Vaseline Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 "Styles make fights" The more well knowledgeable MMA fans are aware of this fact, but the new fans do not understand this concept. In fact, this can be related to almost all sports. No doubt we saw an a great fighter get dismantled and dominated by a less rounded, but dangerous wrestler. I still do do believe Marquardt is the better martial artist and the better fighter, despite his devastating loss to Sonnen, even though I would just as happily accept that 7/10 times that Sonnen would win the fight (assuming their skill sets have not changed). Marquardt's BJJ is obviously not as good as he made it out to be, and I would say that that was his only weakness which Sonnen could expose. I wouldnt say his TD defense was bad, its just that Sonnens TD's were very good. When we saw Maia against Sonnen, Sonnen got submitted quickly and very easily, despite Maia having practically no stand up and no wrestling. Then we see Maia against Marquardt and the destruction of Maia even quicker. From this I hope we can conclude to never use the pathetic argument "A beat B and C beat B, so C will beat A". That is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieMGS Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Your little equation at the end is wrong. It should be "A beat B, and C beat A, so C should beat B". But I agree with your whole statement anyway. I didnt think Marquart would get taken down like that, because the jackson camp has great wrestlers he trains with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascerendant Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I wouldnt say his TD defense was bad' date=' its just that Sonnens TD's were very good. [/quote'] Sure, but Marquards TD defense was really bad near the end of the fight. He'd been taken down and dominated time and time again and still he threw that stupid sidekick at Sonnen that got him off balance just long enough for Chael to set up the next TD. Nate also seemed unable to keep up cardio-wise. No wonder considering how Sonnen was wearing him out but we've seen other fighters able to stand up against such a pace and if Marquard wants to be the best, I guess he'll have to work on more than just his BJJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 the correct saying is: A beat B and B beat C, therefore A will beat C.... e.g. Nate beat Maia and Maia beat Sonnen, therefore Nate will beat Sonnen... obviously MMA math does not always workout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn_Is_God Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 This is the reason so many champions are as dominant as they are, anderson silva's striking is obviously his biggest strength and nobody can take that from him just like lesnars speed and wrestling combo he has (size) lyoto machida is evasive beyond reason GSP has freakishly good wrestling technique and bj has the best boxing of almost anyone in the ufc and is more flexible than a stretch armstrong, these guys all have that natural talent mixed with one dominant fighting style and that's why its hard for guys like diego sanchez, matt serra, frank mir, dan henderson, nate marquardt, and as much as i hate to say it shogun, to beat these guys who have very dominant styles living proof that styles make fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonzero1 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 "Styles make fights" The more well knowledgeable MMA fans are aware of this fact' date=' but the new fans do not understand this concept. In fact, this can be related to almost all sports. No doubt we saw an a great fighter get dismantled and dominated by a less rounded, but dangerous wrestler. I still do do believe Marquardt is the better martial artist and the better fighter, despite his devastating loss to Sonnen, even though I would just as happily accept that 7/10 times that Sonnen would win the fight (assuming their skill sets have not changed). Marquardt's BJJ is obviously not as good as he made it out to be, and I would say that that was his only weakness which Sonnen could expose. I wouldnt say his TD defense was bad, its just that Sonnens TD's were very good. When we saw Maia against Sonnen, Sonnen got submitted quickly and very easily, despite Maia having practically no stand up and no wrestling. Then we see Maia against Marquardt and the destruction of Maia even quicker. From this I hope we can conclude to never use the pathetic argument "A beat B and C beat B, so C will beat A". That is not the case.[/quote'] I was gonna post something similar about the whole styles make fights thing, using this prime example. The circle has completed itself in a bizarre way, with all 3 being either completely dominant or dominated: Maia vs Sonnen - Maia subbed him with ease Sonnen vs Marquart - Sonnen ruled the fight start to finish (except last minute) Marquart vs Maia - OK a lucky punch but intended and I don't think Maia would've wrestled Nate to the ground. The most shocking thing to me was that none of the fights were even close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Good thread. I was thinking about this earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 the correct saying is: A beat B and B beat C' date=' therefore A will beat C.... e.g. Nate beat Maia and [b']Maia beat Sonnen[/b], therefore Nate will beat Sonnen... obviously MMA math does not always workout... but really who saw that triangle coming??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleisterfiend Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 the correct saying is: A beat B and B beat C' date=' therefore A will beat C.... e.g. Nate beat Maia and Maia beat Sonnen, therefore Nate will beat Sonnen... obviously MMA math does not always workout...[/quote'] You guys kill me with correcting everyone. "A beat B and B beat C and I want a girl with DD's" Is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack_415 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 makes sence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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