The child of homosexual couples

[Vaseline]

I decided to look up "Sean Hannity" to see who he was, and I came across this in Wikipedia,

 

...station managers upset with his remarks about gays and lesbians. This was after two shows featuring the book The AIDS Coverup: The Real and Alarming Facts about AIDS by Gene Antonio; among other remarks, Hannity told a lesbian caller "I feel sorry for your child".

 

Suprisingly enough, in my class we were discussing these issues. The first issue was of male circumcision at birth, and most of the class were against it saying that it should be the childs decision (when they are old enough to make it) to decide if they want to be circumcised or not. Then the very same people were also in support of gay/lesbians being free to adopt children and raising them how they please.

 

I see this as a contradiction. How can one say that its wrong to circumcise an infant and then assume that it is OK that the child could be raised by same sex couples? We arent born circumcised nor are we born with 2 dads/mums. To say that we should have the choice in one but not the other is just a contradiction and makes no sense.

 

I know there was a gay military thread and also a circumcision thread but I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this. Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children? Does this encourage homosexuality? Is there any wrong with encouraging it?

 

My opinion is clear. I do not agree with it, nor do I like the idea of people taking such a "normal" approach to homosexuality to our kids. I remember when studying sex education they showed us a 30 minute show about gay people and how its ok to be gay. There is a clear difference between acknowledging homosexuality and encouraging it, and to me it seems the latter has started to practiced recently in the modern countries.

 

If there are any gay people on this forum, I wish no offence, rather a discussion. No name calling or abusing from either party.

[DanielCharlesworth]

Can homosexuality be 'encouraged'? I've always been led to believe that either you are or you arent. And no, i dont think there is anything wrong with same sex couples raising children. They have the right to be gay, and the right to raise children. So why not the right to be gay AND raise children.

[RevelationWT]

Some of my best friends are a gay couple. They raised their niece as a daughter, mainly because the mother is useless. Dare I be blunt and nasty and say scum.

 

They love her more than the parent could ever do. She is completely normal and loves them like a child does a parent. In fact, just like a positive situation with adopted parents, they ARE her parents and she IS her child (if you get what I mean).

 

Circumcision could be seen as mutilation. The child will never have the choice, the child has the choice to go their own path and disown their parents if it is an issue that they are "abnormal" to them.

 

Hope this helps, short and simplified. This is not an argument, more like a sided opinion, i'll be happy to post again.

[DanielCharlesworth]

Some of my best friends are a gay couple. They raised their niece as a daughter' date=' mainly because the mother is useless. Dare I be blunt and nasty and say scum.

 

They love her more than the parent could ever do. She is completely normal and loves them like a child does a parent. In fact, just like a positive situation with adopted parents, they ARE her parents and she IS her child (if you get what I mean).

 

Circumcision could be seen as mutilation. The child will never have the choice, the child has the choice to go their own path and disown their parents if it is an issue that they are "abnormal" to them.

 

Hope this helps, short and simplified. This is not an argument, more like a sided opinion, i'll be happy to post again.[/quote']

 

As you said, good parents are good parent.s There is no obligation for a child raised by a gay couple to be gay himself. I'd go as far as saying thats a ridiculous statement to make. I wouldn't say that homosexuality is being encouraged, its just being given awareness. If we dont get it through to people that it is ok to be gay, imagine the prejudice and discrimination that would go on. It still does, but as a society, because of the raised awareness, there is less.

[Vaseline]

Some of my best friends are a gay couple. They raised their niece as a daughter' date=' mainly because the mother is useless. Dare I be blunt and nasty and say scum.

 

They love her more than the parent could ever do. She is completely normal and loves them like a child does a parent. In fact, just like a positive situation with adopted parents, they ARE her parents and she IS her child (if you get what I mean).

 

Circumcision could be seen as mutilation. The child will never have the choice, the child has the choice to go their own path and disown their parents if it is an issue that they are "abnormal" to them.

 

Hope this helps, short and simplified. This is not an argument, more like a sided opinion, i'll be happy to post again.[/quote']

 

I guess it doesnt make much sense to argue same sex couples adopting if you dont agree with same sex couples in the first place.

 

And as for homosexuality being encouraged, I think it is to some extent. Of course not so blatantly that you get people saying "BE GAY" but having characters in Childrens books to BE GAY is encouraging in my belief.

[DanielCharlesworth]

I guess it doesnt make much sense to argue same sex couples adopting if you dont agree with same sex couples in the first place.

 

And as for homosexuality being encouraged' date=' I think it is to some extent. Of course not so blatantly that you get people saying "BE GAY" but having characters in Childrens books to BE GAY is encouraging in my belief.[/quote']

 

I dont believe including a gay character in a book is encouragement. Its just awareness again. What possible reason would the media have for encouraging homosexuality? Being gay is not a choice, so discriminating against someone for the way the were born is much different from discriminating against someone who made a decision. Having said that, its a harmless decision to make, and both forms of discrimination shouldn't be tolerated. Essentially you are prejudicing (maybe too strong a word, so disagreeing with people?) against people for something that is out of their control.

[RevelationWT]

I guess it doesnt make much sense to argue same sex couples adopting if you dont agree with same sex couples in the first place.

 

And as for homosexuality being encouraged' date=' I think it is to some extent. Of course not so blatantly that you get people saying "BE GAY" but having characters in Childrens books to BE GAY is encouraging in my belief.[/quote']

 

Correct me if i'm wrong - but does this mean that it would be better that orphans live in orphanages than have a chance at a home and even parents? I think in all things that there should be constant involvement in child 'care' agencies. Like orphanages should be checked out, children spoke to. Just an ideal which I know can be argued against - but i'm trying to cover what you might be saying here.

 

Characters in children's books? Do you mean 'pansy-like' like winny the pooh or whatever?

If so, i'll just leave you with the image of a macho biker gay man. I've met camp straights and gays that wouldn't even register on your 'gay-dar'.

[Vaseline]

I dont believe including a gay character in a book is encouragement. Its just awareness again. What possible reason would the media have for encouraging homosexuality? Being gay is not a choice' date='[/b'] so discriminating against someone for the way the were born is much different from discriminating against someone who made a decision. Having said that, its a harmless decision to make, and both forms of discrimination shouldn't be tolerated. Essentially you are prejudicing (maybe too strong a word, so disagreeing with people?) against people for something that is out of their control.

 

Thats a debatable issue, which evidently, has no answer. I have heard from Gay people say that it is a choice, I have also heard them say it isnt. I have heard non gays say its a choice and others say it isnt. I am not gay, so I will never have the first hand experience.

 

Though I do not question that there are certain cases in which a person can be born "gay" however I do question the numbers. I believe that is very rare.

 

When a kid sees someone they like, someone they look up to, they do all they can to be like them. Usually over time this fades, but in some cases it doesnt, especially when its something they get used to. You dont need to have gay characters in childrens books to create awareness. That is silly.

[Vaseline]

Correct me if i'm wrong - but does this mean that it would be better that orphans live in orphanages than have a chance at a home and even parents? I think in all things that there should be constant involvement in child 'care' agencies. Like orphanages should be checked out' date=' children spoke to. Just an ideal which I know can be argued against - but i'm trying to cover what you might be saying here.

 

Characters in children's books? Do you mean 'pansy-like' like winny the pooh or whatever?

If so, i'll just leave you with the image of a macho biker gay man. I've met camp straights and gays that wouldn't even register on your 'gay-dar'.[/quote']

 

No I agree, children shouldnt live in orphanages. That is why I corrected myself, saying that it is stupid to argue my initial point when I dont accept the premise (gay couples).

 

I dont have any particular names at the moment, I will try to fish some out as I heard them on the news a while ago. Recent childrens books (the popularity I am not aware of) have purposely made the characters "gay" to apparently "create awareness", though I argue against that.

[DanielCharlesworth]

Correct me if i'm wrong - but does this mean that it would be better that orphans live in orphanages than have a chance at a home and even parents? I think in all things that there should be constant involvement in child 'care' agencies. Like orphanages should be checked out' date=' children spoke to. Just an ideal which I know can be argued against - but i'm trying to cover what you might be saying here.

 

Characters in children's books? Do you mean 'pansy-like' like winny the pooh or whatever?

If so, i'll just leave you with the image of a macho biker gay man. I've met camp straights and gays that wouldn't even register on your 'gay-dar'.[/quote']

 

I dont think he was talking stereotypes, more just the prescence of homosexuality in a book. For etc, Oranges are not the only fruit. A book i studied for A-level English lit. Homosexuality was featured heavily, but without any stereotypes.

[RevelationWT]

No I agree' date=' children shouldnt live in orphanages. That is why I corrected myself, saying that it is stupid to argue my initial point when I dont accept the premise (gay couples).

 

I dont have any particular names at the moment, I will try to fish some out as I heard them on the news a while ago. Recent childrens books (the popularity I am not aware of) have purposely made the characters "gay" to apparently "create awareness", though I argue against that.[/quote']

 

I dont think he was talking stereotypes' date=' more just the prescence of homosexuality in a book. For etc, Oranges are not the only fruit. A book i studied for A-level English lit. Homosexuality was featured heavily, but without any stereotypes.[/quote']

 

I got ya. Sorry on both points vaseline. When considering has the person chose to be gay or not. Do they know?

 

Do you know where you got all you habits and programming from? I know I don't.

 

I hope this doesn't start the natural/unnatural argument again but ... can you be sure that you didn't choose to be straight and if so. Is it too far fetched to believe others who believe that they are gay? (not chose to be).

[RevelationWT]

 

I hope this doesn't start the natural/unnatural argument again but ... can you be sure that you didn't choose to be straight and if so. Is it too far fetched to believe others who believe that they are gay? (not chose to be).

 

I have no idea what I meant by this. take no notice lol. Obviously ignoring biology in favour of pure philosophy.

[General_Anesthetic]

 

(totally joking but I could not resist - sorry!)

[TheGusBus]

what forum is this ?

 

gay straight who gives a ****

 

elbows and knees please

[RevelationWT]

 

(totally joking but I could not resist - sorry!)

 

what forum is this ?

 

gay straight who gives a ****

 

elbows and knees please

 

lol at general_anesthetic. At 'gusbus', which section of the forum are you in? you can always create a thread yourself if you want to discuss something you can't find?

 

We're just talking.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

I think that the gay issue should be stricken from the records on these forums.... along with evolution and religion threads as it will just incite Kevbo and fast to Argue.

 

That said:

 

I do not believe in gay's having the right to adopt kids. If your one of those who does not believe that parental habbits rub off take an outside look at your parents and yourself. I personally like to think I am nothing like my father (the man who raised me) yet I am much the same person even to the extent I eat french fries in the exact same way. Like it or non parental habbits and examples rub off on kids.

 

I also agree that there has been a trend in the last 10 or so years encouraging gy behavior. this encuragement has spawed a new breed of "fake homosexuals" in almost every community and even more "metrosexuals".

 

Kids are very impressionable out of every 100 high school bis or gays i would say 1-2 are really gay the rest being posers or confusded. I would say a large portion of the gay community are more just confused people than there are true homosexuals.

 

THis is a very conflicted and twisted subject for me... I had a friend in middle school who shot himself in the head largly due to the fact that he had "two moms" and no dad as he was a test tube baby. people at my school ridiculed him endlessly for that... He could not cope and stole a gun from my house to kill himself with. I was the one who found him and have pretty much had a deep hatred for the gay community since. maybe had he had normal parents he would not have killed himself maybe not you never know though. I have many reasons for opposing homosexuality though im not a one reason hater.

[t0xyg3n]

personally i don't like it. just like muslims and christians indoctrinate their kids, homosexuals will influence theirs.

 

i don't care really i guess, im sorta thinking more about **** the world, just don't let the world **** me (or my kids)

 

i think time will tell. lets see what the numbers say in 30 years. i know this BS about kids getting expelled or arrested for telling jokes at the lunch table is ridiculous tho.

[RevelationWT]

In what way Cryptic do you agree that some of this will be down to genetics because it seems that your approaching it from the nurture angle.

[t0xyg3n]

In what way Cryptic do you agree that some of this will be down to genetics because it seems that your approaching it from the nurture angle.

 

im thinking its more of a nurture than a nature too. i have heard talk of a gay gene but i don't know much about it. however I have heard studies showing a correlation between homosexuality and an absent or distant father figure and also being ostracized in early childhood.

 

 

 

separate but related topic: gay lisp, cultural or what?

[RevelationWT]

im thinking its more of a nurture than a nature too. i have heard talk of a gay gene but i don't know much about it. however I have heard studies showing a correlation between homosexuality and an absent or distant father figure and also being ostracized in early childhood.

 

 

 

separate but related topic: gay lisp' date=' cultural or what?[/quote']

 

I'm just wondering how much nurture he see's in his similarities with his father, compared to nurture.

I know one example doesn't become evidence but have you guys checked my first post in the thread. I know this isn't adoption, but thought you might be interested.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

In what way Cryptic do you agree that some of this will be down to genetics because it seems that your approaching it from the nurture angle.

Rev,

 

I view homosexuality as a choice. If it is genetic or biological it can be irradicated with proper treatment either pre or post birth... That would be the day, You could call the pill "ensure" cause your ensuring you child will be born normal, It would be marketed like a pre-natal vitamin.

 

I think that you can have genetic traits that make you prone to homosexuality but regadless of tendancies its still a choice. Like alcoholism or those born predisposed to murder. its always a choice. unless you argue homosexuality is a mental disorder of which homosexuals have no control. But to me that road is laughable

[t0xyg3n]

I'm just wondering how much nurture he see's in his similarities with his father' date=' compared to nurture.

I know one example doesn't become evidence but have you guys checked my first post in the thread. I know this isn't adoption, but thought you might be interested.[/quote']

 

i read it and while i agree it is an improvement i still have my misgivings. i would say (and this may not be the case) that one can go from a bad environment to a less bad environment and that is an improvement too.

 

TBH i can't say specifically why i personally don't like it. it's not the decision i'd make thats for sure.

[KungFuMaster]

I do not encourage the idea of same sex partners parenting a child, but I am sure the parents who are involved would want their child to have a normal childhood and would do things accordingly to ensure the child is not expose to homosexual behaviors.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

I'm just wondering how much nurture he see's in his similarities with his father' date=' compared to nurture.

I know one example doesn't become evidence but have you guys checked my first post in the thread. I know this isn't adoption, but thought you might be interested.[/quote']

 

my mom is mexican my dad is white... I am half mexican and half lebanese. I dont know who the sperm donar was but the guy I call dad has no bio-relation to me any more than he would to you. All the the habbits and traits of mine that came from him were nurture only and greatly outweigh the nature traits I have from my mother.

[Vaseline]

I have no idea what I meant by this. take no notice lol. Obviously ignoring biology in favour of pure philosophy.

 

The issue of whether being gay is a choice or not is one that isnt going to die down any time soon.

 

There IS forced homosexuality. As in born gay. There was a documentary about a boy who believed he was a girl. That is real homosexuality in my opinion (not that its justified) I just think its very rare and most gay people arent gay.

 

personally i don't like it. just like muslims and christians indoctrinate their kids' date=' homosexuals will influence theirs.

 

i don't care really i guess, im sorta thinking more about **** the world, just don't let the world **** me (or my kids)

 

i think time will tell. lets see what the numbers say in 30 years. i know this BS about kids getting expelled or arrested for telling jokes at the lunch table is ridiculous tho.[/quote']

 

I have nothing against gay people. I certainly dont like the camp styles they have, that pisses me off. But homosexuality isnt about being camp, thats just something created by the western culture.

 

The problem is that homosexuality is caused through different reasons, nothing that is biological nor hereditary (in most cases). I knew a guy who was gay, I asked him why, he told me that it was easier. Simply easier to get guys than getting girls. Some people find it more comfortable to be gay, others like to be different. There are tons of reasons, non of which I could agree with.

[RevelationWT]

my mom is mexican my dad is white... I am half mexican and half lebanese. I dont know who the sperm donar was but the guy I call dad has no bio-relation to me any more than he would to you. All the the habbits and traits of mine that came from him were nurture only and greatly outweigh the nature traits I have from my mother.

 

I got ya. I respect your views guys, I don't agree fully but I can see your logic and reasons for your opinions.

[Vaseline]

I do not encourage the idea of same sex partners parenting a child' date=' but I am sure the parents who are involved would want their child to have a normal childhood and would do things accordingly to ensure the child is not expose to homosexual behaviors.[/quote']

 

But to what extent?

 

What does a kid think when he sees his dads holding hands, hugging and kissing on a daily basis?

 

I can assure you that if I saw that growing up, I would be VERYYYY different

[KungFuMaster]

Rev' date='

 

I view homosexuality as a choice. If it is genetic or biological it can be irradicated with proper treatment either pre or post birth... That would be the day, You could call the pill "ensure" cause your ensuring you child will be born normal, It would be marketed like a pre-natal vitamin.

 

I think that you can have genetic traits that make you prone to homosexuality but regadless of tendancies its still a choice. Like alcoholism or those born predisposed to murder. its always a choice. unless you argue homosexuality is a mental disorder of which homosexuals have no control. But to me that road is laughable[/quote']

Cript, there are biological make ups that determine whether you are feminine or masculine regardless of your outside appearance. Having too much estrogen or female related hormones can make a borned man gay. This has been studied by scientists and has shown that most homosexuals have more of the opposite hormones.

[UFCCagerattler]

I decided to look up "Sean Hannity" to see who he was' date=' and I came across this in Wikipedia,

 

 

 

Suprisingly enough, in my class we were discussing these issues. The first issue was of male circumcision at birth, and most of the class were against it saying that it should be the childs decision (when they are old enough to make it) to decide if they want to be circumcised or not. Then the very same people were also in support of gay/lesbians being free to adopt children and raising them how they please.

 

I see this as a contradiction. How can one say that its wrong to circumcise an infant and then assume that it is OK that the child could be raised by same sex couples? We arent born circumcised nor are we born with 2 dads/mums. To say that we should have the choice in one but not the other is just a contradiction and makes no sense.

 

I know there was a gay military thread and also a circumcision thread but I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this. Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children? Does this encourage homosexuality? Is there any wrong with encouraging it?

 

My opinion is clear. I do not agree with it, nor do I like the idea of people taking such a "normal" approach to homosexuality to our kids. I remember when studying sex education they showed us a 30 minute show about gay people and how its ok to be gay. There is a clear difference between acknowledging homosexuality and encouraging it, and to me it seems the latter has started to practiced recently in the modern countries.

 

If there are any gay people on this forum, I wish no offence, rather a discussion. No name calling or abusing from either party.[/quote']

 

What o earth circumcision has to do with gay parenting is something you should hire a term of shrinks to look into.

 

Get yourself a thorough mental exam.

[KungFuMaster]

But to what extent?

 

What does a kid think when he sees his dads holding hands' date=' hugging and kissing on a daily basis?

 

I can assure you that if I saw that growing up, I would be VERYYYY different[/quote']

If I was a homosexual parent, I would not engage in homosexual behaviors around my child.

[IamMachine11]

I am currently working on my graduate degree in Psychology and one of the most debated topics throughout my experience in Psych classes has to be the issue of homosexuals who want to be parents. It has been proven that homosexuality is NOT a choice. As far as parenting goes, empirical evidence has shown that homosexual parents are just as successful at raising children as their hetero counterparts. Also, the children raised by homosexual parents are NO MORE likely to end up homosexual themselves.

[UFCCagerattler]

"It has been proven that homosexuality is NOT a choice."

 

Mayeb in the great Ivory Halls - but not down at he 7-11 it hasn't. This is America. A solid percentage of the public believes BArack Obama is with AQ.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

What o earth circumcision has to do with gay parenting is something you should hire a term of shrinks to look into.

 

Get yourself a thorough mental exam.

cage rattler:

 

proiding thoughtful incite since day 1 no questions asked

[UFCCagerattler]

CAn anyone even explain what that comparison is supposed to prove or illusrate?

 

I have seen some hard to connect dots before, but that one takes the cakes.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

I am currently working on my graduate degree in Psychology and one of the most debated topics throughout my experience in Psych classes has to be the issue of homosexuals who want to be parents. It has been proven that homosexuality is NOT a choice. As far as parenting goes' date=' empirical evidence has shown that homosexual parents are just as successful at raising children as their hetero counterparts. Also, the children raised by homosexual parents are NO MORE likely to end up homosexual themselves.[/quote']

I also would like to know WHO and WHEN this was proven as it should have been headline news. Also your "credentials" matter in the least when dealing with the internet. Want proof? Here:

 

I have a Doctorate in Nuclear Medicine. I am quad-Lingual. I graduated at the top of my class at Chambridge.

 

See how easy it is to BS people.

[UFCCagerattler]

I also would like to know WHO and WHEN this was proven as it should have been headline news. Also your "credentials" matter in the least when dealing with the internet. Want proof? Here:

 

I have a Doctorate in Nuclear Medicine. I am quad-Lingual. I graduated at the top of my class at Chambridge.

 

See how easy it is to BS people.

 

No 'h' in Chambridge, Doc.

 

Maybe just a tad more difficult than you thnk.

[RevelationWT]

If I was a homosexual parent' date=' I would not engage in homosexual behaviors around my child.[/quote']

 

I suppose this opens the question of whether you should engage in heterosexual acts around your child. If a child IS gay and you influence him in what you deem the natural - is that wrong?

 

I say no, I wouldn't not kiss my partner around my children, but there is a difference between a passionate kiss and a caring kiss.

 

Vaseline, do you also think that children of some European nations for example will grow up with certain sexual attitudes having seen men kiss as is the custom?

 

What makes you think that a gay couple cannot do their very best to help the child build healthy reasoning about themselves and who they are?

 

Cryptic, when you say that children can be influenced or nurtured towards being gay by the absense of a male role model. Is this concerning lesbian couples or straight couples.

 

I know the answer must be both (though in the lesbian couple that is guaranteed), but i'm just pointing out that it is not unreasonable to conclude that the gay couple has a chance to raise a child 'healthy' (want of a better word). Just as there is a chance for a straight couple to raise their children 'unhealthy'.

[BOOGMAN]

I dont believe including a gay character in a book is encouragement. Its just awareness again. What possible reason would the media have for encouraging homosexuality? Being gay is not a choice' date=' so discriminating against someone for the way the were born is much different from discriminating against someone who made a decision. Having said that, its a harmless decision to make, and both forms of discrimination shouldn't be tolerated. Essentially you are prejudicing (maybe too strong a word, so disagreeing with people?) against people for something that is out of their control.[/quote']

 

"Being gay is not a choice" is a debatable statement. You can't say with certainty whether it is or it isn't. I'm of the belief that it IS a choice, but I can certainly see how some people would think otherwise.

 

We live in a society that swings like a pendulum. For example, 50 years ago, gays were berated and belittled, often even abused physically. Clearly, that is not acceptable. Now, gays are glorified. You can't turn your television on without seeing some "guy" wearing spandex and talking like a 13 year old school girl. In my opinion, the pendulum as swung too far.

 

As long as all parties consent, what people do in their bedroom is their own business. That doesn't mean that they should be given tax benefits and/or the priviledge to raise a child.

[UFCCagerattler]

"Being gay is not a choice" is a debatable statement. You can't say with certainty whether it is or it isn't. I'm of the belief that it IS a choice' date=' but I can certainly see how some people would think otherwise.

 

We live in a society that swings like a pendulum. For example, 50 years ago, gays were berated and belittled, often even abused physically. Clearly, that is not acceptable. Now, gays are glorified. You can't turn your television on without seeing some "guy" wearing spandex and talking like a 13 year old school girl. In my opinion, the pendulum as swung too far.

 

As long as all parties consent, what people do in their bedroom is their own business. That doesn't mean that they should be given tax benefits and/or the priviledge to raise a child.[/quote']

 

Then stop taxing them the same.

 

Work that thing both ways.

 

Why the hell sjould they pay in the same when they don;t recive the same benefits and priveleges.

 

Thats as unAmerican as it gets.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

I suppose this opens the question of whether you should engage in heterosexual acts around your child. If a child IS gay and you influence him in what you deem the natural - is that wrong?

 

I say no' date=' I wouldn't not kiss my partner around my children, but there is a difference between a passionate kiss and a caring kiss.

 

Vaseline, do you also think that children of some European nations for example will grow up with certain sexual attitudes having seen men kiss as is the custom?

 

What makes you think that a gay couple cannot do their very best to help the child build healthy reasoning about themselves and who they are?

 

Cryptic, when you say that children can be influenced or nurtured towards being gay by the absense of a male role model. Is this concerning lesbian couples or straight couples.

 

I know the answer must be both (though in the lesbian couple that is guaranteed), but i'm just pointing out that it is not unreasonable to conclude that the gay couple has a chance to raise a child 'healthy' (want of a better word). Just as there is a chance for a straight couple to raise their children 'unhealthy'.[/quote']

yes there is. but the final say on how to act rests on the child. You raise your kid right and he turns into a serial killer is this the parents fault? Maybe. But in the case of how a child trasitions into an adult there are far more influencing factors to the "nurture" section than just one's parents. Teachers friends, media, etc all have monumental effects on the "way you turn out"

[Cryptic_Soldier]

maybe if I took the time to use spell cheker my trickery would be a little more convincing. Cage rattler your abound with spelling and mis-typing. Im a 263 pound guy using a mini-notebook comoputer key board give me a break when it comes to spelling and minor mistakes.

[Future_Champ]

Ok all you guys acting like all homosexuals act like Girly Boys who are feminine need to just fuc king stop. my brother is a homosexual and we was on the Wrestling team , and he Kickboxes, . his boyfriend is QB for his Highhschool team , they are very masculine , both of witch trying to date women and it just wasnt who they are , both having straight parents .

 

Its proven that you ARE born gay , or straight , IDK about this bi thing but i have nothing against it , i agree alot of people are acting homosexual, girls are now because lesbians are portrayed as HOT , and idk why guys would do it besides being confused , or not getting the ladies and want to feel important, and i dont exactly agree with gay guys acting like women either.

 

On that thought if they are representing themselves WELL, acting proper, they should get the same rights as anyone else THIS IS AMERICA, if you dont like homosexuality go to ****ing IRAN or something stay away from homosexuals dont deem them unfitting to raise children and say its a choice you dont know , your a bunch of losers who post on forums half your life give me a break .

 

Just saying , i believe there is nothing wrong with homosexuality if your born that way , and i dont even really see a fault in acting feminine if its WHO YOU ARE. but seriously people homosexuality is not BAD nor good its neutral just like being straight dont discriminate. all you haters on being safe with what you saying , but your beliefs are easily seen , sure sure your entitled to your opinion , but i want all of you to answer me this who have something against homosexuality, if your born gay should you live a loveless life because ITS WRONG yet not your fault? its also proven u cant change being gay....... , theres obviously nothing wrong with it i mean seriously?

[Future_Champ]

also , i dont think acting gay when you arent is right forgot to mention , and encouraging homosexuality is also wrong , but giving awareness is definitely not wrong .

[UFCCagerattler]

maybe if I took the time to use spell cheker my trickery would be a little more convincing. Cage rattler your abound with spelling and mis-typing. Im a 263 pound guy using a mini-notebook comoputer key board give me a break when it comes to spelling and minor mistakes.

 

Yes I do, but I'm not the one saying I can BS anyone.

 

Although I can.

 

BTW Putting an H into Cambridge goes beyond finger problems my friend.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

Yes I do' date=' but I'm not the one saying I can BS anyone.

 

Although I can.

 

BTW Putting an H into Cambridge goes beyond finger problems my friend.[/quote']

 

I guess you din't notice the spell checker bit did you? An average spell checker would have caught that.

[KungFuMaster]

I suppose this opens the question of whether you should engage in heterosexual acts around your child. If a child IS gay and you influence him in what you deem the natural - is that wrong?

 

I say no' date=' I wouldn't not kiss my partner around my children, but there is a difference between a passionate kiss and a caring kiss.

 

Vaseline, do you also think that children of some European nations for example will grow up with certain sexual attitudes having seen men kiss as is the custom?

 

What makes you think that a gay couple cannot do their very best to help the child build healthy reasoning about themselves and who they are?

 

Cryptic, when you say that children can be influenced or nurtured towards being gay by the absense of a male role model. Is this concerning lesbian couples or straight couples.

 

I know the answer must be both (though in the lesbian couple that is guaranteed), but i'm just pointing out that it is not unreasonable to conclude that the gay couple has a chance to raise a child 'healthy' (want of a better word). Just as there is a chance for a straight couple to raise their children 'unhealthy'.[/quote']

Me and my wife, we do not passionately kiss around our children. We kiss each other the way we kiss our children. Any intimate or sexual activities are done out of sight of our children. With that being said, homosexual parents who want a normal chlidhood for their kids should practice similar restraints.

[TheTerribleWilliamson]

Why are right wing crackpots always so obsessed with homosexuality? It seems there's no end to ultra conservative republican politicians or a religious huckster insistent on standing up and thumping their chests while spewing homophobic rants about what other people should and shouldn't be doing in their bedrooms...and all to often these are the same people who get caught sucking off some dude in a public bathroom or buried up to the 3rd knuckle in the **** of one of their Sunday school students.

 

In all seriousness, people like the author of this thread and those who agree with him are the ones we shouldn't be letting anywhere near children.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

Ok all you guys acting like all homosexuals act like Girly Boys who are feminine need to just fuc king stop. my brother is a homosexual and we was on the Wrestling team ' date=' and he Kickboxes, . his boyfriend is QB for his Highhschool team , they are very masculine , both of witch trying to date women and it just wasnt who they are , both having straight parents .

 

Its proven that you ARE born gay , or straight , IDK about this bi thing but i have nothing against it , i agree alot of people are acting homosexual, girls are now because lesbians are portrayed as HOT , and idk why guys would do it besides being confused , or not getting the ladies and want to feel important, and i dont exactly agree with gay guys acting like women either.

 

On that thought if they are representing themselves WELL, acting proper, they should get the same rights as anyone else THIS IS AMERICA, if you dont like homosexuality go to ****ing IRAN or something stay away from homosexuals dont deem them unfitting to raise children and say its a choice you dont know , your a bunch of losers who post on forums half your life give me a break .

 

Just saying , i believe there is nothing wrong with homosexuality if your born that way , and i dont even really see a fault in acting feminine if its WHO YOU ARE. but seriously people homosexuality is not BAD nor good its neutral just like being straight dont discriminate. all you haters on being safe with what you saying , but your beliefs are easily seen , sure sure your entitled to your opinion , but i want all of you to answer me this who have something against homosexuality, if your born gay should you live a loveless life because ITS WRONG yet not your fault? its also proven u cant change being gay....... , theres obviously nothing wrong with it i mean seriously?[/quote']

been to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Lebanon, both with the military and on my own and let me tell you the middle east is not the place to go if your a homophobe. "normal" behavior out here is what i consider to be UBER GAY! so your wrong there.

 

Also as there is as much proof to say homosexuality is somthing you have at birth as there is to say its a choice as there is to say its a mental disorder. It was all brought up in the gyas in the military thread.

 

The bottom line is that no matter what is done or not done about the issue of homosexuals in the world it will always be an issue. Some people like it some dont. Unless they atre all exeuted in a Hitler stye final plan or everyone is labotomized to belive they are OK and equal to straits there will always be hatred both ways.

 

Think of it this way though: Being gay is "acceptable" by most people's standards but do you think any strait couple "wants" their child to be gay? I dont think so. With the advances of genetic engeneering and your arguement that gay is somthing you are born with I predict that the cause of homosexuality will be discovered and erraticated, when reproduction happen in the lab the etuses pre-dispositioned for homosexual traits will be dsposed of and the ones exibiting the best traits will be selected for insetion into the womb. This should permanatly dispose of the gay community in just a few generations.

[shrimp_jao]

Love is love.

[Cryptic_Soldier]

Why are right wing crackpots always so obsessed with homosexuality? It seems there's no end to ultra conservative republican politicians or a religious huckster insistent on standing up and thumping their chests while spewing homophobic rants about what other people should and shouldn't be doing in their bedrooms...and all to often these are the same people who get caught sucking off some dude in a public bathroom or buried up to the 3rd knuckle in the **** of one of their Sunday school students.

 

In all seriousness' date=' people like the author of this thread and those who agree with him are the ones we shouldn't be letting anywhere near children.[/quote']

your opinion is as worthless as your life. Your lumping of every right winged person into being closeted homosexuals is distastful and misinformed at best. As I agree with the OP I have to say people like you: a tree hugging, gay loving, gun rights taking, abortion supporting, drunk hick, hippy assed liberal should be the ones to keep from childgren. Liberals are the pond scum of american society. YOu are as useless as a ****** on an asexual being.