Not Impressed with Chael Sonnen

[Indiglow]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions, his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.

 

EDIT: Since so many of you are getting mad at my comment because you think I'm a Nate fan, think again. I'm not a Nate fan. Chael's fights are full of decisions. He's vulnerable to submissions (look how fast Maia put him away and look at his history)

 

He's not anywhere near top competition. If he thinks he even has a snow ball's chance in hell in beating Silva, he's dreaming.

[Kable]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

[b']He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.[/b]

 

Nate overlooked him. I reckon if they fought again a week later Nate would win.

[gevolution]

What are you on about gonk boy, its clear that Sonnen was all over Nate, as great as you think he might be - he got it handed to him !

[Jonnydingo]

In any other aspect other than wrestling Nate would kill Sonnen. But honestly if they fought again in a month, I think Chael would still beat him, because Nate would still have no answer for Sonnens takedowns. Wrestling is a very dangerous weapon when used the way Sonnen uses it.

[towhatend]

Nate couldn't do a thing to Sonnen. Sonnen closed the distance way too fast on the feet and fought at a frantic pace. Marquardt couldn't do a thing off of his back either though and that was the real story of the fight. I wish that guillotine would have finished Sonnen in the third.

 

Shame, oh well. Now Silva is literally two fights from cleaning out the division.

[deatz]

Chael is a joke.

He will never get a tittle shot.

Imagine a tittle shot like this:

Sonen vs Maia. Would pay to watch this fight? Maybe just to see Maia submit Chael " The Joke" Sonen again.

[gevolution]

I also think that Joe Rogan spoke absolute trash when he thought nate had won the final round just because he got sonnen on his back and punched him twice, err what about the other 4 mins where sonnen was on top punching him??!?!

[cjsinger]

Yeah, there's no way this guy is a champion. Nate certainly looked past this guy.

[1roycegracie]

I agree with the OP. He did pull off the upset but it wasn't in spectacular fasion.

[punisher101]

It's impossible not to be impressed by his performance against Nate.

 

Everyone writes him off, he kicks Nate's ****, but he still doesn't get any credit. I'm not the biggest Sonnen fan out there but I'm not gonna take anything away from him. He beat the top contendor fair and square, and looked pretty damn good doing it too.

[I_MC]

Chael is way overrated at this point. Cant wait to see Silva smash his ****y republican ****!!!!!!!!

[UCFMRE]

I'm not going to sit here and say that Sonnen will beat Anderson Silva but he has earned a title fight by solidly knocking off the top contender. If anyone is going to beat Silva it is going to be a good wrestler with solid submission defense, so I say give him a shot. No one thought he was going to beat Nate but he took it to him. Props to Sonnen.

[fitali]

Impressed the heck out of me, Nate couldnt do a darn thing. I don't know if he'll ever win a belt. But, he is a strong competitor.

[Martino231]

Nate overlooked him. I reckon if they fought again a week later Nate would win.

 

I'm not sure. Nate couldn't defend the takedowns, and he can't pull off submissions off his back like some fighters can. That would take years of work, not a week of training. While I do think that Nate is the better fighter, Sonnen was just a bad match-up for him.

[UFCCagerattler]

He just has Nate's number. That's MMA. Everybody is beatable.

[Technique]

It's impossible not to be impressed by his performance against Nate.

 

Everyone writes him off' date=' he kicks Nate's ****, but he still doesn't get any credit. I'm not the biggest Sonnen fan out there but I'm not gonna take anything away from him. He beat the top contendor fair and square, and looked pretty damn good doing it too.[/quote']

 

Agreed. You may not like his personality but the guy can fight. May not be the the most exciting but he knows how to win. And I don't think that Nate looked past him. He talked about it over and over again. How Chael was rated #6 in the world and couldn't look past a guy like that. I actually thought hte fight was exciting.

[bdog623602]

Nate couldn't do a thing to Sonnen. Sonnen closed the distance way too fast on the feet and fought at a frantic pace. Marquardt couldn't do a thing off of his back either though and that was the real story of the fight. I wish that guillotine would have finished Sonnen in the third.

 

Shame' date=' oh well. Now Silva is literally two fights from cleaning out the division.[/quote']

 

you have gotta be the stupidest person to ever post. Shogun didnt beat lyoto? what fight were you watching. that was the biggest robbery in mma history. even lyoto thought he lost. you could see it in his face before the decision was rendered. Also silva isnt close to cleaning out ****. there is still wanderlei silva, bisping, sonnen, marqaurdt will bounce back, even if belfort loses he will be right back. also, What about jake Shields. he hasnt lost in five years. silva hasnt even cleared out the ufc, much less the mma mw division. You sir are a moron.

[Lord_Bashere]

you have gotta be the stupidest person to ever post. Shogun didnt beat lyoto? what fight were you watching. that was the biggest robbery in mma history. even lyoto thought he lost. you could see it in his face before the decision was rendered. Also silva isnt close to cleaning out ****. there is still wanderlei silva' date=' bisping, sonnen, marqaurdt will bounce back, even if belfort loses he will be right back. also, What about jake Shields. he hasnt lost in five years. silva hasnt even cleared out the ufc, much less the mma mw division. You sir are a moron.[/quote']

 

Where did anybody bring up the Shogun/Machida fight? And you called others stupid?

 

Silva has effectively cleaned out the division AFTER a couple more fights, which is what the poster that you replied to said. After Belfort, Silva's only real competition (and that deserves a big ?) is Wanderlei. Bisping? He wouldn't last as long as Forrest. Marquardt pretty much proved that he wasn't ready for a title shot.

 

Jake Shields is a joke who fights other jokes. Look for Henderson to destroy him.

[JMan420]

cool, another thread from someone *****ing that Nate lost. Great, theres only about 1000 more of these. DEAL WITH IT. Sonnen beat Nate fair and square. He put on a clinic against one of the better fighters in the world..so yeah, i would say he is absolutely deserving of a title shot, and obviously Dana White agrees, otherwise they would not have put him in that position in the first place.

 

I'm not neccesarily a sonnen fan, but the guy beat...no sorry, dominated one of the better fighters in the division. Thats MMA, if you want fixed fights go watch that WWE bullshyt and leave this forum.

 

I personally am excited to see what sonnen would bring against Silva. I think his skillset could offer some interesting problems for anderson, thats assuming he wins against Belfort, which is NOT gonna be an easy task.

 

SO again, Nate fanboys, get over it, he lost. He got completely dominated, sonnen had his number and we will see what the future holds for Chael.

[chosen_st]

Pretty comical that Dana White thought he had enough depth in his division to let Dan Henderson go so people could watch 'top contenders' like Marquardt and Sonnen. So stupid.

[sonson86]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.[/quote']

 

yeah it was not that entertaining of a fight but i thought sonnen looked good in that he was able to get the win. He just wrestled nate the whole fight and beat him but he was at least trying to stay busy when he was on top of nate but i would have to agree with you when you say he will never be champ. He did do what he said he was going to and found a way to win.

[SOTON_MMA]

you have gotta be the stupidest person to ever post. Shogun didnt beat lyoto? what fight were you watching. that was the biggest robbery in mma history. even lyoto thought he lost. you could see it in his face before the decision was rendered. Also silva isnt close to cleaning out ****. there is still wanderlei silva' date=' bisping, sonnen, marqaurdt will bounce back, even if belfort loses he will be right back. also, What about jake Shields. he hasnt lost in five years. silva hasnt even cleared out the ufc, much less the mma mw division. You sir are a moron.[/quote']

 

lmfao at this!! jake sheilds hahaha !!! silva would beat him down easily!! as for sonnen he makes me laugh he had a gd fight but he will never beat silva !!

[number1kyster]

This fight just goes to show you what would have happen to Marquardt if Henderson and Marquardt ended up fighting.

[Hendoforpresident]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.[/quote']

 

well...well....well....

if his sub defense is soo bad then why wouldnt Marquart put him away or even come close? they were on the ground the whole time. and if his stand up isnt great, who cares? thats why he went to the ground.

remember when lesnar tried to stand with couture? or how bout those 30 seconds with Mir? kinda got his **** tossed so he had to take it to the mat too. called strategy bub

[Hendoforpresident]

He just has Nate's number. That's MMA. Everybody is beatable.

 

unless your name starts with an "F" and ends with "edor"

[DarkReflection]

unless your name starts with an "F" and ends with "edor"

 

Nope everyone can be beaten. Fedor is just lucky enough to not be fighting the best at the moment.

 

It's easier to maintain a win streak if you don't consistently fight the best...

 

Travis Fulton went 50-3 I believe in the last couple years. And people who are more casual fans put alot more stock in pretty numbers than they should. A Record isn't just about win/loss. It's about your win/loss PLUS WHO you fought...AND how you FINISHED them.

 

Those all have to be taken into consideration in order to accurately judge how good someone potentially is if you are going by their record.

 

Fedor can be beaten...and there are a couple guys at HW and a couple guys at LHW and at least 1 guy at MW who I would FAVOR to beat Fedor.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

[Crashin120]

In any other aspect other than wrestling Nate would kill Sonnen. But honestly if they fought again in a month' date=' I think Chael would still beat him, because Nate would still have no answer for Sonnens takedowns. Wrestling is a very dangerous weapon when used the way Sonnen uses it.[/quote']

 

Its funny how what sonnen did was almost like what GSP does YET, not ONE post saying omg what a boring fight lmao the LAY AND PRAY lol but yet its " amazing wrestling" lol .. too funny , sonnen isnt some amazing fighter, he had a good takedown lol , and if he goes against the spider , he'll get CHEWED up and spit out.

[Robert2]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.[/quote']

 

stop hatin. i knew chael was going to win too. cheal has the ability to control the fight and get you into the position where you cant do much. he'll probably do the same thing with his title fight.

[DarkReflection]

I gotta say..I'm highly suspicious of ANYONE who says "they KNEW Chael would win"

 

Prior to that fight...if you really believed that you didn't have much to go on to make that conclusion. I think people are just trying to capitalize on an upset to try to raise their own stock in the mma forums community.

 

For my part. I thought Nate would destroy Sonnen. I just didn't anticipate that Nate would not have an answer off his back. THAT to me was the biggest surprise of the night. Nate is a very solid guy and I had thought he would have had better game from his back, but he didn't.

 

But as someone said earlier...Silva is a different beast altogether. I see him winning in devastating fashion.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

[Spidey4110]

I gotta say..I'm highly suspicious of ANYONE who says "they KNEW Chael would win"

 

Prior to that fight...if you really believed that you didn't have much to go on to make that conclusion. I think people are just trying to capitalize on an upset to try to raise their own stock in the mma forums community.

 

For my part. I thought Nate would destroy Sonnen. I just didn't anticipate that Nate would not have an answer off his back. THAT to me was the biggest surprise of the night. Nate is a very solid guy and I had thought he would have had better game from his back' date=' but he didn't.

 

But as someone said earlier...Silva is a different beast altogether. I see him winning in devastating fashion.

 

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

I thought Sonnen had a chance because he does control fights pretty well but I agree with you that I thought Nate would win or at least find a way to win and if I had to bet it would have been on Nate. I like Nate but WOW he had no answer for the wrestling of Sonnen and everyone needs to give Sonnen credit because he executed his game plan and as hard as it is to say Nate didn't and recognized that fact in his statements after the fight.

 

I hope Nate bounces back and gets a shot. I think he was very classy at the end even though his ego was hurting.

 

Great post by you thanks.

[joshdfs]

I knew Sonnen was a decent enough fighter to win consistantly but thought Nate would win. I didn't know Chael's TD and control game would be so strong. I can totally admit when I was wrong. If he stays at this level he will be tough for anyone to beat, except for Silva.

 

And I find it a little ironic that some of the very same people saying Chael was unimpressive, boring, la la la, are the very same who praise Rashad or GSP for employing the very same strategy (and Rashad wasn't even as effective as Chael) as having a great gameplan.

 

I appreciate strategy and gameplanning to win as much as anyone. But any way you slice it, a grind it out points victory, with no intention of finishing, is a bore.

 

Thanks GSP!!!

[K22UFC]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.

 

EDIT: Since so many of you are getting mad at my comment because you think I'm a Nate fan, think again. I'm not a Nate fan. Chael's fights are full of decisions. He's vulnerable to submissions (look how fast Maia put him away and look at his history)

 

[b']He's not anywhere near top competition.[/b] If he thinks he even has a snow ball's chance in hell in beating Silva, he's dreaming.

 

Hes not anywhere near top competition even though he just beat the number two ranked (before the Sonnen fight) Nate Marquardt. That is stupid.

[Yerbo]

Nate overlooked him. I reckon if they fought again a week later Nate would win.

 

If this was the case Nate would just have adjusted in rounds 2 and 3 after seeing what happened in round one and won. He didn't. Why? He was incapable of stopping the takedowns. I really doubt that another week of take down defense training would help. Especially considering that he knew what Sonnen's fight plan would be all along so must have been training his TDD a lot, and with some pretty elite wrestlers to boot.

[Kable]

If this was the case Nate would just have adjusted in rounds 2 and 3 after seeing what happened in round one and won. He didn't. Why? He was incapable of stopping the takedowns. I really doubt that another week of take down defense training would help. Especially considering that he knew what Sonnen's fight plan would be all along so must have been training his TDD a lot' date=' and with some pretty elite wrestlers to boot.[/quote']

 

Still he went in vs Sonnen like Swick went in to vs Hardy.

[uaquin]

 

For my part. I thought Nate would destroy Sonnen. I just didn't anticipate that Nate would not have an answer off his back. THAT to me was the biggest surprise of the night. Nate is a very solid guy and I had thought he would have had better game from his back' date=' but he didn't.

 

But as someone said earlier...Silva is a different beast altogether. I see him winning in devastating fashion.

 

Cheers

 

-DR[/quote']

 

Agreed. Nate's lack of anything from his back but a couple guillotines was a huge surprise for me. I know some BJJ BB are better off their backs than others but wow. The whole time I was watching Sonnen control him I was shocked that a guy that can and does roll with GSP and Rashad in practice didn't have better TD defense and a better game off his back.

[slack_415]

im very impressed with chael

[bdog623602]

Where did anybody bring up the Shogun/Machida fight? And you called others stupid?

 

Silva has effectively cleaned out the division AFTER a couple more fights' date=' which is what the poster that you replied to said. After Belfort, Silva's only real competition (and that deserves a big ?) is Wanderlei. Bisping? He wouldn't last as long as Forrest. Marquardt pretty much proved that he wasn't ready for a title shot.

 

Jake Shields is a joke who fights other jokes. Look for Henderson to destroy him.[/quote']

 

he put it at the bottom of his post. so hes stupid and you cant F#$%^% read.

[Chuteboxcamp25]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.

 

EDIT: Since so many of you are getting mad at my comment because you think I'm a Nate fan, think again. I'm not a Nate fan. Chael's fights are full of decisions. He's vulnerable to submissions (look how fast Maia put him away and look at his history)

 

He's not anywhere near top competition. If he thinks he even has a snow ball's chance in hell in beating Silva, he's dreaming.[/quote']

the way you decribed him i thought you where talking about lesner.

[VintageGt]

Chael is a joke.

He will never get a tittle shot.

Imagine a tittle shot like this:

Sonen vs Maia. Would pay to watch this fight? Maybe just to see Maia submit Chael " The Joke" Sonen again.

Idiots like you make me sick, you sit in your bedroom in your mommas house safe behind your computer and label a UFC fighter who just handed the No 1 contender his **** on a silver platter 'a joke'?

 

Jesus Christ, I thought the influx of fking braindead idiots was starting to wane but obviously not. You catch a plane to Chael Sonnens hometown, face him toe to toe and call him a joke, now that I would pay to see.

 

What a D Bag, I give up on this forum.

[KRYME]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.

 

EDIT: Since so many of you are getting mad at my comment because you think I'm a Nate fan, think again. I'm not a Nate fan. Chael's fights are full of decisions. He's vulnerable to submissions (look how fast Maia put him away and look at his history)

 

He's not anywhere near top competition. If he thinks he even has a snow ball's chance in hell in beating Silva, he's dreaming.[/quote']

+1 well said

Nate overlooked him. I reckon if they fought again a week later Nate would win.

My money would be on Nate if they fought tomorrow. Nate is the all around better fighter. There really wasn't anything spectacular about Sonnen other than he executed his game plan. He's not anything special.

I agree with the OP. He did pull off the upset but it wasn't in spectacular fasion.

+1

 

-buy the ticket. take the ride.

[Indiglow]

Hes not anywhere near top competition even though he just beat the number two ranked (before the Sonnen fight) Nate Marquardt. That is stupid.

 

Ryo Chonan isn't anywhere near top competition and yet he beat Anderson Silva.

 

Some people are just direct counters to other people. Chael's horrible style is Nate's downfall.

 

And people comparing Chael's style to Rashad's or GSP's....

 

please! Rashad knocks people out' date=' and GSP submits people. Chael hasn't won via anything other than decision since 2007.

 

SINCE 2007!

Fun Fact: Every single UFC fight Chael has been in, he's ONLY WON VIA DECISION and ALWAYS LOST VIA SUBMISSION.

[MyTH_MMA]

While I was highly impressed/shocked by the performance Chael put on, I think he was worse for the wear than Nate was afterward. They showed Chael in his locker room lying on the mats staring at the ceiling with a giant bruise/cut on his forehead and blood still in his nose. I bet Nate left with little more than a couple bumps. I was hoping for that guillotine to finish him but no such luck for me.

[Lord_Bashere]

he put it at the bottom of his post. so hes stupid and you cant F#$%^% read.

 

That's his SIGNATURE! That is part of everything he posts, but not part of the post itself. When people see your stupid post, all they see is you ranting about nothing.

 

You're pretty much wrong about everything in your first post... including the Machida bit. Its over; GET OVER IT!

[Lord_Bashere]

I was pretty impressed with Sonnen. Not the way that he won, but that he won at all.

 

I do, however, look to see him get destroyed by Silva. That will be delicious...

[Moony]

Is it perhaps possible that Sonnen has now gotten to a point where he can reasonably well defend against submissions during GnP?? Consider Miller & Marquardt.

[Xhojin]

He does nothing spectacular. All his wins are pretty much decisions' date=' his sub offense is horrible, he doesn't finish people on the ground, and his sub defense is pretty bad, not to mention his stand up is nothing to write home about either.

 

He'll never be champ, he's not the next big thing, he's not impressive in the least.

 

EDIT: Since so many of you are getting mad at my comment because you think I'm a Nate fan, think again. I'm not a Nate fan. Chael's fights are full of decisions. He's vulnerable to submissions (look how fast Maia put him away and look at his history)

 

He's not anywhere near top competition. If he thinks he even has a snow ball's chance in hell in beating Silva, he's dreaming.[/quote']

 

Agreed.

 

Have any of these peopel hyping ot Sonnen seen his record? 58.33% of his wins are decisions. and 60% of his losses are to subs.

 

He has no offense tools over then wrestling (thus the decisions) and he has terrible sub defense (thus the 60% losses to them).

 

He's a one trick pony and not even close to a top level fighter. Top level wrestler? sure yes.. he's very good at that. But over all fighter? not a chance.

[Xhojin]

I knew Sonnen was a decent enough fighter to win consistantly but thought Nate would win. I didn't know Chael's TD and control game would be so strong. I can totally admit when I was wrong. If he stays at this level he will be tough for anyone to beat' date=' except for Silva.

 

And I find it a little ironic that some of the very same people saying Chael was unimpressive, boring, la la la, are the very same who praise Rashad or GSP for employing the very same strategy (and Rashad wasn't even as effective as Chael) as having a great gameplan.

 

I appreciate strategy and gameplanning to win as much as anyone. But any way you slice it, a grind it out points victory, with no intention of finishing, is a bore.

 

Thanks GSP!!![/quote']

 

I find it a little ironic that people try to compare Sonnen's fighting style to GPS's when Gps finishes 68.42% of his fights and Sonnen only finishes 41.77% of his fights.

 

 

GPS has 42% of his wins from KO/TKO and Sonnen a measly 29%

 

The two fighters are not even comparable. Their strategies are not even comparable.

[Spidey4110]

A win is a win regardless of whether he finishes fights or not he is executing "his" game plan...sticking with it til the end and it is winning him fights. I was pulling for Nate as I like him but he got beat fair and square no questions about it. I do agree that if you just saw the fighters after you would have thought Nate won but give Sonnen credit for the job that he has done even if he is not our favorites or if we do not think he can beat Silva the fact is he did beat Nate and that is all that really matters right now.

 

Its like hitting a homerun in baseball or hitting a single...they both go down as 1 for 1 on your stats. You just get bonus points (RBI) for a homerun but your batting average does not change. A WIN IS A WIN and I do wish he did not win.

[BESERKER]

A win is a win regardless of whether he finishes fights or not he is executing "his" game plan...sticking with it til the end and it is winning him fights. I was pulling for Nate as I like him but he got beat fair and square no questions about it. I do agree that if you just saw the fighters after you would have thought Nate won but give Sonnen credit for the job that he has done even if he is not our favorites or if we do not think he can beat Silva the fact is he did beat Nate and that is all that really matters right now.

 

Its like hitting a homerun in baseball or hitting a single...they both go down as 1 for 1 on your stats. You just get bonus points (RBI) for a homerun but your batting average does not change. A WIN IS A WIN and I do wish he did not win.

 

+1 agreed, ... a win is a win, especially if you wager (although I often wonder what it feels like to cash a winning-ticket )

[PeaceBro]

+1 agreed' date=' ... a win is a win, especially if you wager (although I often wonder what it feels like to cash a winning-ticket )[/quote']

 

+1 more, agreed on both win is a win and i remember back in the day cashing a winning ticket or i may have been dreaming!!