Rob_Lazarus Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Frank Mir's stand up has looked very good several times. Some say it looked good against Nog because he was sick, but he caught and dropped Kongo on the feet. Carwin's stand up is decent. If you watch the fight against Neil Wain, it looks kind of sloppy though. Does anybody think he might try to take Mir down and G&P him? Or will he be too weary of the submission skill of Mir and keep it standing? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think Carwin will want to strike with Mir, that being said Mir might have a speed advantage on Carwin so it will be a tough fight to predict. Hopefully it's a war! Unlike Mir and Kongo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestfan52 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 i think hes gonna try to do exactly wat brock did to him-the second time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I think it may be a stand up war for the first minute, and Mir will realize how much more power Carwin has than he had thought. Mir will go for a takedown and Carwin will catch him. I like both guys, but I'm actually rooting for Mir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 it will be stand-up until mir connects, then carwin makes the boo-boo of taking francisco to the mat .. checkmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmanblood Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Frank Mir's stand up has looked very good several times. Some say it looked good against Nog because he was sick' date=' but he caught and dropped Kongo on the feet. Carwin's stand up is decent. If you watch the fight against Neil Wain, it looks kind of sloppy though. Does anybody think he might try to take Mir down and G&P him? Or will he be too weary of the submission skill of Mir and keep it standing? Thoughts?[/quote'] just because he landed a lucky punch on kongo doesn't mean his stand up is all that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestfan52 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 just because he landed a lucky punch on kongo doesn't mean his stand up is all that great. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 just because he landed a lucky punch on kongo doesn't mean his stand up is all that great. I have to disagree, Frank knew what he was doing. I think the real luck was that Mir didn't break Kongo's windpipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThresherShark17 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin should try to keep the fight standing if he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 i think he should take a page out of Brocks book...neutralize his BJJ then GnP...but its a tough call since ive never seen how his cardio or ground skills are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmanblood Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I have to disagree' date=' Frank knew what he was doing. I think the real luck was that Mir didn't break Kongo's windpipe.[/quote'] they both were doing the same thing. (trading punches) frank just got lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 they both were doing the same thing. (trading punches) frank just got lucky Yeah but after the fight Frank mentioned he had been working on head/hand fakes with his boxing coach. They said they noticed Kongo had no head movement. I'd have to agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher101 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin is just gonna try 'n' knock him out, brah! He'll succeed too if Mir thinks he can stand with him. Shane has frightening power. But, then again, Mir has a God awful take down, so he's gonna put himself in danger if he shoots for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
720fighter Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 In the fight with Kongo, the punch was effective because Kongo was off balance. Mir doesn't necessarily have one hit KO power in his hands. Too knockout Carwin he would have to throw all of weight into the punch. MIr should have speed on his side but it wouldn't be smart to stand with Carwin for too long and he doesn't have great takedowns either. Mediocre takedowns against a larger and superior wrestler is not a good idea. Also when Mir does get hit hard its a bad day for him. The fight should be interesting stylistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwiftSpear Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Kongo had that "oh ****" moment, where you train entirely grappling for a fight and then realize that the other guy's standup isn't quite as 1 dimensional as you thought it was going to be. Carwin won't quite have the same problem, I think they're going to train for the all around dangerous Frank Mir. But I see the fight going more or less the same way the Gonzaga fight went. Great jitz guy with great hands goes against a Wrestler that doesn't fear the takedown at all, and only needs 4 inches of punch space to shut you off. Through guts and power the Wrestler takes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp_jao Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's a hard fight to call but I see Mir winning somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 carwin has good wrestling, more power and more explosive than brock, better stand up and, he had a bjj black belt and gave it up when nate the great started training him out of respect for nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 carwin has good wrestling' date=' more power and more explosive than brock, better stand up [/quote'] ... excellent point ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin will try and take it to the ground no doubt. Mir is the better striker. Not counting the Congo fight because Congo was caught with his hands down worrying about not getting taken down. But overall Mir has better striking in his fights and has been training his entire MMA career on his stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 carwin has good wrestling' date=' more power and more explosive than brock, better stand up[/quote']Don't make me laugh, Carwin got one lucky punch. Brock has dropped every UFC fighter he has fought with strikes. Power and explosiveness and wrestling is where Brock shines...you got to be kidding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roads55 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 just because he landed a lucky punch on kongo doesn't mean his stand up is all that great. just because carwin landed a lucky punch on gonzaga doesn't mean his is either. carwin just had loads more power than mir. where as mir has the technical and speed advantage imo. these contrasting styles should make for a good fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roads55 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Don't make me laugh' date=' Carwin got one lucky punch. Brock has dropped every UFC fighter he has fought with strikes. Power and explosiveness and wrestling is where Brock shines...you got to be kidding me.[/quote'] well ye Brock only hit them, because they were concentrating so much on defending from Brock's take-down's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 just because carwin landed a lucky punch on gonzaga doesn't mean his is either. carwin just had loads more power than mir. where as mir has the technical and speed advantage imo. these contrasting styles should make for a good fight. Exactly, Mir vs Kongo was NOT a lucky punch, he tricked Kongo into expecting the instant takedown and got caught off guard. Carwin's punch on Gonzaga was nothing more than a lucky punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 well ye Brock only hit them' date=' because they were concentrating so much on defending from Brock's take-down's[/quote']Really? You think Herring was expecting the takedown after that big knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 ..but its a tough call since ive never seen how his cardio or ground skills are? Carwin looked pretty tired after the short exchange with Gonzaga. I like both Mir and Carwin, but am rooting for Carwin. I think Carwin's cardio is suspect. We'll see. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin looked pretty tired after the short exchange with Gonzaga. I like both Mir and Carwin' date=' but am rooting for Carwin. I think Carwin's cardio is suspect. We'll see. Can't wait.[/quote'] When you have that much muscle it saps your cardio faster. Mir has never been known for his conditioning either, I doubt this fight will go the distance anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin's punch on Gonzaga was nothing more than a lucky punch. I don't know about this.... I just went and watched the segment of the punch over and over about 15 times right now, and it looks like a pretty well executed and deliberate punch. I think Mir has an advantage in this fight, but I'd like to see Carwin win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I don't know about this.... I just went and watched the segment of the punch over and over about 15 times right now' date=' and it looks like a pretty well executed and deliberate punch. I think Mir has an advantage in this fight, but I'd like to se Carwin win it.[/quote']Yes I would like to see Carwin win it too, Mir will tell the world how good Carwin is and how he beat him without even get any scratches otherwise. I just think Mir is on another level nowadays, he has learned a lot since he got Mauled by Ian Freeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 When you have that much muscle it saps your cardio faster. Mir has never been known for his conditioning either' date=' I doubt this fight will go the distance anyways.[/quote'] Yup, I agree with you on all of these points..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 The punch Carwin landed on Gonzaga is not lucky. These guys train and have intent in what they throw. I guess the luck would be more of whether it hits them directly on the chin or their cheek. (Reference the Manhoef/Lawlor fight?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 The punch Carwin landed on Gonzaga is not lucky. These guys train and have intent in what they throw. I guess the luck would be more of whether it hits them directly on the chin or their cheek. (Reference the Manhoef/Lawlor fight?) Any trained fighter can hit the chin when the opponent thinks you are rocked and focuses on whooping your ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yes I would like to see Carwin win it too' date=' Mir will tell the world how good Carwin is and how he beat him without even get any scratches otherwise. I just think Mir is on another level nowadays, he has learned a lot since he got Mauled by Ian Freeman.[/quote'] Haha, YES, Mir will give respect to Carwin, but none to Brock..... You're right!!! Can't wait to see this fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Any trained fighter can hit the chin when the opponent thinks you are rocked and focuses on whooping your ****. Well then is Carwin lucky or Gonzaga sloppy? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roads55 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Really? You think Herring was expecting the takedown after that big knee? before the knee ye, after he saw 280 pounds of lesner charging at him like a enraged bull ...probably not. and lesner's stand up was completely unknown at that point i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Haha' date=' YES, Mir will give respect to Carwin, but none to Brock..... You're right!!! Can't wait to see this fight![/quote']You are a spazz. I said he won't give respect to CARWIN and he wont, did he give respect to Sims, Abbot, Nog, Kongo? NOPE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Well then is Carwin lucky or Gonzaga sloppy? :confused: Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roads55 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Exactly' date=' Mir vs Kongo was NOT a lucky punch, he tricked Kongo into expecting the instant takedown and got caught off guard. Carwin's punch on Gonzaga was nothing more than a lucky punch.[/quote'] completely agree, kinda like manhoeff vs lawler, arlovski vs sylvia imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Both. haha, either way it was an impressive showing of strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 haha' date=' either way it was an impressive showing of strength[/quote']Strength no doubt, but skill...bleh not really but we all have our own opinions of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Strength no doubt' date=' but skill...bleh not really but we all have our own opinions of course.[/quote'] I never said it was skilled, but it wasn't lucky either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtp Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I really dont think that anybody can beat Mir until he gets Lesnar again. Im just sayin. Carwin is going to be the next victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yes I would like to see Carwin win it too' date=' Mir will tell the world how good Carwin is and how he beat him without even get any scratches otherwise. I just think Mir is on another level nowadays, he has learned a lot since he got Mauled by Ian Freeman.[/quote'] Ahhhh, you see here's how I interpreted it before you called me a "spazz". This is called a dangling participle. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangling_modifier When you said "Mir will tell the world how good Carwin is and how he beat him....", I interpreted the word "HE" as being Carwin, in other words, giving respect to Carwin after he (Mir) loses. Enough of the name-calling there chum! Grammar, that's how mistakes are made... HUGE mistakes that have cost nations billions of dollars, and have embarrassed the greatest scholars the world has known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 You are a spazz. I said he won't give respect to CARWIN and he wont' date=' did he give respect to Sims, Abbot, Nog, Kongo? NOPE![/quote'] Read my post above this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Ahhhh' date=' you see here's how I interpreted it before you called me a "spazz". This is called a dangling participle. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangling_modifier When you said "Mir will tell the world how good Carwin is and how he beat him....", I interpreted the word "HE" as being Carwin, in other words, giving respect to Carwin after he (Mir) loses. Enough of the name-calling there chum! Learn grammar, that's how mistakes are made... HUGE mistakes that have cost nations billions of dollars, and have embarrassed the greatest scholars the world has known. Out of respect to himself, he will disrespect Carwin pre fight then after he beats him he will tell the world how good Carwin is and how much better he is for beating Carwin. Sorry for calling you a spazz, I didn't explain myself properly...you can go ahead and call me a spazz in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roads55 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Well then is Carwin lucky or Gonzaga sloppy? :confused: bit of both i think, gonzaga didn't necessarily get sloppy as i think most ppl in that position where he'd rocked carwin really bad would go berserker mode and go in for the kill without expecting any returning offence from carwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Out of respect to himself' date=' he will disrespect Carwin pre fight then after he beats him he will tell the world how good Carwin is and how much better he is for beating Carwin. Sorry for calling you a spazz, I didn't explain myself properly...you can go ahead and call me a spazz in that case.[/quote'] Hey guy... PEACE.... I like your postings. Hope to chat again. You're no spazz, I really enjoy this forum and value everyone's opinion. I just interpreted your initial statement differently than the way you intended it to be delivered. Carwin is really classy. He never seems to bad-mouth anybody. I hope Mir doesn't trash-talk him too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 bit of both i think' date=' gonzaga didn't necessarily get sloppy as i think most ppl in that position where he'd rocked carwin really bad would go berserker mode and go in for the kill without expecting any returning offence from carwin[/quote']+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Carwin is really classy. He never seems to bad-mouth anybody. I hope Mir doesn't trash-talk him too much. I agree, I am rooting for Carwin too. But I see Mir taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR_Ryder Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I agree' date=' I am rooting for Carwin too. But I see Mir taking it.[/quote'] Ya, unfortunately I see Mir winning too. This forum will be buzzing after the fight, regardless of the outcome. The only good thing about it (if Mir wins), is that we'll get to see a third fight between Lesnar / Mir ..... YAAAAAA!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
321Crazy Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 In the fight with Kongo' date=' the punch was effective because Kongo was off balance. Mir doesn't necessarily have one hit KO power in his hands. Too knockout Carwin he would have to throw all of weight into the punch. MIr should have speed on his side but it wouldn't be smart to stand with Carwin for too long and he doesn't have great takedowns either. Mediocre takedowns against a larger and superior wrestler is not a good idea. Also when Mir does get hit hard its a bad day for him. The fight should be interesting stylistically.[/quote'] To say that any UFC fighter in the heavyweight division doesn't have one hit KO "power" is a little crazy. If they have the quickness and skill to execute it on the head the defending opponent is really the question. In the case of Mir vs Carwin, I believe Carwin will be the executioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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