Mariusz Pudzianowski a real prospect

[aethlefirth]

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I have just watched the finals of world strongest man and can?t help but be in awe of Mariusz Pudzianowski, although he only managed second place he only missed winning by the narrowest of margins, this was contested in October and pudz had his first MMA fight in December which means let?s face it he probably wasn?t training for strongman full on as he was concentrating on MMA and to do both means he wasn?t training 100% strongman.

While there are a few people already hypothetically putting him in with lesnar and a few writing him off full stop as his debut wasn?t full of skill and flair, I prefer to sit back and wait for his skill to develop and hope his management or himself don?t make the mistake of rushing him into opponents that he isn?t ready for.

While his striking pedigree is there having been an amateur boxer and a green belt in karate his BJJ and wrestling will be what he most needs to work on but once he has a base in those two aspects of MMA he will already be better than most people who have been doing it for a lot longer due to his incredible strength, this plus the mental toughness it takes to be the best in the world 5 times makes him a dangerous person,oh and don?t worry about all those muscles making him gas early the guy plays rugby and believe me WSM isn?t about static lifts anymore you need a fair bit of cardio and he is the best.

How many times have we heard that a fighter does so well because he is so strong on the floor, well this man is by far stronger than any MMA fighter and I can say this with full facts behind me no arguments or lesnar this or lesnar that its rubbish and you all know it, Mariusz has won the world?s strongest man title no fewer than five times and been second twice in the most recent competition he had to carry 2 x160KG one in each hand down a course and back not something your average man can do this plus pulling a plane along a runway nuff said.

So I ask you if this guy wants you to stay on the floor how you gonna get up? Or if he wants to get up how you gonna keep him down? Given his physique I doubt he will get knocked out so his one weakness is going to be submissions but again you aren?t going to be able to get a guy this strong in just any submission as he is just too strong.

Altogether I find him an exciting prospect for MMA just sit back and enjoy the ride don?t be trying to get him in with LESNAR or FEDOR too soon rather wait and let it happen when the times right.

[PappaDoc]

Mariusz Pudzianowski. I hope he developes. But we can't forget how big the guy is, he will have to lose nearly 60lbs to get into the octagon. At over 315lbs, the guy is too big, and it isn't like he has a bunch of fat. The guy is a beast. If Mariusz Pudzianowski can get down to a reasonable weight and get some ground skills, WATCH OUT!! He is a HUGE, the question mark right now. HUGE!!

[Jade7]

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I have just watched the finals of world strongest man and can?t help but be in awe of Mariusz Pudzianowski' date=' although he only managed second place he only missed winning by the narrowest of margins, this was contested in October and pudz had his first MMA fight in December which means let?s face it he probably wasn?t training for strongman full on as he was concentrating on MMA and to do both means he wasn?t training 100% strongman.

While there are a few people already hypothetically putting him in with lesnar and a few writing him off full stop as his debut wasn?t full of skill and flair, I prefer to sit back and wait for his skill to develop and hope his management or himself don?t make the mistake of rushing him into opponents that he isn?t ready for.

While his striking pedigree is there having been an amateur boxer and a green belt in karate his BJJ and wrestling will be what he most needs to work on but once he has a base in those two aspects of MMA he will already be better than most people who have been doing it for a lot longer due to his incredible strength, this plus the mental toughness it takes to be the best in the world 5 times makes him a dangerous person,oh and don?t worry about all those muscles making him gas early the guy plays rugby and believe me WSM isn?t about static lifts anymore you need a fair bit of cardio and he is the best.

How many times have we heard that a fighter does so well because he is so strong on the floor, well this man is by far stronger than any MMA fighter and I can say this with full facts behind me no arguments or lesnar this or lesnar that its rubbish and you all know it, Mariusz has won the world?s strongest man title no fewer than five times and been second twice in the most recent competition he had to carry 2 x160KG one in each hand down a course and back not something your average man can do this plus pulling a plane along a runway nuff said.

So I ask you if this guy wants you to stay on the floor how you gonna get up? Or if he wants to get up how you gonna keep him down? Given his physique I doubt he will get knocked out so his one weakness is going to be submissions but again you aren?t going to be able to get a guy this strong in just any submission as he is just too strong.

Altogether I find him an exciting prospect for MMA just sit back and enjoy the ride don?t be trying to get him in with LESNAR or FEDOR too soon rather wait and let it happen when the times right.[/quote']

 

Excellent points. I think Mariusz would be vulnerable to a KO from a good striker though, no matter how strong you are, a punch from someone like JDS on the button will put you out. But I like the fact that Mariusz is taking his time to develop well and work up to fighting more dangerous opponents. Apparently he is training MMA 3 times a day now, and if he continues to dedicate himself to the sport there is no doubt he will be a beast in a year or two.

[Jade7]

Mariusz Pudzianowski. I hope he developes. But we can't forget how big the guy is' date=' he will have to lose nearly 60lbs to get into the octagon. At over 315lbs, the guy is too big, and it isn't like he has a bunch of fat. The guy is a beast. If Mariusz Pudzianowski can get down to a reasonable weight and get some ground skills, WATCH OUT!! He is a HUGE, the question mark right now. HUGE!![/quote']

 

Mariusz fought at 277 in his debut last year. The weight loss issue is a non-factor for him right now.

[Jonnydingo]

I think with some more training and experience, he could decimate Lesnar. Would kill to see that.

[Jamhet]

I have just watched the finals of world strongest man and can’t help but be in awe of Mariusz Pudzianowski' date=' although [b']he only managed second place[/b] he only missed winning by the narrowest of margins

This was acutally a huge success, because he tore his bicep muscle only 2 months before that!!! He had a surgery, then was recovering for a month [ONLY!], and had only 3 weeks of full body training!! Because he had trained with his other arm and legs as much as it was possible for the whole time.

 

[Danomaticc]

Given his physique I doubt he will get knocked out

 

? are muscles cushioning his brain?

 

and he will gas in like 3 minutes, making him easy to sub or KO. Totally overrated.

[Jonnydingo]

? are muscles cushioning his brain?

 

and he will gas in like 3 minutes' date=' making him easy to sub or KO. Totally overrated.[/quote']

 

I think you'll be surprised by his cardio when it gets tested. This guy goes flat out in rugby. Plus you can't be lazy in those strongman competitions.

[Jamhet]

Pudzian gassing? Haha. No.

[BOOGMAN]

Lesnar would beat him if they fought today. Sure Pudz is stronger than Lesnar. People think Brock wins ONLY because he's big and strong. Brock is a world class wrestler. He's been training to control big guys essentially his whole life. Also, I don't if Pudz plays rugby or not, I can say with certainty that he would gas in a 5 round fight. Especially with a guy like Lesnar who isn't as strong but understands leverage and body position.

[DarkReflection]

I just think at this point he's almost entirely an unknown quantity.

 

Cheers

 

-DR

[Kable]

Pudz is a beast, he would be too much for heavyweights in the strength department, let him train up first though before we put him on a pedestal.

[jonzero1]

 

I have just watched the finals of world strongest man and can?t help but be in awe of Mariusz Pudzianowski' date=' although he only managed second place he only missed winning by the narrowest of margins

[b']While there are a few people already hypothetically putting him in with lesnar and a few writing him off full stop as his debut wasn?t full of skill and flair, I prefer to sit back and wait for his skill to develop and hope his management or himself don?t make the mistake of rushing him into opponents that he isn?t ready for.[/b]

While his striking pedigree is there having been an amateur boxer and a green belt in karate his BJJ and wrestling will be what he most needs to work on but once he has a base in those two aspects of MMA he will already be better than most people who have been doing it for a lot longer due to his incredible strength, this plus the mental toughness it takes to be the best in the world 5 times makes him a dangerous person,oh and don?t worry about all those muscles making him gas early the guy plays rugby and believe me WSM isn?t about static lifts anymore you need a fair bit of cardio and he is the best.

How many times have we heard that a fighter does so well because he is so strong on the floor, well this man is by far stronger than any MMA fighter and I can say this with full facts behind me no arguments or lesnar this or lesnar that its rubbish and you all know it, Mariusz has won the world?s strongest man title no fewer than five times and been second twice in the most recent competition he had to carry 2 x160KG one in each hand down a course and back not something your average man can do this plus pulling a plane along a runway nuff said.

So I ask you if this guy wants you to stay on the floor how you gonna get up? Or if he wants to get up how you gonna keep him down? Given his physique I doubt he will get knocked out so his one weakness is going to be submissions but again you aren?t going to be able to get a guy this strong in just any submission as he is just too strong.

Altogether I find him an exciting prospect for MMA just sit back and enjoy the ride don?t be trying to get him in with LESNAR or FEDOR too soon rather wait and let it happen when the times right.

 

Great post. I will defo watch how his MMA career progresses, I always just thought he was a strongman, didn't know about his martial arts and rugby, which shows he has probably got very good conditioning as well as awesome power.

 

He did look stiff in his first fight but when he exploded I felt sorry for the other fighter!

[t0xyg3n]

? are muscles cushioning his brain?

 

and he will gas in like 3 minutes' date=' making him easy to sub or KO. Totally overrated.[/quote']

 

why don't you use your crystal ball to secure world piece or avert disasters like in Haiti?

 

 

He's a serious competitor and a skilled Karateka. People write him off because he's physically gifted, so he must be a lumbering moron. FAIL

[bobilator]

? are muscles cushioning his brain?

 

and he will gas in like 3 minutes' date=' making him easy to sub or KO. Totally overrated.[/quote']

 

Lol i have seen him run with 100 kilos in bot hand for like 5 minute in the farmer walk at strongest man . This guys surprise me by how fast and cardio he got .

[Martino231]

This is a guy with incredible potential. With his physical strength and cardio, he has the chance to be one of the best. However, he's not getting any younger and it will be hard for him to get his grappling to a decent level considering he will essentially be training from scratch.

 

He may not be the next Brock, but I'll certainly be watching out for his next few fights.

[Megasoup]

? are muscles cushioning his brain?

 

and he will gas in like 3 minutes' date=' making him easy to sub or KO. Totally overrated.[/quote']

 

Knockouts are generally caused by neck snap/spin. Highly developed muscles help prevent this. Everybody involved in the sport knows this. You don't though, so don't lambast someone as ridiculous if you're out of your depth or speaking on a subject you have no expertise in.

[jonzero1]

don't lambast someone as ridiculous if you're out of your depth or speaking on a subject you have no expertise in.

 

Can someone put this as a sticky in bold on the forum home page? Thanks!

[Megasoup]

Let's talk about strength for a second.

 

I've grappled with an unskilled, inexperienced strength athlete. He'd at one time bench pressed well over 700 lbs in a sanctioned competition. Sure I sometimes could outposition him, his strength prevented a lot of moves from playing out, but I couldn't submit him. He was trying to learn and get better, so he'd try all kinds of techniques, but whenever he wanted he could just grab my arm (you can't hide your arms) and will it into a kimura. I am not an elite grappler and this guy was not an elite powerlifter. I imagine with a few more fights under his belt, this Mariusz could do the same thing to a top 10 guy that our local powerlifter did to me. I am very curious to see how far this guy could go.

[StompGrind]

I think theres way too much hype about this guy.

 

Anyone with some decent hands and isn't afraid will end his night quick.

 

He's powerful yes but his technique looks pretty sloppy from what I've seen.

[Jamhet]

PUDZIANOWSKI'S CARDIO DISCUSSION ENDED FOR GOOD:

 

http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=20972

[StompGrind]

PUDZIANOWSKI'S CARDIO DISCUSSION ENDED FOR GOOD:

 

http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=20972

 

That proves nothing. Just because you can compete in another sport and be fine doesn't necessarily mean he would be fine cardio wise in a 3 or more round MMA match where he blew alot of energy in the first two rounds.

 

Im not really questioning his cardio here per se but tbh it hasn't been fully tested for MMA yet regardless of his feats in other sports. It really is a different animal altogether. I've heard of elite pro atheletes spar a 3 min round and they were toast afterward.

 

Also a man with that much muscle simply needs more oxygen to fuel them and I suspect that if he were fighting a five round fight he'd have some issues regardless of how good his cardio is.

 

This may not be an issue with him but I would have my doubts until he's tested in MMA.

Not so much a 3 round fight if he paced himself but if the tempo was high thorughout it could be an issue.

[joshdfs]

I wouldn't think his cardio would be a question at all in a 3 rd fight. Watch a few of the WSM comps when he is decimating the field. He is doing full on strength competitions and he never got tired. Almost every event he participated in he would do enough to win but never exhausted himself. If he needed ten reps, he did 12, and could have kept going. The other competitors, the announcers, the play by play guys, all were astonished not only at his strength but at his immense cardiovascular capacity. There are also videos floating around of him rowing a 1500 meter race against olympic rowers and doing pretty well. His Cardio seems to hold up just fine doing that and that is one of the most intense cardiovascular sports on the planet. Plus it is said he a monster on the pitch, another incredibly physically demanding sport. He is an entirely different physical human being, almost superhuman.

 

All that being said, in his debut fight he was a little frantic and hence a little sloppy, that will clean up when he gets more fight time in. He's got the striking background and the thing about his strength is he will really only need to learn very basic technique to be totally dominant. Don't think Brock got to where he did in amature wrestling through diverse and developed techniques. He did 4 or 5 things, but did them so well with strength and athleticism he could dominate everyone he ever faced that was smaller than him (see Steve Neal story).

 

Pudz has comic book hero potential. He is obviously a simply amazing physical specimen, and has the personal drive to train with the intensity needed to be successful at any sport. I will definitely be keeping an eye on him and looking forward, with some optimism, to his future in MMA.

[Jonnydingo]

StompGrind, your avatar is awesome lol

[WarBringer]

Anyone who questions his strength is retarded, but we all know while strength helps in MMA, it isn't enough to win fights (it'll help win a few thought ) That being said, I think we can all expect him to improve A LOT. I can't wait to see his next fight to see how much he improved.

[hotmetal45]

Pudz is not your average strongman, the reason he is being talked about is because he is such a cardio machine, something that was nigh on unheard of until he burst onto the strongman scene, and the only thing stronger than his physical strength is his mental strength. He has all the tools to be a very good fighter, but lets just wait and see, but if he ever makes the UFC it would be very exciting.

[aethlefirth]

lesnar would beat him if they fought today. Sure pudz is stronger than lesnar. People think brock wins only because he's big and strong. Brock is a world class wrestler. He's been training to control big guys essentially his whole life. Also' date=' i don't if pudz plays rugby or not, i can say with certainty that he would gas in a 5 round fight. Especially with a guy like lesnar who isn't as strong but understands leverage and body position.[/quote']

 

this is the point i was making,it is pointless to talk about him fighting lesnar or any of the top five or ten heavies yet.

[aethlefirth]

knockouts are generally caused by neck snap/spin. Highly developed muscles help prevent this. everybody involved in the sport knows this. You don't though' date=' so don't lambast someone as ridiculous if you're out of your depth or speaking on a subject you have no expertise in.[/quote']

 

again my point well said sir!

[aethlefirth]

i think theres way too much hype about this guy.

 

anyone with some decent hands and isn't afraid will end his night quick.

 

He's powerful yes but his technique looks pretty sloppy from what i've seen.

 

the hype is caused by how famous this guy is as a strongman which is why i made the thread just to say lets wait and see instead of trying to throw him in against top five heavies right now,i think given some time this guy will be a great prospect and i would have to dissagree with you on your point in bold,as for technique being sloppy every single fighter in the world has sloppy technique in their first fight its called nerves, if you have not fought you wont know but you just want that first fight over as fast as possible and to come away with the win.

[aethlefirth]

pudzianowski's cardio discussion ended for good:

 

http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=20972

 

very good i loved that

[StompGrind]

the hype is caused by how famous this guy is as a strongman which is why i made the thread just to say lets wait and see instead of trying to throw him in against top five heavies right now' date='i think given some time this guy will be a great prospect and i would have to dissagree with you on your point in bold,as for technique being sloppy every single fighter in the world has sloppy technique in their first fight its called nerves, if you have not fought you wont know but you just want that first fight over as fast as possible and to come away with the win.[/quote']

 

Your right about the nerves thing. I was more just saying that as a counter to all those that believe he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I agree with others he has potential just saying lets not jump the gun just yet. As for my point about his cardio I mentioned I don't really question it but we really don't know for sure yet until he's tested fully in a 3 round war. I still stand by the point that just because your a an elite cardio machine in other sports doesn't necessarily mean you will be in MMA.

 

Concerning neck snap/spin generally causing KO's this is only partially true. Having a strong neck to absorb a strong impact may have some benifit but he's still human and his lights can be shut off just like anyone else. KO's are generally caused by your brain slamming into your skull at a high rate of speed. How high a persons threshhold is for absorbing a hard blow has far more to do with what that Individual can take. Point being strong neck muscles doesn't necessarily mean hard to KO. Does it help..It can but only up to a certain point. What that point is varies in people regardless of neck strength.

 

Concerning he's too strong to do submissions on I disagree. An average strength heavyweight body with good technique against one of the strongest limbs and I will pick the whole body everytime. I will say that if he has decent submission defense it would be better to go for things he can't strength out of such as a heelhook or rear naked choke. Armbar he may be able to slide his elbow out enough to relieve pressure, side choke he may be able to force his arm out from being trapped etc. etc. Can his strength aid in that defense? Certainly but only up to a point. Regardless though he will still need to know how to defend. Lets say someone catchs him in a armbar from the guard and has perfect leverage against the joint. If he doesn't stack them and or pull his elbow out in time it will get broken. A bicep curl ( perhaps even one of the strongest in the world ) against a HW's whole body with decent strength and applying perfect leverage and I will bet against the limb everytime.

 

With all that said I agree with you guys he shows potential. Alot in fact but his physical and even mental talents can only take you so far. You need the total package to rise to the top of this sport and from what I've seen technique is lacking. To be fair though he does show promise for being totally green.

[Vonyoda]

I'm on the bandwagon big time and can't wait til his next fight but i think his takedowns are going to need some serious work judging by this

[Jonnydingo]

lol

[Kable]

You can't doubt Rugby Cardio...if you do...your fairly dim.

[aethlefirth]

Your right about the nerves thing. I was more just saying that as a counter to all those that believe he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I agree with others he has potential just saying lets not jump the gun just yet. As for my point about his cardio I mentioned I don't really question it but we really don't know for sure yet until he's tested fully in a 3 round war. I still stand by the point that just because your a an elite cardio machine in other sports doesn't necessarily mean you will be in MMA.

 

Concerning neck snap/spin generally causing KO's this is only partially true. Having a strong neck to absorb a strong impact may have some benifit but he's still human and his lights can be shut off just like anyone else. KO's are generally caused by your brain slamming into your skull at a high rate of speed. How high a persons threshhold is for absorbing a hard blow has far more to do with what that Individual can take. Point being strong neck muscles doesn't necessarily mean hard to KO. Does it help..It can but only up to a certain point. What that point is varies in people regardless of neck strength.

 

Concerning he's too strong to do submissions on I disagree. An average strength heavyweight body with good technique against one of the strongest limbs and I will pick the whole body everytime. I will say that if he has decent submission defense it would be better to go for things he can't strength out of such as a heelhook or rear naked choke. Armbar he may be able to slide his elbow out enough to relieve pressure' date=' side choke he may be able to force his arm out from being trapped etc. etc. Can his strength aid in that defense? Certainly but only up to a point. Regardless though he will still need to know how to defend. Lets say someone catchs him in a armbar from the guard and has perfect leverage against the joint. If he doesn't stack them and or pull his elbow out in time it will get broken. A bicep curl ( perhaps even one of the strongest in the world ) against a HW's whole body with decent strength and applying perfect leverage and I will bet against the limb everytime.

 

With all that said I agree with you guys he shows potential. Alot in fact but his physical and even mental talents can only take you so far. You need the total package to rise to the top of this sport and from what I've seen technique is lacking. To be fair though he does show promise for being totally green.[/quote']

 

good points well put accross

[Kevbo_Jones]

For those of you uneducated fans who always come in with the weight topic. He weighed in at his first fight at 277lbs. without a cut. KSW doesn't have a HW limit within that range so he just came in at walking weight. ONCE AGAIN HIS NATURAL, EVERYDAY, RUN OF THE MILL WALKING WEIGHT IS 277lbs. Anyone with a bit of size and has cut weight, like myself(cut from 230 to 205 twice with minimal effort) cutting 12 lbs to make a major orgs. HW limit would hardly be anything more than a bump in the road. He may be able to lose 12 lbs. of water weight just relaxing in a sauna, with his muscle mass.