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alliedwarior

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People are always talking about how since champions are crushing there weight classes they should move up and I thought I'd give my thoughts.

 

First off BJ Pen, he has beat alot of lightweights and some are saying no lightweight can beat him. Now I think this might be true but I think the UFC should give him a different kind of challenger. I'm not overly impressed with Pen and his striking, I have heard people talking about how good of a striker BJ is so I think this should be tested. The UFC should get the best strikers they have to face off (no ground guys) and find who is the best lightweight striker they have and thats who BJ should fight next.

As for BJ moving up I dont think he would do so well GSP showed he can be put on the ground and beat up so I dont see Pen beating Fitch or Ko's espically since I think Fitch is to big and Kos has more power then BJ. Also I still doubt BJ could strike with alot of welterweights and he might not be able to take them down, this being said I dont think he could beat Paul Daley or Thigao Alves or even Paulo Thiago. So BJ chances against the top guys in Welterweight look bad to me and I think he should just keep it at lighweight.

 

Now GSP, theres no denieing it if he beats Hardy he has cleared out Welterweight beating the top grapplers and strikers. I think giving GSP Alves and him beating him was proff GSP needs to move up and if he beat Hardy its just an excamation point. The only other fighters I would like to see him try is Daley and Anthony Johnson because they could test his chin.

The way I feel for GSP going to Middleweight is that he could be in the top but I just don't know if he could be a champ. GSP has said he wouldn't fight Marquart so I would say the next top challenges at this weight are Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Chael Sonnen, Mia, Yushin Okami, and Im going to say Wanderli because I think he is going to be a force soon.

I think his chances look okay against fights like Chael Sonnen and Mia because he can use his wrestling to stay away from the ground with this guys and out strike them. But I think both Anderson Wanderli and Vitor would be bad match ups for him because they would all out strike him and if he could get them to the ground and he probally could I think there BJJ would help them servive and get back up or maybe even sub him but the time spent on the feet could be bad for him. I think he should start fighting Yushin because he is strong and would really show how GSP wrestling would do against these bigger stronger middleweights. So GSP could be a contender at middleweight but I dont know about a champion.

 

Finally Anderson, all Im going to say is that I dont see anyone except for maybe Vitor outstriking Anderson. And if he gets past Vitor I say Chael has the best chance of beating him because he showed good wrestling against Nate and I think thats the key to beat Silva (as Hendo showed).

 

At 205 Rampage could land a lucky punch but I think it would be like Shogun or Wandy 1&2 for Rampage unless he took Silva down. I think he should face a wrestler at 205 like Randy or Rashad and if he beats him he can be a champ at 205, I mean he has shown to be the best striker MMA has seen in a while and he doesnt look to bad off his back. The problem is he wouldnt face Shogun or Machida so unless one of them lose the belt he wont be fighting for it. But of the other top guys I would say he would beat the top strikers and his real tests would be wrestlers like Rashad and Randy who I think he would KO both. I think the guy that could beat Silva at 205 is Rampage because Rampage has good wrestling and power that he could use to either take Silva down or get a lucky KO. I think Silva has the best chance of any champ to move up in weight and would love to see him fight Rampage because that would a fight I really dont know who would win.

 

I think Silva should leave middleweight and fight LHW for good and the UFC should give him Rashad or Randy and if he wins and Machida is champ and he doenst want to fight them let Rampage take them out and give Silva Vera or Jones (winner) in the mean time just for a good fight to watch.

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Rampage is not technical enough to strike with Anderson Silva. look at Forrest vs Rampage .... I dont see The Spider moving up to fight one of his "freinds" or wahtever

 

yeah just look at the first 2 Wanderli fights or Shogun, Rampage doesnt do well against Knees.

 

But he has a good chin and good wrestling, plus the power to KO Silva which would keep Silva guess if a take down or a punch was coming.

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gsp out wrestles lhws and is good at bjj and striking ,, the only person who cod beat him is silva at 185 ,, silva is just a machine and will not lose for a couple more years in any weight class ,, he made forrest the former champ look like a chump ,, vitor has no shot silva will toy wit him cat and mouse style ,, bj shod stay right where he is ,, i dont think gsp shod move up yet until silva vacates belt cause i dont wanna see me fav fighter lose again lol

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I'm sorry all i read was "I'm not overly impressed with Penn and his striking".

 

after that i quit reading.

 

EDIT: Oh' date=' and BJ could easily hang with the top guys at WW.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.[/quote']

 

you should have read on, and Im not I think BJ is good but really over hyped, he isnt built for 170.

 

and he never fights strikers.

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I prefer the competition @ lhw for anderson silva ..

 

spider vs shogun

spider vs rogerio

spider vs jackson

spider vs thiago

spider vs cane

spider vs evans

spider vs darth

spider vs dragon (I know :rolleyes:)

spider vs gump

 

If he won't fight Machida, I dont think he'd fight Rogerio.

 

Spider vs Shogun? I would LOVE to see this.

 

GP

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i think they all COULD move up and be pretty successful but i do agree that i think the only one who could really have a shot at holding 2 belts is anderson

 

-1 Forrestfan, just because he beat forrest doesn't mean he can have the LHW belt. LHW is the toughest division in the entire UFC and there are a lot better fighters then Forrest

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I'm sorry all i read was "I'm not overly impressed with Penn and his striking".

 

after that i quit reading.

 

EDIT: Oh' date=' and BJ could easily hang with the top guys at WW.

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.[/quote']

 

+1 BJ has the best boxing in MMA in my opinion. BJ could also hang with top WW and think pretty much take out anyone except GSP.

 

Now as far as GSP i wouldn't want to see him move up. He's good at WW and not fighting Marquardt, whats the point ? He should only move up in the case that Anderson will fight him.

 

Now A.Silva this guy could excell at MW and LHW, definitly pretty much cleaned out the division and now that Marquardt is out of the title picture for a while, i don't think anyone stands a chance. Vitor has heavy quick hands though so maybe, but Sonnen please. Silva at LHW i don't know man, a mega fight would be him and Machida but not gunna happen. There are lots of other choices but i think he should stay at MW and move up every once and a while.

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forrest griffin? the guy who went 5 rounds with RAMPAGE and stole the belt from him? thats a pretty good ****en test to see if he has a shot

anderson is still mad big for 205 and his skills from MW basically just carry over

he has the best chance out of the current champs to hold 2 belts

 

Maybe he's the only Middleweight with a chance.... but right now no other middleweight can beat him. He would do good but he wouldn't get the belt, there's just too many great contenders

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Maybe he's the only Middleweight with a chance.... but right now no other middleweight can beat him. He would do good but he wouldn't get the belt' date=' there's just too many great contenders[/quote']

Anderson vs. top LHW contenders

 

ANDERSON VS. FORREST

ANDERSON VS. LIL NOG

ANDERSON VS. SHOGUN

ANDERSON VS. JON JONES (give him a couple more tough fights and he takes this)

ANDERSON VS. RANDY

ANDERSON VS. MACHIDA

ANDERSON VS. T.SILVA

ANDERSON VS. RASHAD

ANDERSON VS. RAMPAGE

 

the randy fight i think could go the other way...but so could evry other one

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Anderson vs. top LHW contenders

 

ANDERSON VS. FORREST

ANDERSON VS. LIL NOG

ANDERSON VS. SHOGUN

ANDERSON VS. JON JONES (give him a couple more tough fights and he takes this)

ANDERSON VS. RANDY

ANDERSON VS. MACHIDA

ANDERSON VS. T.SILVA

ANDERSON VS. RASHAD

ANDERSON VS. RAMPAGE

 

the randy fight i think could go the other way...but so could evry other one

 

Rashad would kill Silva, he will never fight machida, a lot of the fights could go either way, I don't think he's good enough for the belt and I think some other LHW could beat him.

Ex. Wandy

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+1 BJ has the best boxing in MMA in my opinion. BJ could also hang with top WW and think pretty much take out anyone except GSP.

 

Now as far as GSP i wouldn't want to see him move up. He's good at WW and not fighting Marquardt' date=' whats the point ? He should only move up in the case that Anderson will fight him.

 

Now A.Silva this guy could excell at MW and LHW, definitly pretty much cleaned out the division and now that Marquardt is out of the title picture for a while, i don't think anyone stands a chance. Vitor has heavy quick hands though so maybe, but Sonnen please. Silva at LHW i don't know man, a mega fight would be him and Machida but not gunna happen. There are lots of other choices but i think he should stay at MW and move up every once and a while.[/quote']

 

what strikers has BJ beat at striking ?

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When your BJJ is way better than your opponent's ground game, then even if you think you COULD hang with him on your feet... why would you bother? This isn't K-1, you do what you are POSITIVE will get you the win. So no matter how bad you want to test B.J.'s stand up with a great striker, if he thinks he can beat him on the ground, guess what... he will.

 

The question is... how many of the guys in the LW division that you might be able to say are "better strikers" can avoid ending up inside a RNC against B.J.?

 

I'm not saying he has amazing takedowns or anything, but the past seems to prove that he somehow gets his fights to the ground and subs his way to victory.

 

On another note, if B.J. keeps it up with his new conditioning program he might be able to just avoid damage until the "better striker" is winded, and then punch him out or get a takedown. His new gas tank seems to be working REALLY well for him.

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When your BJJ is way better than your opponent's ground game' date=' then even if you think you COULD hang with him on your feet... why would you bother? This isn't K-1, you do what you are POSITIVE will get you the win. So no matter how bad you want to test B.J.'s stand up with a great striker, if he thinks he can beat him on the ground, guess what... he will.

 

The question is... how many of the guys in the LW division that you might be able to say are "better strikers" can avoid ending up inside a RNC against B.J.?

 

I'm not saying he has amazing takedowns or anything, but the past seems to prove that he somehow gets his fights to the ground and subs his way to victory.

 

On another note, if B.J. keeps it up with his new conditioning program he might be able to just avoid damage until the "better striker" is winded, and then punch him out or get a takedown. His new gas tank seems to be working REALLY well for him.[/quote']

 

I hate how MMA is becoming all about the win, I would rather watch a Wanderli fight then some boring wrestler who takes the safe (and in my eyes ***** way out) fighters should go to put on a show not to win.

 

Thats why boxing is starting to fall because the fighters are dancing around going to win not to put on a show.

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please if BJ did fight top notch strikers he would just take them down and do what he does best there!!!!

 

First off BJ doesnt have amazing takedowns so maybe maybe not and second that just proves my point?

 

He out boxes people who cant stand up and fight because he isnt a great striker he is just ok. He has some power but he really doesnt have a KO punchers power.

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i hate bj ,,,but KO power he has ,,, good striking he has ,,, he has out struck everyone he fought even gsp in the first fight in the first round but then he gassed out ,,, nobody in lw will out strike him ,,, just a few guys at ww,,, bjs hands are great ,,,, and i don't like him but its the truth

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i hate bj ' date=',,but KO power he has ,,, good striking he has ,,, he has out struck everyone he fought even gsp in the first fight in the first round but then he gassed out ,,, nobody in lw will out strike him ,,, just a few guys at ww,,, bjs hands are great ,,,, and i don't like him but its the truth[/quote']

 

I will say it again, BJ hasnt faught real strikers if BJ faught Sam Stout in a striking match he would lose. And who has he KO'd with a punch.

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