Trodrigues Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Back to pride days some fighters could do some nice damages with kicks to the head of a grounded opponent, what's your opinion ? I mean kicks, not knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd425 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i think the safety of the fighters would have to come into play here. i mean it would be ok but i mean honestly it doesnt take skill to kick someone when they are down plus the fighters would get hurt a lot more than they already do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungGarWarrior Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 you can kick em while they are down,just not to the head. You should edit this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe245 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I think it takes the UFC away from what they're trying to achieve with the sport and back to a '****-fighting' image, so no... they should not allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Din71 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Back to pride days some fighters could do some nice damages with it' date=' what's your opinion ? I mean kicks, [b']not knees[/b]. I think you should watch a UFC event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trodrigues Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 you can kick em while they are down' date='just not to the head. You should edit this post.[/quote'] I think everyone understood what I said, but ok I'll edit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trodrigues Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I think you should watch a UFC event. I think you should think a little, I didn't mention PRIDE for nothing, so this means.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp_jao Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I really would not mind it. It's the other people, such as the media or politics that would start to call our sport brutal all over again. Imagine all the controversy ALL OVER again. I could imagine some governors trying to ban the sport again in their state. The UFC went through a lot to make this sport fully regulated by the Athletic State Com. I don't think they want or could allow kicks(to a downed opponent) in the sport again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackknight Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 My understanding is in the UFC you can kick someone that is down just not in the head. And no I dont think they should allow a downed fighter to be kicked in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Kicks to head of downed opponent is a rule yo use when you don;t own the fighters and could care less if they end up in the grave. So no. The UFC should not allow kicks to the heads of downed opponents. Head butts - same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon1406052403 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 mmmm na i think at first i was for it, because i thought in a fight i would want to kick/stomp somebody who is on the ground in the head. but this is a sport not a fight, and i do really enjoy the BJJ/grappling stuff. And without having to worry about somebody stomping on your face, you see more BJJ/grappling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickTF Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 No, too many injuries and careers will shorten as a result of the kicks to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbo86 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yeah u can cause damage but it gives the downed opponent chance to stand if he hasnt got some1 on top thus allowing the fight 2 b stood up again and let it be more entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmgItzTheMothman Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 For the record Trodrigues, i did understand what you meant, u just said it a little diffrently lol.. but no i dont think the UFC should legalize kicking the head of a downed opponent. it would be like taking steps backwards, MMA is so close to becoming a nationaly recognized sport (in the US) and i dont think this would help. Could you imagine a senetor that is contimplating legalizing MMA watch a Wanderlei Silva stomping on somebodys head?? Not a pretty picture lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStandard Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 kicks to the head of a downed opponent? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUTFO Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I loved the pride rules they rocked but i voted no because the ufc is not pride and the ufc datoesn't want it to look like barbaric combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyWeightStriker Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Ya kik em in da hed hehehe!!!!!!:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Din71 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I think you should think a little' date=' I didn't mention PRIDE for nothing, so this means.. ?[/quote'] In that case, no, I would have to say no kicks to the head while downed. These guys are powerfull enough to seriously hurt a person with their fists alone. The power they can generate with their legs is just insane. The reason a lot of the old rules were taken out was to make the sport more commercial. Kicks to the head (while downed), head butts, hairpulling, are all something I would expect to see in a schoolyard fight, not in a professional forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioHazard8021 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Kicks to head of downed opponent is a rule yo use when you don;t own the fighters and could care less if they end up in the grave. So no. The UFC should not allow kicks to the heads of downed opponents. Head butts - same thing. I never really understood the concern with head butts. A valuable tool in any street fight, what's the big concern for them in an mma fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trodrigues Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I never really understood the concern with head butts. A valuable tool in any street fight' date=' what's the big concern for them in an mma fight?[/quote'] Headbutts can make seriously damages.. I have seen a lot of accidentally headbutts that instantly make one/both fighter(s) bleed, imagine if the fighter put power on it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioHazard8021 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Headbutts can make seriously damages.. I have seen a lot of accidentally headbutts that instantly make one/both fighter(s) bleed' date=' imagine if the fighter put power on it ?[/quote'] To me, this is like saying a punch or a kick or a knee can cause serious damage. But i guess that's just my opinion. I think it would be just another clinch tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 It wasnt such a big deal in PRIDE because the fighters were in a ring. It's different in the UFC, because they're fighting in a cage, so a fighter could receive serious damage if they were getting kicked in the head while their head was up against the cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za_Xiong Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmdsounddotcom Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Headstomps and knees to the face are very dangerous, though, getting "hammerfisted" by a 300lb Brock Lesnar seems pretty lethal too... hmmm Maybe only the LW's can do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuteboxcamp25 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 personnally id like all aspects of fighting to be included. except biting and eye gauging of course. its all part of fighting. to me its interesting to see how these guys with different styles can handle different kinda attacks. but there would have to be rules. for example if your gonna stomp you can only lift your foot so high above your opponent before you stomp him. course that might be begging for some sort of leglock. i like fighting in its purest form. like the old school UFC. it really gives us a better gage of how good a particular style or fighter really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 No one was ever permanantly hurt in Pride when he was kicked in the head on the ground. if you can kick someone in the head standing up why cant you kick him on the ground. Its the same thing. And it does take skill to kick someone in the head while on the ground. Little Nogueira defended all the footstomps and soccer kicks against Shogun if you would watch that fight. Good fighters always knew how to defend soccer kicks. It even creates more opportunities for Bjj guys to attempt a leglock when someone is kicking the head of the grounded opponent. As someone else mentioned I also like fighting at its purest form beacuse I feel that some strikers are handicapped against wrestlers. In my country stomps and kicks and knees are still allowed and I havent seen anyone more injured as with the rules that the UFC uses. In the UFC I would allow knees and kicks to the downed opponents head but I wouldnt allow stomps against a downed opponent beacuse the UFC uses cage and they could be dangerous. And people would get used to these kind of strikes. Its not like ground and pound is more humane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 It's no upto the ufc, it's whether the commissions would allow it, new york doesn't even have it as is, if foot stomps and soccer kicks were added they wouldn't get sanctioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares9139 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 It wasnt such a big deal in PRIDE because the fighters were in a ring. It's different in the UFC' date=' because they're fighting in a cage, so a fighter could receive serious damage if they were getting kicked in the head while their head was up against the cage.[/quote'] ^^ This. I doubt athletic commissions would allow it either (when Pride came to the US they weren't allowed to do it). It would only make things worse for the sport in the eyes of the critics, allowing you to kick the head of a downed opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 ^^ This. I doubt athletic commissions would allow it either (when Pride came to the US they weren't allowed to do it). It would only make things worse for the sport in the eyes of the critics' date=' allowing you to kick the head of a downed opponent.[/quote'] Yeah but these critics dont know what they are talking about most of the times. I bet they never watch MMA anyways. Critics are usually mothers and old dudes who just see violence in martial arts and something that it is bad for the kids. I know nothing will change beacuse in the end its all about the money but it would be really cool if they would allow kicks and knees to the downed opponents again. Its not that I want to see more violence in the MMA but I feel that some martial arts are at an advantage beacuse of the current rules. Wrestlers for an example would only shoot when they would be certain. it would also be less layin and praying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares9139 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yeah but these critics dont know what they are talking about most of the times. I bet they never watch MMA anyways. Critics are usually mothers and old dudes who just see violence in martial arts and something that it is bad for the kids. I know nothing will change beacuse in the end its all about the money but it would be really cool if they would allow kicks and knees to the downed opponents again. Its not that I want to see more violence in the MMA but I feel that some martial arts are at an advantage beacuse of the current rules. Wrestlers for an example would only shoot when they would be certain. it would also be less layin and praying... Yes, but these critics can still stand in the way of the sport becoming mainstream, why add fuel to the fire? I don't think that the whole kicks and knees thing would translate well to UFC, and it would probably be too dangerous to give it a test run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yes' date=' but these critics can still stand in the way of the sport becoming mainstream, why add fuel to the fire? I don't think that the whole kicks and knees thing would translate well to UFC, and it would probably be too dangerous to give it a test run.[/quote'] I know they would but from a viewers perspective I dont know if I really want for this sport to become mainstream. Of course the UFC from a bussiness perspective wants the mainstream auddience so I know it wount happen. I dont know it was completly fine in Pride. Maybe it would be different beacuse of the cage in the UFC but if they would only allow kicks and knees not stomps I dont know what could go wrong. Really knee from the clinch is as powerfull as knee on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares9139 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I know they would but from a viewers perspective I dont know if I really want for this sport to become mainstream. Of course the UFC from a bussiness perspective wants the mainstream auddience so I know it wount happen.I dont know it was completly fine in Pride. Maybe it would be different beacuse of the cage in the UFC but if they would only allow kicks and knees not stomps I dont know what could go wrong. Really knee from the clinch is as powerfull as knee on the ground. Not when your head's trapped up against the cage it's not, same with the stomps, far more dangerous in the cage. A knee on the ground requires less of a setup and it can have far more power and momentum than one from the clinch. Trapped against the cage, this could be very dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Not when your head's trapped up against the cage it's not' date=' same with the stomps, far more dangerous in the cage. A knee on the ground requires less of a setup and it can have far more power and momentum than one from the clinch. Trapped against the cage, this could be very dangerous.[/quote'] Well since you have putt it like this I actually agree with you. Maybe it wouldnt be such a good idea afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepsism Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Nope. "Soccer kicks" to a downed opponent's head is dirty talentless thuggery. Potentially career ending stuff. Would not do wonders for the sport. From memory the reason they removed headbutts was to stop opponents getting cut so badly fights had to be stopped "prematurely". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 absolutely not...we are trying to evolve MMA not turn it into a streetfighting theme...like the days of old when the UFC was in its infancy...as someone else stated ...it takes no skill to kick a downed opponent in the head...we have enough highlight clips to satisfy the more violent memebers of the forum who want to see brain matter on the canvas...they need only rent early UFC videos for that...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 absolutely not...we are trying to evolve MMA not turn it into a streetfighting theme...like the days of old when the UFC was in its infancy...as someone else stated ...it takes no skill to kick a downed opponent in the head...we have enough highlight clips to satisfy the more violent memebers of the forum who want to see brain matter on the canvas...they need only rent early UFC videos for that...lol I dont understand this: It doesnt take skill to kick a downed opponent?! How come Nogueira was never stomped or Wanderlei or Shogun or Crocop or Werdum. Skilled fighters in Pride always knew how to defend it. You think you could just stomp someone like Wanderlei or Nogueira if he would be on the ground. And I dont recall no more injuries when they used stomps and soccer kicks. You think that a kick can damage you, while a ground and pound from Kongo or Carwin is more humane? Coleman is fine today and he took a soccer kick from Crocop. I agree that Cage might me a factor why not to use soccer kicks or stomps but it has been tested in a ring and its not more dangerous and yes it takes skill to land a soccer kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I dont understand this: It doesnt take skill to kick a downed opponent?! How come Nogueira was never stomped or Wanderlei or Shogun or Crocop or Werdum. Skilled fighters in Pride always knew how to defend it. You think you could just stomp someone like Wanderlei or Nogueira if he would be on the ground. And I dont recall no more injuries when they used stomps and soccer kicks. You think that a kick can damage you' date=' while a ground and pound from Kongo or Carwin is more humane? Coleman is fine today and he took a soccer kick from Crocop.I agree that Cage might me a factor why not to use soccer kicks or stomps but it has been tested in a ring and its not more dangerous and yes it takes skill to land a soccer kick.[/quote'] i think you misunderstood me?a down opponent who is defenceless?or stunned by blow that still has him seeing stars?now plz tell me how he could defend a kick to the head?when a opponent reaches this state...it takes no skill to kick him in the head...good example would be gonzaga dropping my main man CroCop...hes totally defenceless...refs not there to react quick enough... so gonzaga comes in for good measure soccer kicks or foot stomps etc CroCop for good measure?i mean do i really need to go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poonmachine Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Back to pride days some fighters could do some nice damages with kicks to the head of a grounded opponent' date=' what's your opinion ? I mean kicks, [b']not knees[/b]. they can do it in pride cus its a ringg not a cage you can easily trap a fighter against a cage. footstops to a downed opponent will never be ok in the ufc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i think you misunderstood me?a down opponent who is defenceless?or stunned by blow that still has him seeing stars?now plz tell me how he could defend a kick to the head?when a opponent reaches this state...it takes no skill to kick him in the head...good example would be gonzaga dropping my main man CroCop...hes totally defenceless...refs not there to react quick enough... so gonzaga comes in for good measure soccer kicks or foot stomps etc CroCop for good measure?i mean do i really need to go on? I dont recall anyone kicking opponents head when he was already unconcious. What are you talking about? Obviously they should stop the fight when its already over. So its ok to punch him after a KO. I dont get what you are trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerribleWilliamson Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 There's somthing kind of unappealing about kicking someone when he's down. It seems weak IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyZadar Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I dont recall anyone kicking opponents head when he was already unconcious. What are you talking about? Obviously they should stop the fight when its already over. So its ok to punch him after a KO. I dont get what you are trying to say sighs...lol...its not ok to punch a opponent while hes out...but it does happen...now the thread says should head kicks be allowed in the UFC while a opponents grounded(down)...imagine a kick instead of a punch to a opponent when hes out?as i stated b4 a punch to a knocked out opponent does happen...imagine if kicks were allowed?i read your previous posts about not wanting the UFC to go mainstream...at least this gives me insight in your thinking...MMA is evolving from the old days...either your with the times or simply get left behind pouting about the old glory blood and guts of old UFC...fighter safety has always been UFC's standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I never really understood the concern with head butts. A valuable tool in any street fight' date=' what's the big concern for them in an mma fight?[/quote'] The concern is the health of the fighters. Head butts produce massive cuts and bleeding. So if you are running a Pancrease or something - who cares? If you are running a fight organisation you want the fighters to be able to fight several times a year. Head butts work against a guy fighting several times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 sighs...lol...its not ok to punch a opponent while hes out...but it does happen...now the thread says should head kicks be allowed in the UFC while a opponents grounded(down)...imagine a kick instead of a punch to a opponent when hes out?as i stated b4 a punch to a knocked out opponent does happen...imagine if kicks were allowed?i read your previous posts about not wanting the UFC to go mainstream...at least this gives me insight in your thinking...MMA is evolving from the old days...either your with the times or simply get left behind pouting about the old glory blood and guts of old UFC...fighter safety has always been UFC's standard... I am all about fighters safety. I dont like the mainstream beacuse of things like that fighters feel the necesety to trash talk to get exposure, I dont like overhyping fights and so many fans who just boo at events. That is what I understand is the mainstream. I dont know noone was ever hurt in Pride more than he was in the UFC. And punching and kickig opponent who is out should be illegal anyways. I am not even talking about that. I just feel that strikers dont get to use their full arsenal while wrestlers can get away with things that wouldnt otherwise. Countless shoots afar and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuteboxcamp25 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The concern is the health of the fighters. Head butts produce massive cuts and bleeding. So if you are running a Pancrease or something - who cares? If you are running a fight organisation you want the fighters to be able to fight several times a year. Head butts work against a guy fighting several times a year. imo they wouldnt cut fighters any worse than elbows. headbutts should be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 imo they wouldnt cut fighters any worse than elbows. headbutts should be allowed. Your opinion is noted. The fact is that head butts produce massive cuts and bleeding. They are not conducive to fighting often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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