So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Who do you think would win. Serra stated it would be to hard to go to 155, and before fighting GSP, BJ needs to beat a welterweight... I will give this to Serra he has the hands and the ground game, it would be close but Serra is my fav so I would be rooting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Who do you think would win. Serra stated it would be to hard to go to 155' date=' and before fighting GSP, BJ needs to beat a welterweight... I will give this to Serra he has the hands and the ground game, it would be close but Serra is my fav so I would be rooting for him.[/quote'] They already fought in the UFC a long time ago. Penn won a decision in that fight and I think he would win again but it would be exciting. I think it would definately be a stand-up fight and there would probably be a finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 They already fought in the UFC a long time ago. Penn won a decision in that fight and I think he would win again but it would be exciting. I think it would definately be a stand-up fight and there would probably be a finish. I know they fought before! I think Serra and BJ have improved their hands, but I think Serra has the heavier hands, I don't think its a good idea for him to exchange regardless of BJ's great stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grappler774 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I could see BJ beating Matt again if they had a rematch. Would be fun to watch for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Good fight. Serra is underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtp Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Good fight. Serra is underrated. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack_415 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 serra would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I know they fought before! I think Serra and BJ have improved their hands' date=' but I think Serra has the heavier hands, I don't think its a good idea for him to exchange regardless of BJ's great stand up.[/quote'] Serra has heavier hands but Penn has the heavier skull so they cancel each other out. As much as I am a Matt Serra fan, Trigg made him look better than he is right now. He should have to fight tougher opponents before he gets a shot at Penn at any weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Good fight. Serra is underrated. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Serra has heavier hands but Penn has the heavier skull so they cancel each other out. As much as I am a Matt Serra fan' date=' Trigg made him look better than he is right now. He should have to fight tougher opponents before he gets a shot at Penn at any weight.[/quote'] Well Serra beat GSP, i think he beat Hughes, and he just knocked out Trigg, so i think he deserves BJ at 170. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 And Serra has stand up skill too, hes not just throwing, ill tell u that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack_415 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Well Serra beat GSP' date=' i think he beat Hughes, and he just knocked out Trigg, so i think he deserves BJ at 170.[/quote'] he lost to hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 he lost to hughes I know technically, but I thought he won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 i think BJ should have to beat a WW wrestler before he gets another crack at GSP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgivemyhonesty Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 i think BJ should have to beat a WW wrestler before he gets another crack at GSP... BJ vs KOS? Fitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJSMAN Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Serra would beat BJ now! BJ has turned into a flat footed striker,,,,,very little kicks and for some reason has abondoned most of his ground game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJMahler Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Pretty sure GSP crushed him in the 2nd fight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Are you talking about Serra or BJ, either way them losing to GSP doesn't help either side lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 You all still high from last night? Geesus H Christ! BJ would run thru Serra @ WW or any other weight, heavy hands or not. BJ would pick him apart. You people give me a headache. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueGrit Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I think this would be a good match actually..Like when BJ decides to go back up to WW he could take one matt cause he already took on matt hughes who was one of the only guys to beat GSP and Serra bein the other only one..Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo_UFC1406051762 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 You all still high from last night? Geesus H Christ! BJ would run thru Serra @ WW or any other weight' date=' heavy hands or not. BJ would pick him apart. You people give me a headache. :mad:[/quote'] best post this thread has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Serra will smash Penn. Penn is way overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueGrit Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Serra will smash Penn. Penn is way overrated. I dont think penn is that overrated.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I dont think penn is that overrated.. He sure is. He is all talk. He is a great 155, BUT the LW division sucks. Weakest in the UFC by far. At 170 Bj is no threat. Not even a top 5 WW. He would get mauled by any top 5 WW. The WW division is stacked! Huge monsters! Penn would be smart to keep away. Look what happened last time he tried to fight GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueGrit Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 He sure is. He is all talk. He is a great 155' date=' BUT the LW division sucks. Weakest in the UFC by far. At 170 Bj is no threat. Not even a top 5 WW. He would get mauled by any top 5 WW. The WW division is stacked! Huge monsters! Penn would be smart to keep away. Look what happened last time he tried to fight GSP.[/quote'] I dont think its the weakest division..If i was to pick a division that needs more fighters i would say maybe the HW or MW.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I dont think its the weakest division..If i was to pick a division that needs more fighters i would say maybe the HW or MW.. I agree that MW is lacking too. HW has some good talent though. Anyway. Bj is the best 155. That does not mean he can compete in the heavy stacked WW division. I mean its no secret that WW and LHW are the 2 big boys in the UFC. Bj does not have what it takes to win against the monster WW's weighing 210 in the octagon. In GSP's last fight with Thiago Alves, Alves weighed 208! Source Joe Rogan. AJ cut from 220 in his last fight. Its just a huge difference between that and fighting little tiny guys like Kenfo, Diego and Edgar who could really fight at 145. So yes, Bj is the biggest LW. We all know he does not match up with bigger fighters as his frame is very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchorman151406052170 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 How bout Serra vs BJ @ a catchweight of 160..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchorman151406052170 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 He sure is. He is all talk. He is a great 155, BUT the LW division sucks. Weakest in the UFC by far. That's just silly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkReflection Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 He sure is. He is all talk. He is a great 155' date=' BUT the LW division sucks. Weakest in the UFC by far. At 170 Bj is no threat. Not even a top 5 WW. He would get mauled by any top 5 WW. The WW division is stacked! Huge monsters! Penn would be smart to keep away. Look what happened last time he tried to fight GSP.[/quote'] What? Are you TRYING to lose credibility? 155 is the weakest by FAR? By FAR? First off...saying it's the weakest is just blatantly ignorant. And saying it's the weakest by FAR is either ridiculous bias or just plain trolling. 265 is historically the weakest division in the sport. Always has been...it's getting better by leaps and bounds...but still it's the weakest talent wise. 155 however has always been strong. Because at 155 you can't rely on sheer size like you can at 265. It truly comes down to skill. Anyone that says that Penn isn't one of the greatest fighters in the world doesn't know what they are talking about. Skill for skill..Penn may be the BEST fighter in the world. Anderson Silva could beat a larger percentage of the world because he'd be more competitive with the bigger guys...but Penn...is just insanely skilled. At 170 I think Penn is probably easily in the top 10 and possibly top 5. We don't know in this era of the sport because he hasn't competed against the top WW's in this era. Much like Fedor...we don't know how good Fedor is against the top HW's of today. It's possible that both would be highly competitive against the elites, just maybe not the top dog. Cheers -DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Penn is a complete tool, who seems to think because hes started wearing tight shorts he can beat gsp (anybody else notice the sudden change?) but he can fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Pilks Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Who do you think would win. Serra stated it would be to hard to go to 155' date=' and before fighting GSP, BJ needs to beat a welterweight... I will give this to Serra he has the hands and the ground game, it would be close [b']but Serra is my fav [/b]so I would be rooting for him. WoW.. Are you related to Serra because I NEVER thought i'd hear someone say that. And i think BJ would literally pick him apart on the feet and could very well sub him on the ground i think BJ should have to beat a WW wrestler before he gets another crack at GSP... ^^This makes a lot of sense Serra would beat BJ now! BJ has turned into a flat footed striker' date=',,,,very little kicks and for some reason has abondoned most of his ground game.[/quote'] ^^How is having 3 of your last 5 wins via Submission considered abandoning??? His other two wins came via TKO, not a flat footed striker whatsoever What? Are you TRYING to lose credibility? 155 is the weakest by FAR? By FAR? First off...saying it's the weakest is just blatantly ignorant. And saying it's the weakest by FAR is either ridiculous bias or just plain trolling. 265 is historically the weakest division in the sport. Always has been...it's getting better by leaps and bounds...but still it's the weakest talent wise. 155 however has always been strong. Because at 155 you can't rely on sheer size like you can at 265. It truly comes down to skill. Anyone that says that Penn isn't one of the greatest fighters in the world doesn't know what they are talking about. Skill for skill..Penn may be the BEST fighter in the world. Anderson Silva could beat a larger percentage of the world because he'd be more competitive with the bigger guys...but Penn...is just insanely skilled. At 170 I think Penn is probably easily in the top 10 and possibly top 5. We don't know in this era of the sport because he hasn't competed against the top WW's in this era. Much like Fedor...we don't know how good Fedor is against the top HW's of today. It's possible that both would be highly competitive against the elites' date=' just maybe not the top dog. Cheers -DR[/quote'] ^^ This is an accurate assessment. I think only GSP, Silva and Fedor could be ranked ahead of this guy on the P4P list and i don't really like Penn but his skills are undeniable. BJ Submission mid-round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed_rush Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 HW and MW are worst LW is the middle ground WW and LHW are best Penn is a great fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ufcnub Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 WoW.. Are you related to Serra because I NEVER thought i'd hear someone say that. And i think BJ would literally pick him apart on the feet and could very well sub him on the ground ^^This makes a lot of sense ^^How is having 3 of your last 5 wins via Submission considered abandoning??? His other two wins came via TKO' date=' not a flat footed striker whatsoever ^^ This is an accurate assessment. I think only GSP, Silva and Fedor could be ranked ahead of this guy on the P4P list and i don't really like Penn but his skills are undeniable. BJ Submission mid-round 2[/quote'] Okay... It is highly unlikely that BJ would win by submission as Matt's BJJ is superior to Penns. It would be a great fight. First BJ fight that I acutally would be intrested in watching. His fights have been very predictable. It would be nice to watch one where you didn't know the outcome before it started. Why do people feel the need to bring GSP into every BJ thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Anyone that says that Penn isn't one of the greatest fighters in the world doesn't know what they are talking about. Skill for skill..Penn may be the BEST fighter in the world. Cheers -DR Are you trying to lose credibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Pilks Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Okay... It is highly unlikely that BJ would win by submission as Matt's BJJ is superior to Penns. It would be a great fight. First BJ fight that I acutally would be intrested in watching. His fights have been very predictable. It would be nice to watch one where you didn't know the outcome before it started. Why do people feel the need to bring GSP into every BJ thread... I just stated that the only three i could SEE ahead of him P4P could be GSP, Fedor and Anderson and was giving props to BJ for being one of the best of all time P4P. Serra has only submitted one opponent in his career, i know he's a Black Belt but so is BJ who's submitted 3 in his last 6 fights. So i don't see how you can say that Matt's BJJ is better when discussing MMA BJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Amazing Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I just stated that the only three i could SEE ahead of him P4P could be GSP' date=' Fedor and Anderson and was giving props to BJ for being one of the best of all time P4P. Serra has only submitted one opponent in his career, i know he's a Black Belt but so is BJ who's submitted 3 in his last 6 fights. So i don't see how you can say that Matt's BJJ is better when discussing MMA BJJ[/quote'] Well Serra has won several world jiu jitsu tourneys not just one or 2 like BJ. But as i always say, pure jiu jitsu is different then mma jits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Put Bj in against Serra so we can all see Bj get smashed again. Serra will kill Bj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ufcnub Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Seriously this is a badass fight idea. I wish Joe Silva checked the forum. i would probably pay to see this fight live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agamper Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Penn beat Serra the last time they fought. Pretty sure Penn will take him again Serra knocks out Trigg and suddenly he's a way better fighter? Trigg has lost his last four or five fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredshaulage Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Okay... It is highly unlikely that BJ would win by submission as Matt's BJJ is superior to Penns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderProdigy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 wow, some of these things being said make no sence. Hughes BJJ better then Penn, Serra has improved alot since they last fought, Penn would get knocked out, etc. Penn has wayyyyyy better BJJ than Hughes (no offence Hughes is one of my favorites), Serra improved ? maybe so but look at BJ, the guy would rip Serra apart, with the farthest thing being a KO victory for Serra. No disrespect to Serra, i like him a lot. That being said i like him mostly because of his personality and upset over GSP, and not his fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penfold Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I know they fought before! I think Serra and BJ have improved their hands' date=' but I think Serra has the heavier hands, I don't think its a good idea for him to exchange regardless of BJ's great stand up.[/quote'] BJ Penns stand up is far the superior Penn would jab him to death Penn's jab is probably one the best in the UFC his jab would stop Serra's swinging hooks Serra has little else in the stand up department and on the ground if u were to ask BJJ guys (who compete in BJJ tournaments) who they would rather compete against Penn or Serra they would probably say Serra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penfold Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Okay... It is highly unlikely that BJ would win by submission as Matt's BJJ is superior to Penns. It would be a great fight. First BJ fight that I acutally would be intrested in watching. His fights have been very predictable. It would be nice to watch one where you didn't know the outcome before it started. Why do people feel the need to bring GSP into every BJ thread... Serra's BJJ is superior oh please do u know wot ur talking about Penn got his nick name the prodigy b4 he came into MMA when he was competeing in BJJ tournaments Serra is very good BJJ black belt but to say 1 is superior to the other in this is just stupid it would be a brillant ground fight if it happened that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ufcnub Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 wow' date=' some of these things being said make no sence. Hughes BJJ better then Penn, .[/quote'] I was referring to Matt SERRA... and on the ground if u were to ask BJJ guys (who compete in BJJ tournaments) who they would rather compete against Penn or Serra they would probably say Serra That is the biggest load of BS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilvash878 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 serra has good jits, but has lost the dexterity he used to poses, bj on the other hand can flex like my ex. bj has showed sweet jits in most of his fights, doing that to kenny is not an easy task. i havent seen serras since kelly dulante. lo0o0ol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spider_Silva Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 You guys are retards. 2 days ago you would of all said BJ would murder him and laugh at this fight. All of a sudden Serra knocks out washed up old Trigg who doesnt even belong in the octagon/ring anymore and now you want to compare him to Penn. BJ would win this fight easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristufa Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Serra beat GSP, and GSP beat BJ Penn, THUS Serra beats BJ Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0verrated Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 BJ Penns stand up is far the superior Penn would jab him to death Penn's jab is probably one the best in the UFC his jab would stop Serra's swinging hooks Serra has little else in the stand up department and on the ground if u were to ask BJJ guys (who compete in BJJ tournaments) who they would rather compete against Penn or Serra they would probably say Serra No way. You guys overrate Bj so much. He will get smashed at 170 by any top 5. Serra would stop Bj fast and might have better BJJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsy1406052431 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I like both Serra and BJ, but i think Serra would win...BJ would give him a run for his money though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristufa Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 No way. You guys overrate Bj so much. He will get smashed at 170 by any top 5. Serra would stop Bj fast and might have better BJJ. You're saying Serra is top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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