Rob_Lazarus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I think everyone would probably agree, whether they like Frank Mir or not that he has some of the best MMA adapted BJJ in the UFC. His submissions are slick and can come off really quickly. Will Carwin not engage as much in the stand up in fear of being taken down? With Mir, a choke or joint lock can come in an instant and Carwin will have to be extremely cautious if the fight hits the mat, especially if he's not on top. Will this affect Carwin's stand up? Or do you think Carwin will be indifferent to the ground game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonson86 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 i wouldent think so Mir is a smart fighter but i think that he thinks to highly of his stand up these days so IMO he will want to stand with him so he can get the KO but after he eats a few of carwins punches he will want to take the fight to the ground but it might be to late to even try seeing how carwin can KO anybody with just one punch.Also carwin was a pretty good wrestler so i am sure that if mir trys to take him down he will be able to stuff the take down. Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Lazarus Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 i wouldent think so Mir is a smart fighter but i think that he thinks to highly of his stand up these days so IMO he will want to stand with him so he can get the KO but after he eats a few of carwins punches he will want to take the fight to the ground but it might be to late to even try seeing how carwin can KO anybody with just one punch.Also carwin was a pretty good wrestler so i am sure that if mir trys to take him down he will be able to stuff the take down. Just my 2 cents Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillaSteve3000 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 i think it will be a stand up battle the only way it goes to the ground is if someone gets rocked with a punch if carwin rocks mir it just might be over but if mir rocks carwin expect a submission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBorn Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Mir's TD ability really isn't all that special. He's bigger and stronger than he was so that MIGHT change things but I doubt it. He's just not a take down kind of guy. He brawls until someone takes him down then he submits 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 ... if mir does not take it to the ground immediately, he deserves what he gets .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Lazarus Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 i think it will be a stand up battle the only way it goes to the ground is if someone gets rocked with a punch if carwin rocks mir it just might be over but if mir rocks carwin expect a submission I think you're probably right. Mir has had confidence in his stand up in his last few fights. I think he'll feel he's superior in the stand up in this one. Which might well be true. I think Carwin's stand up (not his power) is kind of overrated. Everybody remembers the KO's of Welsch and Gonzaga' date=' but in the fight against Neil Wain Carwin took it to the ground because he was kind of getting worked on the feet. Watch the video again if you have doubts. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDgwNTQyNDA=.html Mir's TD ability really isn't all that special. He's bigger and stronger than he was so that MIGHT change things but I doubt it. He's just not a take down kind of guy. He brawls until someone takes him down then he submits 'em. I agree, haven't really seen Mir shoot much in the past. I think he's a little too proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaquin Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Mir's BJJ has pretty much always come from his back. He's not a shoot/td artist by any means. Carwin is also a BJJ brown belt so its not like he is clueless when it comes to the submission game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRearNaked Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 i think carwin will want to stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Fear the take down? Carwin will get on top af Mir and KO him like everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakergod Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 yea steve said it, it only goes to the ground when someones knees buckle, carwin is a strong dude but I can see mir locking in a gay ankle lock or somthing but I hope carwin breaks his jaw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Lazarus Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Fear the take down? Carwin will get on top af Mir and KO him like everybody else. I think it's pretty safe to say Carwin will not be able to dominate Mir on the ground like Lesnar was able to. Lesnar's wrestling and power is not really comparable to anybody. I agree with those that say he'll probably want to stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Fear the take down? Carwin will get on top af Mir and KO him like everybody else. ... I don't have a dog in this fight, but its gonna be friggin' interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I think it's pretty safe to say Carwin will not be able to dominate Mir on the ground like Lesnar was able to. Lesnar's wrestling and power is not really comparable to anybody. I agree with those that say he'll probably want to stand. Lesnar? What about Cruz? If you want to see someone dominate Mir on the ground and TKO him just watch the Cruz fight. (Or Freeman. Same thing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Lazarus Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Lesnar? What about Cruz? If you want to see someone dominate Mir on the ground and TKO him just watch the Cruz fight. (Or Freeman. Same thing.) Just watched the Cruz fight. Mir was dominated, but I think the cut played a huge factor. After they were separated and the action was restarted Cruz relentlessly attacked the cut over and over again. Mir was cut very badly and you could see him gasping for air with 2:05 left in the round. As for the Ian Freeman fight. Freeman just put on a hell of a performance. That is some of the most vicious G&P I've ever seen. I still don't think Carwin will be able to do that to Mir though, not since Mir has improved his game, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Just watched the Cruz fight. Mir was dominated' date=' but I think the cut played a huge factor. After they were separated and the action was restarted Cruz relentlessly attacked the cut over and over again. Mir was cut very badly and you could see him gasping for air with 2:05 left in the round. As for the Ian Freeman fight. Freeman just put on a hell of a performance. That is some of the most vicious G&P I've ever seen. I still don't think Carwin will be able to do that to Mir though, not since Mir has improved his game, but I could be wrong.[/quote'] I think Carwin makes Freeman look like a midget. At any rate the way to beat Mir is to get on top of him and pound him. He has been beat that way every time - although VEra almost KOed him with a knee. So it wasn;t really GnP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I doubt Mir will be looking for the takedown. He knows Carwin is a better wrestler than he is, so why waste time and energy trying to wrestle Carwin down? It's highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I doubt Mir will be looking for the takedown. He knows Carwin is a better wrestler than he is' date=' so why waste time and energy trying to wrestle Carwin down? It's highly unlikely.[/quote'] ... these are the only (t)ko wins on mirs record & there are viable excuses for both (staphgate & sims sux ) ... I'm not convinced standing w/ carwin is the best option ? Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira TKO (Punches) UFC 92 - The Ultimate 2008 12/27/2008 2 1:54 Win Wes Sims KO (Punches) UFC 46 - Supernatural 1/31/2004 2 4:21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhys_ufc Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Mir is knocking Carwin the **** out on the feet! End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBottery Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Lesnar? What about Cruz? If you want to see someone dominate Mir on the ground and TKO him just watch the Cruz fight. (Or Freeman. Same thing.) The Cruz fight was his first fight coming back from his accident... wtf do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 The Cruz fight was his first fight coming back from his accident... wtf do you expect? ... this kind of speculation sets the stage for lesnar losing after illness/ surgery/ layoff, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 The Cruz fight was his first fight coming back from his accident... wtf do you expect? I don't expect anything out of Mir other than he shows up fat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Mir has the advantage on their feet. Although he shouldn't be getting too confident. Carwin can easily end the fight with a single punch. I doubt this fight will go to the ground. When and if it does, it's because someone is getting finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Carwin is 11-0 with 11 KOs and Mir has the advantage in stand up. The guy has like 2 kos in his whole CAREER. The mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Carwin is 11-0 with 11 KOs and Mir has the advantage in stand up. The guy has like 2 kos in his whole CAREER. The mind boggles. Have you researched Carwin's record? Mir doesn't have many KO's/TKO's because his striking has only recently improved. I see Mir like the heavyweight division's BJ Penn. He has a lot of talent, but he never really had the work ethic. Of course, Mir isn't as talented as Penn is, but I'm sure you guys know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Have you researched Carwin's record? Mir doesn't have many KO's/TKO's because his striking has only recently improved. I see Mir like the heavyweight division's BJ Penn. He has a lot of talent' date=' but he never really had the work ethic. Of course, Mir isn't as talented as Penn is, but I'm sure you guys know what I mean.[/quote'] SO far as I know Carwins record is 11-0 with 11 KOs and Mirs record is a medicore one that features a mere 2 kos. I consider BJ Penn to be the Fedor os the LW division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 SO far as I know Carwins record is 11-0 with 11 KOs Only thing I need to not debate with you anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_r_i_k Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Carwin is 11-0 with 11 KOs and Mir has the advantage in stand up. The guy has like 2 kos in his whole CAREER. The mind boggles. carwin hasnt won all his fights by knockout,thats just the ufc's way of hyping him up just like if you go to the fighters section it has carwin at 6'5 and he's said himself he's only 6'2 he actually has 2 KO's 4 TKO's 5 submissions,one of them due to strikes i think carwin is going to destroy mir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I think so too. Mir can always get lucky, but generally speaking good fighters beat the livig crap out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Mir's BJJ has pretty much always come from his back. He's not a shoot/td artist by any means. Carwin is also a BJJ brown belt so its not like he is clueless when it comes to the submission game. I thought I remembered him saying he was a purple belt but was starting over under a different more decorated BJJ teacher but yeah he has a lot more BJJ experience then Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I thought I remembered him saying he was a purple belt but was starting over under a different more decorated BJJ teacher but yeah he has a lot more BJJ experience then Lesnar. My cat has more BJJ than Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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