come back with an informed opinion.

2 watch Dan hardy?s fights all of them and come back with an informed opinion.

3 look into the records and stats of the fighters both have beaten.

4 look at what happened to Serra in the return.

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records dont mean anything' date=' anything could happen. what im saying is that he has better stand up, and that he needs to do as much as possible to keep it stood up.[/quote']

 

records mean a lot but i now more than ever realise im not going to get through to you, the

problem is a lot of the fighters GSP has demolished are better strikers than hardy and BJ PENN is not only a better striker but is all but impossible to take down,GSP took him down at will as he does with everyone so on the feet isnt going to be a factor.

im from the uk and im praying for a SERRA style win for HARDY but i just dont see it happening.

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RevelationWT

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I agree with the first king of England. In GSP - Penn II, after a very competitive round 1, GSP was able to take Penn down and control him. I hope it's a more competetive fight in the way that GSP will have to work out how to neutralise Hardy's striking/gameplan/size in some way. But I honestly see it being a GSP clinic by round 3 at the latest.

 

Hardy has a good chin IMO so there's that ... what makes you think that GSP is only a good wrestler?

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records dont mean anything' date=' anything could happen. what im saying is that he has better stand up, and that he needs to do as much as possible to keep it stood up.[/quote']

 

I really don't think that Hardy has better standup. GSP has one of the highest percentage of thrown strikes / landed strikes in mma. Yes he uses his wrestling to control where the fight takes place but he is still an amazing striker. He out struck Alves who is considered an amazing striker, same goes for BJ. Freddie Roach says that BJ has the best boxing in MMA and he is the best boxing coach in the world. He outstruck BJ while on the feet so i think GSP standup is really good. Roach also happens to be Hardy's new boxing coach but it's hard to throw combinations from your back.

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the general consensus on here is a gsp ground and pound or submission victory. however' date=' i can see dan hardy knocking out gsp.

 

without the takedowns, gsp isnt that much of a fighter imo. i dont think that hes good enough to knock out dan hardy standing up. if hardy can stop the takedown, i think he wins it. obviously this is going to be easy to do, but matt serra did it, so it is possible. i think if he really works his takedown defence, he could have a shot at it.

 

thoughts please[/quote']

 

I'll second this 100%

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GSP is better than Hardy in EVERY aspect of MMA. I have a feeling that GSP is going to stand up with Hardy and get the KO. I've seen recent interviews with GSP about how he wants to increase his KO % in the UFC, and I bet it will be starting with Dan Hardy.

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Hardy could win of course, the sun shines on a dogs butt every now and then. But he wouldn't last long. GSP will just come back and make a statement against him next fight. If GSP has to take a break from a broken hand or something for a while, most of the top 5 welterweights will get that title from Hardy. Oh, he beat Swick, and is now a top rated Welterweight? I think he should have had another top 5 fight or two before this shot, but meh, GSP has already smoked them all. Hardy COULD win, but in 100 fights against GSP I'd say he might win 6 or 7 of them.

 

It would do Hardy no favors for him to take the belt from GSP, he'll just get a serious beat down next fight. I know there is a lot of top welterweights just foaming at the mouth hoping he wins so they can take the title from him. When all you have is hoping to get the bomb off, your days are numbered in single digits.

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the general consensus on here is a gsp ground and pound or submission victory. however' date=' i can see dan hardy knocking out gsp.

 

without the takedowns, gsp isnt that much of a fighter imo. i dont think that hes good enough to knock out dan hardy standing up. if hardy can stop the takedown, i think he wins it. obviously this is going to be easy to do, but matt serra did it, so it is possible. i think if he really works his takedown defence, he could have a shot at it.

 

thoughts please[/quote']

 

Do you ever watch fights prior to the Matt Serra fight? guess not, why not watch the FITCH fight, he knocked Fitch around and he's no slouch, are you saying Jon Fitch isnt as tough as Hardy , he had a 8 fight win streak, did hardy?? NO .. what about Matt Hughes, do you realy think Hardy is as tough as Matt Hughes, ...NO .. and GSP knocked hughes around with punches and kicks, man seriously THERE ARE FIGHTS before the Serra fight, .. gsp has taken shots from some very tough opponents , all these posts of he's boring blah blah , man you need to go do some homework, and watch fights from the beginning of his carreer in the UFC, ..but god forbid because he's such a great fighter he has an off night, and suddenly HIS jaw is made of tissue paper.. if thats the case.. what would you call chuck liddells jaw? he's been KTFO by 3 of his last opponents... but never a question on his toughness lol .. such hypocricy.

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GSP is better than Hardy in EVERY aspect of MMA. I have a feeling that GSP is going to stand up with Hardy and get the KO. I've seen recent interviews with GSP about how he wants to increase his KO % in the UFC' date=' and I bet it will be starting with Dan Hardy.[/quote']

 

I hope GSP does stand up with him, be a brilliant fight to see. It clear that GSP is the favorite but hardy is good otherwise he wouldd't be in there with him. I like both fighters but for a change I wanna see new champions and I'm welsh so would love to see a British Champ in the UFC!

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Do you ever watch fights prior to the Matt Serra fight? guess not' date=' why not watch the FITCH fight, he knocked Fitch around and he's no slouch, are you saying Jon Fitch isnt as tough as Hardy , he had a 8 fight win streak, did hardy?? NO .. what about Matt Hughes, do you realy think Hardy is as tough as Matt Hughes, ...NO .. and GSP knocked hughes around with punches and kicks, man seriously THERE ARE FIGHTS before the Serra fight, .. gsp has taken shots from some very tough opponents , all these posts of he's boring blah blah , man you need to go do some homework, and watch fights from the beginning of his carreer in the UFC, ..but god forbid because he's such a great fighter he has an off night, and HIS jaw is made of tissue paper.. if thats the case.. what would you call chuck liddells jaw? he's been KTFO by 3 of his last opponents... but never a question on his toughness lol .. such hypocricy.[/quote']

 

Remember the GSP vs. Mayhem Miller fight? One of the most fun to watch 3 round beatdowns ever lol. After watching that fight I said "That's the next welterweight champion in the UFC.".

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the general consensus on here is a gsp ground and pound or submission victory. however' date=' i can see dan hardy knocking out gsp.

 

without the takedowns, gsp isnt that much of a fighter imo. i dont think that hes good enough to knock out dan hardy standing up. if hardy can stop the takedown, i think he wins it. obviously this is going to be easy to do, but matt serra did it, so it is possible. i think if he really works his takedown defence, he could have a shot at it.

 

thoughts please[/quote']

 

U have bad information if u think Hardy got a beter stand up then GSP .

 

GSP is the number 1 in ufc history at hit landed my friend he out strike alves who is the best striker in ww .

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Do you not think that Alves' date=' Fitch, Hughes X2, BJ didn't work on takedown defense? They knew that was his gameplan, prepared for it then could do nothing once he got a hold of them.

 

 

 

C'MON SON[/quote']

 

I've said for the last year or so that GSP and Alves was his biggest threat in the WW'S and I'll stick by it. But don't forget , it's an opinion. ohh and hardy can be very unpredictable and very unorthodox when he needs to be, so a Matt Serra the second could bring back the bacon to blighty.

 

WATCH THIS SPACE

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I hope GSP does stand up with him' date=' be a brilliant fight to see. It clear that GSP is the favorite but hardy is good otherwise he wouldd't be in there with him. I like both fighters but for a change I wanna see new champions and I'm welsh so would love to see a British Champ in the UFC![/quote']

 

man f the british bisping is overrated neway my niqqa

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#1 IMO i don't think Hardy deserves this shot, #2 if Hardy couldn't finish off Swick in 3 rounds, I don't think there will be any knocking out of GSP. #3 Hardy's Wrestling < GSP's wrestling... I believe both will grind out 5 rounds of raw stand up and wrestling but GSP will defend his title once more...

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I've said for the last year or so that GSP and Alves was his biggest threet in the WW'S and I'll stick by it. But don't forget ' date=' it's an opinion. ohh and hardy can be very unpredictable and very unorthodox when he needs to be, so a Matt Serra the second could bring back the bacon to blighty.

 

WATCH THIS SPACE[/quote']

 

I understand that Hardy is unpredictable, unorthodox and has the best boxing coach in the world in Freddie Roach. GSP doesn't take anyone lightly and I just think that GSP has grown so much in all aspects of mixed martial arts since that Serra fight and i just don't forsee another second coming of Serra like proportions. But then again it's just my opinion.

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Remember the GSP vs. Mayhem Miller fight? One of the most fun to watch 3 round beatdowns ever lol. After watching that fight I said "That's the next welterweight champion in the UFC.".

 

That was an excellent fight, and it had shades of todays fights written all over it , I dont think that guy who wrote the post realized that GSP had the crow to spar with who was blackbelt in tae kwon do and they both kickboxed early on in their carreers, *with a special nod too Dennis Alexio , thats old school. Most who are just getting into the MMA scene, the only thing to watch combat wise was kickboxing and that got boring because they had all these tools they were taught in Karate , Kung fu etc etc that couldnt be used in a ring, just punches n kicks, and alot of stations wouldnt carry tai kick boxing because they said it was too violent. I am very glad its evolved to see the realy amazing ground work thats come to the forefront. After watching the joking around that Hardy has done in his training, like seriously, if he thinks that GSP will watch that and stop training , he's out of his tree, to be honest, if he thinks for a moment it'll be a joke, he'll get a worse beatdown than serra did the 2nd time around.

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No matter how I look at this fight, I can't see Hardy pulling out a win, except for having a puncher's chance.

 

I have no doubt GSP can bang with the guy, at least long enough to get him to commit enough to shoot for a takedown and bring the fight to the ground. From there, I see a lot of squirming by Hardy, and him trying his damnedest to keep GSP in his guard. There'll be a pass, and eventually GSP will gain side control. Then come the elbows and the hammer-fists. Hardy will either (a) worm his way to his feet, (B) give GSP his back and get rear-naked-choked, © the round will end, or (d) he'll get TKO'd. If it's either a or c, then I can see the rest of the fight being somewhat of a "rinse and repeat" type scenario.

 

I remember a post a while back where the poster had a quote from Hardy saying something along the lines of not worrying about GSP's takedowns, so as not to throw off his striking game. After a romp on the ground, all the while eating elbows and fists from his back, if he gets back up, I can't possibly see him not being wary of being taken down again and having to go through another session of GSP ground-and-pound. He's going to be worried about those takedowns, and he'll be tentative because of it. This would play exactly into GSP's style, just like so many fighters have before.

 

I'm going to watch, not so much to see who'll win, but to see how GSP is going to put this guy away. It's too bad too, I like Hardy's character. I think he's being thrown to the wolves way too soon.

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Im from the U.K but i think gsp will dominate hardy. He is a much better fighter than hardy. I think other fighters such as fitch, kos and alves are better fighters than him and gsp has beat them all. The only way i can imagine hardy winning is if he gets a lucky punch like matt serra but i dont see that happening since gsp has improved alot since then. And i agree with 53773 about hardy getting a title shot to soon.

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The reason I think Hardy might pull off the upset is he's an adept puncher, and that matches up well against GSP. That's not to say I think Hardy's the hardest puncher around (though he does punch hard), but he finds ways to connect with his fists.

 

If you had to name a weakness in GSP's game, you would have to say he's sometimes prone to getting hit in the face. He's worked on that a lot, and so far with success. But a savvy puncher like Hardy stands the best chance of tagging him, IMO.

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If you think your going to see the same striking ability from Hardy that you saw in his last 4 fights your wrong.

 

He is spending most of his camp working on his wrestling and takedown defense. He is going to be paranoid of being taken down because I think it will end very quickly if it hit's the mat.

 

We have seen that when someone is worried about being taken down their striking suffers.

 

I think the fight goes like this:

 

RD 1. GSP and Hardy meet in the center of the ring and touch gloves. GSP lands a few jab leg kick combos. Hardy tries to counter with a big right hand. GSP times it and explodes into a takedown. Hardy works to the fence but is unable to stand up. GSP unloads vicious elbows and punches, hardy looks out....saved by the bell.

 

RD 2. Hardy comes out in desperation mode and swings for the fences. GSP times his counters and picks him apart. Takes him down again to show him the fight goes where GSP wants it. GSP punishes Hardy for the duration of the round.

 

RD 3. Hardy is visibly tired and his punches have slowed. GSP begins to throw punches with greater frequency. GSP lands a monster uppercut that rocks Hardy. GSP pounces and finishes the fight via TKO.

 

Crowd Erupts.

 

And.....STILL.. the undisputed UFC welterweight champion.. Geoges.... RUSH... St. Pierre.

 

Man can't wait to see him fight again. This is how I see the fight going but in all honesty I was being generous. I think GSP finishes it earlier.

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i read all of your posts and i think they were for the most part educated. ok i really dont think hardy can stop the take downs. i dont care how long he trains. look at bj penn. best take down defense i have ever seen. and gsp still threw him around. i dont see this going the full 5 i see gsp winning in the second round.

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