K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 What fights do you think were scored wrongly by the judges in 2009 giving the win to the wrong man. Here are some of mine. The obviuous one is Shogun vs Machida. TUF 9 Finale Mellvin Guillard vs Gleison Tibau (I had it 29-28 for Tibau) Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera (I had it 29-28 for Vera as much as I wanted Randy to win) Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz (First round was one of the hardest rounds to score that I've ever seen, maybe Tito just edged it) Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra (When i saw it for the first time I gave it to Hughes but after watching it again I think that Serra won the third round and won the fight 29-28) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 What fights do you think were scored wrongly by the judges in 2009 giving the win to the wrong man. Here are some of mine. The obviuous one is Shogun vs Machida. TUF 9 Finale Mellvin Guillard vs Gleison Tibau (I had it 29-28 for Tibau) Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera (I had it 29-28 for Vera as much as I wanted Randy to win) Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz (First round was one of the hardest rounds to score that I've ever seen' date=' maybe Tito just edged it) Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra (When i saw it for the first time I gave it to Hughes but after watching it again I think that Serra won the third round and won the fight 29-28)[/quote'] Shogun Tibau I'd of said it was a draw Griffin Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I have 0 big beefs for the year.. I thought Gonzaga/Couture should have been a NC due to unintentional head butt in 08, but 09 seemed pretty good for that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGusBus Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 vera beat couture WITHOUT question .. horrible decision but you always have a feeling the stars get the refs benefit ...hughes/serra was too boring to care about the bad decision .... hughes needs to retire .. cant finish anymore just lay and pray .. be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I have 0 big beefs for the year.. I thought Gonzaga/Couture should have been a NC due to unintentional head butt in 08' date=' but 09 seemed pretty good for that stuff.[/quote'] Not even Shogun vs Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueGrit Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 out of the hughes/serra fight i think serra won that one.. Lyoto and shogun..was a really close fight but i think shogun won.. vera really looked like he won..I mean that one strike to randys body took him down.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortalchaos Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 What fights do you think were scored wrongly by the judges in 2009 giving the win to the wrong man. Here are some of mine. The obviuous one is Shogun vs Machida. TUF 9 Finale Mellvin Guillard vs Gleison Tibau (I had it 29-28 for Tibau) Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera (I had it 29-28 for Vera as much as I wanted Randy to win) Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz (First round was one of the hardest rounds to score that I've ever seen' date=' maybe Tito just edged it) Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra (When i saw it for the first time I gave it to Hughes but after watching it again I think that Serra won the third round and won the fight 29-28)[/quote'] Vera vs Couture was not a wrong decision in any ways. Yes Vera got a few good shots in but a few good shots wasn't enough to win a decision over being controlled for an entire match. Granted holding someone to a fence isn't exactly exciting but it is a form of control and Randy cotrolled the whole match. Forrest vs Tito was not a bad decision either. The first round was close but after that Tito faded and did nothing in the third round except take hits. Which is why he lost. Tito continually faded and did literally nothing for the third round. I do agree with Machida vs Shogun. Shogun landed 2 times the amount of shots and did the most damage as well as faught at the pace he chose. Matt Serra should have won that fight. He did more all the way around and I think it was sympathy win for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMA_Spawn Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think Alan Belcher's loss to Akiyama was ridiculous. He got the better of the exchanges and had the stronger power punches. The judges were to enamoured with Akiyama due to the record and accolades he brought with him from Japan. In my opinion, Jon Fitch did NOT beat Mike Pierce via unanimous decision, rather Fitch ate the bigger and heavier punches and his face was a testament to that. I think Pierce got robbed. Couture and Vera was a difficult one to score, as Couture controlled the fight and its pace, while Vera had the more damaging blows. It really is a split decision at its core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 belcher i agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think Alan Belcher's loss to Akiyama was ridiculous. He got the better of the exchanges and had the stronger power punches. The judges were to enamoured with Akiyama due to the record and accolades he brought with him from Japan. In my opinion' date=' Jon Fitch did NOT beat Mike Pierce via unanimous decision, rather Fitch ate the bigger and heavier punches and his face was a testament to that. I think Pierce got robbed. Couture and Vera was a difficult one to score, as Couture controlled the fight and its pace, while Vera had the more damaging blows. It really is a split decision at its core.[/quote'] I disagree with most of this. I think that Akiyama won the first two rounds against Belcher and to say that Pierce got robbed in a fight that he was obviously being dominated in until the last 15 seconds is ridiculous. No way can you give rounds 1 or 2 to Pierce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueGrit Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think Alan Belcher's loss to Akiyama was ridiculous. He got the better of the exchanges and had the stronger power punches. The judges were to enamoured with Akiyama due to the record and accolades he brought with him from Japan. In my opinion' date=' Jon Fitch did NOT beat Mike Pierce via unanimous decision, rather Fitch ate the bigger and heavier punches and his face was a testament to that. I think Pierce got robbed. Couture and Vera was a difficult one to score, as Couture controlled the fight and its pace, while Vera had the more damaging blows. It really is a split decision at its core.[/quote'] agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 What fights do you think were scored wrongly by the judges in 2009 giving the win to the wrong man. Here are some of mine. The obviuous one is Shogun vs Machida. TUF 9 Finale Mellvin Guillard vs Gleison Tibau (I had it 29-28 for Tibau) Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera (I had it 29-28 for Vera as much as I wanted Randy to win) Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz (First round was one of the hardest rounds to score that I've ever seen' date=' maybe Tito just edged it) Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra (When i saw it for the first time I gave it to Hughes but after watching it again I think that Serra won the third round and won the fight 29-28)[/quote'] you forgot the obvious one...hamill vs bisping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 you forgot the obvious one...hamill vs bisping No, I didn't. That was in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 No' date=' I didn't. That was in 2007.[/quote'] my bad?...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 No' date=' I didn't. That was in 2007.[/quote'] ill learn to pay more attention to thread titles...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlequin Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think Alan Belcher's loss to Akiyama was ridiculous.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Vera vs Couture was not a wrong decision in any ways. Yes Vera got a few good shots in but a few good shots wasn't enough to win a decision over being controlled for an entire match. Granted holding someone to a fence isn't exactly exciting but it is a form of control and Randy cotrolled the whole match. Forrest vs Tito was not a bad decision either. The first round was close but after that Tito faded and did nothing in the third round except take hits. Which is why he lost. Tito continually faded and did literally nothing for the third round. I do agree with Machida vs Shogun. Shogun landed 2 times the amount of shots and did the most damage as well as faught at the pace he chose. Matt Serra should have won that fight. He did more all the way around and I think it was sympathy win for Hughes. I disagree with Couture beating Vera. Couture did nothing in the third round and Vera had Couture up against the cage at times aswell and then Vera got the takedown and went to mount but I think that it was close. By the sounds of it you are saying that Tito lost the second round which I disagree with. I think you should watch that round again. Tito got two takedowns and cut Griffin open with lots of ground and pound. Ya, the third round was obviously won by Forrest. It all came down to the first round. I agree it was close and it could of gone either way but I just about gave it to Tito with the two takedowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 ill learn to pay more attention to thread titles...lol LOL, I agree though. That was a bad decision. Hammill won that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunchBag Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 well first 1 i have seen for 2010 was the tom lawler fight he got robbed there in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigoRua Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Until 1 week ago i would say Machida vs Shogun .. but after i watched a Machida interview in Brazil (im brazilian so i speak portuguse) i agreed with Machida .. yes he won the fight .. But come one .. Randy vs Vera was a joke decision .. makes me said to see those decision in UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aKaBeasTTT Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 And to say that Pierce got robbed in a fight that he was obviously being dominated in until the last 15 seconds is ridiculous. No way can you give rounds 1 or 2 to Pierce. +1 he had pierces back the whole time! and I think Buentello vs Struve should of went to Paul. Also even though Shogun out striked Machida IMO Machida won that fight with good counters and more powerful punches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack_415 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 i had all three of those fight for the winners. and they won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Machida vs Rua and Couture vs Vera were the two standout robberies for me. I also thought that Quarry vs Credeur and Struve vs Buentello were debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltrane Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 idk, in that randy vera fight, i thought that vera won when i first watched it but after rewatching it, randy one the first, vera won the second, then randy squeaked out the third, winning him the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBenjamin Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What fights do you think were scored wrongly by the judges in 2009 giving the win to the wrong man. Here are some of mine. The obviuous one is Shogun vs Machida. TUF 9 Finale Mellvin Guillard vs Gleison Tibau (I had it 29-28 for Tibau) Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera (I had it 29-28 for Vera as much as I wanted Randy to win) Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz (First round was one of the hardest rounds to score that I've ever seen' date=' maybe Tito just edged it) Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra (When i saw it for the first time I gave it to Hughes but after watching it again I think that Serra won the third round and won the fight 29-28)[/quote'] i still think forrest won that cuz i dont think making 1 out of the 2 or 3 takedown attempts he tried in the first would win him the whole round cuz he was getting outboxed and kicked the whole fight and machida shogun shouldve been a draw. the first round is a 9/9 IMO it was way too close for anyone to get the legit nod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBenjamin Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Machida vs Rua and Couture vs Vera were the two standout robberies for me. I also thought that Quarry vs Credeur and Struve vs Buentello were debatable. struve won the fight with his super boring firstround back control and little leg kicks the whole 3rd round and quarry vs credeur easily couldve went to either one and nobody complained it was so good i dont think anyone cared about the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBenjamin Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 what about the tom lawler - aaron simpson fight? and my boy big nate diaz got robbed, but i also hate maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomahawk_trep Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 hughes won .. and randy outstruck vera 13 9 in round 1 and 32 to 13 in the third.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny2821 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I was unhappy with Mike Pierce vs Jon Fitch and Shogun vs Machida, but neither of those were a big thing considering how close they were in my opinion. The only really bad one I can think of off the top of my head is Hamill vs Jones not being declared a NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsit6989_specv Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The only problem with all the fights is they were decided by the judges....the fighters need to put it all on the line and finish some fights. If it is that close by the 3rd round, they should be going crazy to get the KO or submission. I have a huge amount of respect for all fighters as I couldn't come close to what these guys do, but I also have no sympathy for the fighters that think they got robbed by the judges. Finish the fight within 15 minutes and we wont have these issues anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 bottom line is if the fights boring etc and your fighting just to survive 3 or 5 rounds and making no real impact dont be surprised with the judges scoring...i had vera winning by a slim margin,but he didnt do much in that fight to impress me...until theres a law that you can put a judge in front of a firing squad for serial killing a decision...cough(hamill vs bisping) not much we can do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Not even Shogun vs Machida. nah... machida won the match... What so many do not realize is that the judges are NOT watching the fight on tape.. They do NOT have the possibility to Zoom and change angles.. And they have to score the match while watching it.. Not after looking at replays for a couple of hours... If Shogun "Whine whine whine" Rua wanted to win the match he should have knocked Machida the fu*k out.. Hopefully the rematch will be mroe decicive. Anyway.. The weather is good right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 i still think forrest won that cuz i dont think making 1 out of the 2 or 3 takedown attempts he tried in the first would win him the whole round cuz he was getting outboxed and kicked the whole fightand machida shogun shouldve been a draw. the first round is a 9/9 IMO it was way too close for anyone to get the legit nod Shogun won the last three rounds and you could even give him the first two. The first round might of been even but Shogun won the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Shogun won the last three rounds and you could even give him the first two. The first round might of been even but Shogun won the fight. I would only gave Machida the third round and even that is arguable. Shogun really was screwed by the judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaki_man Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Rampage's decision to pursue acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCExcession Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Rua was hard done by but it's kinda understandable that punches to the face get noticed in real time more than simultaneous leg kicks. Belcher's was a bad decision I thought. Vera beat Couture (IMHO that was much worse then the Rua decision too - worst one of the year) And Hamill/Jones should have been stopped long before the DQ (most dangerous refereeing decision of the year I think) I wasn't that convinced by Thiago Silva's loss to Rashad either...but I suppose Thiago did gas badly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Rampage's decision to pursue acting. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRYME Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Machida won. Stop whining. -buy the ticket. take the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMCMMA Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Vera vs Couture was not a wrong decision in any ways. Yes Vera got a few good shots in but a few good shots wasn't enough to win a decision over being controlled for an entire match. Granted holding someone to a fence isn't exactly exciting but it is a form of control and Randy cotrolled the whole match. Forrest vs Tito was not a bad decision either. The first round was close but after that Tito faded and did nothing in the third round except take hits. Which is why he lost. Tito continually faded and did literally nothing for the third round. I do agree with Machida vs Shogun. Shogun landed 2 times the amount of shots and did the most damage as well as faught at the pace he chose. Matt Serra should have won that fight. He did more all the way around and I think it was sympathy win for Hughes. give the guy a break he had a cracked skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMCMMA Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Machida won. Stop whining. -buy the ticket. take the ride. Shogun won -Buy a life. Get a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilvash878 Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 machida won rounds 1 through 3, very clearly to me and non internet friends forrest won very desicivly couture controlled the whole fight and dirty boxed his **** of, cept for the 15 seconds brandon was kicking his ****..lo0ol couture won no doubt the few of these i could see going either was struve beuntello and belcher akiyama. but both of those fights deserved fight on the night and were very fun to watch. i woulda been happy if either one of them won in both fights.(belcher superman punch off the cage was sweet) i think the stoppage on rothwell cain fight was early. the ref shoulda stopped it in the first if he was going to stop it for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRYME Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Shogun won -Buy a life. Get a job. that's why he has the belt huh? -buy the ticket. take the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judo_phantom Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 the only decision is disagreed with this year was tom lawlor's loss to aaron simpson. machida won against shogun. akiyama won against belcher. couture won against vera. struve won against buentello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderProdigy Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 i know this is overplayed but Shogun beat Machida in my eyes. definitly a close fight but man i gotta give it to Shogun, however i dont see that happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick00 Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 If it was the other way round and Shogun was champ and a fight with Machida was that close, I would absolutely hate seeing Shogun lose the belt in that way. Bring on the rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC_one4life Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Shogun won -Buy a life. Get a job. BOTH of you-Get over it! The Jon Jones-Hamill fight definitly shoulda been stopped sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volturi Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Machida vs Shogun, Hands down. I still dont understand the scoring for that fight, Ive seen pictures of the judges cards and i scratch my head everytime. They all came to the same score but gave different rounds to different fighters... Huh?? Cecil Peoples needs to find a new profession and take Mirgliotta with him. Ive seen the fight statistics and it all points to Shogun winning, Machida sustained alot of damage and landed nothing of any real significance on Shogun. Machida had no advantage as far as octagon control was concerned and Shogun dictated the pace to the point where you actually saw Machida straying from his gameplan in desperation. Cecil Peoples said "Leg kicks dont win fights" but what do you call Rampage vs Griffin then? I think what says it all is the look of total disappointment on Machida's face prior to the decision being read followed by utter shock/surprise at hearing his name being called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAmadmike Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Machida vs Shogun' date=' Hands down. I still dont understand the scoring for that fight, Ive seen pictures of the judges cards and i scratch my head everytime. They all came to the same score but gave different rounds to different fighters... Huh?? Cecil Peoples needs to find a new profession and take Mirgliotta with him. Ive seen the fight statistics and it all points to Shogun winning, Machida sustained alot of damage and landed nothing of any real significance on Shogun. Machida had no advantage as far as octagon control was concerned and Shogun dictated the pace to the point where you actually saw Machida straying from his gameplan in desperation. Cecil Peoples said "Leg kicks dont win fights" but what do you call Rampage vs Griffin then? I think what says it all is the look of total disappointment on Machida's face prior to the decision being read followed by utter shock/surprise at hearing his name being called.[/quote'] ^^This And shogun landed more shots to the head so you can't say machida tried to finish the fight and shogun just threw kicks! By far the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwolfe300 Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Deffiently vera vs couture. I gave it to vera via unanimous decision. Also shogun vs machida. Shogun clearly controled the entire fight and as Joe said he delt more damage to machida than anyone else ever has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team_spahr Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Shogun won -Buy a life. Get a job. interesting...W is in Machidas column. I really dont have a problem with any of the fights called last year. I think there should be draws in MMA. And a lot of these fights should be considered draws. But when you have to claim a winner, you get stupid decisions. So I have a problem with the system just claiming winners out of close fights. Machida still would have won if there were draws though 3 rounds to 2. But really if there were draws. Id probably have that fight 3 round draws, 2 rounds to shogun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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