causisaysso Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What is the point of the 265 weight limit? Why not let "heavy weights" fight at what ever weight they want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinNinja Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 We dont want people the size of The Great Khali or The Big Show in UFC, they are in a weight division of their own... Above EVERYONE else. Wheres the competition in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causisaysso Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I don't think either of those two are good enough real fighters to be a factor in the UFC. And look at that giant Korean dude (Choi?), he's at least as big as big show and Kali and he certainly wasn't dominant by any means. I say add another weight class for the low to mid 200lbers, and then have an open division for "heavyweights". Why should being too big disqualify you from the UFC or any other combat sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLITO Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i like the 265 limit but if they throw in like a 235 limit for heavy then maybe they can do a 300 or 320super heavy ,, but then again they dont have enough heavys as it is so whats the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causisaysso Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 So then take off the weight limit for heavy weights, you'll open up the weight class to more fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0xyg3n Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 its not a bad idea. ive heard alot of fans call for a SHW or cruiserweight class. maybe a class at 230 and then open class or top it out at 300? its not a bad idea, but the HW's tend to be a "weaker" division anyway. i guess talent isn't common among big dudes? so filled out 2 divisions with the talent of the weakest division would be tough this idea will never take off unless someone with some power gets behind it. like a state commissioner, promoter or judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarvaLaw50 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 People complain so heartily with current heavy weights doing the "lay and pray"....what do you think is gonna happen if you start letting huge super heavy guys in? They won't be able to maintain but a certain level of athleticism (not every 320 pounder can be super athletic like Broc or Shaq or Demarcus Ware) and will gas quickly. They will then use their superior size and strength to lay on top of a dude and try to either steal a round or get a TKO stoppage with strikes. Look at alot of the superheavy vs superheavy fights from the old days in Japan, that's what happened. I think this is one of the chief reasons the UFC hasn't done it. It's also the chief reason I am opposed to it. If I wanna see a bunch of huge guys lay on each other and try to smother their way to victory, I can go to a local "tuff man" contest and at least get a cheap beer to go along with it. Just my humble opinion. -Farva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CravenMorehead Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Not sure about other states but in my state the high school HW limit is 285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsilva Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 They should bring mark hunt to the ufc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott__hutchy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 yeah this is one of the rules frank mir wants changing he mentioned on mma live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOGMAN Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I don't think they should add a 230 lb weight class. Guys should just suck it up and lose 20 pounds, or gain 20 pounds. Neither is THAT hard to do as long as you do it the right way. If they do anything, it will be add a 265+ weight class with no ceiling. This will make for some snooze fest fights were guys gas after 45 seconds and hug each other. Bottom line is, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyWeightStriker Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I don't think they should add a 230 lb weight class. Guys should just suck it up and lose 20 pounds' date=' or gain 20 pounds. Neither is THAT hard to do as long as you do it the right way.[b'] If they do anything, it will be add a 265+ weight class with no ceiling. This will make for some snooze fest fights were guys gas after 45 seconds and hug each other.[/b] Bottom line is, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Obviously it is broke else so many people would not keep bringing it up. There could be alot of younger "Brock type prospects" out there in High schools and colleges that weigh 300+ that can't or don't want to make the cut to 265, but would still put on an exiting fight without gasing. But they do not pursue MMA because of the weight limit, so there might not be an immediate result, but who knows in 5 years it might be huge!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron91 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree, Its unfair on fighters who are just too big to cut to 265lbs that they cant fight In the worlds top promotion,Its unfair on guys like Brock aswell, His natural weight is 320lbs, Thats a BIG cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What is the point of the 265 weight limit? Why not let "heavy weights" fight at what ever weight they want to? What is the point of any weight limits? Why not just let everyone fight at whatever weight they want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmgItzTheMothman Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What is the point of any weight limits? Why not just let everyone fight at whatever weight they want to? Please tell me your kidding??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorddeano Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The only way to do this would be a super heavy division of 265+, I do believe that the heavyiest division shouldnt have a weight limit, but it would have to be seperate. You wouldnt want to be fighting a guy 70lbs+ heavy than you, coz like people said before.. they would just lay on you! B-O-R-I-N-G!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 If HW limits are illogical then all limits are illogical OR HW limits as as logical as any other weight limits. Personally I think the 265 lb upper limit is jus about right for the division. You might want to raise it a bit due to the new science of weight gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPiTFiRE1988 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 yeh i totally agree there should be no limit in the heavy weight division or at least make it upto 285 or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmgItzTheMothman Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yeah now that i can agree with, i think they should raise it a bit but not keep it open. 285 would be good.. but dont expect to see Brock at 285,i would expect him to weigh in around 270ish. That extra 10-15 pounds wouldnt be muscle, it would be fat that would really slow him down, and Brock knows that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 so what? every other weight class has a limit, people already moan about brock being too big, there has to be a weight limit or stefan struve would end up 400 pounds of muscle and then people would moan. there's weight classes for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openeye Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I'd much rather see featherweights in the UFC than SHW's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyWeightStriker Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I'd much rather see featherweights in the UFC than SHW's. Ya midget fighting!!! whoo whoo!!!!!!!!:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthWest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i want to see a 230 or 235 class, althought the talent isnt there it would come, you would have smaller hw's like cain and larger lh's moving into the class, i think it would actually be quite an excieting division, then push the upper end of HW to 285 or what ever it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 yes you can say crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megasoup Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Let's put aside the fact that SHW would be boring. I think most people can agree on that. Fighters are "tough" guys. If you are Cain Velasquez, you could easily move down to 205, but there is a reason you don't. You want to prove that you're are hands down the best in the world, or at least are capable enough to fight anyone. You're not looking to hide behind a weight class. Don't confuse this with a slam on lighter weight classes. I respect them, and as a boxer I know that I have more success as a cruiserweight. I tried 200+ and I do well with fat guys, but not serious athletes. They knock me out. Not everyone can fight big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megasoup Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I forgot to add in my last comment... I'm against adding a 225 or some other in between weight class. I was using Cain as an example to support that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kaiser Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What is the point of the 265 weight limit? Why not let "heavy weights" fight at what ever weight they want to? You still have tremendous versatility of styles in the HW division with the 265 limit. Styles make great matchups and therefore make great matches. If you eliminate the weight limit, I think you'd see the HW division limit it's array of styles down to the point where it doesn't even feel like mixed martial arts anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_M Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i like the 265 limit but if they throw in like a 235 limit for heavy then maybe they can do a 300 or 320super heavy ' date=', but then again they dont have enough heavys as it is so whats the point[/quote'] yeah but i think adding some of these freakshow fights once in a while would still get a bit extra ppv buys for the ufc. im pretty sure alot of casual mma fans might decide to buy a ppv if they say bob sapp on the card (and i dont mean i want him in the ufc, but its still fun to see him get his *** kicked of people half his size) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 This topic pops up here every now and then and the answer is that the hw class has to shallow of a talent pool to split it in half. So Brock will continue to pound on fighters 40lbs lighter than himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carica1406052318 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I think it would be nice to have a SHW division. It would bring more fighters to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causisaysso Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree it would be kinda bogus to see a 400+ pound blob defeat a good 250lb figher by just avalanching him and laying on top of him. But I think it would be entertaining to see two 400+ pound blobs try and out smother each other. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack_415 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 why have any wieght classes at all? its gotta have some organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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