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Here's some ammunition for those of us who question the whole "biggest loser" phenomenon. Forcing obese people through intense workoutsa is fun to watch - but really does nothing for their problem.

 

Weight lose has next to nothing to do with exercise - and everything to do with nutrition.

 

Don;t expect to hear anything but the opposite from the multi billion dollar work out industry.

 

Any lie is agood one as long as it keeps the $$ rolling in.

 

Obesity 101: Is exercise a weight-loss dead end?

Sharon Kirkey, Canwest News Service

 

Allen McInnis / Canwest News Service file photo

It's such a widely accepted idea it's virtually dieting dogma, pushed with almost religious zeal: You can't lose weight without exercising more.

 

But the story of Francina Kehoe, a B.C. woman who has battled obesity for years, highlights a growing body of research that shows what matters far more is how much we eat - not how much we move.

 

On Feb. 8, surgeons made five small incisions in Kehoe's belly, inserted their long, thin instruments through the openings, and removed 85% of her stomach.

 

Kehoe had waited five years for her vertical gastric sleeve gastrectomy, a form of weight-loss surgery that shrinks the stomach from the shape of sack to a thin tube. Six hours after the first surgery, Kehoe required a second to stop internal bleeding. She endured a blood transfusion, elevated heart rate, swelling in her hands and arms and spasms of post-surgical pain unlike anything she had felt before.

 

Kehoe weighed 267 pounds going into surgery. In 2002, when she was at her heaviest, she weighed 310 pounds. But even at 240 pounds, she could ski or walk 10 kilometres. She admits there were times she was fitter than others, times when the sheer size of her body and the ache in her joints made exercise painful. But there were times, too, when she would exercise regularly, hitting the gym three to four times a week for months at a time. But the numbers on the scale never budged.

 

Now controversy is growing over whether working out to lose weight can be an exercise in futility. At issue is whether the amount of exercise needed for significant weight loss is unrealistic and whether gluttony is where efforts should be focused.

 

According to the latest estimates from Statistics Canada, 37% of the adult population aged 20 to 69 - 7.9 million people - are overweight, meaning they have a body mass index between 25 and 30. Another 24% - 5.3 million - are obese, with a BMI of 30 or more.

 

Eric Ravussin, who is recognized internationally for his work in obesity and diabetes, says the amount of exercise needed to lose significant pounds is more than most individuals are capable of. "But it is more true for the obese because they could never achieve the level of exercise which could make a dent in weight loss."

 

Experiments by University of Ottawa researchers suggest people vastly overestimate how many calories they burn during a workout, and overcompensate by eating more after they exercise.

 

"Athletes have to eat 5,000 calories to maintain 10 kilometres a day of running. But we're not talking about athletes, we're talking about obese people," says Ravussin, director of the Nutrition Obesity Research Centre at the Pennington Biomedical Research Centre in Baton Rouge, La.

 

"First of all, most of them hate exercise. Second, you need a lot of exercise, and a lot of time, to make a 200-, 300-, 400-calorie deficit, whereas you can easily make a 1,000 [calorie] deficit by cutting down intake."

 

Regular exercise reaps substantial health benefits, Ravussin stresses - better cardiovascular fitness, increased insulin sensitivity, lower blood pressure and cholesterol, less anxiety and depression, and a lower risk of early death and disease. He and others say physical activity is an essential determinant of health, and should be promoted for that reason. It's just not the best way to treat obesity.

 

While governments across Canada have promoted school-based physical activity as a key part of the solution to childhood obesity, B.C. researchers who analyzed 18 studies involving more than 18,000 children found that, although they had other beneficial effects, school-based physical activity interventions didn't improve BMI. Nor did they find any consistent changes in other measures of body composition, such as skin-fold thickness or waist circumference.

 

In a Time magazine cover story last summer, Ravussin stated that, "In general, for weight loss, exercise is pretty useless." Colleagues were so startled, they thought he must have been misquoted. The executive director of Ravussin's research institute, Dr. Claude Bouchard, formerly of Laval University in Quebec City, posted a rebuttal on the institute's website, arguing that it makes no difference to the human body whether it sheds calories via eating less or exercising more. The end result, Bouchard says, is the same: "Weight is lost."

 

"So it may be easier to reduce your calories by eating less than by exercising more, but this does not mean exercise is ?useless,' he said.

 

Nor, he said, is he aware of any scientific proof that people eat more after a workout, just because they believe they earned the right to overindulge. "If the exercise is somewhat intensive, we see the opposite, there's a depression of appetite," Bouchard said in an interview. "You don't want to eat."

 

Ravussin is undeterred. "If you have been a couch potato for 45 years of your life, it's very unlikely you're going to engage in a rigorous exercise program," he argues.

 

"I know that if I stop exercising the way I do, I would gain weight, but this isn't the issue. The issue is, how good is exercise for weight loss? And the answer to me is still, very lousy."

 

Others beg to differ. Dr. Robert Ross, a leading exercise physiologist at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont., says regular exercise can lead to significant reductions in abdominal fat, particularly visceral fat - fat that wraps around the intestines, liver and other organs that's more dangerous than peripheral fat, the fat beneath the skin - even without significant weight loss. "Exercise mobilizes more fat from the abdominal region, and you get all the other benefits of physical activity," says Ross, director of Queen's Centre for Obesity Research and Education. "I do not accept the notion that physical activity is useless as an obesity reduction strategy. That is simply not true."

 

Statistics Canada says 61% of all Canadian adults are overweight or obese. Not only are we fatter, we're less fit and less flexible than we were a generation ago, according to a report released in January that led to predicted calls for "urgent action" to get Canadians moving more and sitting less. The Canadian Health Measures Survey was heralded as the most comprehensive national survey ever conducted that used direct physical measures of Canadians' health. But, aside from asking people how frequently they ate certain foods, there was no information on quantity, or calorie intake.

 

And there's the rub: Few people appreciate the amount of activity required to compensate for even small amounts of food. To lose 500 calories through exercise would require a daily eight-kilometre walk or run, or an hour of vigorous exercise.

 

"It's always disheartening to be on the treadmill and be sweating and sweating and sweating, and you realize, this is just 200 calories? It's not even a candy bar," says Amy Luke, an associate professor in the department of preventive medicine and epidemiology at Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine.

 

People can overcompensate for the calories burned during a typical workout before even leaving the gym. The Dairy Farmers of Canada recently began promoting low-fat chocolate milk as a post-exercise recovery drink, based on studies suggesting that the protein found in chocolate milk helps recharge muscles.

 

One 500 mL carton of 1% chocolate milk contains 332 calories.

 

"For the vast majority of gym-goers that would be about an hour's worth of exercise," says Dr. Yoni Freedhoff, an Ottawa doctor who runs an obesity treatment clinic. "So, at best, you're breaking even. At worst, you come out behind."

 

"Sadly, many public health officials still focus on exercise as being the most important thing to focus on. Public health goes out of its way not to talk about calories," Freedhoff says. "Our food guide gives zero guidance on calories, aside from saying, ?don't eat too many of them.' People want to believe it's all about exercise. "

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what scientific bs

 

i hate how the web is filled with pointless **** that just confuses people more. this stuff puts people off from going on a real diet

 

1) muscle DOES burn fat

 

the more muscle you have, the higher metabolism you have. look at mariuz pud, the guy HAS to eat about 6-7000 calories a day just to maintain his weight. during his weightlifting days, he didnt do cardio.

 

2) you NEED exercise to lose weight. there is no way your getting down to 10% body fat and being healthy without exercise. if you want reasonable strength and health, you need exercise.

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what scientific bs

 

i hate how the web is filled with pointless **** that just confuses people more. this stuff puts people off from going on a real diet

 

1) muscle DOES burn fat

 

the more muscle you have' date=' the higher metabolism you have. look at mariuz pud, the guy HAS to eat about 6-7000 calories a day just to maintain his weight. during his weightlifting days, he didnt do cardio.

 

2) you NEED exercise to lose weight. there is no way your getting down to 10% body fat and being healthy without exercise. if you want reasonable strength and health, you need exercise.[/quote']

 

I agree.

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Not covered here is the "muscle burns more calories than fat myth".

 

There is no way to meaningfully boost your metabolism so that you are burning more calories at rest.

 

Despite the fact you will hear the opposite from just about anybody who profits from having people believe it.

 

I disagree, can someone lose weight by diet alone? Ofcourse, and it is according how heavy a person is. Aperson dieting that needs to lose only 10 pounds is different than someone needding to lose 100 pounds. High Intensity exercise it what is best for weight lose along with a good diet. That is fact.

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what scientific bs

 

i hate how the web is filled with pointless **** that just confuses people more. this stuff puts people off from going on a real diet

 

1) muscle DOES burn fat

 

the more muscle you have' date=' the higher metabolism you have. look at mariuz pud, the guy HAS to eat about 6-7000 calories a day just to maintain his weight. during his weightlifting days, he didnt do cardio.

 

2) you NEED exercise to lose weight. there is no way your getting down to 10% body fat and being healthy without exercise. if you want reasonable strength and health, you need exercise.[/quote']

 

I agree with answer 1. But you,re wrong on answer 2. Obviously you havent dieted well or on the right foods ever. Eating all natural foods ( fresh, non canned, low fat, white meats, etc ) will not only help ones metabolism but you actually burn calories just by what your eating. Take for instance a baked potato that has about 150 calories in it, it takes your body roughly 600 calories to digest it. Eating right can and will drop body fat as long as you stay disciplined to doing it, most cant because they do the worst thing of all, drink alcohol which not only stacks up calories and sugars but also flushes all the good shyt out of your body that you spent weeks or months building up.

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I agree with answer 1. But you' date='re wrong on answer 2. Obviously you havent dieted well or on the right foods ever. Eating all natural foods ( fresh, non canned, low fat, white meats, etc ) will not only help ones metabolism but you actually burn calories just by what your eating. Take for instance a baked potato that has about 150 calories in it, it takes your body roughly 600 calories to digest it. Eating right can and will drop body fat as long as you stay disciplined to doing it, most cant because they do the worst thing of all, drink alcohol which not only stacks up calories and sugars but also flushes all the good shyt out of your body that you spent weeks or months building up.[/quote']

 

You can lose weight on a diet, but you will not lose any significant mass of fat. Exercise is the only way to lose that belly. You will not lose any significant fat just by dieting, don't talk nonsense.

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You can lose weight on a diet' date=' but you will not lose any significant mass of fat. Exercise is the only way to lose that belly. You will not lose any significant fat just by dieting, don't talk nonsense.[/quote']

 

ok einstein......"can lose weight on a diet" BUT "will not lose any significant fat "...what the fck do you think people are losing when they diet ???? And until your azz eats right for months on end ( which obviously it hasnt or you'd know ) don't call it nonsense.

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ok einstein......"can lose weight on a diet" BUT "will not lose any significant fat "...what the fck do you think people are losing when they diet ???? And until your azz eats right for months on end ( which obviously it hasnt or you'd know ) don't call it nonsense.

 

you're a god damn retard. I'm going to explain this to you just because i feel sorry for you. When you diet, you might end up losing water weight from daily routines and a little fat here and there. You might lose 5lb a month if you're lucky.

With exercise, you lose massive amounts of water weight, and you BURN off fat, on top of that, constant exercise speeds up your metabolism and burns fat even faster.

There is a lot more to it, but you're not worth explaining it to. ****.

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lol you don't build a better body in the kitchen you do it in the weight room. If you lost weight with just a diet you wouldn't have any muscle and you wouldn't be able to perform better. Like running you couldnt run better if you lost 30 pounds. Also jogging and running burns additional calories witch will speed up your weight loss. Lifting weights doesn't burn that much calories because your not doing it for a long time you pick up the weight and lift it for about 15 seconds and take a minute break. Jogging consistently will burn alot of calories because its non stop same with walking. If you want big muscles all you got to do is do simple free weight exercises and lift HEAVY weight

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you're a god damn retard. I'm going to explain this to you just because i feel sorry for you. When you diet' date=' you might end up losing water weight from daily routines and a little fat here and there. You might lose 5lb a month if you're lucky.

With exercise, you lose massive amounts of water weight, and you BURN off fat, on top of that, constant exercise speeds up your metabolism and burns fat even faster.

There is a lot more to it, but you're not worth explaining it to. ****.[/quote']

 

He just refuses to understand.

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but also if you want huge muscles your cario is going to suffer a bit because your muscles require more energy when they are active during exercise. Muscles in your body metabolise glucose (sugar) in your bloodstream, breaking it down and taking it in to generate a high energy molecule known as ATP, which is essential for a cells functioning. Part of this process requires oxygen to fully break down the glucose-so when you need more energy metabolised, you'll need more oxygen too. If you don't get enough oxygen, your muscles will not be able to fully break down available glucose, they'll become fatigued and produce lactic acid instead- giving you a sore welling.

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Eat healthy and workout! Is it that ***** hard? If that doesn't work go to doctor and ask WTF is wrong with me, people who are going under a knife to loose fat and weight or cutting their stomachs to 85% smaller are ***** pathetic, if you dont have any willpower or what ever self-discipline you deserve to be obese or overweight. (sorry for bad spelling and shi't it's the language barrier what can i do.)

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what scientific bs

 

i hate how the web is filled with pointless **** that just confuses people more. this stuff puts people off from going on a real diet

 

1) muscle DOES burn fat

 

the more muscle you have' date=' the higher metabolism you have. look at mariuz pud, the guy HAS to eat about 6-7000 calories a day just to maintain his weight. during his weightlifting days, he didnt do cardio.

 

2) you NEED exercise to lose weight. there is no way your getting down to 10% body fat and being healthy without exercise. if you want reasonable strength and health, you need exercise.[/quote']

 

Your problem is that you don;t read. EIther you don;t know how or you're just too lazy.

 

The article is specifcally NOT TALKING ABOUT ATHELETES.

 

The article is talking about obese people.

 

These people can cut thousadns of calories from their daily intakes by eliminating bad foods. Just by switching to water as their only liquid they ca acheive greather weight loss than exercising 24 hours a day.

 

Exercise is peanuts weight loss wise.

 

REad the article.

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The bottom line is to lose weight you have spend more calories than you are taking in. It is very tough to consume less calories than you are spending while you are sitting on your ****. If you burn an extra 800 calories a day in excercise it's going to help you. Also it's obviously the type of foods you eat and breaking it down to several small meals instead of a couple of really heavy ones. Starving yourself doesn't work as well as you would think. Your body reacts to that by slowing down your metabolism.

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I disagree' date=' can someone lose weight by diet alone? Ofcourse, and it is according how heavy a person is. Aperson dieting that needs to lose only 10 pounds is different than someone needding to lose 100 pounds. High Intensity exercise it what is best for weight lose along with a good diet. That is fact.[/quote']

 

If you are talking about obese people - and thats what we're talking about - exercise is a false hope.

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^ Fat guy.

 

^Nicely done sir.....

 

You can't eat Big Mac's every day, run on a treadmill and expect to not gain weight.

 

So yeah, if you're going to pick EITHER diet OR excersize, then dieting is clearly the way to go. However, there is no doubt that a combination of diet and excersize is the way to go. There is no question about this.

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The bottom line is to lose weight you have spend more calories than you are taking in. It is very tough to consume less calories than you are spending while you are sitting on your ****. If you burn an extra 800 calories a day in excercise it's going to help you. Also it's obviously the type of foods you eat and breaking it down to several small meals instead of a couple of really heavy ones. Starving yourself doesn't work as well as you would think. Your body reacts to that by slowing down your metabolism.

 

YOu couldn;t be more wrong.

 

Just sitting on your **** is going to expend 2500-3000 calories a day for a fat guy.

 

YOU tell me how you are going to work out and burn 2500-3000 calories a day.

 

Yes exercise is an important part of health - but working out to lose weight as opposed to become stronger and happier and more flexable is just a cruel thing to put on these lard butts.

 

The weight loss gains are miniscule as opposed to the tremendous weight loss yuo can achieve through nutrition.

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^Nicely done sir.....

 

You can't eat Big Mac's every day' date=' run on a treadmill and expect to not gain weight.

 

So yeah, if you're going to pick EITHER diet OR excersize, then dieting is clearly the way to go. However, there is no doubt that a combination of diet and excersize is the way to go. There is no question about this.[/quote']

 

You;'re right.

 

Its just that the relative importance to obese people is about 95% nutrition and 5% exercise.

 

Any exercise beyond moderate is questionable for this group.

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I disagree' date=' can someone lose weight by diet alone? Ofcourse, and it is according how heavy a person is. Aperson dieting that needs to lose only 10 pounds is different than someone needding to lose 100 pounds. High Intensity exercise it what is best for weight lose along with a good diet. That is fact.[/quote']

 

No it isn;t a fact.

 

It is, however, what you want to believe.

 

If you are talking strictly about weight loss high intensity workouts are useless or worse.

 

Best results are achieved through moderate cardio.

 

Again - you are only augmenting to a SMALL DEGREE the weight loss that is acheived through calorie reduction.

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YOu couldn;t be more wrong.

 

Just sitting on your **** is going to expend 2500-3000 calories a day for a fat guy.

 

YOU tell me how you are going to work out and burn 2500-3000 calories a day.

 

Yes exercise is an important part of health - but working out to lose weight as opposed to become stronger and happier and more flexable is just a cruel thing to put on these lard butts.

 

The weight loss gains are miniscule as opposed to the tremendous weight loss yuo can achieve through nutrition.

 

If you are referring to someone morbidly obese than the problem is that they probably can't excercise. In fact many haven't moved out of their bed in years. But if they are able to get up and move any exercise that burns calories is going to help. It doesn't have to be some extreme work out, in fact that would probably be dangerous for them. But just taking short walks is going to be good for them. No I'm not for sticking a 600 pound guy on a treadmill for an hour. Any obese people that are an acceptable weight and keep the weight off must excercise at some time. It may just be diet at first but they have excercise in their routine at some point or they probably don't ever get down to the weight they should be or keep it off.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but i lost 89lb with a good work out routine' date=' not by doing nothing.[/quote']

 

I hate to burt your bubble but all that working out played only a minor role in losing 89 pounds.

 

In order to lose 89 pounds you expended 3500 * 89 = 311,500 calories more than you took in.

 

You tell me what you did to burn 311,500 calories in the gym.

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No it isn;t a fact.

 

It is' date=' however, what you want to believe.

 

If you are talking strictly about weight loss high intensity workouts are useless or worse.

 

Best results are achieved through moderate cardio.

 

Again - you are only augmenting to a SMALL DEGREE the weight loss that is acheived through calorie reduction.[/quote']

 

 

 

I have had experience in this field for 15 years and i have seen the effects of a diet alone compared to diet and exercise, and the vast majority see far better results when diet and exercise is used. I have trained countless people. Results do not lie.

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I agree with answer 1. But you,re wrong on answer 2. Obviously you havent dieted well or on the right foods ever. Eating all natural foods ( fresh, non canned, low fat, white meats, etc ) will not only help ones metabolism but you actually burn calories just by what your eating. Take for instance a baked potato that has about 150 calories in it, it takes your body roughly 600 calories to digest it. Eating right can and will drop body fat as long as you stay disciplined to doing it, most cant because they do the worst thing of all, drink alcohol which not only stacks up calories and sugars but also flushes all the good shyt out of your body that you spent weeks or months building up.

 

Eating right can lose weight, but only to a certain extent.

 

Like I said, I will NEVER get 9% body fat, and be healthy and strong by JUST eating right. You get a six pac either if your skinny, or if you workout.

 

I hate to burt your bubble but all that working out played only a minor role in losing 89 pounds.

 

In order to lose 89 pounds you expended 3500 * 89 = 311,500 calories more than you took in.

 

You tell me what you did to burn 311,500 calories in the gym.

 

I'm sure he didnt hint that he was eating EXACTLY the same foods.

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Eating right can lose weight' date=' but only to a certain extent.

 

Like I said, I will NEVER get 9% body fat, and be healthy and strong by JUST eating right. You get a six pac either if your skinny, or if you workout.

 

 

 

I'm sure he didnt hint that he was eating EXACTLY the same foods.[/quote']

 

Of course not, becaue if you eat wrong working out isn;t going to lose you any weight.

 

I don;t care what you do or long you do it.

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Of course not' date=' becaue if you eat wrong working out isn;t going to lose you any weight.

 

I don;t care what you do or long you do it.[/quote']

 

Untrue.

 

When I was about 16 I was going to the gym 5 days a week and I had kept my eating EXACTLY the same (eating junk)

 

I was still losing weight, although it was happening slowly. In about 2 months I lost around 4-5lbs

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I'm 6'3 170 lbs virtually all muscle and no fat...I got my body like this from my diet and exercise combination...I think being fit is 70% nutrition and 30% intense exercise. I was originally 200 lbs and two years ago I started working out vigorously and definitely saw results but not as fast as I would like. As soon as I incorporated a nutritionist into my diet plan I saw HUGE results...I'm a beast now and I owe it to my diet and exercise combination. I do believe a healthy diet is a bigger part of being fit...especially if you want to have an MMA body.

 

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Most morbidly obese people have terrible eating habits. However' date=' even if they go from eating triple whoppers to a handful of almonds every day they won't shed any weight. They have to WORK that fat off it's not just going to leave after years of neglect.[/quote']

 

And no amount of exercise is going to make up for eating 12 happy meals a day.

 

The only thing that is going to save the 12 happy meal a day guy is to stop eating 12 happy meals a day.

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